2007 Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Buckwheat]

Someone from this forum gave me an excellent advice a while back on how to take 2 girls to a hotel room, such as Rio Roiss, where only 1 guest is allowed. The advice was to take 1 to the room and then come and get the other. My follow-up question was whether I need to discuss this with hotel reception guy before leaving to get the girls in order not to expect a surprise when 3 of us are back OR this is an existing practice. I would appreciate any advice. I am leaving for a short trip to Rio soon and will stay in a hotel instead of an apartment. Does anyone know any decent hotels (not motels) close to Help that will let me bring 2 girls for an extra charge if I stay in a double room? Thanks.

Wow would you really leave a girl in the room alone? I assume you know her or are we talking about a help girl? I would worry she would be gone and all my shit might be with her. You might try the Aporador in Ipanema (spelling) but I think you will have a hard time getting two in a hotel. Honestly I would stay in a apartment or go to a motel.

[Mr Enternational]

Someone from this forum gave me an excellent advice a while back on how to take 2 girls to a hotel room, such as Rio Roiss, where only 1 guest is allowed. The advice was to take 1 to the room and then come and get the other. My follow-up question was whether I need to discuss this with hotel reception guy before leaving to get the girls in order not to expect a surprise when 3 of us are back OR this is an existing practice. I would appreciate any advice. I am leaving for a short trip to Rio soon and will stay in a hotel instead of an apartment. Does anyone know any decent hotels (not motels) close to Help that will let me bring 2 girls for an extra charge if I stay in a double room? Thanks.

My advice is NOT to stay in a hotel if you plan on mongering. For one, you are going to have to pay extra for a guest. I stayed at the Rio Roiss on Easter last year for 1 day. I arrived from Sao Paulo and my apartment contact did not want to leave the house because it was a holiday. I have a friend who would always stay at the RR so I decided to try it.

I arrived about 7pm and not wanting to pay for 2 days I told the desk guy that I would need a room for 24 hrs (7pm to 7pm) because the flights leave at night. He told me that it would be US$60, but if I wanted to bring a guest I would have to pay some $15 or so extra. That night was really dead in front of Help plus it was raining. I saw a girl there who I had banged at 4x4 a couple of years back and had always promised to call but never called. She stayed that night with me for R$100.

The next day when she left I had a non-pro come over about noon. She brought a friend with her. We all tried to go up to the room together to chill out but the desk guy would not allow it. So we went up and left the friend in the lobby. Later that night when I went to check out, the clerk tried to charge me for 2 nights, when I had previously made the agreement with him for US$60 for 24 hours. I argued with him in Portuguese and he took 1 day off. So I ended up paying about $75 for 24 hours, when if I would have had an apartment I would have only paid $50 and would not have had to hassle with anyone about who can or can't come to my room.

There is virtually no way to sneak someone into your room in a hotel. The elevators are generally right near the desk and the clerk sees everyone who is going in and out. Besides that, any guests that you may want have to sign in and leave their id with the desk clerk.

[Mangera]

I am in the mood to go for a wonderful stroll on the beach with my girlfriend tonight. I think I will wait until the bad guys go to sleep, after midnight. Hopefully I will not be unluky. I will make sure to wash for bad guys. I will report tommorrow.

[Member #4378]

Someone from this forum gave me an excellent advice a while back on how to take 2 girls to a hotel room, such as Rio Roiss, where only 1 guest is allowed. The advice was to take 1 to the room and then come and get the other. My follow-up question was whether I need to discuss this with hotel reception guy before leaving to get the girls in order not to expect a surprise when 3 of us are back OR this is an existing practice. I would appreciate any advice. I am leaving for a short trip to Rio soon and will stay in a hotel instead of an apartment. Does anyone know any decent hotels (not motels) close to Help that will let me bring 2 girls for an extra charge if I stay in a double room? Thanks.

[El Austriaco]

You also seems not to belive me when I say that I found girlfriends in all the othercountryes I mentioned, well I cannot care less. I know it was true and it'sgood for me.

I believe that you had good experiences there. But actually, the way you describe it ("a girl you PAID for one hour and spent days with"), I still don't believe you get the difference between a GF and a GFE, because you still keep calling them GFs. Reread Lorenzo's post.

As to not finding a GFE in Rio at the time of the year you went (high season) and the places you went to, well, I guess that explains a lot.

As to the safety issue, I just rest my case. For your own sake, I guess it´s better you don't go back, really. If you do, just make sure to walk all night on the beach again. Hey, you might not find the elusive Rio GFE, but the Rio favela thug BFE . It might not even be an "experience", it might be real.

Enjoy the London pub crawl.

EA

[Disaster53]

Ok it seems to me that we had problems understanding each other.

For me grilfriend feeling is just that. A girl that even if payed act like my girlfriend, for the night or the few days I choose to spend with her.

If for you, girlfriend is a girl that "partecipate"in the act, and not just sit there waiting for the all thing to be finished, then I had a girlfriend in rio, but for me that was just sex and nothing more.

I can have the same here in london with a one night stand in any pub.

I wanted something more and I belived I could find it in rio but I was wrong and that was what I posted.

In cambodia for example I spent 3 days with a girl that I only payed for an hour, we went eating and dancing togheter and in the hotel room we were not just fucking but also talking and waching tv. That's whatI consider girlfriend feeling.

I did not post about these places because only last year Idiscover this place and since then I only posed about Philippines.

To answer El Austriaco I did visit Barbarella and Cicciolina ecc not to find a girlfriend, I know that I would not find one there and that those places are rip-offs, I learned that 7 years ago in Thailand, (you did not have to tell me this, once again I'm not a novice), I went there to see them because I like to see as much as I can, and to help others on the board I reported what I found, you seems the only one that did not understand it!

Was I lucky to walk on the beach at night? Is rio safe? just because a book say otherwise doesn't make it so.

My experience is that it was safe and in 3 weeks I had not problems.

So I prefer to belive what I saw to what a book or guide say.

You also seems not to belive me when I say that I found girlfriends in all the othercountryes I mentioned, well I cannot care less. I know it was true and it'sgood for me.

Brasil is a close chapter for me since I rarely visit the same country more than once
it was good but I expect better. The end.

[El Austriaco]

First of all I do not understand why I'm being attacted like that like I killed a child!I only wrote my experience and from what I saw rio is not a girlfriend town.

Come on now, nobody is attacking you. People were just expressing their surprise at your unability to find a "GFE" in Rio. Seems like you are one of the few people ever who managed to do that, so people are baffled, to say the least.

Maybe we do not speak the same language, since for girlfriend I intend a girlfriend!not just a girl that let me eat her pussy or do blow job or similar.

So what are you looking for, a girlfriend experience, or a girlfriend? These are not the same things, you know (as Lorenzo explains in great detail below, for example). If you were looking for a girlfriend as opposed to a GDP acting like a GF for a while, when they why are you trying to find them in Frank's or Cicciolina, for crying out lout? You know, the girls there are hookers, and these places are pretty much rip-off joints, so the chances of even finding a GFE from these garotas are slim to none. You never answered my question why you went to those places in the first place, but anyhow.

The fact is that I did not find a girlfriend there but just playing prostitute there. Maybe I was unluky or I do not know what, but I found girlfriends in Cuba, Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, India, but not in Brasil.

Well, you go to Barbarella, Frank's, Cicciolina's, etc. What did you expect to find there, exactly? Regular girls just waiting for a guy like you? Surprise, surprise, you found what's there: prostitutes waiting to play a foreigner, nothing else. You sound like those guys who have fallen prey to the (not so uncommon) notion that they will just go to Brazil and be stormed by regular girls craving sex with them. Like you, they are in for a big surprise: that, without speaking Portuguese and with solid information on where to go, they are most likely going to run into professional hookers only.

So you did better in all these other countries? Good for you. Maybe you wanna share your secrets there: for an experienced world monger, you have written preciously little about how you did it in Cuba or India or Cambodia. Care to share?

As for the fact that I found Rio safe, I say it again I was on the beach (not on the sidewalk, but on the beach) at 1 am in the morning and it was safe, not only once but nearly every night.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt so far, but when it comes to walking on the beach at 1 am in the morning, let me tell you this: forget about the fact you didn't find a GF or even a GFE, just go to church every day thanking God for the amazing trip you had and that you came back sound and safe. Please also pray that he should never ever let you think any more about doing anything as dumb as that.

Apparently, you seem to falling into the logical fallacy of "I did something, nothing happened, so it must have been safe". Let me give you an example: I've hung out into the wee hours of the morning in Copacabana many times, really drunk to the point where I didn't know what I was doing any more, with lots of cash on me, taking pirate cabs home, etc. Did anything happen? No. But would I recommend any of these things as being SAFE in Copacabana? No, I wouldn't. All of these things were incredibly stupid of myself, and bad things could have happened very easily to me, just like they did happen (and keep happening) to people that did or do exactly the same thing as me. And if anything had happened to me, I only would have had myself to blame. You understand?

So in your personal case, the fact that you walked at 1 AM on the beach and nothing happened only means one thing: pure, dumb luck. Nothing more, and nothing else.

You don't believe me, fine. Please find me one, just one, publication anywhere that states that walking on the beach at night in Rio is safe. A guide book, safety recommendation by a hotel, by the Rio tourist board, the tourist police. Anything.

Was I lucky? Maybe, but for 3 weeks in 3 different city I had no problems whatsoever!

Early in 2006, I remember reading a guy here on ISG whose garota ran out of blow and they entered a favela in Rio together in search of drugs. Now, that might have been even luckier (and more stupid) than you, but not by much. And at least, he wasn't recommending it afterwards as a "safe" activity.

EA

[Lorenzo]

The fact is that I did not find a girlfriend there but just playing prostitute there.
Maybe I was unluky or I do not know what, but I found girlfriends in Cuba, Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, India, but not in Brasil.

As for the fact that I found Rio safe, I say it again I was on the beach (not on the sidewalk, but on the beach) at 1 am in the morning and it was safe, not only once but nearly every night.

It seems to me that we are dealing with a fundamental problem in communication, probably exacerbated by language difficulties (since Disaster53 appears not to be a native speaker of English), with respect to exactly what constitutes a GFE. A GFE most emphatically does NOT mean that the GDP will become your girlfriend. It means that the sexual encounter with her, during the time that you are paying her for sex, will be like a sexual encounter with a GF. This means that she will show some enthusiasm and gusto for having sex with you, that she will try to please you, and that she will at least act like someone who loves you would. The sex will not be rote and mechanical as it often is with a prostitute. This means at a minimum that she will engage in DFK, BBBJ, and DATY. It doesn't necessarily mean that she will engage in anal, because many GFs won't do that, although she may. IT also doesn't mean that she will offer BBFS, because many GFs won't do that either, and most mongers don't want that anyway. And it also means that after the sexual act has been completed she will engage in some degree of afterplay with you and not make a beeline for the door. Maybe I've missed a few things, but to my mind that is what constitutes a GFE.

It is also possible that a GDP may act like your girlfriend after the sexual encounter and want to hang with you, but this is not essential to a GFE. In fact, IMHO that is best avoided unless you want to open a can of worms. This doesn't mean that you can't arrange future sexual encounters with her, or arrange for her to travel with her, but it should always be clear that the meetings are for sex and perhaps a degree of companionship.

As far as walking on the beach at 1am, let's just say that you were extremely lucky. Rather than adopt an arrogant attitude that the beaches are perfectly safe at night, when almost everyone else thinks otherwise, I suggest you defer to the knowledge of more experienced Rio mongers and acknowledge that the beaches, and even the streets, can be very dangerous. Otherwise you may not be so lucky next time.

Lorenzo

[Disaster53]

First of all I do not understand why I'm being attacted like that like I killed a child!
I only wrote my experience and from what I saw rio is not a girlfriend town.

Maybe we do not speak the same language, since for girlfriend I intend a girlfriend!
not just a girl that let me eat her pussy or do blow job or similar.

Let me say that I've been traveling the word for pussy for the last 7 years and I'm not a novice, I know how to treat a girl and I never treat a prostitute like a prostitute.

I always spend at least half an hour in forplay (I prefer it to sex!!!) and a few minutes or more in small talks (it dipend of her knowledge of english), and I never hit on the 10's (normally), I do wash myself and I'm not fat, or bold or nothing.

The fact is that I did not find a girlfriend there but just playing prostitute there.
Maybe I was unluky or I do not know what, but I found girlfriends in Cuba, Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, India, but not in Brasil.

As for the fact that I found Rio safe, I say it again I was on the beach (not on the sidewalk, but on the beach) at 1 am in the morning and it was safe, not only once but nearly every night.

If you go on the beach with a rolex and a camera and you are dress like a millioner of course you get mugged but that happen even in New York!

Was I lucky? Maybe, but for 3 weeks in 3 different city I had no problems whatsoever!

[Off Road]

I was at Meia Pataca until about 10pm last night. Probably 30 guys and a handful of working girls, a few families. It just seems that the gals are elsewhere for the time being.

[Full Throttle]

Went downtown today hoping that things would be open but relatively quiet after the New Year. Boy, was I wrong.

The massage addresses in the Rio Branco 156 building were bustling with clients. Every place we tried had limited girls and most had a waiting list for rooms. So, we blew that off.

4X4 was PACKED by 4:30PM. Ratio 60/40 guys. Of the girls, less than half were doable and only one in five worth a second look. The number of girls and the ratio improved, but the place was just too packed. I don't think we sat down for the two hours we were there. The price is now 40R cover, 160/40 minutes, 180/60 minutes. I can't see going back.

Lazer 502 was very good. Maye 20 girls, but 18 shapely, 12 attractive, and 6 or 7 alluring. I went with Aline, a tried and true quantity. For those that like to speak English for a change and are ready for a wild ride, she is strongly recommended. 122R including a full hour in a nice room, entrada, 2 beers.

I went by Help around 11:30 contemplating entrance. There were a couple hundred guys out front on the Veranda, but fewer girls. I didn't feel like dealing with the crowd in my semi-comotose, completely-drained self, so I opted out.

FT

[Usboys]

I have not been to Brazil in almost 12 months after going for 12 years every 3 months. You guys have to stop paying these prices. That is a month salary off of one hit. This crazy. Went you go f the same girls in Centro or Mosa for 15 to 30 Reals. Get smart. For convience 150 - 200 Reals on Coca. That the going international rate. (ie Costa Rica, or Domi Rep).

400 REALS SHORTIME?!!!!!!... This has been my longest hiatus from Rio (12 mos)...and with the outrageous prices being quoted by less than avg GDPs, I might as well go hangout in Sampa with GK and co.. 200 USD/hour, are u guys paying these prices?

[Carrib]

400 REALS SHORTIME?!!!!!!... This has been my longest hiatus from Rio (12 mos)...and with the outrageous prices being quoted by less than avg GDPs, I might as well go hangout in Sampa with GK and co.. 200 USD/hour, are u guys paying these prices?

[Member #4217]

My advice for those planning for next year is unless there is another reason for wanting to be in Rio for the New Year, you are paying a premium for lodging and will have limited options for meeting girls. You might want to plan for coming after the first week in January.

I agree totally. I am starting the New Year free, anbd last night checked all from Balcony to HELP! Lots of tourist. Lots of gringos, mongerers. Pretty thin picking on the girls. Even the ugly girls asked for outragious prices.

"Supply and Demand!"

I slept alone!

Fireworks were great, but I am looking forward tyo next week when things get back to more normal!

Tomnjerry527

[Rosine]

There was a period of time way back when, where I found the hotside.com.br site very helpful. I used to look at all the options on the page, even had a wish list, but never got up the cajones to actually call one. I don't know, the whole freelancing thing seems harder when you aren't in or in front of Help. At any rate, I even got to a point where I went on the Hotside Forum where locals rated the best of the best in Portuguese, but you could use simple translator tools to get the gist of who was good or bad. At any rate, do any of you still use Hotside? If so, is the forum worth the R5 they're trying to get from me to register?

I just feel like the inside scoop can really be had by this crowd. It's really hard to get real time info on centro massage places/Mini Termas or Scortshow reviews and all. Any thoughts? I'm a big time reseacher, so this kind of thing really intrigues me. Thanks.

R