Russian Women - Opinions and Advice

[Doctor_Skank]

I find that russian dyevs are more witty, learned, conversant, interesting and susceptible to be charmed with humor and wit than their ukrainian cousins. That's why on my LL profile I wrote (among other entertaining nonsenses but also, to counterbalance, some russian culture references) as "My Likes" : Бухло, секс и шашлыки (booze, sex and pelminis).

It works quite well particularly with the most cosmopolitan and fun ones from Moscow and SPb.

Why cheating anyway ?

True enough, Russian girls are easier going, more "up-to-date" and open than their Ukrainian sisters in my opinion, especially those based in big cities.

BTW: шашлыки translates better as BBQ. Pelmeni is something different, although equally delicious.

[Prosal]

2) write some things about yourself.

I find that russian dyevs are more witty, learned, conversant, interesting and susceptible to be charmed with humor and wit than their ukrainian cousins. As they are my main target on LL, I've wrote on my profile (among other entertaining nonsenses but also, to counterbalance, some russian culture references) as "My Likes" : Бухло, секс и шашлыки (booze, sex and pelminis).

It works quite well particularly with the most cosmopolitan and fun ones from Moscow and SPb.

Why cheating anyway ?

[Doctor_Skank]

I've personally stopped to prepare travel adventures too well in advance, and use dating sites only when I have travel plans within one month at max (or during a stay).

Exactly. I don't start shopping until max 10-14 days before arrival. It usually works out that I'll have 5-6 good contacts set by touchdown.

If you start too early, 2-3 months before say, you are wasting everybody's time in my opinion... especially your own... unless of course you are "relationship building" on a major scale... however this is bound to lead to disappointment if your only goal is really just 1-2 dates + sex.

[Prosal]

5) visit her/meet her within a relatively short time after starting contact.

Right on the money Doc. It literally *boosts* your position to say that you will be on site shortly, especially for secluded destinations such as Tashkent and surely provincial Russia.

I've personally stopped to prepare travel adventures too well in advance, and use dating sites only when I have travel plans within one month at max (or during a stay).


PS : Bride.ru seems not nearly as good as love.mail.ru and LL but maybe worthwhile though ; is there a search fonction by location (city) when you're a silver member ?

[DJ FourMoney]

I got a couple of requests for info about bride.ru, as I had mentioned that I had gotten laid off the site a couple of times.

Essentially the situation is the same with the dating sites like mamba:

1) post a good (but real) picture
2) write some things about yourself
3) convey the message that you are often in Russia/Ukraine
4) begin a conversation/banter
5) visit her/meet her within a relatively short time after starting contact

For some people points 3 and 5 are difficult, however both will increase your scoring chances tremendously.

For those who really are looking for a serious relationship/marriage and not just sex, points 3 and 5 can be put on hold, as the marriage-oriented girl is probably open to the idea of leaving Russia. That said, many of the girls on bride.ru were also open to a casual relationship. I never promised the girls anything relationship-wise, so this functioned the same way as the dating sites for me. Bride.ru worked mostly as an email communication platform for me, whereas now I prefer the chat oriented sites as communication is faster.

For a more serious approach, the email will work just fine or maybe even better.

One tip for developing serious relationships. I actually learned this from a girl who was writing me. She would ask specific, somewhat provocative questions, like: "If your house was burning down and you could only save one thing, and you had the choice between your cat and an old family photo album with the last portraits of your grandparents, which would you save?"

Interesting way to get into someone's psyche. By the time we actually met, it was like we knew each other. Still took 2 dates to bed her though.

I agree with #3 and #5. I started speaking with the girl from Kiev from Lucky Lovers. She actually contacted me first.... I haven't had such luck since however. No dates, just spent time together, child in tow at all times, finally hit it twice on the 3rd day. She couldn't resist anymore...lol

But it wasn't worth it, she hit me over the head with second thought nonsense.

I'm dead serious about LTR with a EE babe, I think it can be done and on many times cheaper than many people that use agencies. By using this site, the ISG network of information, I can spend less, beat the odds and come out away ahead.

I think I'll join Bride.ru in Dec, because I'm going to try and go back to Europe in March/April, which would give me time to get closer to somebody before I visit.

[Doctor_Skank]

Thanks, Bride.ru in "Going For the Gold" mode is just what the doctor ordered, its hard to believe that many attractive women are out there, waiting to be scooped up.

I got a couple of requests for info about bride.ru, as I had mentioned that I had gotten laid off the site a couple of times.

Essentially the situation is the same with the dating sites like mamba:

1) post a good (but real) picture
2) write some things about yourself
3) convey the message that you are often in Russia/Ukraine
4) begin a conversation/banter
5) visit her/meet her within a relatively short time after starting contact

For some people points 3 and 5 are difficult, however both will increase your scoring chances tremendously.

For those who really are looking for a serious relationship/marriage and not just sex, points 3 and 5 can be put on hold, as the marriage-oriented girl is probably open to the idea of leaving Russia. That said, many of the girls on bride.ru were also open to a casual relationship. I never promised the girls anything relationship-wise, so this functioned the same way as the dating sites for me. Bride.ru worked mostly as an email communication platform for me, whereas now I prefer the chat oriented sites as communication is faster.

For a more serious approach, the email will work just fine or maybe even better.

One tip for developing serious relationships. I actually learned this from a girl who was writing me. She would ask specific, somewhat provocative questions, like: "If your house was burning down and you could only save one thing, and you had the choice between your cat and an old family photo album with the last portraits of your grandparents, which would you save?"

Interesting way to get into someone's psyche. By the time we actually met, it was like we knew each other. Still took 2 dates to bed her though.

[Doctor_Skank]

Thanks, Bride.ru in "Going For the Gold" mode is just what the doctor ordered, its hard to believe that many attractive women are out there, waiting to be scooped up.

Considering paying for it and glad to hear you have had some success with it.

English speaking is somewhat important but not so important that I won't consider somebody with seriously broken English.

I can't bring myself to do Facebook and My Space. I already have a My Space page and hardly use it, update it or visit it. I feel I'm too old to be on My Space, well besides all the music artist from my youth having pages on there....

Elena's cost too much to join for a limited amount of success so I just buy email addresses as needed. I don't think Bride has those options...

Thanks again, you are the man!

Give it a shot.... I don't know if things have changed since I was using the site 2003-2004, but when I was you could set up a profile for free and girls would write you. You could also click on girls and get their email addresses. I got dozens of letters and chose a few I liked to communicate with which were in cities that I could theoretically visit. The girls I actually ended up meeting (many of which I slept with eventually) were genuine and thankfully not ONLY interested in marriage, although they were more the serious type and not just hobby daters like you find on some other sites.

In any case I think it's worth a shot, especially if you are indeed looking for something genuine.

As for Facebook/My Space... I don't have the time and patience for that stuff.

[DJ FourMoney]

For long-distance chat lucky lovers is pretty decent, although I do not use it anymore myself.

I also used to use this site, got laid there a few times:
http://www.bride.ru/
There is some spam and scamming there, but pretty easy to filter out.

Now I use www.love.mail.ru a lot... it's also sometimes called "mamba" on this forum since there are many mirror sites that use the same database.

Also www.dating.ru.

You'll need to learn some Russian to navigate the sites... and knowing even a little bit will help you be successful there... most people are looking for people living in their own city and not looking for long-distance relationships. Also, avoid the super hotties. Their pics are great to slobber all over, but they are looking for local rich guys in most cases. Just my 2 cents.

If you want to stick to English, you might try any of the sites popular in the US like Facebook or Myspace. Russians on there too, although I am certain they get lots of attention.... which is probably why they are there in the first place.Lots of slacker culture in Europe and Asia as well... basically anyplace that has had a stable, secure economy over the last 2-3 decades will inherentely develop a culture of chronic underachieving and boredom. It is a shame that pop culture celebrates it so much and that society supports it.

Thanks, Bride.ru in "Going For the Gold" mode is just what the doctor ordered, its hard to believe that many attractive women are out there, waiting to be scooped up.

Considering paying for it and glad to hear you have had some success with it.

English speaking is somewhat important but not so important that I won't consider somebody with seriously broken English.

I can't bring myself to do Facebook and My Space. I already have a My Space page and hardly use it, update it or visit it. I feel I'm too old to be on My Space, well besides all the music artist from my youth having pages on there....

Elena's cost too much to join for a limited amount of success so I just buy email addresses as needed. I don't think Bride has those options...

Thanks again, you are the man!

[Doctor_Skank]

Dude! That list works everywhere!

NG, essentially, yes. ) As we've often said on this board, in many ways everywhere girls are girls.

It's the details that make things more interesting, and culturally there are of course differences. That's why we have finally gotten our own threads on the subject... in fact, 2 threads.

Cultural differences... for example IMO European women place a big emphasis on intelligence, Chinese women on family or social status and American women on looks, style or coolness. Age and one's own social position in life of course affect these factors, but the validity is essentially the same.

Russians put more emphasis on certain factors than other cultures do, at least in my experience.

For example, as Hecker correctly said awareness of Slavic history, traditions or culture will go a long way with the girls, just as intelligence in general would. This is surprisingly a prominent theme among different social groups in Russia. You'd of course expect it among academics, but not among average girls.

IMO Russian girls put even a stronger emphasis on success than American or European girls do. This is probably something that established itself in the last 20 years and isn't based purely upon greed as one might initially suspect, but rather on security and tradition.

Besides the need for the shiny things that girls want and need in a hyper-capitalist economy, there is the underlining notion that harder times could come again and it is vital to establish oneself in the upper class. Traditionally the upper class ruled the lower classes, who were peasants. It often amazes me the way the upper classes and nouveau riche treat the lower and even middle classes. Again this may change with time, however the traditional second question girls ask "what do you do" isn't ONLY a question to determine how much money you make, but rather to gauge your social position and what you want from life. The first question is of course "where do you live?". For girls who see their future in Moscow and especially those from good or upwardly mobile families, guys who don't live locally or spend a lot of time locally are essentially useless, although you may get lucky as a tourist every once and a while a tickle some girl's fancy as a novelty fuck. Girls from regional cities are more likely to be interested in meeting guys who might get them out of their provincial cities, even though life there has improved considerably in the last 5 years.

But those Russian pics are usually all very hot. So you say those Russian are genuine for the most part?

Are you talking about normal dating sites, i.e. non-pros? On those sites virtually all the pictures are real. I've never met a girl that wasn't the same girl as in her pictures... sometimes better-looking than the pictures, sometimes the same, sometimes slightly worse. It was always the same girl though.

The pro sites are another story.

[Naked Gunz]

Just some thoughts with an invitation for comment and expansion...

Things that do work with Russian girls:

* success
* mystery
* gifts (needn't be big or inappropriately outlandish)
* humor (can be tough to communicate however)
* passion (not only sexual... passion about anything will do)
* jealousy (them jealous of you)
* talent (girls love guys who are good at something)

Things that don't work:

* anger
* violence
* coldness
* stinginess
* indecisiveness
* jealousy (you jealous of them)
* laziness (there is no "slacker" culture in Russia)

Dude! That list works everywhere!

But I do want your advice since I'm gun shy with foreign women approacing online. Since the African internet scam is SO HUGE- You know, using fake pics to try to scam you!

When I get Russian women sending me a shout , I imagine some vodka swilling commie cabbie trying for extra income from me. When it comes to the African pics, it seems the poorer looking women are for the most part real. The high quality, super model pics that come in, I doubt right away.

But those Russian pics are usually all very hot. So you say those Russian are genuine for the most part?

[Jake993]

A local boy might get away with going cheap on his girlfriend a few times if they are both students for example, however a foreigner in Moscow is naturally assumed to be successful and somewhat monied... as most are. Anything less confuses them in a decidedly negative way.

You can say that again. And it's slippery slope too. If you get latched up with a Muscovite girl of good breeding and show her a 1st class time on date #1, things are certainly not going to go on the cheap from there. If these girls are going out with a "pretender" and not a "contender", they will want to find out quickly and drop you before there's any collateral damage.

[Doctor_Skank]

"Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac" - Henry Kissinger

On the other hand, it's a turnoff if you're bragging. Powerful men don't need to brag.

Of course this is bad news if you're a "sanitation engineer", but I don't think many of those types are visiting Moscow in today's economic climate.

Good point.

Bragging is risky, but still you must convey a message of success/power to her.

Of course blatant braggards or braggards that cannot back up their stories in any way will get called out sooner than later... but you must give her clues or signals that you are successful. Pure confidence is the best way to convey that, but being careful to avoid appearing aloof or conceited... which are negative signals.

If you've got good mojo you'll automatically be sending the right signals however.

Another positive aspect is that in most issues you can be very upfront with them. The only thing you absolutely cannot afford to do is appear unmanly or weak. You might get away with emotional weakness at times.. all women like that or can at least respect it... but weakness of character or weakness of drive to succeed are things they won't tolerate more than a few isolated incidents. If she is a quality girl she can get a percievably quality guy (upwardly mobile) elsewhere pretty easily in this economy. When it comes to ladder climbing, looks are secondary to girls, so no amount of charm will help you there.

In a sense foreigners still have certain inherent advantages they can use. Of course not all women will be interested in meeting a foreigner and some even against it, but you'll always find a significant amount that are actually interested, even if initially just out of curiousity. If you play your cards right, this curiousity will get you laid in a very short time. Some girls do still seemingly get turned on by the idea of fucking a foreigner, especially the student type girls or girls working for western or international companies where English is spoken. These girls aren't usually the absolute hotties, but more the 6-8 type. Very fuckable and often beautiful, but not absolutely top drawer. Top drawer expects more from a foreigner than nice words, some presents and some fleeting romance. She expects "perspective" for herself and will hold out to get it as long as she can. Foreigners welcome, but they must bring considerably more to the table than just "fun". If your power and success are faulty or even just a facade, you'll not make the cut. Bagging this category of bird will cost you more time meaning will cost you more coin. There are exceptions to every rule, but that's the way it's shaping up. Thankfully for me, I'm happy with 7-8s, but draw the line at 6s. I also enjoy getting the occassional 9. It does feel better.

There are also disadvantages beyond the language handicap most have or cultural issues, for example there is the disadvantage of expectation. It is actually an opportunity to gain advantage... this expectation combined with curiousity will get your foot in the door... however if you don't meet expectations, you're doubly punished. A local boy might get away with going cheap on his girlfriend a few times if they are both students for example, however a foreigner in Moscow is naturally assumed to be successful and somewhat monied... as most are. Anything less confuses them in a decidedly negative way.

[Hecker]

In my opinion,things that work with russian girls.

1. Intelligence.Awareness about literature,cinema,music,philosophy,they like to discuss.Languages,travel.

2. Psychology.Able to quickly calibrate the girl,understand their needs etc.

3. Money.This is the success element.

Generally the less intelligent the girl,the more value they put on material things.Communism,atheism,slavic character shaped the girls.

No market value of girls in communism.

No morals during atheism.

No restrictions from slavic soul.Freedom.

It comes like this.

[Pizdyets]

Just some thoughts with an invitation for comment and expansion...

Things that do work with Russian girls:

* success
* mystery
* gifts (needn't be big or inappropriately outlandish)
* humor (can be tough to communicate however)
* passion (not only sexual... passion about anything will do)
* jealousy (them jealous of you)
* talent (girls love guys who are good at something)

Things that don't work:

* anger
* violence
* coldness
* stinginess
* indecisiveness
* jealousy (you jealous of them)
* laziness (there is no "slacker" culture in Russia)

"Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac" - Henry Kissinger

On the other hand, it's a turnoff if you're bragging. Powerful men don't need to brag.

Of course this is bad news if you're a "sanitation engineer", but I don't think many of those types are visiting Moscow in today's economic climate.

[Doctor_Skank]

i agree with you on all points.

the only slacker culture is here, canada and the uk.....

the amount of single russian women is crushing. i need to find a good english speaker!

i guess this is the place were we can talk about web sites? i'm still on elena's where a 41 year old has tried to contact me, funny but interesting. lucky lovers, i haven't been on lately. low scam factor is nice, but not quite having the selection i want.

any other sites you peeps can suggest? i just don't want to join any old site...

for long-distance chat lucky lovers is pretty decent, although i do not use it anymore myself.

i also used to use this site, got laid there a few times:
http://www.bride.ru/
there is some spam and scamming there, but pretty easy to filter out.

now i use www.love.mail.ru a lot... it's also sometimes called "mamba" on this forum since there are many mirror sites that use the same database.

also www.dating.ru.

you'll need to learn some russian to navigate the sites... and knowing even a little bit will help you be successful there... most people are looking for people living in their own city and not looking for long-distance relationships. also, avoid the super hotties. their pics are great to slobber all over, but they are looking for local rich guys in most cases. just my 2 cents.

if you want to stick to english, you might try any of the sites popular in the us like facebook or myspace. russians on there too, although i am certain they get lots of attention.... which is probably why they are there in the first place.

the only slacker culture is here, canada and the uk.....

lots of slacker culture in europe and asia as well... basically anyplace that has had a stable, secure economy over the last 2-3 decades will inherentely develop a culture of chronic underachieving and boredom. it is a shame that pop culture celebrates it so much and that society supports it.