El Tijuanense's perspective on Tijuana violence

[El Tijuanense]

I know some first year Spanish students that write better than you do. Fluent is a very subjective statement, and personally, if you can't communicate coherent ideas. Fluency is lacking.

Writing is not the same as speaking it. If you are Mexicano you should know. You can write all the Chinese in the world ,but if you don't speak it or understand regional dialect or slag ESTAS jodido.

Many Chicanos have been blessed with the great opportunity of being biliterate or bicultural. This guy blew his opportunity. His English is weak and his Spanish is worse. Any Mexican professional is going to laugh at his command of the Spanish language, and if it were an interview, show him the door.

I don't work in Mexico. My espanol is just as good as the average Mexicano from the Bajio region. I don't write it to well since I never grew up in Mexico, but I can speak WELL with an accent from Jalisco, Michiocan, San Luis Potosi, Guanajuato know as el accento del BAJIO. KNOWN in Mexico as the most neutral accent in Mexico. NO MEXICAN has ever had trouble understanding what I say, I don't speak with that shitty gringo accent that can't speak a lick of Espanol nor do I speak with that accent that many Chicanos have who also speak MOCHO.

The chicas always tell me that I speak Espanol very well with an accent from EL BAJIO, thats were my parents are from.

[Cobra Comander]

I get laid mostly every day of the month by my GF, AMIGAS (NON zona chicas) but I don't pay for it like you guys. Rarely do I pay for it, I don't need to. I don't look like the typical monger, you know what I men?

I was just wondering cause most people on this website, you know, post reports about it.

Lol,

CC

[Member #4450]

I get laid mostly every day of the month by my GF, AMIGAS (NON zona chicas) but I don't pay for it like you guys. Rarely do I pay for it, I don't need to. I don't look like the typical monger, you know what I men?

Well yes, I'm sure most guys here are getting free pussy by a girlfriend or wife was the point?

Here we are referring to the zona girls, I'm sure most mongers here are not looking for a love relation in TJ, just a good time with no strings attached.

I don't look like the typical monger

What this supposed to mean????

[Pablito Diablito]

I'm fluent in Espanol of Mexcan heritage, so it's easier for the chicas to find a liking, friendlyness, trustworthy with me. They don't see me as a stranger (foriegner).

I know some first year Spanish students that write better than you do. Fluent is a very subjective statement, and personally, if you can't communicate coherent ideas. Fluency is lacking.

Many Chicanos have been blessed with the great opportunity of being biliterate or bicultural. This guy blew his opportunity. His English is weak and his Spanish is worse. Any Mexican professional is going to laugh at his command of the Spanish language, and if it were an interview, show him the door.

[El Tijuanense]

I was reading this and feeling worried, even thinking I should halt all my future trips to Tj, but when I reached the end and read, "El Tijuanense" I just said, "nevermind."

Chino, you don't believe that I know plenty of former working chicas who got married with Tijuana Placas (Cops)?

I'm fluent in Espanol of Mexcan heritage, so it's easier for the chicas to find a liking, friendlyness, trustworthy with me. They don't see me as a stranger (foriegner). -

[El Tijuanense]

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[Efjayel]

I know of 5 former working zona girls married to tijuana and rosarito cops that have left to the interior of mexico because things have gotten so bad for the cops, to many have been assisinted, their heads chopped off, eyes poked out etc. I know chicas in the zona who are close friends to the chicas, I know the chicas to. It's either stay in the frontera and have your family killed or flee to their home towns in the interior. Thats what the chicas and their cop husbands were facing. Thats the realty amigos. Tijuana was safe 4 years ago, it's not anymore, worse with a economic depression hitting tijuana, many kidnap gangs are poping up, robberies are accuring at an alarming rate. Nobody is safe in tijuana, funny how some clowns here think mongers are untouchable. Mongers are seen as trash by tijuana authorities and underground world.

El tijuanense

I was reading this and feeling worried, even thinking I should halt all my future trips to Tj, but when I reached the end and read, "El Tijuanense" I just said, "nevermind."

Erudite, as always! Thanks for the great post.

However, I must take exception to the above. I lived for several years in NE Oklahoma. I can state, unequivocally, that there is no town of Buttfuck in the state. There IS a Hooker, and a Beaver, but no Buttfuck.

There is, it's behind Beaver.

[Phordphan]

No offense taken!! My response was, of course, tongue in cheek. I did, however, live in "Broken Arruh" for a while, so I know what you mean!

And there are, truly some great people there, and some serious hicks. When I lived there it was still technically illegal to buy a drink in a bar, as the whole state was "dry."

[Country John]

Erudite, as always! Thanks for the great post.

However, I must take exception to the above. I lived for several years in NE Oklahoma. I can state, unequivocally, that there is no town of Buttfuck in the state. There IS a Hooker, and a Beaver, but no Buttfuck.

I used to say "Broken Arrow" until one day I was threatened.

The Great State Of Oklahoma is one of the most beautiful places in America, where real Americans live and where real hard work gets done. What a great place. I certainly mean no disrespect and I'm certain everyone knows that. I picked it up in Tulsa while working there for a short time.

Garcia is nothing compared to some of the recent killers locked up in the USA, in fact in reality he is small time, a big fat zero.

Sure, he's a nut case but there are lots of people out there like that. To hold him up as the poster child for all that is wrong in Mexico falls somewhat short of the mark in terms of defining what's really going on here.

Calderon (president of Mexico) has shaken things up and it could take 100 years to fix it. A lot of dirty linen is hanging out on the line here in Mexico but it's long overdue and it will be a long time running. Yes, it's all terrible but at least it's out there. It's no secret that the narcos have a problem with Calderon. Good.

What has happened is that Calderon has awakened a sleeping giant. Drugs and corruption has been the dirty little secret Mexico has been keeping for a long time. Not anymore.

So don't worry too much about it. Don't condemn the place because there is a shake-up going down. The problem was not created by mongers, it will not affect mongers and mongers will not become victims, not anymore than the average everyday walkaway person would be. That's true here and it's true in the USA.

Country John

[Cobra Comander]

Hey El Tijuanense? Do you ever fuck women?


Just wondering?


CC

[Phordphan]

You can't expect things here to be the same as in Buttfuck Oklahoma.

Erudite, as always! Thanks for the great post.

However, I must take exception to the above. I lived for several years in NE Oklahoma. I can state, unequivocally, that there is no town of Buttfuck in the state. There IS a Hooker, and a Beaver, but no Buttfuck.

[Member #4450]

funny how some clowns here think mongers are untouchable. Mongers are seen as trash by tijuana authorities and underground world.

El tijuanense

Wow, what a bunch of crap, sorry pal but mongers are NOT seen as trash liked you stated, it's a way of living in TJ, do you really think TJ is making money from the seniors buying medicine or maybe the sales of coconuts?
Do you have proof? Links newspapers anything that can confirm your claim about "American Mongers been kidnapped, killed or trash like you said, you know what they say in America talk is cheap show the facts, I personally think your making all this up, I've been to TJ for the past 5 years and everything looks the same for the monger, the trash like you said is killing the hunger in TJ without the trash TJ can't survive and that is a fact, why do you think girls from ol over Mexico come to work to TJ? you think is because tijuanenses money?

I'm a latino man and you don't know what your taking about!
Get your facts together and post some real proof where we can read about it.
There's nothing anywhere about mongers or tourist been kidnapped or kill except those involve in some drug deals.
I know Tj as far south San Quintin, every year I go here I speak the language and I never hear what your saying, I don't know why are you trying to scare people, is it to keep them away from TJ why?
Are you some religious organization trying to send the wrong message?

[El Tijuanense]

Tijuanians running around, true, and they might have learned the ways of the chicano, but any Mexican will tell you that these Mexican Americans are not "Mexican."

http://www.mexicanlaws.com/SRE/nationality.htm

MEXICANS BY BIRTH ARE:

“Those born outside Mexican territory of one or both parents that were born in Mexico. “

This means that anyone born in Mexico has Mexican nationality by the simple act of being born in Mexican territory. Anyone who has one or both parents born in Mexico is a Mexican national. There is a simple procedure for verifying this nationality. Anyone born in the U.S. that has at least one Mexican parent has dual nationality in Mexico.

[El Tijuanense]

I know of 5 former working zona girls married to tijuana and rosarito cops that have left to the interior of mexico because things have gotten so bad for the cops, to many have been assisinted, their heads chopped off, eyes poked out etc. I know chicas in the zona who are close friends to the chicas, I know the chicas to. It's either stay in the frontera and have your family killed or flee to their home towns in the interior. Thats what the chicas and their cop husbands were facing. Thats the realty amigos. Tijuana was safe 4 years ago, it's not anymore, worse with a economic depression hitting tijuana, many kidnap gangs are poping up, robberies are accuring at an alarming rate. Nobody is safe in tijuana, funny how some clowns here think mongers are untouchable. Mongers are seen as trash by tijuana authorities and underground world.

El tijuanense

[El Tijuanense]

Teodoro Garcia Simental is believed to run a network of hide-outs where kidnap victims are caged. And he is said to be behind most of Tijuana's gang war bloodshed. Reporting from Tijuana.- He is said to love the ladies, fast horses and dissolving enemies in lye.

Teodoro Garcia Simental is among the best known but least identifiable villains in Mexico's drug war, blamed for a trail of terror across Baja California.

His heavily armed hit men, authorities say, have been leaving the gruesome displays of charred and decapitated bodies across the city, signed with the moniker "Tres Letras, " for the three letters in "Teo. " And authorities believe he runs a network of hide-outs where kidnap victims are held in cages.

Yet thousands of police officers, soldiers, state and federal agents can't seem to find him.

Billboards showing Tijuana's most wanted kidnappers don't include Garcia's image, even though he is believed to be behind most of the gang war that has claimed more than 400 lives here since late September.

"That tells you that you don't want to be the one responsible for putting Teo's picture in public, " said one U. S. Law enforcement source who spoke on condition of anonymity. "There's no future in it. "

The alleged crime boss appears chubby-cheeked and sporting an I'll-fitting tie and coat in his only published photograph, labeled as No. 27 on the FBI's narctip.com website. His photo bears no name, and he is listed as one of several dozen people sought for allegedly using false Mexican police identification in connection with slayings, kidnappings and other crimes.

Many police officers, prosecutors and ordinary citizens go silent when Teo's name is mentioned. What is known about him comes from the secret testimony of captured gunmen, narco-messages left with victims and anonymously written narcocorrido ballads sold at swap meets. "Pay attention, President [Felipe Calderon]. In Tijuana, I rule, " one song boasts. "We'll show you what a real war is like. "

Mexican court documents and interviews with U. S. And Mexican authorities paint a portrait of Garcia as a vengeful crime boss who vows not to go down without a fight.

Garcia is said to be in his mid-30s.- even his date of birth is not known. He reportedly bets big on clandestine horse races at isolated ranches outside Ensenada. He hires people at $400 per week to guard kidnapping victims and to weld together the barrels of caustic chemicals used to dispose of some of his victims, according to documents and interviews. One Mexican law enforcement official said Garcia has killed people at parties, laughing at their stunned reactions.

"Criminals earn respect and credibility with creative killing methods, " said the official, who requested anonymity for reasons of security. "Your status is based on your capacity to commit the most sadistic acts. Burning corpses, using acid, beheading victims. This generation is setting a new standard for savagery. "

Garcia's alleged criminal empire is built largely on kidnappings and extortion, a model for a post-drug-war crime boss who, starved of narcotics profits, resorts to bloodier, homegrown pursuits.

Garcia's bid for power began shortly after Calderon launched his offensive against organized crime groups in December 2006, aiming to destroy the country's drug cartels by shattering their leadership ranks.

"The government's strategy was to break the cartels into smaller, more manageable pieces, " said David Shirk, director of the Trans-Border Institute at the University of San Diego. "But smaller doesn't mean more manageable. It's begetting more violence. And more dangerous organizations, and people like this guy. "

Garcia, whose family is said to be from Sinaloa state, grew up in Tijuana and started out in the Arellano Felix organization as a trusted enforcer, probably in the 1990s, and grew powerful as a lieutenant who helped transform kidnapping into a multimillion-dollar industry.

This year, the head of the cartel, Fernando Sanchez Arellano, a nephew of the founding brothers, tried unsuccessfully to halt the abductions of doctors, businessmen and politically influential figures. Sanchez Arellano apparently was worried that the crime wave, attributed to Garcia, was hampering the cartel's drug-trafficking business, according to U. S. And Mexican authorities.

In April, the renegade lieutenant and the cartel leader split in spectacular fashion; their gangs shot it out on an expressway in eastern Tijuana, leaving 14 dead. Garcia fled to Sinaloa but returned in September to launch all-out war. He is believed to be allied with the Sinaloa cartel, which is led by Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman.

Since then, Tijuana has seen an average of five killings per day, many of them carrying messages boasting that they were the work of Garcia. One victim was found with his face sliced off. Three headless bodies were dumped near a baseball diamond. Two corpses were hung from an overpass. Others have been doused with gasoline and set aflame.

Mexican authorities say Garcia's gunmen shot up a billiard hall, nightclubs, a motorcycle shop and seafood restaurants.

After Sanchez Arellano apparently tried to kill one of Garcia's top gunmen outside a Rosarito Beach taco stand, Garcia's squad retaliated by killing five of Sanchez Arellano's associates and leaving their dismembered bodies in cars outside the same taco stand, law enforcement officials said.

The government, meanwhile, seems helpless to stop the killings. Police officers who have not been lured away to work for Garcia as drivers, lookouts and hit men are paralyzed with fear. Garcia is said to possess a list with every cop's address and phone number. More than one police officer has answered his phone to threats from a man identifying himself as Garcia.

Other times, there is no warning.- as in January, when gunmen surrounded the home of Deputy Police Chief Margarito Salda? A Rivera and opened fire, killing him, his wife and two daughters. Authorities blame Garcia for the slaying.

Officers stationed in Garcia's stronghold in eastern Tijuana put tape over the numbers on their cars and patrol in groups of two or three cruisers. If they see a convoy of Ford F-250s and Cadillac Escalades.- the drug gangs' vehicles of choice, often stolen from California.- they go the other way.

"We're scared, " said one police officer. "There's no way U. S. Cops would work under these conditions. "

The ineffectual response has exposed the disarray of law enforcement's anti-drug efforts in Baja California, where relations between federal and local forces are marked by distrust and there is little sharing of intelligence.

Garcia, who is said to move constantly, and always with armed guards, seems to mock police efforts. One of his lieutenants, Raydel Lopez Uriarte, nicknamed Muletas, or crutches, gives his squad uniforms inscribed with the letters FEM: the Spanish initials for Special Forces of Muletas. The uniform patches feature a skull and crossed crutches, for the death and crippling injuries they leave in their path.

Garcia's alleged tactics have earned him at least one potent enemy.

In October, after a Mexican soldier was killed in a clash in which four gunmen also died, Tijuana's top military commander, Gen. Alfonso Duarte Mugica, mentioned Garcia's name at a news conference, signaling that the alleged crime boss was in his cross hairs.

About three weeks later, hundreds of soldiers and federal agents fanned out across neighborhoods believed to be Garcia's stronghold. For 24 hours, the killings stopped. Then, more than 40 people were slain over three days.

Three were police officers. They had been decapitated along with six other people, whose corpses left no doubt who was responsible: Their bodies, placed head to toe, had been arranged to spell out "3 L. " Tres Letras.

richard. Marosiatlatimes.com

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo... Story? Page=2