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01-24-07 19:10 #132
Nuth
Hi Bob,
Originally Posted by Rio Bob
I am not sure what you mean by older (you are right in that it is slightly older than other nights), but I think on average 23-40 which is fine with me. I usually stick to the 23-28 range and there were plenty to be had. Unfortunately, this time I took sand to the beach (girlfriend), so I was stuck at Nuth. I have had 2 non-pro's there before (on separate occasions of course! ), but there certainly have been occasions when I left empty-handed, though I won't leave with lower than termas quality chicks. Get there early and hang at Shenanigans. The owner is cool and the crowd is some of the best I have seen in Rio. (weds is also a good night at Nuth but check out Guapo Loco next door in Barra that night as well). Overall is order Nuth is good Mon, Sun, Weds, Fri, Sat in my opinion though this may have changed. Baronetti Tues and Thurs.
Melt is younger (18-25) and hit or miss depending on the night. I think Sat is good. Get there earlier (8-9PM) and hang at Devassa beforehand. (next door). I connected once at Melt (not this trip as I was there with a married couple), but have only been there 5 times mostly with a bird in hand.
If you are older than 40, this non-pro scene can be tough. I then recommend going to the mall/beach taking your pick, chatting and asking them out. Have had lots of non-pro success with this!
Thanks for your reports as well. I have definitely used them in the past!
Willie
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01-24-07 14:25 #131Barronitti is in Ipenema Originally Posted by Infamous1
Nuth is in barra right across from barra shopping
Guapo loco is right next door to nuth
The other guapo loco is in leblom next to a popular spot called Bombar
I think melt is on the same block.
The absolut best spot in Rio right now is a place called The Catwalk in barra. Its brand new. It has 2 vip areas downstairs and the entire upstairs in VIP. Only the hottest and coolest people upstairs on a friday night. Fridays are the bests. Its like $R30 to get in downstairs. $R550 miniumal consumption for VIP downstairs. Upstairs its $R125 for guys and $R50 for girls but you can consume most of that. A table upstairs is $R750 mininul consumption but if you give the waiter $R50 he will let you have the table for just what you consume. I have been in the Rio non-pro scence for a long time and this place is one of the best I have been to. Good thing is like Barroneti they take AMEX.Last edited by Jose Lima; 01-24-07 at 14:27. Reason: spellng
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01-24-07 04:39 #130Where are these places located. I'll be going to Rio for the first time Feb. 15. I'm all for Non-Pro action. I'm young, successful, health & workout freak, so I have a good physique. I love the challenge, where are these places located. Are they just places to hang out, clubs, bars, restaurants, what and where are they? Originally Posted by Willie Wonkers
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01-24-07 01:35 #129I do indeed. The girl you look and just go wow, and you know that you will think about her for a loooooooong time if you don't have her, so considering the options, any money will be well spent on her. Originally Posted by Dutch44
Like you, I do scan more for personality than for looks, and in my experience, too, yes, great looks are often not matched in the personality department. Unfortunately, these priorities and the time and effort involved in finding a girl with a great personality sort of make it hard for me sometimes to walk away from a girl I have pre-chosen. But I guess mongers hell-bent on looks sort of go through that, too.
Yeah, Austria is a great country. Great skiing, great musical tradition, great architecture and nature; unfortunately, affordable P4P is usually not one of them. Not like Rio, anyway. And very little Brazilian bunda
EA
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01-24-07 00:41 #128Willie, thanks, I have long really been interested in the non pro scene, but I just can't bring myself to actually do it. The fish in the barrell syndrome always gets me, but this time, I'm going in April, I pledge to do this. If you have any recommendations of legitimate non pro spots to pick up girls at Rio clubs, I'm all for it. Like you, I enjoy the club scene in NYC and Vegas, which are super expensive, top shelf spots like Tao, Tryst and such.. Anything similar to that in Rio? What are the hottest clubs? I'd like to do that kind of Rio at least at night time. Any info you have would be appreciated. Thanks. Originally Posted by Willie Wonkers
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01-23-07 21:09 #127
D44
I just read your reply to EA. That answered the questions I had in mind as well. Well done.
Like I mentioned, I'm glad you had a good time.
Good contribution to the forum also. DD
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01-23-07 21:01 #126
Dutch44
Originally Posted by Dutch44
Good Report. Lots of good info there.
Just one thing I would like to point out and not in a negative way. The girl you gave R300 to for 3 hrs, yes I think you did over pay. Don't know how the negotiation part went, but perhaps you should have negotiated a 'little' bit more. If she was that appealing to you, then may, just maybe, R300 for TLN would be better. This way you can have more in the morning. Just my personal opinion. I am glad you had a great time with her.
One last thing, this was probably not her first time there and she may not have kid. These girls are all full of it. So, gentlemen, just keep your guard up in that respect.
Other than that, I'm glad you had a safe and enjoyable trip. Nice to hear you tried some of everything. Good for you.
Donnie D
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01-23-07 13:41 #125
Help girls
Hi El Austriaco,
Thanks for your reply. By the way, I love Austria, just a pity there are so few Brazilian Garotas there!
I agree with what you say about behavior. This girl starting asking me more but said I did not want to pay that. I agreed (a little too easy indeed) at 300 R$ as it was my last night and really liked her. She was gorgeous. The second Help girl I met later I negotiated down to R$ 150 which I think is a way more acceptable price. I 'scan' a girl at personality more than looks. If a girl is great looking it does not mean her personality is great, on the contrary. However this girl from Bahia felt sincere, she was kind of nervous and really tried to make me enjoy things when we were together. She did not tell me any stories about herself (divorced, son etc.) until at the end of the session when I asked her. She was kind, a little shy, loved to laugh and yes, very sexy. I had to spend my last night with her. (you know the feeling) Originally Posted by El Austriaco
Take care,
Dutch44
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01-23-07 06:03 #124Great report, Dutch44, especially as your first report, I'll definitely make sure to include it in RoD. Originally Posted by Dutch44
Let me quickly comment on your note about the Help girl, though. IMHO, yes, there are definitely veteran hookers and beginners in Help, but to determine which one is what, I ALWAYS entirely disregard whatever story the girl is giving me and base my assessment ENTIRELY on her behavior. The fact that she would ask for R$ 300 (and possibly more? Did you negotiate) for me would be a dead giveaway that this was NOT her first time and not her first week (although girls sure do learn fast when they hit Copacabana... maybe I should tell the conversation I overheard one time in Meia Pataca with two girls coaching their cousin on how to rip gringos). In my opinion, these girls have a very vested monetary interest in telling mongers whatever will get the most bucks out of them... and can you check out their stories without spending a lot of time there? Not really, and if you happen to catch them in a blatant lie, they will have millions of excuses and "you are not from here, you just don't understand how things work", blablabla. It's all a fantasy, a very nice, pleasant fantasy, but a fantasy nonetheless.
But hey, it was only R$ 300, and the most important thing is you had a good time with her. Actually, it's the only thing that matters.
Also, I really hope that the guy who a while ago insisted that it was perfectly safe to walk on Copa beach at midnight reads your story about getting robbed at gunpoint. Well, he said he would never go back, anyway.
Personally, I have read Bwana's Quick Guide to Rio, and compared to what Bubba has put up on this very board (http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...ead.php?t=2191), I'd say Bwana's offers nothing special and might actually be lacking in some areas. But that's just my opinion (and my nod to our very own Bubba here).
Thanks again for a great detailed report, Dutch44!
EA
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01-23-07 02:52 #123Willie, thanks for the report. I have a couple of questions. Monday night at Nuth is when they play retro music, I think the crowd is a little older too, what did you think of Monday night at Nuth? Originally Posted by Willie Wonkers
Also what about Melt? Were you able to connect in these places?
Bob.
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01-22-07 23:44 #122
Rio: a beginners perspective (hints and tips)
Hi everyone,
I have just (january 2007) returned from Rio and spent a full week there, for the third time in 1 year. It is hard not to like or even totally love Rio. The sounds of brazilian portuguese mixed with the sounds of sea waves, the beach, the traffic, the wind. They stick with you. Ipanema and Copacabana are simply among the very best and most beautiful beaches on our planet. The people are generally very kind, the food is cheap, the weather is nice (yes I know it rained a lot lately) and then of course there are. The girls, the garotas. GDPs, almost too many of them.
I started reading this forum over 1 year ago and regularly read the news, the messages, the hints and tips and learned from them. Now, after my third trip to Rio, I feel I am ready to share some of my experiences with you. I am writing this from the perspective of a beginner and am trying to give some tips. I am not a Rio expert, but simply LOVE the place.
My first trips were last year (2006). They were nice enough for me to want to get back there real soon. (except for the time at midnight when I was robbed on Copa beach and three guys stole 21$ from me with a gun pointing to my chest) Anyway that was my own stupid fault. You live, you learn. I guess I missed that part of the messages on this forum :-)
1) Where to stay in Rio (Hotel or Apartment)
This time, january 2007 I decided to rent an apartment and not get a hotel. The hotels are quite expensive (70-100 US$ per day) and sometimes give you some trouble when you want to bring in girls. The advantage is that a girl has to register with her passport, so that is a kind of 'protection' because you know who she is in case something 'bad' happens. In the hotels however I felt less 'free' to do what I wanted when I wanted. So two months before I travelled this time, I found the website of Gringo managment, looked at the apartments on their website (www.gringomanagement.com) and reserved one in Ipanema. The price was US$65 per night. Single room with a nice kingsize bed. (and we DO want that, don't we!). When I arrived, I found that the neighboorhood I was staying in was ideal. It was close to the beach and a taxi ride to Copacabana was just 8 reais.
The apartment was clean, freshly painted and exactly what I needed. It had a bathroom, small kitchen, airco, television, a doorman etc. The service from Gringomanagement was really good, they were responsive to my questions and everything went exactly as agreed. Recommended!
The advantage of staying in an apartment building, I think, is that you can do what you want, when you want, and are still in a somewhat 'protected' area. You are behind a fence and people can not simply walk into your place. The doorman opens the fence for you, or you do it with your own keys. Man, I was happy. I had my own little home and could bring whoever I wanted and be in my own private space. By the way, I like to stay in Ipanema more than Copa. To me it feels safer, and Help and most of the other Copa places are still only 10 reais away (or less) by taxi.
2) Garotas: escort, termas or help?
Rio is actually full of beautiful garotas and there are probably thousands that want (or need) to make money by offering their special services. The average income of a 18-30 year woman in a shop, office or whatever, is around 350-500 reais ( US$ 160 to 230) if she is lucky to find a job at all. When she works in a termas, escort or at help, she may make that in a single day. I found that it really does not matter so much where you find a garota. (escort, etc.) Most of them I found were nice, sexy, young and hot. It is a mtter of taste of course, but I was rarely dissapointed. Speaking some basic portuguese (which I now do, sort of) does help a lot though!
Escort:
My advice to a beginner would be to try out a little of everything and then decide what you like best. I personally think one of the best 'bangs for the buck' are the escorts. You can spend 2 hours with a garota starting at just 100 reais + taxi. (karlamodels, scortshow, ciaplus, company girl). So that works out to about 125 reais during the day. During night (after 8 pm) the price is usually a little higher like, 130-150 reais for 2 hours. Before I went I looked up the telephone numbers of all the websites and picture on the websites, made notes of preferences and printed that out on paper. The first thing I did, two hours after arrival, was to call Karla models (www.karlamodels.net) They are the same company as scort show (www.scortshow.net). I asked for Thamires and she was available. Man, she is a beauty! An 8 to 9 on my personal scale of looks. She was kind and a little shy perhaps. She is a 19 year old morena. We talked a little and then I started off with massaging her, which she really liked. After that the rest followed and I was not dissappointed. So far I have never had a bad experience with the karla or scort agency. You choose the girl, give them your address and telephone number and usually the girl shows up in some 20-30 minutes. That evening I called again and asked for Bebel. She was less 'good looking' but still very sexy. In fact she put out more energy than Thamires and we had great fun. My experience is it seems that the more beautiful the girl is, the less she feels she needs to put out. The more 'average' looking girls are generally more kind, funny and put a lot of energy into the sex. Afterwards I tried Manuela, Juliane and Cintia from CIAPLUS. Manuela was average looking, but she spoke some english and felt like a real GFE. I enjoyed it much with her. She was new at the agency. Cintia was OK. Juliane was a young, nice looking young girl. Worked with the agency for only 4 days! 19 years old, nice personality and she loved my massages. (her busceta got real wet) Next day I asked for her again. I also tried Luiza from Company girl. She was 28 years old, had a nice face, but was too big for me. (overweight). I asked for a girl that could do a good massage, and that she could. Many of the girls at the escort services I was with were quite new, which I liked. They had not yet become 'real professional' at their job and still were spontaneous, almost next door type of girls. Apperently the Escort agencies get in new girls all the time.
Termas:
When you are in Rio you at least have try one or two termas, just for the experience. Termas are generally more expensive than the escort services. Typically you spend between 40 and 70 reais just to get in. Drinks are some 3-10 reais. Spending time with a girl is usually some 160-250 reais, room included, for about an hour. The advantage is however that you can see all the girsl and pick one. The pictures on a escort website may not tell you much or may be photoshopped in order to make a girl look better. I went to centaurus, just to have been there and see the place. Entry was 70 R$. At centaurus the girsl were certainly 'hot', but also 'professional'. I felt most them just wanted to do their thing, quickly and get their money and do the next. Prices at centaurus are high. I only looked around and left after 1 hour. My next experience was 4x4 (quatro por quatro) in Centro. This is quite far away from Copa/Ipanema, but well worth it. The place was packed with girls. (some 70) and there were at that time (7 pm) only some 40 man. I liked the girls there better. Most were as good looking as in centaurus, but nicer, not so pushy. You can talk to them for quite a while before you go to a room. Entry is 40$ and then I choose a standard room for 180 R$ for 1 hour. The girl was called Tatiana, a blond (dyed hair). She was sweet and sexy. Room was OK. The session was good. I have also been at termas aeroporto, but after seeing 4x4 I decided that so far this was my #1. Just a pity you have to travel fairly long to get there. (best is to take the metro) The address is Rua Buenos Aires 44 in Centro. Please read Bwana's quick Guide to Rio for more details. Recommended. You can find the link here: "http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=520901&highlight=bwana#post520901" In 4x4 most of the visitors are brazilian. In centaurus most are non-brazilians.
Help:
On my last night I decided that in spite of the sometimes negative comments on the forum I wanted to go to Help. Best time to get there is around 11h00, sit in front of Help in the cafes, drink a beer and enjoy the sight of the garotas standing outside, waiting for their customers. It is an interesting game that is going on there. The mongers are 'hunting' for the best girl, the girls are hunting for a gringo who is willing to pay the (high) price. I was sometimes wondering, who is hunting who here? Are we their prey or are they our prey?
Just before midnight most people get in, because after midnight the cost goes up from 22 R$ to 32R$. I chatted with a some americans that were visiting and just before midnight we went in together. I have to say that I was impressed. You do NOT want to miss this experience, it is a great Discotheque. Even if you do not take out a girl. The 'atmosphere' was top, a huge hall, nice music (not too loud), great lighting and lots of girls. The thing with Help is that all kinds of girls can be found there. Some of them are regular professionals and others are beginners. When I was there I spotted a gorgeous looking girl called Deborah from Bahia. She turned out to be a 23 year old student and was spending 5 weeks in Rio in order to make some extra money. (divorced with kid and now studying in her first year) She had never 'offered her services' to make money before and this was her first week I believe. We took a taxi from Help to Ipanema (9 R$). When we arrived at the apartment she was a little nervous but soon calmed down after I gave her a nice relaxing massage. We spent 3 hours and I paid her 300 R$. (and YES I know that was WAY too much and I should have negotiated it down more) Anyway, she was the nicest girl I had met so far. I wish her well with her life and was impressed with her dedication to build a future for herself and her son. That was part of the reason I felt OK about the 300 R$. Later that night I decided I did not want to miss any last chance of having some fun during my last night. So went to Help again. (it was now 5 am) Picked a nice mulata girl for 150 R$. (3 hours) However I did make sure I put all my things in my locked suitcase as I did not want my camara to be nicked as happened to me last year with a Help girl. Shit can happen with these girls, taking some precautions is advisable.
Summary:
Make sure you speak some Portugues (try Pimsleur) and you can meet nice girls everywhere. (Escorts, Termas, Help) I did not try Boites, but will next time. Be nice to the girls and treat them with respect but without being a fool as in thinking that they are going to be your next girlfriend. Be careful and stay away from bad places (like copa beach at night). Alternatively you can mate up with other mongers and form a small group. Also realize that what you pay the girls represents a LOT of money to most Brazilians (half a months salary or more) and therefore don't hesitate to negotiate prices down.
If you are a first timer, my guess is that you are going to like Rio a lot, possibly even fall in love with it. (like I did). Just keep in mind that the reality of Rio is not the same as in San Francisco, Paris, Amsterdam, Tokyo or where ever you are from. Read this forum, read Bwana's guide, prepare yourself and after that, most of all, ENJOY it to the max!
Be well,
Dutch44
PS: 1 photos attached of the atmosphere at the beach suring sunset and 1 of Juliane
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01-22-07 20:31 #121
i was actually in sao paulo when that happened. i am not saying that sp is not just as dangerous. what i am saying is that if you are in the nicer areas youwill never see that type of voilance. in rj you can live in the best neighborhoods( barra, ipenema, leblom) and you are no more then 5 blocks from a favela, beggers, and dangerous people. the bad neighborhoods of sp are more centrilized and not rep001tered inbetween rich and middle class people.
if you have ever been to sp you know that if you are in a nice area such as jardins you can not see or hear a favela. there are people with nice cars mercedes bmw ferrari. rua oscar frio would give 5th avenue a run for its money. its like new york man. everything is more and better. rio has help, well sp has 20 helps. rio has 4x4 well sp has 200 4x4's.
listen bud i have lived in rio. in barra with my now wife for almost a year. i made over 25 mongering trips to rio. i loved rio and still do enjoy the beach and some hotels. but if your talking about safe streets, good food, great shopping, and most of all the most and best girls. then your talking about sp. plus most spots are fixed price which takes he bargining out of p4p
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01-22-07 20:13 #120
Rio Review - Jan 2007
Sixteenth time in Brazil in 4 yrs. Been to most states and many remote areas, though mostly stay in Rio. I am somewhat younger so indulge in both the non-pro and pro scene. Prefer upscale places to monger if in Zona Sul (Ipanema, Leblon, Gavea, Barra). Never been to Help/rarely in Copa other than the Termas. L'uomo/Monte Carlo. Also like hanging with the natives at local places outside of Zona-Sul, including the favelas. If you know someone it is not so dangerous. Baile do funke (guys dancing with guns and really hot chick's can be really fun as long as you act cool and blend in). Have stayed in the favelas with some of the pros and non-pro's that I met in Rio, but I look Brazilian and speak fluent Brazilian portuguese. I have a slight preference to morenas with big bundas/corpon, then Loiras. No interest in mulatas. Did 16-20 girls in three states this trip. Lost count! Weather sucked this time. Rained 95% of the time over 3 weeks. New years eve. Black Eyed Peas on Ipanema beach was incredible though, even through the drizzle.
Stuck to the usual haunts this time, termas/messagems in rank order of hotties:
Rio:
Pro:
Centaurus (six girls in 3 visits)
65 (2 girls in 1 visit) - Loira with glasses is one of the hottest I have seen in Brazilian termas
Solarium (4 girls in 2 visits)
Flavia's Massagem - (only 3 girls available at the time I went - 6's & 7's - passed)
Monte Carlo (passed - nothing interesting after one hour)
Madureira train station (3 termas there - occasional hottie - room somewhat dirty - bring your own sheets if you can! - $R65 for 30 min)
Missed VM, L'uomo this time.
Non-pro:
Nuth (Mon)
Baronetti (tues/thurs)
Melt (Sat)
Guapo Loco (tues - Leblon; Weds - Barra)
Castello das Pedras (Sunday night funke dance club - predominantly non-pro's; fun to see them dance like in the termas)
Sao Paolo: visited almost all the massagems in Moema.
Oishii Massagems - 600 Rua Miruna, Moema -($R120 - outstanding value - many hotties - did 2 girls separately)
Francebel ($R200 - mechanical sex with Thais; the place is worth visiting just for the awe factor! - huge and very well done)
CelCenter ($R200 - slightly hotter chicks than Francebel - Thais also)
Love Story (terrible selection!!! - got ripped off by hot amazonian chick)
Missed Bahamas/Bombar this time.
Espirito Santos -
Meipe beach - some of the best non-pro's in Brazil (under 24 looking for men, few tourists - Mais club) -
Didn't do much of the pro scene here though went to White House termas (likely best views of the coastline out of any termas in Brazil) - 7.5 was the best I could find - slightly sleazy as Navy from the Phillipines and other parts of world dock and use the same termas - 60R - 30 min)
Overall this trip - felt that while the women were very attentive - they did not come (i.e get totally into it themselves like I have been used to in the past in Brazil) and felt a little more like pro's and less GFE at the termas/massagems. I must have been unlucky and chosen fairly veteran pro's. The best looking women that I saw were definitely more non-pro's than pro's at places like the airport, malls and some clubs. May focus more on the non-pro's and go pro intermittently when nothing else works out.
As far as the pro-scene goes, the concentration of hotties is higher in the more expensive places like Centaurus and 65 and some of the other termas, so if you are lazy or short on time - just go there. If you want to save $$$$ and have time - spend it looking through VM or the centro massagems. It is a lot like shopping at Neiman Marcus vs. Nordstrom Rack!
Willie
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01-22-07 18:38 #119
SP the Garden of Eden?
Now, be serious. You mean to say that what happened in Rio at the end of last year wouldn't happen in SP? Let me walk down memory lane a bit for you: Originally Posted by Jose Lima
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4771455.stm
Let's see what the BBC had to say: "Overnight, gangs torched buses, targeted banks and maintained their attacks on police patrols and stations."
"On Monday morning, bus terminals and underground stations were closed amid fears of further attacks, making it impossible for many people to get to work. Many worried parents kept their children away from school".
"(...) Brazilian newspapers report that the federal government is eager to send troops to restore order."
Sounds like good old Rio, hm, really bad? But wait a minute, guys, I am not even talking about Rio. This was SP in May 2006, when actually like a 100 people got killed. You know, this was also ordered by drug-lords. Coincidentally, the same ones sitting in the Bangú high-security prision in Zona Oeste.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primeir...ndo_da_Capital
On an interesting side note, that's why the Rio police has been transfering some of the trouble-makers to prisions out of state, to make the coordination of such highly orchestrated attacks more difficult.
You might also want to note that some of the more notorious favelas in Brazil are actually located in Sao Paulo.
EA
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01-22-07 14:36 #118Are you serious??? petty theift. They called in the Army to combat the violance around the city. They torched more then 7 buses while i was there. There are police check points everywhere. The problem with Rio is that every freaking little neighborhood has a damn favela sitting next to it. You cant go anywhere to escape the crime. At least in Sao Paolo you can go about your daily life without seeing the poverty and voilance. It doesnt spill over into the streets of the tourist/wealthy neighborhoods. I also noticed some women in help from SP. Maybye its because there are about 1000 different options in SP and in RIo you have about 4. They more place to go makes the odds better to find a nice chick. Originally Posted by Off Road
I am not trying to scare anyone from Rio, but the crime and violance just gets to close to the normal everyday people.
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