Russian Women - Opinions and Advice

[Prosal]

If you are out with one of these young successful, good looking babes and she offers to pay for her own drinks, then sex is probably not on the menu. She just wants to "be friends".

Totally agree. It sends a pretty clear message. Same for alcohol. I tried to explain that to a guy on another board, as he complained that on the four dates he got in Piter, three was girls who "didn't drink". So I tried to explain him that a girl who doesn't drink WITH YOU is not necesserely a girl who doesn't drink. She is just sending the message that she is not available to let herself go for you. A very clear message. Maybe later in the evening this same girl will dance on the bar at Coyote Ugly totally drunk with her friends. .

This reminds me a Russian girl that I've dated this winter. We already had four or five mojitos each. And I perfectly know that when a Russian girl begins to drink, it's that she wants to fuck. It's a VERY positive message that she sends you. But she still tried to "test" me. She looked at me very seriously and said that I was a super nice guy, but that we could only be friends. I knew it was BS. It was a test. If I had answered "ok", I would have appeared like a weakling, a guy who not even able to be forward about what he wants, a guy not worth a adventure. So I just looked at her without a word and smiled in a ironic but indulgent way, to make her feel that what she just said was only total childish BS. And I ordered two other mojitos. One hour later she was in my bed for some 1000 mph rough and dirty sex.

As for paying, you are right, it has been discussed dozens of time. In Russia and out on the town, a man pays for everything, period.

[Jake993]

I have only met two kinds of Slavic women. The young with absolutely nothing and the mature with some kind of depressed husband / boyfriend at home. I never found a single girl with a good job. I only found single girls with the potential for a good job.

Funnily enough, I have met more and more single Russian women lately in their 20's who are becoming more successful in their jobs. But I do concede that it IS still a bit rare. The problem is that these girls are not really all that interested in foreigners from the perspective of what we can do for them. These girls have their own money and their own circle of friends. HOWEVER, when they do date guys like us, they make it pretty clear that they will pay for NOTHING (restaurants, clubs, etc). If you are out with one of these young successful, good looking babes and she offers to pay for her own drinks, then sex is probably not on the menu. She just wants to "be friends".

We discussed this in detail about a year ago and I believe it to be true now even more. The mentality of Russian women is that, even if they are successful and are financially independent, if sex is anywhere in the realm of possibility, then YOU are going to pay for EVERYTHING. It's just the way it is. They spend their money on clothes, hair, nails and makeup to look good for you and you pay for the entertainment. Un-written rule.

Ooops, have I wandered off topic?

[Climaxnow]

Hum, you say that because I just reported about a 36 yo. Ok, fair enough. Admittedly, there is surely many Russian women with good social positions who are in their 30s. That said, I know many moscovite women in the 25/30 yo range (MILFs?) with good jobs, who have an enjoyable life and who travel extensively. And who are available for some hot adventure and romance with a foreigner of same social level who would tick all the boxes. My opinion is that there is thousands over thousands of this target group available in Moscow or Piter. Very available. I could be wrong though. Maybe Jake could confirm or belie.

I have only met two kinds of Slavic women. The young with absolutely nothing and the mature with some kind of depressed husband / boyfriend at home. I never found a single girl with a good job. I only found single girls with the potential for a good job.

[Prosal]

"MILF market" seems like a more accurate term than "higher class women". (smile)

Hum, you say that because I just reported about a 36 yo. Ok, fair enough. Admittedly, there is surely many Russian women with good social positions who are in their 30s. That said, I know many moscovite women in the 25/30 yo range (MILFs?) with good jobs, who have an enjoyable life and who travel extensively. And who are available for some hot adventure and romance with a foreigner of same social level who would tick all the boxes. My opinion is that there is thousands over thousands of this target group available in Moscow or Piter. Very available. I could be wrong though. Maybe Jake could confirm or belie.

[Climaxnow]

Well, as usual YMMV, but from my experience, it's often with the higher class women that I've had the best uninhibited and uncomplicated adventures. They already have access to the best their society has to offer, have no materialistic expectations, and only feel that what the one thing they miss out in life is romance and adventures.

I never talk about "glam" women by the way (and I am not interested in them) , but about women of an above-average social and cultural level, which is different.

"MILF market" seems like a more accurate term than "higher class women". (smile)

[Prosal]

inviting me for a so-called "pyjama party" (ie a booze and wild fuck evening) in her flat. She actually welcomed me in short nightie. And stilettos! (and two bottles of Chardonnais)

By the way, here is what she says about her "desired partner" on her profile.

"I am looking for marriage with a man from 40 up to 55 years old, reliable, serious, kind person who would like to create the family in the future. My name is Evgeniya. Single. I have no children, but I would like to have them very much in the future marriage. I speak fluent English. I am optimistic, kind, romantic, good-tempered, honest, cheerful and reliable. I like nature, walking, traveling, music and cinema. "

Hum. She looks for marriage with a reliable and serious man but she invites a semi-stranger for a pyjama party the next day after the first meeting (first meeting where she got passably drunk). LOL.

Just to say that what a Russian girl writes on their profile must be taken with a grain of salt. (rolleyes)

[Prosal]

It is my personal belief that once EE girls are introduced to these things that your chance as a foreigner becomes almost zero.

Just for the record, for her five days stay in Paris, she rented a super nice 300€/day flat in the heart of Montmartre.

[Prosal]

Well, as usual YMMV, but from my experience, it's often with the higher class women that I've had the best uninhibited and uncomplicated adventures. They already have access to the best their society has to offer, have no materialistic expectations, and only feel that what the one thing they miss out in life is romance and adventures.

I never talk about "glam" women by the way (and I am not interested in them) , but about women of an above-average social and cultural level, which is different.

Just to illustrate. Those "socially above-average" Russian women are not only emotionally starving, but they are also very forward and direct when it comes to sex. They think like men. If they like you, they will fuck you sooner or later, and most often sooner than later. Here is a sms that a 36 yo moscovite sent me the very next day after our first meeting in Paris (which nicely finished by a frenchkiss) , inviting me for a so-called "pyjama party" (ie a booze and wild fuck evening) in her flat. She actually welcomed me in short nightie. And stilettos! (and two bottles of Chardonnais). A tall girl, about 1. 84 m, super good job (something like international sales manager, I didn't understand well) at Merck Moscow.

[Jake993]

I visit Moscow at least once a month for 2-3 days so she accepted the idea of monthly bank transfer of 500$

On my visits she waits at the airport and spend the evenings with me.

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Sounds like a very nice and cost effective arrangement to me!

Well done!

[Zamziv]

6 month ago I met a sweet pie from one of the escort sites.

The first meeting was sweet and GFE so I asked her to meet me again without the agency involvement

I visit Moscow at least once a month for 2-3 days so she accepted the idea of monthly bank transfer of 500$

On my visits she waits at the airport and spend the evenings with me.

Without this arrangement I would spend around 1000$ for 3 nights.

I don't care what she is doing on the rest of the time

[Prosal]

This is where me and you apparently differ in ideology. Prosal, with all due respect, you always talk about high society and glam. It is my personal belief that once EE girls are introduced to these things that your chance as a foreigner becomes almost zero.

Well, as usual YMMV, but from my experience, it's often with the higher class women that I've had the best uninhibited and uncomplicated adventures. They already have access to the best their society has to offer, have no materialistic expectations, and only feel that what the one thing they miss out in life is romance and adventures.

I never talk about "glam" women by the way (and I am not interested in them) , but about women of an above-average social and cultural level, which is different.

[Climaxnow]

I am "relationship building" through my fav dating site with a 27 yo girl from Moscow. 8+ in looks, working as a presenter on a TV channel. What strikes is that a girl of such a social level needs to put a profile on a "east meets west" dating site to find eligible men (that said, after being harassed on the site by dozens of silly sex-weaned turk and italian guys, she has quickly deleted her profile, so now we communicate via FB or sms).

This confirm the fact that there is thousands over thousands fine and genuine Russian women of high social and cultural level who are literally emotionally and sexually starving and who are genuinely seeking for nice adventures / relationships with a refined foreigner of same social level and with some cultural knowledge, and this without any materialistic expectations.

Once more, thanks to the loutish and rude Russian men population.

PS: some might be suspicious about the reality of her profile, but because among others of her Facebook account I can attest that she is "real".

I have always been under the notion that one must find the diamond in the rough when it comes to EE girls. This is where me and you apparently differ in ideology. Prosal, with all due respect, you always talk about high society and glam. It is my personal belief that once EE girls are introduced to these things that your chance as a foreigner becomes almost zero. My luck has always been with catching girls when they are still impressionable and in needy moments of life. When I was in Kiev, I did notice the good looking 40 plus guys with what appeared to be hot village girls and not Kiev high society. Yes I know that I am but a newbie to you in actual EE land but I can only preach what I know to be fact.

[Prosal]

I am "relationship building" through my fav dating site with a 27 yo girl from Moscow. 8+ in looks, working as a presenter on a TV channel. What strikes is that a girl of such a social level needs to put a profile on a "east meets west" dating site to find eligible men (that said, after being harassed on the site by dozens of silly sex-weaned turk and italian guys, she has quickly deleted her profile, so now we communicate via FB or sms).

This confirm the fact that there is thousands over thousands fine and genuine Russian women of high social and cultural level who are literally emotionally and sexually starving and who are genuinely seeking for nice adventures / relationships with a refined foreigner of same social level and with some cultural knowledge, and this without any materialistic expectations.

Once more, thanks to the loutish and rude Russian men population.

PS: some might be suspicious about the reality of her profile, but because among others of her Facebook account I can attest that she is "real".

[Prosal]

I consider myself a pretty clever guy, but I do not always succeed in this endeavour. I am pretty good at picking the right p4p girls in an FKK and so forth, but can not always tell genuine freebies who care for you apart from parasites. I usually can but not always and am always a little suspicious.

What signals do you look for and how do you differentiate? Please let us know.

I simply avoid the "glamurnoe kiso" type (smilie)

http://lurkmore.to/%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B...B8%D1%81%D0%BE

(funny page, worth a google translation)

[Delta Indigo]

I personaly value indulgence over suspicion. Anyway intuition is the monger's best weapon. Every "skilled" monger should be able to say within 30 seconds which girl is a greedy piranha and which is a genuine freebie with no materialistic expectations. Many guys fail miserably at that though.

I consider myself a pretty clever guy, but I do not always succeed in this endeavour. I am pretty good at picking the right p4p girls in an FKK and so forth, but can not always tell genuine freebies who care for you apart from parasites. I usually can but not always and am always a little suspicious.

What signals do you look for and how do you differentiate? Please let us know.