2006 Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Catire]

The posts about women in Rio, especially outside of the overtravelled Copacabana scene, are far more interesting and useful. Thanks to those who have shared their "on topic" experiences with us. I will share some of my current experiences in January, when I get there.

keep in mind that the more posts about an undertravelled scene, the bigger likelihood that it will shortly get fucked up. I can cite MANY examples of such.

so be careful what you ask for.

[Rio Bob]

EA,
IMHO,
YES, Barbarella's GDP are "notch or two above any OTHER GDP you can find in Copa".
You said before that a hooker is the same hooker even if you pick her up at Help, Balcony, Termas, Barbarela, street (pista), VM, etc.
Sorry I can't agree that line.

I have been to Barbarella's many many times through the years for only 1 reason because they usually have the top notch girls in the Copa area. Urcarioca I agree with you 100 %. I have had women from Barbarellas that back in the States men much younger than me, better looking than me and much richer than me can only dream of and I have had unbelievable sex with them. Especially during the time when the dollar was strong and fetching around 4 reais, at times I was taking 2 at a time out of there.

I also have been in Help many many times and once in a while you can come across a girl who has the Barbarella qualities which are: Classy look, beautiful figure, pretty face, modelesque. That’s not to say that every girl in Barbarellas is this way but you will find a good percentage of them like this.

Most of the girls in Barbarella are doable; I don't think they let hags work there.

First time I heard of the place I was on line at the Lido motel to register with a cute little monkey I found on an Ave Atlantica cafe. The guy ahead of me on line had this tall leggy blonde like a runway model. I asked him where did he find such a specimen, he told me Barbarellas. Unfortunately even then it was very expensive to play there in the early 80's as it is today with the weak dollar I seldom go there because I feel that today the top quality is a little harder to find and the prices in total are outrageous.

Will you find girls like this in VM, Balcony, Meia Pataca or Centro? Never.

[Mr Spooge]

What are all of these posts about race doing HERE? I love to discuss society, politics, religion, etc., but here it's just cluttering the landscape, reducing the quality of the forum, and here I am making more clutter. Sorry about that.

Do we want to talk about ass or race here? Hmmm, that's a tough one. The posts about women in Rio, especially outside of the overtravelled Copacabana scene, are far more interesting and useful. Thanks to those who have shared their "on topic" experiences with us. I will share some of my current experiences in January, when I get there.

[Combo]

Rosine - good to hear - you're better than me. I don't go above 150R, but I never ask for TLN. I'd rather sleep by myself. Once in a while, there is mutual simpatico and she ends up staying all night (for no extra), but I never suggest it.

I also agree that most of us could "afford" to pay more. Heck, we pay $1000 for a flight down there. But I don't like being a sucker. 150R is a hell of a lot of money for these garotas. I also believe through talking with the girls that they respect a guy more if he has some backbone and bargains firmly (but nicely) with them.

[Rosine]

Glad to hear that. That is what I think and do.

Now if only everybody could think that way.

Though I haven't contributed, I just wanted to say that I pride myself on my strong negotiation skills in all mongering contexts. I always start at R100 and then let them balk at it. Undoubtedly they will, but that's ok. I let them walk, particularly in a place like MP or Help, because I know that if they can jam up a sucker for R200 they will. Most often, however, they don't get that R200 hit and prefer to try to get at least R150 out of a sure thing, someone like me. I usually push them to the absolute limit, knowing I'll take R150, but I let them sweat a little and this needs to be late night, because if you try it early, then they'll try to go, get a pop out of you and head back to Help to reinvest and perhaps catch another dude, but it's worked for me.

Very often I score a R100 babe, though mostly R150, which is still fantastic for a full night/morning romp, but sometimes I come up on R100. It's like everyone has said, this is HUGE money to these chicks and the bargaining power is in the buyer, not sellers. Even in high season this is the case. I don't really buy that the prices are raised by these guys who have no respect for the market, the real market lies in the Brazilian economy. No? Short time, I offer R80 and never go higher than R100.

Otherwise, I'd rather party hard and hit a Terma, but I guess it's all personal preference. Just my two cents on the issue. I mean, even if you have the money, and I do, why spend R200 when you could bag two babes for the same price with a little negotiation? If you find negotiation difficult b/c of age, physical fitness or whatever excuse you can come up with and by the way, those are all excuses, then go the Karla Models or Scortshow route. R100 for two hours, the babes are smoking hot and mostly professional. We're all buying in volume, no?

Sure you can afford it, but I don’t buy a dvd player for $300 when I know I can get one that’s just as good for $150. Nobody does that and neither should rio mongers.

[Zorglub]

With the popularity of this site, there is a should be a simple solution to maintaining price stability in places like Rio. People should simply stick to 150R for TLN (200R w/tip) and 150R or less less for short term...and BE WILLING TO WALK AWAY (which is hard when drunk and packing a woody).

Simple math fellas...minimum wage in Rio is like 380R/mo. A "good" semi-skilled job maybe pays 600-1200R/mo. VM, Cento brothels (and Copa apartment spots in newspapers) routinely offer 30R lays and 100R for 3hrs! Just check out O Dia or O Globo newspapers! This makes paying 300TLN completely nonsensical. Plus, oftentimes, in the papers and in Centro, you'll often find newbie gems...18-20yr olds from the outskirts or other cities trying to make money for a few weeks/months before returning home!

If you have any language skills and a chick thinks you know what you're talking about, she will not fret at 150R TLN even in Rio...especially the mulattas and morenas and during the low season. Claras e Loiras seemingly charge more, but whatever. High season may be a little crazier...

Glad to hear that. That is what I think and do.

Now if only everybody could think that way.

[Catire]

With the popularity of this site, there is a should be a simple solution to maintaining price stability in places like Rio. People should simply stick to 150R for TLN (200R w/tip) and 150R or less less for short term...and BE WILLING TO WALK AWAY (which is hard when drunk and packing a woody).

Simple math fellas...minimum wage in Rio is like 380R/mo. A "good" semi-skilled job maybe pays 600-1200R/mo. VM, Cento brothels (and Copa apartment spots in newspapers) routinely offer 30R lays and 100R for 3hrs! Just check out O Dia or O Globo newspapers! This makes paying 300TLN completely nonsensical. Plus, oftentimes, in the papers and in Centro, you'll often find newbie gems...18-20yr olds from the outskirts or other cities trying to make money for a few weeks/months before returning home!

If you have any language skills and a chick thinks you know what you're talking about, she will not fret at 150R TLN even in Rio...especially the mulattas and morenas and during the low season. Claras e Loiras seemingly charge more, but whatever. High season may be a little crazier...

you are completely correct of course.
and to SOME extent this is already happening.
I had a girl complain to me that before they used to get 250, 300 without a problem. I explained to her that the girls jacked up the prices after a while when the real got very weak and now the table has turned but the girls don't want to lower the prices. She stuck to her guns about how people would pay $100 US or $100 Euro. True, some suckers would.

but in any event, she was bitching that most guys now refuse to pay more than 150.

Which is all good I say. You can thank the brothas for some of that btw. They talk to each other and they know what time it is.

[Combo]

Excellent post Monger3. To put things in perspective, when you compare relative wages in the U.S. to Brasil, giving a garota 300R for a session is like giving a chick in the U.S. $1000 for a session.

[Monger 3]

With the popularity of this site, there is a should be a simple solution to maintaining price stability in places like Rio. People should simply stick to 150R for TLN (200R w/tip) and 150R or less less for short term...and BE WILLING TO WALK AWAY (which is hard when drunk and packing a woody).

Simple math fellas...minimum wage in Rio is like 380R/mo. A "good" semi-skilled job maybe pays 600-1200R/mo. VM, Cento brothels (and Copa apartment spots in newspapers) routinely offer 30R lays and 100R for 3hrs! Just check out O Dia or O Globo newspapers! This makes paying 300TLN completely nonsensical. Plus, oftentimes, in the papers and in Centro, you'll often find newbie gems...18-20yr olds from the outskirts or other cities trying to make money for a few weeks/months before returning home!

If you have any language skills and a chick thinks you know what you're talking about, she will not fret at 150R TLN even in Rio...especially the mulattas and morenas and during the low season. Claras e Loiras seemingly charge more, but whatever. High season may be a little crazier...

[Pipe Layer99]

[QUOTE=MrLowDown]

You beat me to the punch watcher. You are exactly right. When People see me on the street, they think black. In America the definition of black is very vague. If you look black, your black, even if you happen to be hispanic or east indian or something. Strange place we live in.

ML

I agree with you on the part mentioned above. I have mixed friends - some consider themselves white and others consider themselves black. This is based mostly on their skin color and. DD

[Pipe Layer99]

[QUOTE=The Watcher]

I assume the answer is that his paternal grandmother is black and his maternal grandfather is black. If that is true, his father is half black/half white and his mother is half black/half Cherokee Indian; therefore, he is black.

Pretty good response. Especially if the person has black skin. Then I can see it.
However, if the person was born with light skin (white looking caucasian) and has one drop of 'black blood' (as you call it) then that would not make the person black. One drop of blood does not determine who you are.

Either way, I was just curious how a person with a white grandfather could call himself black. I guess if a person was born with dark skin, then OK.


Enjoy. Play safe. DD

[Urcarioca]

So you think Barbarella chicks are a notch or two above anyone else for whatever reason, cool. IMHO, and only insofar as my own, humble, personal opinion is concerned, they aren't. Anyone who doesn't believe me should go there and check it out for himself. Easy as that.

EA

EA,

IMHO,

YES, Barbarella's GDP are "notch or two above any OTHER GDP you can find in Copa".
You said before that a hooker is the same hooker even if you pick her up at Help, Balcony, Termas, Barbarela, street (pista), VM, etc.

Sorry I can't agree that line.

She's a hooker for sure, but that's why most of the mongers are going down here, marvelous Rio, looking for different style of "hookers".

A hooker is looking for your cash for sure, but there's a HUGE difference between them in terms of service, communication, friendship and figure.

Let's say : check it out for yourself and this is not a so bad experience.

[Combo]

I'm a white Rio monger and I see no reason to be 'PC." I've met plenty black
mongers down there and all in all they're pretty much the same as white, asian, etc. mongers. Most are cool, a few jerks. The problem with Rio in the past 5 years is that there are too many of US down there (blame this site!).

Too many guys who can't comprehend that a girl's asking price should not be the final price. Too many guys that think they're big-shots paying 300R or more for a girl. Too many guys that think they'll get better service if they pay more. 300R for a Rio hooker - you've got to be out of your fucking minds.

[El Austriaco]

And, Mr. Lowdown, you are spot-on about Rio violence. Rio, as a whole, makes Detroit and Compton look like Boca Raton and Orange County. The amount of violence in that city really dwarfs anything the happens on the worst streets in America. To think that Rio is a paradise because of what you see in Ipanema and Copacabana is a huge mistake...one that can get a novice monger into a lot of trouble.

If anyone is interested in practicing Portuguese and reading about crime in Rio, bookmark this page: http://noticias.terra.com.br/ultimas/0,,EI316,00.html. At least 3-5 murders a day are reported...who knows what is not reported.

Please note that the above link does not only list crime in the city of Rio de Janeiro, but in the entire State of Rio de Janeiro. Also, if you read a few of the reports, those familiar with Rio's geography and social reality will notice that the vast majority of crime happens far away from any areas any tourist should ever tread and is clearly drug-related. Yes, Rio is bad, but clearly not as bad for tourists as merely referring to Rio's high overall homicide rate would suggest. So buceta-hunting in Rio is not necessarily a life-threatening activity (though it can be).

EA

[El Austriaco]

Urcarioca,

Hey hey hey, don't be so sensitive. I was gonna respond in detail, but honestly, you got me quite confused about what you are actually trying to say. In any case, I appreciate that you devoted not only one, but two rare reports to respond to my post. A full 10% of your post total!

Let's see. On one hand you agree that pretty much all of Copa is pretty much a rip-off, but then again, you glamorize the virtues of Barbarella girls. The Barbarella girls that will charge you, say, R$ 300, plus the R$ 70 entrance fee, plus R$ 70 to take her out, and we are up to what, a rock-solid R$ 440? I know, this includes two drinks, too, so not everything is bad. They better have a B.A. in something and speak a foreign language, really. Because the few of them in Meia Pataca, Help, Veranda Help, Balcony, etc. did not come across as more "cultured", no. The few of them I have met hanging out on Prado Júnior after hours didn't really, either. And as to your percentages of stunners vs. doable vs. dogs in Help vs. Barbarella, I think that this is so highly individual among different mongers that it's pointless to put a percentage on that. Prices, however, speak loud and clear.

That's why I call Barbarella as what I see it: a high-priced joint (which it undoubtedly is) in an already overpriced environement in Copacabana (and you agree!). And pretty much all posts I have read about Barbarella here on ISG seem to agree. So?

The second statement of yours that I criticized, which was "R$ 300 is a good deal if the girl's first offer is R$ 600", you don't elaborate on. Well, so be it.

So it seems we don't disagree all that much after all. Maybe you actually meant it when you called me the "Rio expert" rather than being sarcastic. Well, in that case, thank you, though I don't think that I actually am, just like I have no intention of being a monger teacher. I am just sharing my first-hand experiences just like you purport to do, for what I see it, and how I see it. Though I gotta say, considering all the experience you seem to have under your belt, you sure have been stingy about sharing actual info here. Sorry.

So you think Barbarella chicks are a notch or two above anyone else for whatever reason, cool. IMHO, and only insofar as my own, humble, personal opinion is concerned, they aren't. Anyone who doesn't believe me should go there and check it out for himself. Easy as that.

Needless to say, no flame intended. Nothing but actual info so everyone here can make an educated decision on exactly where to go bunda-hunting.

Um abraço também!

Donnie D, RxHammer:

As you know, of course, this line has been an instant classic since the Sugarhill Gang recorded "Rapper's Delight" back in the 70s. Just wanna give credit where credit is due and, as a "white as they come guy", tip my hat to the many brotha mongers out there in Rio. You guys got it right all along the way.

EA