2006 Rio de Janeiro Reports

[RonnyRon]

Before someone even questions the truth in this statement for a second, let me ask you a question right away: the GPDs you meet in Copacabana, what would they do for a living if they hadn't been born with a pussy they are able to sell? What would they do if they were men? Exactly. They would be doing what their brothers and cousins with the same background are most likely doing: surviving as a criminal or drug dealer. EA

For those of you who have been to Rio before, ever wonder where all the men are? They exist in the shadows, but they are there, which is why you should be always be careful. Try staying up all night and observing from your apartment or hotel window as the night turns to day. You will see them or the girls going home to them. I personally find it very interesting, but most of us never notice it. It is amazing the things you will see. You will see people trying to Survive and beat goes on. With that said, I still enjoy every minute I send in Rio!

RonnyRon

[El Austriaco]

When you consider that many, if not most, of the GDPs who work out of Help and MP are products of the favela and prettified gutter trash, then as such they probably know people in a criminal subculture.

Before someone even questions the truth in this statement for a second, let me ask you a question right away: the GPDs you meet in Copacabana, what would they do for a living if they hadn't been born with a pussy they are able to sell? What would they do if they were men? Exactly. They would be doing what their brothers and cousins with the same background are most likely doing: surviving as a criminal or drug dealer. Or both. And since there is no reason a GDP couldn't be doing everything at the same time, what guaranties do you really have to justify taking one to your place?

Brazilians won't take people they have just met and don't yet trust back to their home. Neither should you.

I do understand, of course, that there are quite a bit of fellow mongers out there who like the TLN experience, and they are in a quandary. Like Lorenzo, I do recommend added security precautions in this case which may be borderline extreme for some. So if you just have to take her to your hotel or apartment, at least never give her your last name, make sure she has no way to find out about your address or phone number back home (be careful with those luggage tags!), use the safe at all times for stuff you can't afford to lose (passport, CCs, valuables, etc.), and make sure there is no way she can slip something into drinks, for example (because in that case, Boa Noite Cinderella will turn into Boa Noite All Your Money and Belongings). Also, the required registration at the hotel front desk should be an additional deterrent (obviously, this does not apply in the case of apartments).

Earlier in my mongering carreer, I was a TLN guy, too. I no longer am, and I can honestly say I am much happer that way, avoiding all the above risks and annoyances. Now, I do girls almost exclusively on site (termas) or in love motels, for peace of mind. And I don't even tell them the hotel I am staying at.

EA

[Bubba Boy]

I just can't agree enough with pretty much all your posts, any new visitor to Rio or to mongering in general should do a search for "The Austrians" posts and take notes. I find myself saving alot of his posts.

[Lorenzo]

Go to a love motel, and only bring things you need, so you're not worried about her stealing stuff and causing a scene in your hotel. If she's too keen to go to your hotel only, beware. Pick your own love motels. Never ever go to her place: if she suggests this, send her on her way right away.

El Austriaco is absolutely right, and I think this is a point that can't be stressed often enough, that you're playing with fire if you bring a GDP back to your apartment. Even if she doesn't steal anything and/or you are smart enough to hide anything she might want to steal anyway, the key point is that once you have brought her back to your place, SHE KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE. When you consider that many, if not most, of the GDPs who work out of Help and MP are products of the favela and prettified gutter trash, then as such they probably know people in a criminal subculture. So, it is not so far fetched that she could come back to your place with a thug boy friend (TBF), coax you into letting her in, then have TBF force his way in and rob you blind and maybe even put your life in danger. Believe me, this has happened, and not just in Rio. There was an item on the Brazil forum quite a while back citing an article in the Brazilian press about just such a thing happening to a German tourist, and the end result was the guy being thrown out of a seventh floor window! So I repeat, never let a GDP know where you live.

I suppose the above doesn't apply if you are staying in a hotel, especially an upscale one, because the hotel management isn't likely to let two people who aren't registered go up to a room. I have made arrangements for termas girls to come to my hotel, but I always meet them in the lobby to be sure that they are alone. And even in a hotel, either never let her out of your sight, or hide anything she could steal. I think more mongers need to be security conscious.

Lorenzo

[El Austriaco]

This happened at LDV recently in Colombia...well she could be testing u..so if u laugh and she does as well...go to step 2.

Funny that you happen to mention LDV (La Dolce Vita, Cartagena, Colombia, for those who don´t know), Carrib. I was there in November 2005, and while the girl I was talking to didn't quote me in USD and had a great sense of humor regarding the whole negotiation, she ended up being very unflexible regarding her rate and wouldn't even budge one Colombian Peso from her initial offer, so ultimately, I said no. As a matter of fact, I wrote about it in a post (http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=1090).

And of course, while I use the negotiating stage to size girls up as potential troublemakers, they do exactly the same with me, or anyone else for that matter. Even innocent enough sounding questions like "Where are you from?", "When did you get here?", "How long are you gonna be around?", "Which hotel are you staying at?" and, especially, "Have you been to Rio before?" provide important clues as to how much you are worth as a client and their potential payoff. Other factors, e.g. your ability to speak Portuguese, how you treat them, and your general demeanor provide the remaining information they need to properly size you up in terms of financial prospects and potential for being a problematic john. Pretty much everything a GDP says to you before the deal is closed has a specific purpose. Treat it just like any other sales pitch. But while they test me all along the way, so do I.

EA

[Carrib]

Although
2) If she makes her offer in USD, send her on her way. A hardcore pro who will treat you as such, most likely... including in bed.EA

This happened at LDV recently in Colombia...well she could be testing u..so if u laugh and she does as well...go to step 2

3) Watch her while negotiating. If she's dead-on set on a specific price and doesn't display any flexibility in the negotiating game or any humor, most likely, the experience will be bad. EA

Very true...

4-6 dead on....

7) Go to a love motel, and only bring things you need, so you're not worried about her stealing stuff and causing a scene in your hotel. If she's too keen to go to your hotel only, beware. Pick your own love motels. Never ever go to her place: if she suggests this, send her on her way right away.EA

I hope this is helpful to avoid problems BEFORE you even agree to take a girl somewhere. Once you're already at your hotel or love motel and she is starting to act up, at the very most, give her R$ 10.00 to catch a cab to go wherever she needs to go. Once. EA

I couldnt agree with u more on the above. Last few trips to rio, I've noticed that more girls using the "I know policia" line. They are getting wise to the fact that most gringoes are scared shit of the police. I normally dont go to help but this past Dec I picked up a help GDP who wanted to break things in the apt because I refused to pay cab fare after what I thought was lousy service...I paid her and she starts screaming in the apt..looked at her in disbelief..so I flashed a 50R and went downstairs w/her "go get a cab and he will give me change" as soon as she was out of the gate I locked it and went upstairs.LOL..watched her from upstairs window for the next 15-20 mins cussing in the street until she got in and went home.

[El Austriaco]

Whether you speak Portuguese or not it has nothing to do with these rip off artists.

True, it doesn't per se, but Portuguese language skills and in-country experience DO play a role in dealing with the potential consequences of a dispute with a GDP. Without such skills and experience, you might be taken for a newbie who can easily be tricked into coming up with some cash at the prospect of having to deal with the police, IMHO.

If you don't speak any Portuguese, the GDP might just start yelling "Policia, Policia" and hope that you are scared enough of the police that you will quickly hand over some cash to simply make her shut up and avoid a scandal. If you do speak Portuguese, you might just wanna say "Sure, go ahead, call the police, and we'll sort it out", and more likely than not, she will just steam off as quickly as she arrived. So in that respect, I think it does matter. Big time.

Although I do not frequent garotas da pista that much any more, when I do, screening GDPs for possible troublemakers and rip-off artists is crucial for me. My policy is to walk at the first sign of trouble.

1) Ask her to make her offer first. If she comes up with a really ridiculous number (like a MP girl asking for R$ 300), send her on her way. There's no point of even negotiating... she just thinks you're stupid. Not a good starting basis for a satisfying experience. In this respect, I fully agree with Ibiza007, who had the following to say:

From my experience, the more I am asked to pay, the worse the service USUALLY is, I know sometimes you get a winner, and some of you guys have great experiences with the high priced girls, but for me, it has usually been the worst service, with the highest prices.

2) If she makes her offer in USD, send her on her way. A hardcore pro who will treat you as such, most likely... including in bed.

3) Watch her while negotiating. If she's dead-on set on a specific price and doesn't display any flexibility in the negotiating game or any humor, most likely, the experience will be bad.

4) Does she display erratic behavior? Any signs of drugs? Get rid of her NOW. Same goes for girls who suggest to buy drugs for you.

5) Offer her a drink. Does she go for the most expensive item on the list and/or suggest you buy drinks for all her friends? Not necessarily a reason for exclusion, but a warning sign for me, nonetheless.

6) About payment, just ask whether she usually gets payment before or afterwards. She tells you "before", she is lying. Goodbye.

7) Go to a love motel, and only bring things you need, so you're not worried about her stealing stuff and causing a scene in your hotel. If she's too keen to go to your hotel only, beware. Pick your own love motels. Never ever go to her place: if she suggests this, send her on her way right away.

I hope this is helpful to avoid problems BEFORE you even agree to take a girl somewhere. Once you're already at your hotel or love motel and she is starting to act up, at the very most, give her R$ 10.00 to catch a cab to go wherever she needs to go. Once.

One thing I've learned in Copacabana: once a GDP becomes convinced that everytime she gives you trouble, you will come up with cash to make her go away, what will you get? You got it: trouble. And more trouble, and more trouble, and even more trouble... and ever more cash, of course, until you finally pull the plug. My recommendation: get rid of a girl at the first sign something is off. Immediately.

Watcher: I mean, if you are willing to shell out R$ 50.00 to R$ 100.00 even at the possibility of trouble, even when you did nothing wrong, how much would you be willing to hand over if she actually shows up with the police with some fabricated story? Not my rationale, just the way a GDP ripoff artist is thinking. Think about it. Don't underestimate them, they are very resourceful and creative.

In other words, it´s a very fine line between sidestepping potential trouble in an intelligent manner and being marked as a sucker and easy victim on the pista.

EA

[Rio Bob]

I take it that you do not speake Portuguese. If you do nothing like that will ever happen.

Wether you speak Portuguese or not it has nothing to do with these rip off artists. Nine times out of ten they will back off and take the money later but the original intention was to rip you off, to take your money, give you a lousy quick service and get out of there rapido. Thats why they ask for the money upfront because they know your not gonna like it but tough luck I have your money. Even if you don't give them the money you can see they still want to do the same thing plus half the time you want them to leave anyway because they are always a problem in one way or another, best to just get rid of them from the get go.

One girl who I held the money from told me normally she doesn't even give a BJ she just uses her bucetta. But she gave me one and told me to consider myself lucky, I bet if she had my money I wouldn't be so lucky, the attitude just turned me off anyway, I was happy to get rid of her.

[The Watcher]

I take it that you do not speake Portuguese. If you do nothing like that will ever happen.

I do speak Portuguese and a bad lay has happened each of the two times in which I paid upfront. I do not believe the bad lays were related to my Portuguese skills but were caused by the simple fact that a woman who asks for money upfront will be a lousy lay.

If you are referring to drama, this has never happened to me but I did see it happen to a good friend of mine who does speak Portuguese. She caused a lot of drama but she didn't get a chance to destroy any property because he went ahead and paid her so that she would leave.

Maybe she would have left without payment from him but it would have taken a lot of time and effort. I believe (and he believed) it is better to pay than waste valuable vacation time negotiating over $100 Reais.

I have another friend who loves drama and he probably would have adopted your position and would have taken the time to reason with the woman. Different strokes for different folks.

[Perkele]

Techinically, you are correct in stating that they have no grounds for demanding anything.

Practically, however, you are completely wrong. If the girl gets mad, she could destroy things in your apartment as well as attack you. Also, she could return with the police and you end up paying far more than 50-100 Reais. For me, paying a little bit of money is worth avoiding a whole lot of drama.

Furthermore, as Rio Bob said and as I can testify from personal experience, even if she agrees to take the money later, you will certainly have a bad experience. For me, paying 50-100 Reais is worth avoiding a bad experience that costs 200 Reais.

I take it that you do not speake Portuguese. If you do nothing like that will ever happen.

[California Guy]

Thanks Lorenzo and El Austriaco,

I have been to Thailand a few times. I found it definitely in the same league as Rio, but a completely different experience. In Thailand, a massage parlor experience is like visiting a harem. Girls are there to please you as courtesans. I have had some mindblowing experiences in Bangkok MP´s. Two girls oiling you up and licking you from head to tow. Exquisite. But I digress.

Of course, thailand is a pain to get to. And obviously the girls are asian. If you are not into them, you´re not into them.

Will try DR and CR. How about eastern europe?

Prague is a great city with amazing women but the p4p scene kind of sucks.

[Mangera]

I will be heading to Rio on May 29th for a 36 day stay. I have been very concerned about the lower value of the dollar, in particular during the last couple of weeks. But the hell with it, I am booked and all is payed for, so there is no choice.

Thanks for sharing the news about Bea. adjusting her prices accordingly( low season, and value of the dollar ), I just hope all of the other gdp's in Rio think the same way. If I were to visit for a week, it would not be such a big deal, just would be a couple of hundred dollars more by the end of the trip, but for a long stay in paradise, one has to be more frugal.

I wonder if escort services and termas will adjust their prices too (wishful thinking). I know Barbarellas won't, they count business tourists or newbies with no idea of the scene. Mangera

[Ibiza007]

yesterday was sunday in rio, and i went to rio sul as the weather here has not been good. not one day of good weather for the beach.

the beach vendors, chairs, food, etc have been out of luck.

i only wish the 20 year olds at rio sul had the same interest as 20 the year olds at helpee, then brazil really would be heaven. the 20 year olds in rio sul act just like anywhere else in the world, they are interested in 20-25 year old guys.

i was taking a walk after dinner and decided to walk down to balcony. this place is a mystery to me. i saw a very beautiful girl sitting at the bar. there were only about 10 girls total at 8:30 pm. this girl was one of the preetiest i have ever seen on ave atlantica. i talked to her for a few minutes and she mentioned barbarella. i knew it would be expensive, but i asked anyway. she popped off with $200 usd,. say what!!!. i never said a word except that i needed to leave now. most of you know balcony is normally much lower than this, much lower. at balcony i have seen prices all over the place.

so i was walking towards along ave atlantica and making small talk with the flow of gdp that walk between mp and balcony. normally i stop, say hello and if interested, ask the price and get a number. and last night, i was walking and stopped to talk to beatiz, she is about 5'0", and very cute, i asked her going rate, and in one second she says r$100 for 2 hours. so in 10 minutes i had gone from r$420 to r$100. i made the right choice. bea was fantastic, and stayed 3 hours.

from my experience, the more i am asked to pay, the worse the service usually is, i know sometimes you get a winner, and some of you guys have great experiences with the high priced girls, but for me, it has usually been the worst service, with the highest prices.

it sounds like some of you find high price winners, but i never have.
medium to lower price usually works better for me.

i saw the post about money up front and agree, that is a bad sign. walk away, and if she changes her mind, do not go with her, as it probably will not be that great. i hav edone it twice and both times it was as stated, they could not wait to leave, afte one pop.

anyway, bea told me that business is really slow, and therefore the prices of the smarter girls will be dropping, some will hold out for higher, but they will be hungry. she said may, june and july will be slow and that she knows she needs to adjust her prices. during carnival, she was asking r$200 for 2 hours, but now the bambinos must eat.

yo can see it along ave atlantica, there are more gdp's than customers and the next few months will be very competitive. if you are here, you certainly can bargain more than usual, just remind her that there are not so many touristas around to pick from. last night mp had maybe 6 girls at 8:00, which is normally a busy time at mp, the few hours before helpee opens. it was dead. the weather had some to do with it, but not all.

so the next few months should be better for bargaining, which is needed with the low dollar.

bea mentioned she is aware of the dollar's low value and has adjusted her rates to reflect this.

[The Watcher]

What?

Don't be a fool. If she asks money upfront you may consider it as a breach of contract and there is no reason to give her anything.

50 - 100 R$ is already considerable amount of money in Brasil. This way the ho's get used to ask upfront and keep doing it to other mongers. Do not feed their bad habits.

If you haven't actually fucked them, they have no grounds demanding anything.

Techinically, you are correct in stating that they have no grounds for demanding anything.

Practically, however, you are completely wrong. If the girl gets mad, she could destroy things in your apartment as well as attack you. Also, she could return with the police and you end up paying far more than 50-100 Reais. For me, paying a little bit of money is worth avoiding a whole lot of drama.

Furthermore, as Rio Bob said and as I can testify from personal experience, even if she agrees to take the money later, you will certainly have a bad experience. For me, paying 50-100 Reais is worth avoiding a bad experience that costs 200 Reais.

[Rio Bob]

Rio Bob - once again, you are 100% correct. After two unfortunate experiences and advice from wiser friends, I long ago adopted your wise policy - if a girl asks for money upfront, I send her immediately home.

I, however, will give her 50 - 100 Reais so that she will leave without causing any drama.

I understand your concern about avoiding drama as just throwing them out certainly can trigger this. Sometimes I'll just say lets take a taxi back to Help together and sometimes they will ask for readmission fee in to Help. Help's admission fee is 32 reais now, about $16, this really is her problem and caused by her bad business practices so it is questionable wether you pay this or not.