2006 Rio de Janeiro Reports

[El Austriaco]

If you ever find yourself in that situation and cannot break free, just make certain you are not in Brasil on June 11 (Namorado Day) or you will experience an explosion about your inadequacies that comes right out of a novela (don't ask me how I know).

Sometimes, I am inclined to believe that most of the novelas and telenovelas were written by current or ex-GDPs... I simply don't know anyone who knows drama as much as they do. To those of you that have spent extensive time with Copa GDPs, have you ever noticed that they have one thing in common? That they just LOVE to watch telenovelas, with all their weird dramas and twists, as well as cartoons? Step into "GF" territory, and that's what you can expect: a starring role as the villain in a non-stop, all-out Brazilian soap opera, peppered with violence and abuse like in a Tom and Jerry cartoon. Don't ask me how I know, either

I would add one qualifier, which EA had in his note but some readers may have overlooked: EA spoke specifically of Copacabana GDPs. The Copa environment is not typical of Brasilian pay for play, because the customer base is both transient and heavily foreigners (ie, rich and easily parted from their money). My experiences in Rio outside Copa, and in other cities (from Salvador to Foz Iguazu), is that GDP behaviors are more conditioned by their Brasilian customer base, which is not (usually) going to have any patience with the "GF" E approach.

Fully agree with that, Appleone, and yes, just to confirm, I was specifically talking about Copacabana GDPs as being the most notorious brand of Brazilian hookers preying on inexperienced tourists. My experience in other parts of Rio and Brazil (Salvador) matches yours. The fight I mentioned on my first night in Brazil, however, actually occurred in 2002 in Salvador da Bahia. I think the likelihood of a Brazilian GDP trying to push you into BF/GF situation depends more on how experienced they consider you in your dealings with GDPs and handling their little daily dramas. Which brings me to yet another recommendation: even if you don't speak any Portuguese, NEVER EVER tell them it's your first time in Brazil or in Copacabana. Tell them you've been there a hundred times, you just suck with foreign languages.

Personally, I prefer to treat everyone well until they conclusively demonstrate they don't deserve it, and see no reason to take a different approach with GDPs.

That's a very good policy that I also stick to when dealing with all types of people anywhere. Nobody has to earn my respect, it's theirs to lose it. Now my trust, that's another story.

Thanks for a great post, Appleone. And thanks for all the thumbs up, guys.

EA

[El Austriaco]

2A2 is on Rua Figueiredo Magalhães, right next to the Copa d'Or Hospital, between an apartment building and a Paixão do Pão bakery, in the Bairro Peixoto area of Copacabana.

Here is what I got off their website:

Boate 2A2
Rua Figueiredo Magalhães, 885/F
Copacabana - Rio de Janeiro

Wednesday and Thursdays starting at 10:00 PM.
Fridays and Saturdays starting at 10:30 PM

Tel: (21) 2235-4821/9948-6284
(Phone calls after 08:30 PM only)

It's on the block between Rua Tenente Marones de Gusmão and Rua Maestro Francisco Braga. Check out the website to see their logo: the same sign is out in front.

If a cabbie has trouble finding it, just tell him to drop you off at the emergency room entrance of the Copa d'Or and walk up the street in the direction of the Botafogo tunnel. I have included a GIF map.

Entrance: R$ 60.00 for couples on Wed/Thu ($50.00 prior to 11:00 PM), R$ 75.00 on Fri/Sat (R$ 60.00 prior to 11:00 PM).
Thursday is the ONLY night they allow singles. Entrace for female singles R$ 40.00 (unlimited access), for male singles R$ 180.00 (limited access, reservations required at 21 2235-4821 Wednesdays/Thursdays with the manager).

http://www.2a2.com.br seems to work for me, but only in Portuguese, not in English. You need to register to have access to some content. Once you do, there are photos of the place as well as of some of the couples.

Never went in, though, so can't provide more details.

EA

[Truant]

Just got off the phone with a long time Help girl. She's one of the R$350-450 holdouts in Help who won't leave the place for less. She says she will not work there anymore because every night there are 300 girls and only 100 guys and all the girls are leaving with men for R$150-R$200. Not worth the entrance fee for her anymore. She has not exited with a guy since April 29th. Been there every night since. She does not like Barbarella. So she is headed for Barcelona with her friend. I chuckled when she said the men just do not want to pay anymore. Maybe this forum is having an affect on the prices men are willing to pay. They are just saying no to expensive pussy. Her comments made me think of the girl standing in the corner at a dance with no date and no prospects. How sad. She just needs to come in line with market forces, I guess. The Real is too strong.

Truant

[The Watcher]

please refrain from quoting entire reports in your post, and then just saying "yes, me too". If you really want to promote a good post, then just post it under the "Reports of Distinction" thread. (which I have done for this one, by the way).

I agree with you with respect to ordinary circumstances. I, however, felt that this report SHOULD be read so I intentionally included the entire report because I thought more people would read the report here than go to another thread under "Reports of Distinction".

Upon further review, I think I should trust my fellow mongers more. I will therefore adopt your advice in the future.

[Java Man]

2a2 in Copacabana and Mistura Certa: Rua 20 de abril, nº13 in Centro. Par ou Impar in Botafogo
i've been only to 2a2, on some nights, single men are allowed in. it's a small club with cramp accomodations. they have a website: www.2a2.com.br, which is not working as i type this. i'll try and get the address for you later.
find a GDP that you like and see if she's game to going to a swing club. if she's into the scene, she may turn you on to some other clubs, as i've heard here are other swing clubs in Barra, Recreio and elsewhere.

Mistura Certa website: www.misturacerta.com.br/
they have theme nights: BDSM, Fetish and swing. also check the websites and the links:
www.fetixe-rio.com.br (i think its associated with Mistura)
http://www.swing.com.br/
http://www.swingprive.com/

[Tiradentes]

Fellows;

I was wondering if any of you has some info to share about swing clubs in Rio, such as:

Name of place
How it functions
Contact info with GDP that will escort your there
Etc..

I've been to swing clubs in both Sao Paulo and Belo Horizonte, and it was a blast.So i am sure Rio must have it own share.

Thanks

[Euro100]

I agree 100% - this should be mandatory reading for newbies (and oldies too)!

@The Watcher, and others, too

I agree with you; EA gives excellent advice in this report:
http://internationalsexguide.info/fo...postcount=1050

But ... please refrain from quoting entire reports in your post, and then just saying "yes, me too". If you really want to promote a good post, then just post it under the "Reports of Distinction" thread. (which I have done for this one, by the way).

Also, sometimes you may want to respond directly to a point made in a post. In this case it is still not necessary to quote the entire post. You can cut out all of the stuff that is not directly needed from inside the QUOTE= and /QUOTE tags.

thanks
euro

[Rio Bob]

make a long story short stay away from at least these two girls and also verify everything agency tells you when girls arrive.

I recently woke up in Rio one morning at 9 AM with the 100 mg of V I took the night before still working its magic, I called riofantasy.com to get someone over to my apt and help me get rid of this thing.

I asked for Luana Becker, the reason was because I knew her friend from months ago and she told me if I ever get a chance to try her out that she is absolutely stunning,

The woman on the phone asks me if I am a regular client of Luana, well I immediately recognize that as a trick question, I ask why? she says because Luana says that she has a regular client on that street, its a trick question because they want to see if they can pull a bait and switch on you, if you know the real Luanna for sure then they can't send the fake one. But I respond no because I never really met her before.

There is a knock on the door, I open it, there is a petite little blond there similar to the pictures but obviously not the same, I ask her are you Luanna? She says of course, I proceed to ask her a series of questions that only luanna would know she fails every one of them, I call the agency and tell the woman this is not the real Luanna, this woman on the phone is now yelling and screaming at me 10 in the morning and she hangs up. The escort's phone now rings they speak a while then she hangs up.

Now I have every right in the world to tell this fake Luanna to leave but now she is talking to me and now she is crying, so Im telling her to calm down, I offer her a drink, she wasn't that bad as a matter of fact she was pretty nice. She wouldn't stop talking about it and crying so I told her lets talk about something else and lets get started.

Turns out after all this Portuguese, she speaks perfect English, went to high school in America and is currently a Med student, ended up a great session with her and she told me nice stories about her and couples that she does husband and wife seems to be her speciality.

All these Escort agencies pull this bait and switch or false picture stuff but I guess we either live with it or go somewhere else.

[Bambino]

El Austriaco,

You speak the truth. And in a damn elegant way!

I'll be putting that note in my wallet.

[Benefit]

Thanks guys,

I sincerely appreciate the information. I went in 2003 with a group of fourteen for Carnival. Got lucky with five girls in six nights. I was fortunate to be with the crew because they knew the ropes and I just tagged along until I got a little comfort zone. This will be a new challenge because there are only four of us going. We are there for two weeks. I really have been researching and am plenty excited. I have my copy of the rules. Thanks again. I will provide progress reports.

[Appleone]

A very good post by EA on the difference between "GFE" and "GF" E. I've certainly seen several gringos being hounded by Copa (and in some case terma) GDPs who were acting out the latter. If you ever find yourself in that situation and cannot break free, just make certain you are not in Brasil on June 11 (Namorado Day) or you will experience an explosion about your inadequacies that comes right out of a novela (don't ask me how I know).

I would add one qualifier, which EA had in his note but some readers may have overlooked: EA spoke specifically of Copacabana GDPs. The Copa environment is not typical of Brasilian pay for play, because the customer base is both transient and heavily foreigners (ie, rich and easily parted from their money). My experiences in Rio outside Copa, and in other cities (from Salvador to Foz Iguazu), is that GDP behaviors are more conditioned by their Brasilian customer base, which is not (usually) going to have any patience with the "GF" E approach. Specifically, picking a territorial fight with another GDP, turning over tables, and other expressions of bad manners will get any GDP that serves the mid market to upscale market quickly blackballed, as the foristas (mongers) talk among themselves just as the GDPs do. My observation has been that the efforts of the GDPs to build repeat business outside Copa are similar to any small businesswoman: lots of personal attention, pleasant conversation and flirting, willingness to talk/email between sessions, but no stepping over the line into girlfriend (vs GFE) territory. Now having said that, I also know of a number of these GDPs who have married former clients, so clearly there is some namorada effect that occasionally comes into play.

Personally, I prefer to treat everyone well until they conclusively demonstrate they don't deserve it, and see no reason to take a different approach with GDPs. They work hard in a competitive service industry, and the successful ones deserve respect for earning their success.

Appleone

[Mangera]

EA, being that I enjoy the company of a lady friend for a couple of days at a time if the chemistry is right, I usually get to a point where I am standing right on that very line.

I have learned to be proactive in dealing with this issue. I think its a matter of timing, and choosing the right moment to deal with it, before its too late, and the snowball effect takes place. For example, when the garota is on the cell chatting will another garota and saying half jokingly(but also a bit serious), how she thinks I am her new boyfriend. As soon as she hangs up, I bring that topic up immediately. Let the chips fall where they may.

Whether she is acting or genuinely interested to be seriously involved, I make it clear that I am not her boyfriend. I think many guys attempt to do this, but they wait to long into the whole thing to deal with it, and then as EA stated, its too late, all hell breaks loose. Newbies or oldies, please learn from experienced mongers such as EA and others that contribute to this board.

Have fun, stay safe, and don't fall in love!

[Mangera]

If you pay upfront, the service will be so horrible, maybe that is punishment enough? Don't be foolish, and be disciplined. If a garota demands $ upfront, show her the door. I was at fault one time for not doing this, cause I was thinking with the wrong head. I will always regret it. Lesson learned.

[Mangera]

An excellent point by Exec.T "Be nice, be a boyfriend, but never and I mean never, pay up front."

[The Watcher]

A while back, I was following the discussion on this board on how to treat the girls with great interest. As a matter of fact, I was thinking about chiming in, but before I could do so, the discussion veered off in another direction, so I refrained. Seems we are back on the topic right now, and everyone appears to be in agreement on the benefits of pampering the girls. I am somewhat amused to see how downright “romantic” this issue is being addressed here, with talk about “care packages” and stuff, considering that, after all, we are talking about hardcore hookers here. So let me play the devil’s advocate here and say something that, IMHO, definitely needs to be said in this matter since it is equally important, if not more so:

Should you treat the girls with respect? Of course, just like you would treat any other human being. Should you treat them well? Definitely, as long as it helps you get the GFE, if you’re looking for that. If treating a girl well get’s you good service, does treating a girl like royalty get you stellar service? No, it doesn’t. It gets you heachaches… and lots of it.

In other words: treat them well, yes. Just make sure you don’t treat them too well.

Let me make one thing very clear here. I see a big difference between a “girlfriend experience” and a “girlfriend” experience. For me, the first one means that during the time you pay a GDP, she treats you (i.e. pretends to act) like an actual GF (e.g. DFK, BBBJ, DATY, among other things that are normally not associated with professional girls in many places), but once time is up, she leaves (and leaves you alone). You will get a “girlfriend” experience, on the other hand, once you or the girl somewhat lose sight of the actual circumstances and somehow start believing that you are, indeed, GF and BF, and start acting like that. In that case, you are most likely in for a very troublesome spell, with different measures of jealousy, possessiveness, and mind games thrown in. To say nothing of vicious fights and other goodies.

As a monger looking for a GFE, IMHO, you would be well advised to not cross over into a “girlfriend” experience. Needless to say, the line between the two is precariously thin.

Monger 3 said.. you treat the girls nice, word spreads that you are “tão legal”. Maybe, maybe not. As Ibiza said, during the off-season, gringos are scarce. Treat a girl too well, and she will cling to you like poison ivy, desperately trying to hang on to her prized meal ticket. Forget about picking other chicks in Copacabana, just forget it. From the very first day, she will fight tooth and nails to stay with you. Every single time I’ve treated a Copacabana GDP really well, this has happened to me, not one single exception. Once she self-declares herself your GF, she will make sure that every other girl in Copacabana knows about it, and she will protect her status with all means at her disposal: lying, cajoling, threatening, fighting. And you might find yourself stuck with her... just like with a regular GF.

Monger 3 also said… the next thing you know, you are banging this girl, her friends, her sister, her cousins, her aunts, her mom, and her daughters if they are old enough. Possibly. Still, it would be insane to do so, because sooner or later, word will go around, and there will be a nasty fight for the meal ticket between two or more of them. Might be interesting to see, at first, until you realize that they are actually fighting for the right to kill you first. There are lots of risky activities you might wanna try in Brazil, but this is not one of them. This is suicidal.

Someone suggested, don't remember who… to get a true GFE, give her a BFE. Hm, I am not sure about that. For me, the reason I pay those girls is that I DON’T have to pretend to be their BF, let alone be a BF (just a nice, respectful monger that treats them right). Treat them with respect and dignity, fine, but this seems like crossing the line. If you´re going to Rio to find one girl and stay with her the whole time, great, but what if you wanna sample a variety of girls without attachments? Treat them too well, and you will have a big headache trying to get rid of them.

The recommendations about small gifts are all cute and dandy as long as and only as long as they get you what you want: a better performance from a GDP. The gifts that are being suggested are all cheap enough to be almost negligible in the overall scheme of things for us. To a GDP, however, they mean a lot, even if its only a few bucks. I’ve seen GDPS engage in fist-fights over one (!) Real in Meia Pataca, I am serious. So those gifts are perfectly suited to make her feel appreciated.

Just be careful that you don’t overdo it and accidentally send the wrong message.

As soon as any of these girls gets to clingy to you and starts hinting that she is anything, anything more than just a GDP providing a GFE, get rid of her. Don’t wait. If you do, things will only go downhill from there. I remember one girl I had only talked to for half an hour, who slapped another girl that just had looked at me in a public restaurant, breaking a few chairs and tables in the process. Needless to say, a huge fight ensued involving the whole place. We both got kicked out of the joint and were told never to return. This was on the very first night I ever went out in Brazil. Just to give you an idea of how jealous and possessive and controlling they get... in a hurry.

I vaguely remember that when I first started reading ISG, back in the 90s, I read something in the archives that has always stuck in my mind. Someone said something like “Every time I fall in love in Rio de Janeiro, I open my wallet and take out this note that I have written to myself. It reads “She is a Copacabana hooker”. I read it over and over again.” This is pure genius, plain and simple. I think everyone should carry a note like that… especially mongers that walk that dangerously fine line of the GFE.

My point is: there is no reason to treat a GDP with anything less than respect. After all, she is a woman, too, who likes to be treated well, like any woman. There are certainly mongers that are disrespectful and outright gross in their treatment of GDPs, and I got a big problem with that. Treat them reasonably well, and you will be rewarded. But I also got a problem with treating them too well, because treating them excessively well also carries risks, just like treating them poorly. By being too nice, you might just end up causing your self a lot of grief.

Of course, the crux of the matter is to determine exactly where the difference between “reasonably well” and “too well” lies for you or for them. I guess you will find out… sooner or later.

In other words: treat them like a GDP that is acting like your girlfriend for a while. You start treating them like your GF, they will start treating you like your BF. With everything that that entails.

EA

I agree 100% - this should be mandatory reading for newbies (and oldies too)!