2007 Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Carlos Primeros]

Gentlemen -

you mentioned that there is a 2 % chance to find a gem amongst the GDPs - I agree. But the art is to find this gem.

I have a LT friend living close to Rio - she is a dentist now and worked "on the side" to pay for her living during the time she went to university.

How did we meet? I wanted a ST-fuck and discovered what a nice personality she has. This envolved into a LT relationship which lasts now since 7 years. She gave up her "side-job" and is now a respected member of society in Niteroi. I am her "namorado" and I stay with here when I am in Brazil - which is approx. 4 - 5 months per year. She is not interested in my money - she is making enough to afford a good life.

This worked out well - but I think that this is the very exception.

Keep up searching for the diamons

Carlos Primeros -
King of Portugal in Exile

[Jesuscola]

Off Road,

I am glad to hear your story, and very pleased to hear that you've found happiness in this type of relationship.

Having said that, the relationship you describe does not sound very passionate. I, personally, would be looking for a much better answer than, "You're a nice person and you treat me well," before I would be willing to support her. Personal choice. IMHO, MOST women know a "nice person who would treat them well" whether or not money is involved.

Again, maybe just me. My feeling, derived from your post, is that you know very well that the foundation of your relationship is primarily financial and everything else comes after the fact. Without the "support" there would really be no relationship, outside of a P4P type arrangement. Please correct me if you feel otherwise.

Whatever the case, you are happy with your situation, and hopefully fully aware of it, and that is what ultimately matters.

Respect,

JC

I hesitate to add an opposing opinion to the recent posts about falling for a GDP. I have twice and do not regret it. There are so many factors.

We all know they do P4P and normally do not get attached. Some of them like the life, use drugs, hang out together, live 4-8 per apartment and this is their life. The two I came to know both were professional, they came to work, earned their money, went home, supported their families. They did not like the work, they wanted out. BUT they still need money. Both never used drugs. One had children, one did not. Both do not want to come to USA to live (neither do I).

I married one of them and was with her for 5 years, she is still my best friend, we talk all the time about everything. She has a regular job now and is not in the life. At times she thinks that it would be easy money, but so far has not gone back to that life, she knows there is no future in it. When we divorced she did not want one penny, nothing.

The one I am with now, I support her, quite a bit. I know what I can afford and that is not an issue for me. I do ask why she stays with me. Her response is that I am a good person, nice to her, I give her security. At times I do feel I am a father figure to both of them, but I can live with that. I provide security for them, and they provide sex for me, and as you all know, there is a lot of that compared to american women. She asks why I stay with her, I my answer is that she is fun to be with, is young, likes sex, likes to talk about life and situations. I know her and all of her family, we go to family outings, etc. So she gets security, I get a nice wife. One other thing to use as a test, is the relationship getting better or worse.. in both my cases, it gets better with time. I could not say that for my marriages in America.

So, have I fallen in love with a GDP, perhaps. I do like the life. My american wife had sex with me like once a year, and at the divorce, what I gave her is a fraction of what I would end up supporting the girl here.

I have no doubt that if I stopped staying with the current girl, she will return to being a GDP, unless we get a business up and running for her, which is her dream. She does not like the GDP life and will talk openlly to me about it. She will help my gringo friends know which GDPs will rob or steal from you or which will be honest and nice (no sex performance rating thogh). Some of you know me and my GF/wife.

All that said. Most of the posts you see about guys sending money, they are mostly true, many just want a guy to come and go away. But if you are here full time, you can find someone to be with, is it Love? that is an age old question. You can wonder about that with an american wife just as well.

I post this once in a while and get a lot of PMs that others do the same but just do not want to get flamed. I like to give some optimisism to some. A good girl can be found and you can be happy with them. As someone said, you do have to know your limits.

So if you think you want to get a permanent relationship I would suggest:
1. Find out if they do drugs.
2.. Ask why they are a GDP, understand their situation.
3.. Learn who they hang out with, talk to other mongers if they know her.
4.. Build trust over time, ask why they are with you, it better be a good answer.
5.. Do not sell your house, investments to support someone, only spend what you can affort.
6.. If you do not support her to what she thinks is adaquate, she will continue to work. They have a very inflated view of what they earn, figure they just multiply their daily rate by 30, that is probably what they will want.
7. Let them know that at times you want other women, just for sex, this is a tough one, but it will work out, especially if you are smart enough to get them to bring up the idea (like when they are tired or menstrating). This does work.

So that is some balance, some will try this and get burned. But no difference than marrage in the USA, except you have a hot brazilian instead of an american princess.

[Ezinho]

I hesitate to add an opposing opinion to the recent posts about falling for a GDP. I have twice and do not regret it. There are so many factors.

First off, I'd like to apologize to this entire thread. It seems it was my original post on where to find Semi Pros/part-time hookers/whomever on the beach that started this discussion. I thought after a few days this topic would die down, but it's still going strong for some reason. I imagine someone who is in Rio right now with a trip report to post must be scratching their head thinking they're in the wrong thread; I never meant to turn the reports section into "Dr. Phil in Brasil".

I think your post was good, Off Road; I'm glad you shared your situation with us and offered a different perspective. Many times, we hear stories about guys falling for GdPs, bringing them back to the U.S. or Europe, and then the relationship eventually falls apart. You're in an unique situation in that you actually LIVE in Brasil and (I assume) speak Portuguese; I believe that is why you have been successful with your GdP girlfriends/wives. In my opinion, if you must fall in love/marry/whatever with a GdP, living there and speaking the language (as fluently as possible) is essential for the relationship to work.

Having said that, I have a question for you, or anyone else that wants to answer this that is on your side (Exec Talent, JesusCola, etc). My question of the day, if you will. You guys don't have to answer this if you don't want to, I'm just genuinely curious:

With all the nice, beautiful, non-pro women in Brasil, why have you decided to be in a relationship with a GdP? Do you find them to be more desirable than regular women? Can you even distinguish between pros and non-pros, or are they all the same to you? So, for you, is meeting a woman in a termas the same as meeting a girl at, say, Sendas, or Rio Sul mall? Also, have you ever dated non-pros, and how was the relationship different than dating a GdP?

Ok, so that's more than one question, but to sum it up: Why are GdPs better than regular Brasilian non-pro women? And before you say "we didn't say that, Ezinho!" I'm just asuming that if you choose to date/marry them, they must be better.

I look forward to the replies.

[Rio Rio]

Dude,

You made some over the top statement about hooker not being able to shower enough to wash the guys off on them. I just said that was over the top and if everyone looks back at the post I still say its over the top. Then you back it up with this chat posting which has it occured to you that girl might have been saying what you wanted to hear. I am sure she would not tell a guy she is doing for free which means she likely has feeling for you that she loves getting banged in the cabine? Asmy point about the girl who left the money No I dont think she liked me I clearly staed I have no idea why she left it thats the point we all have no idea what these girl are thinking and you sure can sum them up in one MSN chat.

I personally dont do the girlfriend thing hell a rarely bang the same chick twice period. Thats why I clearly stated in my first post I was staying out of it. But your first post was clearly way over the top.

Slick is write, Men Come on I can't believe any of you guys cold even think a Gdp likes you. Yeah maybe for that short time when she is with you. But that's about it. Don't get me wrong though they may care about you as a friend, but soon as your money run's out that s it. She will only say Hi and bye. I learned this out real quick. My man slick is write.

[Monger 3]

Gentlemen!
Let me remind you of few points:
1. DO NOT fall in love with a GDP
2. NO matter how much you wish that she's in love with you, that's not the case. Its the content of your WALLET she's after
3. Brasilian GDP's are the BEST actressess in their business
4. Once a ho, always a Ho
5. You can't turn a ho into a girlfriend
There are so many suckers in the game. You'd be surprised how many of these girls have fooled guys into sending money to them.

I will state that there is a small likelihood that the GDP may really be a hard working girl who is in a tough economic bind and is seeking a short-term remedy. I've met GDPs who were secretaries and teachers who have kids and need some extra help. Some turned out to be solid chicas and great LT companions. Hey, maybe some are wifey material...they make up <2% of the GDP population.

That said, most GDPs are NOT these kind of women. Moreover, the small percentage that say they are these kind of women are lying and are really just straight hookers. You may get lucky with an 18yr old newbie who has not yet been turned into a parana by years of selling bunda, but they make up <2% of the GDP population too.

Here's a funny story. I am here in a Northeastern US city, and there are these two Brazilian girls at my local strip club. One from Rio and one from SP. The SP chica is dying to get married and I think is in the US illegally now (overstayed visa) and it all-in GDP. The Rio chick is married to a 50ish guy who picked her up in a Copa 'biote' and saved her a$$, brought her back to the states, etc. He apparently does not know that she 1) strips and 2) still does a lil' programa work as well. I mean, once a GDP man, always a GDP. This chica was saved, and rewards her man by being a stripper and still s*cking other dudes off in the back room of some dinky strip club?

These GDPs get attracted to the fast money, the lifestyle, etc. These girls have friends who've gotten married to Americans, stayed for about 5 years, got divorces and headed straight back home. Even with an airtight pre-nup, your assets are at risk...and with a kid, forget about it! You're toast! Plus alimony...not worth the financial risk in my view...even with a US babe! Why be Captain Save-A-Ho and have half your future weath and assets at risk with some Brazilian hooker (or any chick for that matter). If you can bring her here without marrying her, go right ahead, but marraige is a huge contingent liability at ALL TIMES, and espeically with a former hooker.

Like I've said on this thread before...find yourself a real worker in Brazil who happens to be hot, and that is your potential wife...the cleaning lady, the hotel receptionist, the Lojas Americanas cashier, the barmaid, the tour guide, the language professor....but not your average GDP...fellas c'mon!

[SlickdySlick]

Even though I personally would not do it it is good to hear some of the success stories from you guys. I met girls in Rio who said they really like me and treated me nice but I never gave them a chance cause I am always thinking she is full it or try to run game. I could have been right but then again I might have turned away the woman of my dreams who knows. Like I said you have to judge each and every girl on their own not with a broard grouping paint brush.

Good Luck Guys with your girls!!

[RioFavelaboy]

Gentlemen!

This discussion seems to be as old as the forum.

Let me remind you of few points:

1. DO NOT fall in love with a GDP
2. NO matter how much you wish that she's in love with you, that's not the case. Its the content of your WALLET she's after
3. Brasilian GDP's are the BEST actressess in their business
4. Once a ho, always a Ho
5. You can't turn a ho into a girlfriend

These above points do not rule out that you couldn't treat the girls with respect, but remember EVEN IF GDP RETURNS YOUR MONEY SHE DID IT FOR YOUR MONEY!!!

There are so many suckers in the game. You'd be surprised how many of these girls have fooled guys into sending money to them.

My guy Perkele I'm responding to your post because you are 100% right in you mind to have your opinion and your way of thinking when it comes to GDP'S, I think all of us mongers have rules we follow when dealing with them.

I am not here to force my beliefs about GDP's upon you or anyone else, but when you read the post on this site you can see, that this forum more than likely have quite a few fellows who have for some reason been bitten by the love bug down in Brazil.

Stop and ask yourself hey why do these guys keep falling in love with GDP's come on the proof is in the pudding, you are talking about people here, GDP'S and MONGERS are just humans that have feelings just as OFFROAD is a human who just like any other Monger that has landed in Rio to go there with one mission in mind, to bang as many GDP'S as one can possibly bang in the alotted time he is there. But like all humans in the world someone or something about that one particular women captivates you and like a ton of bicks you are hit.

Dude we can't tell guys going to Brazil or any other country not to fall in love, because if these people listen to you, me or anyone else instead of following their own beliefs and making their own desicions they could be letting the best things in their lives get away from them.

Life is about learning and it's a wonderful class room, we are put here to attend, so if a Monger goes to where ever he goes and falls in love and is used to he's totally broke, that's his choice because he's a grown man and he's got to live with that choice, but if he falls in love and his choice turns out to be the best thing for him so be it.

Guys we worry about what the other guy is doing a little too much, and I'm glad a good friend here didn't listen to me or our other buddies because he's happy with his wife who at one time was a GDP from Brazil, but he's being treated like a king and she's got 10 x the quality of his former american wife who cheated and took him for the maximum amount of money the courts would allow.

Right now I'm here in Rio until Monday, the last 2 days have been with someone I care for and I'll probably spend the rest of my time here with, my guy here says I'm stupid for doing this but I've hit quite a few GDP's since last week, but these woman just does something to me, I've been seeing her her regularly for three years. So do I care what my boy is saying! Hell NO!

So to each his own, would I marry a GDP? I won't say I'm not above it, but is it highly unlikely? Yes! I've learned that guys fall in love with GDP'S because it's what they want, leave them the hell alone and we mongers who are able to live out our fantasies without falling in love, we should enjoy what we are doing and continue to live by the rules of mongering we've set for ourselves.

[Jan 156]

I second that. Great post. I know that newbies need lots of advice so they don't get burned but I'm pleased to see someone else has faith in some Brasilian women. I have so much respect for Brasilians. And I've felt for a while that if I settle down again, I think the odds are it will be with a Brasilian.

[Dutch44]

Hi Off Road,

nice post. I think there is plenty space in this forum for opposing views.

I hesitate to add an opposing opinion to the recent posts about falling for a GDP. I have twice and do not regret it. There are so many factors.

We all know they do P4P and normally do not get attached....etc.

My point is that life is not black and white, but rather an infinite amount of shades of different colors, all blending over.

Therefore any generalization about GDPs or for matter of fact about "us" mongers will show it's limitation somewhere. Yes there are GDPs that lie, cheat or do anything to get money. So it is good to be aware of that. Yet, that does not mean that that is the only possibility. Nice to hear that you had a good experience and shared it with us.

Dutch44

[Exec Talent]

I hesitate to add an opposing opinion to the recent posts about falling for a GDP. I have twice and do not regret it. There are so many factors.

We all know they do P4P and normally do not get attached. Some of them like the life, use drugs, hang out together, live 4-8 per apartment and this is their life. The two I came to know both were professional, they came to work, earned their money, went home, supported their families. They did not like the work, they wanted out. BUT they still need money. Both never used drugs. One had children, one did not. Both do not want to come to USA to live (neither do I).

I married one of them and was with her for 5 years, she is still my best friend, we talk all the time about everything. She has a regular job now and is not in the life. At times she thinks that it would be easy money, but so far has not gone back to that life, she knows there is no future in it. When we divorced she did not want one penny, nothing.

The one I am with now, I support her, quite a bit. I know what I can afford and that is not an issue for me. I do ask why she stays with me. Her response is that I am a good person, nice to her, I give her security. At times I do feel I am a father figure to both of them, but I can live with that. I provide security for them, and they provide sex for me, and as you all know, there is a lot of that compared to american women. She asks why I stay with her, I my answer is that she is fun to be with, is young, likes sex, likes to talk about life and situations. I know her and all of her family, we go to family outings, etc. So she gets security, I get a nice wife. One other thing to use as a test, is the relationship getting better or worse.. in both my cases, it gets better with time. I could not say that for my marriages in America.

So, have I fallen in love with a GDP, perhaps. I do like the life. My american wife had sex with me like once a year, and at the divorce, what I gave her is a fraction of what I would end up supporting the girl here.

I have no doubt that if I stopped staying with the current girl, she will return to being a GDP, unless we get a business up and running for her, which is her dream. She does not like the GDP life and will talk openlly to me about it. She will help my gringo friends know which GDPs will rob or steal from you or which will be honest and nice (no sex performance rating thogh). Some of you know me and my GF/wife.

All that said. Most of the posts you see about guys sending money, they are mostly true, many just want a guy to come and go away. But if you are here full time, you can find someone to be with, is it Love? that is an age old question. You can wonder about that with an american wife just as well.

I post this once in a while and get a lot of PMs that others do the same but just do not want to get flamed. I like to give some optimisism to some. A good girl can be found and you can be happy with them. As someone said, you do have to know your limits.

So if you think you want to get a permanent relationship I would suggest:
1. Find out if they do drugs.
2.. Ask why they are a GDP, understand their situation.
3.. Learn who they hang out with, talk to other mongers if they know her.
4.. Build trust over time, ask why they are with you, it better be a good answer.
5.. Do not sell your house, investments to support someone, only spend what you can affort.
6.. If you do not support her to what she thinks is adaquate, she will continue to work. They have a very inflated view of what they earn, figure they just multiply their daily rate by 30, that is probably what they will want.
7. Let them know that at times you want other women, just for sex, this is a tough one, but it will work out, especially if you are smart enough to get them to bring up the idea (like when they are tired or menstrating). This does work.

So that is some balance, some will try this and get burned. But no difference than marrage in the USA, except you have a hot brazilian instead of an american princess.

The posts here keep getting better and better. Off Road my hat is off to you. Insightful and sage advice. I hope someone puts this in reports of distinction. I am over my limit!

[Jose Lima]

Exec talent: much appreciated.

When I'm down in Rio, I meet so many guys--young guys--who tell me they hate their lives back home, and they work 60 hours per week, just so they can get back to Rio that much sooner. That Rio is what they live for. And those are usually the same guys who will tell you how much these girls just love to fuck.

Now, if that's how you choose to spend your life, that's up to you. But, know what you're actually getting. And look at what you're paying for it. Not just in terms of money, but your time, your dreams, your direction, your life.

And think about putting at least some of that time, dream, energy, into actually improving yourself and your life. This is tougher. You have to be willing to confront your deepest self, your insecurities, your anger, your jealousy, and your fears. You have to be willing to abandon your illusions, about yourself, women, life. But you will find, when you do this, that the same qualities women are actually attracted to--not what they say, but what they really respond to--are the same qualities that will make you more effective in your life overall.

Rio is a vacation from reality. This is a journey into reality.

But you'll find it much more rewarding in the long run. You will have earned a good life, instead of buying an illusion. Your relationships in all of your life will have changed, and for the better.

And you'll still be free to go to Rio and bang hookers. ; ) but you'll know what it's worth. You'll have more choice.

I'm not trying to slam anyone. There's a lot of information--free information, probably more than at any time in history--out there on how to improve your interactions with women. Do a search. The journey is worth it.

Just don't throw your life away on an illusion without knowing what you're really getting.

Okay, I'll quit now.

JC

I really enjoyed this message. Very well said and very truthfull in my opinion and experiances with Brazil and other latin countries.

I printed the message out and will be fowarding to a bunch of my travel buddies.

[Off Road]

I hesitate to add an opposing opinion to the recent posts about falling for a GDP. I have twice and do not regret it. There are so many factors.

We all know they do P4P and normally do not get attached. Some of them like the life, use drugs, hang out together, live 4-8 per apartment and this is their life. The two I came to know both were professional, they came to work, earned their money, went home, supported their families. They did not like the work, they wanted out. BUT they still need money. Both never used drugs. One had children, one did not. Both do not want to come to USA to live (neither do I).

I married one of them and was with her for 5 years, she is still my best friend, we talk all the time about everything. She has a regular job now and is not in the life. At times she thinks that it would be easy money, but so far has not gone back to that life, she knows there is no future in it. When we divorced she did not want one penny, nothing.

The one I am with now, I support her, quite a bit. I know what I can afford and that is not an issue for me. I do ask why she stays with me. Her response is that I am a good person, nice to her, I give her security. At times I do feel I am a father figure to both of them, but I can live with that. I provide security for them, and they provide sex for me, and as you all know, there is a lot of that compared to american women. She asks why I stay with her, I my answer is that she is fun to be with, is young, likes sex, likes to talk about life and situations. I know her and all of her family, we go to family outings, etc. So she gets security, I get a nice wife. One other thing to use as a test, is the relationship getting better or worse.. in both my cases, it gets better with time. I could not say that for my marriages in America.

So, have I fallen in love with a GDP, perhaps. I do like the life. My american wife had sex with me like once a year, and at the divorce, what I gave her is a fraction of what I would end up supporting the girl here.

I have no doubt that if I stopped staying with the current girl, she will return to being a GDP, unless we get a business up and running for her, which is her dream. She does not like the GDP life and will talk openlly to me about it. She will help my gringo friends know which GDPs will rob or steal from you or which will be honest and nice (no sex performance rating thogh). Some of you know me and my GF/wife.

All that said. Most of the posts you see about guys sending money, they are mostly true, many just want a guy to come and go away. But if you are here full time, you can find someone to be with, is it Love? that is an age old question. You can wonder about that with an american wife just as well.

I post this once in a while and get a lot of PMs that others do the same but just do not want to get flamed. I like to give some optimisism to some. A good girl can be found and you can be happy with them. As someone said, you do have to know your limits.

So if you think you want to get a permanent relationship I would suggest:
1. Find out if they do drugs.
2.. Ask why they are a GDP, understand their situation.
3.. Learn who they hang out with, talk to other mongers if they know her.
4.. Build trust over time, ask why they are with you, it better be a good answer.
5.. Do not sell your house, investments to support someone, only spend what you can affort.
6.. If you do not support her to what she thinks is adaquate, she will continue to work. They have a very inflated view of what they earn, figure they just multiply their daily rate by 30, that is probably what they will want.
7. Let them know that at times you want other women, just for sex, this is a tough one, but it will work out, especially if you are smart enough to get them to bring up the idea (like when they are tired or menstrating). This does work.

So that is some balance, some will try this and get burned. But no difference than marrage in the USA, except you have a hot brazilian instead of an american princess.

[SlickdySlick]

Dude,

You made some over the top statement about hooker not being able to shower enough to wash the guys off on them. I just said that was over the top and if everyone looks back at the post I still say its over the top. Then you back it up with this chat posting which has it occured to you that girl might have been saying what you wanted to hear. I am sure she would not tell a guy she is doing for free which means she likely has feeling for you that she loves getting banged in the cabine? Asmy point about the girl who left the money No I dont think she liked me I clearly staed I have no idea why she left it thats the point we all have no idea what these girl are thinking and you sure can sum them up in one MSN chat.

I personally dont do the girlfriend thing hell a rarely bang the same chick twice period. Thats why I clearly stated in my first post I was staying out of it. But your first post was clearly way over the top.

[Perkele]

Gentlemen!

This discussion seems to be as old as the forum.

Let me remind you of few points:

1. DO NOT fall in love with a GDP
2. NO matter how much you wish that she's in love with you, that's not the case. Its the content of your WALLET she's after
3. Brasilian GDP's are the BEST actressess in their business
4. Once a ho, always a Ho
5. You can't turn a ho into a girlfriend

These above points do not rule out that you couldn't treat the girls with respect, but remember EVEN IF GDP RETURNS YOUR MONEY SHE DID IT FOR YOUR MONEY!!!

There are so many suckers in the game. You'd be surprised how many of these girls have fooled guys into sending money to them.

[Mr Enternational]

I had a hooker come from help stayed all night gave R200.00 and she gave it back and left me her phone number and left. I personally have no idea why? Since you are deep into the minds of hookers what do you think?

Could it have been a "buy 10 get 1 free" deal?