2006 Sao Paulo Reports

[Genghis Khan]

First - there is something you don't understand. You are trying to push an "international girl" with "international pricing" in Sao Paulo - Brazil. This must be a top five city in the world as far as price vs. performance/beauty is conserned. US or Euro pricing doesn't apply here unless you have something special that makes your market value rise in Brazil (not in Europe or the US).

Second - you are trying to convert her price into an hourly rate. In Brazil the hourly rate is commonly dropped when you go for a longer session. They normally have several rates - hourly, several hours and TLN. The competition among the girls in Sao Paulo is hard. So if she senses that the customer has got a good time with her, she will not be strict about the time. One or two hours agreed time will then normally lead into several hours if the customers want to.

Third - you don't pay for her time during dinner if you pay for the meal.

Fourth - you pay what a taxi would cost to your location. You don't spend time with her during transportation, so you don't pay the hourly rate for that time.

Fifth - you never charge a customer USD in Brazil.

Sixth - what you get for your prices at Bahamas or any other high end club is as you correctly put it access to their facilities but you forgot one important aspect. If you don't have a good time with the girls, you have the opportunity to made a complaint with the manager at club. If the chemistry doesn't match with Ale and the performance isn't up to my expectations, where do I make a complaint to get some money back or a discount on my next girl - to you?????

Seventh - if you took the time to read the posts on this forum you would find many girls even more highly recomended than Ale by other members. We don't operate with a fixed rating system here. So it could possible be that nobody has rated their girl an A+++, but if you read the actual reports written on them you will find many more girls not charging for time spent during meals, time spent during transportation and certainly not raising the price without prior notice after the session is completed. These facts actually doesn't make this even a GFE in my opinion. She might provide a GFE in bed, but there is more to it than that.

...and for the record - after this I am quite sure not that many from this forum would want to be with her. So don't worry about that. You can have your diamond all by yourself!

GK

[Bubba Boy]

I personally think Jackson does an excellent job, under sometimes difficult circumstances, but really there should be some policy just to ban posters like KG.

[Kwmartin]

46 post all about one girl. even with my short time on this board, that has got to be a record. Kwm

[Genghis Khan]

I explained that she is an International High End, and not Brazilian,

She does not need a Pimp. It’s a different species. Its not the honeys from 8th story building.

She is above Pimps, Bahamas, WE and other local establishments. She is International!
KoreanGuy25

Noen of this increases her market value above normal levels in Brazil.

GK

[KoreanGuy25]

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[Genghis Khan]

In addition, I do not remember hearing so much good stuff about a provider for a while on this forum.

That is a lot of bullshit!!! If you think that a girl raising her price after the session is completed is good stuff - I think you need to learn how this business works in Sampa - my friend!

And US$80 for another 2 hours at the restaurant for -->> (Ale is a very social person and all my friends were impressed, we all had a great time)

Shouldn't be paid additional according to normal Sampa standards if Quackup paid for the dinner.

She said it was a rainy day, traffic jam at 6PM (your request) so it was 1+1 more hours for her for the road. A total of 5-6 hours of her time, you wanted to buy for Forty bucks?

Shouldn't be paid additional according to normal Sampa standards. It is not Quackup's fault it is a rainy day with heavy traffic either.

GK

[Sperto]

After detailed examination of this post, I determine that you are an honest about Ale being a 10 +++ and that is because you praise her more than any other girl in your trip! In addition, I do not remember hearing so much good stuff about a provider for a while on this forum.
Koreanguy25

"Provider"? Who is the provider? Ale who is offering her services to an outrageous price, or is it you that provide us with Ale and the other girls? If it's the last option I would say that "provider" is equal to pimp.

The day I'll need a "provider" for helping me find a expensive pro in Brazil, will also be the day I'll need a map to show me where to find a sandy spot on the beach.

[Genghis Khan]

I think KG's posts below quite clearly shows that his involvement in this has got to be more than just a recomendation of Ale. Why would he put all that effort into promoting her and defending her if she was just a recomendation?

About every other guy on this board knows that the chemistry between the girls and the mongers are important for getting a good time. So no girls in Sampa is a guaranteed good experience. It depends on the chemistry.

KG is coming on so strong and never highlights this aspect. He is rather trying to defend her faults instead of as other members honestly do simply state that your milage might vary.

GK

[KoreanGuy25]

Quackup,

If you think she was worth it, I don't think anybody can blame you for anything. My high alert has got nothing to do with you or what you did. In fact I find it very helpful that you in fact tried her and gave your feedback here. Everything you did is fully understandable as she looks very good from those pictures.

My high alert is raised towards Ale and KoreanGuy25. The high price, her increased pricing after the session and the agressive "advertising" on this board is what makes me react to this.

Thanks for helping us out to understand,

GK

I think that it would be reasonable for her and it would make sense to ask at least US $ 250 an hour with 2 hour minimum, (this is what Bahamas Garota will cost you) only in Bahamas you use their facilities / cabins and in this case you enjoy her in the privacy of your hotel. Therefore, it is reasonable. In addition, for mongers it would make sense to give a US $ 1, 000 for the whole 24 hours. Again, that is very reasonable and not expensive at all for Sao Paulo or LA. Lets see, if you spend US $ 1, 000 (you go out together, she entertains your friends, all go eat, drink, sex, sleep, whatever). And for a pleasure to with a Best rated girl, like that a 10+, You would Use her for 24 hours and you divided $1, 000 by 24 hours = US $41 So, for $41 Bucks Quackup (no offence), offered to Princess, a pleasure of his company for two hours in the restaurant by impressing his co-workers with her unique Entertainment Qualities, Fluent English, and Exotic Beauty. Then he expected the FUN to continue to his hotel.

Where in deed he also Expected and Received! Form her the best 2 hours of fucking memories of his trip. In addition, the guy proposing that a Lady should stay a total of 3-4 hours (hey man, it would be nice, but it's not a rule, if she enjoy with you, its different! Also, how old are you? )

For a filthy $41 bucks. He says its normal in Brazil and it looks like about $10 bucks an hour. Hey all, Am I wrong in my calculations? And if I'm correct, then the guy just really insulted the Lady with his offer and also he did that after he ask her to suddenly go home. (Did not negotiate and agree on the plan and the cost beforehand and did not tell her what to expect) On the other hand he already knewthat he has other obligations to go to Bahamas with his coworkers. That means, that he intended to:

1) Meet with her,
2) Take her to his room to get acquainted,
3) Go with her to the restaurant (so that she will impress all friends, as his pray and food was so good discussing the followed and expected GFE, Hey man, they all must have been drooling, Isn’t that truth? I know, they did! She saw their looks! )
4) Impress his coworkers,
5) Walk together
6) Come back to hotel,
7) He made his pop as he said, by screwing the shit out of her,
8) Then, he sends her home with $41 bucks and 4 hours later…
Unfortunately, $41 would not even cover her taxi cost. However she did not bought his “Surprise”. In addition, he looked sad.

One of Quackup, poor friends whom paid are$400 for a mechanical Bahamas Garota (No Engleso) plus at least another are $150 + for fees ended up very happy. Therefore, I see that the friend spend (are $ 550) or US $250 for a 1 hour Bahamas adventure, and that is normal. I do not consider it is a Big time spender, but rather Ok and he have a good memory for a lifetime. For the guy it was a high-end club, but comparing the girls there with my Lady, you will not find a comparable. Because I do not remember any monger here, who describes any lady in Sao Paulo or Rio with similar qualities, incredible GEE and get an A+++ rating. In Quackup recent post, he described the 8 story building filthy *****s. The poor guys do not know that he was in Somalia. People are being killed there very often, Ask locals! You will see. So if a Mr. Big Spender paid US $ 30 for an hour with the dirtiest hook's of Sao Paulo in the 8 story building (converted to 10) and in the War Zone, with military presence around the buildings and snipers on the roofs. He decided that it would be reasonable to pay US $ 11 (eleven bucks more) for a company of my referral. In addition, by doing so, he intended to slide in to a category of big spenders, sort of like: Sao Paul02, TitsIsForLess, Majik David, etc. All these guys are a "One - Man - Show" of a monger who is as he describes himself as big shot and been to Brazil 18 times. You know dude, I been to Brazil more then 18 times. More over, I am a Brazilian Resident. And having more than 18 trips under my belt, I can say - Eu falo Umpoku ge Portuguese, and I don't ever look for English speaking garotas to Help me use Her. Like some does. When I go for 2 weeks down there, I generally spend about 10 grand. In addition, Breastisbest can you please post some picks from so called high rolling party at Fasano. Or on the 19 Th trip to Brazil you accidentally forgot your camera? Yeh right, No Fasano, No party, No Yacht in St. Frances because he have Nada. Just about 5 aliases and a wild imagination.

So, Quackup, do you still wanted to pay her $250 for incredible 1 hour fuck in LA, huh?

In the market, where we call any cheap escort and they show up requesting US $250 for just walk in the door. If we want any striping action, it would be $100 more and if he wants intercourse, well its Illegal in California and you WILL end up in Los Angeles County Jail. Downtown, you know? So he cannot get that Beauty here even for 1 or 2 Grand in LA! (moreover he can face an attemp for soliciting a prostitution with some very undesireble results. So I would ask him to stay put! ). Quackup must be thinking that he is a good negotiator, right? So, how about my instructions about the cost of the deal in the PM that I send to him, but he still just tried to pull the fast one. Why don't he go to BA and start negotiating with Jackson's girls at the Mansion? For pennies on the dollar? Do you think, you will create some nice memories doing that? Ok, here is my recommendation; you find me a COMPARABLE (means apple to apple and not sausage to banana) quality Brazilian Garota in Sao Paulo for US $41 (Total 3-4 Hours, Everything included) or in LA for $250 per hour of intercourse! (And I do understand How horny we get sometimes (because we live in the sex prison), so he would probably stick in her as hard and as much as his 60 minutes allow him to stick in her. In addition, he would be incredibly happy to humiliate an Intelligent, Sweet, and Beautiful lady in LA for filthy $250 bucks.) Then he would introduce her to his co-workers, and Quackup think it would show them that he is a part of a Superior and smart Specie's? I don't think he have a chance, Amigo's. So I wish he were selling some part of his body one day, you never know. Then the buyers will negotiate and offer him the same price as 8-story building with cheapest ***** prices. Then I hope he will understand a power of negotiation in Big Deals, and he will pay, - AND HE WILL GET WHAT HE PAID FOR! Now, if you still want to make that deal with Ale in LA or NY, Paris, Seoul, Tokyo or any other location, please let me know. It will be 1 hour of a companionship in any upscale place for US $1, 000 and no SEX! , Plus the shipping and gifts. What about that for a quality time? But then again, there is always East LA OR dirty hookers of streets of TJ or Somalia or VM.

All, Do not ever bother me with her info, cause you will not get any.

KoreanGuy25

[KoreanGuy25]

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[Bubba Boy]

Q. What is the difference between a $10 "h**ker" and a $1000 "h**ker" "?

A. Supply and demand.


Quite simply the supply of girls in Sampa far outweighs the demand of mongers willing to pay western rates. The only way a girl like "ale" would get that much money in sampa would be if some guy promoted the shit out of her on a gringo only board. No Brazilian would be silly enough to put up with her crap for that cash. The true well travelled Brazilian working girls don't work in Brasil, why the hell would they bother when they can earn 300 euros an hour in Europe.

[Breast Is Best]

Maybe I'm tuned into a different frequency here but..erm..is it not painfully obvious that 'KoreanGuy' and Ale are one and the same?

I really don't think one needs to be a Nobel prize winner to figure that one out.

Frankly I don't have a religious view on this practice but I do get bummed by all the bad juju. Its like everyone and anyone getting it in the neck from a mamasan in Manila everytime someone queries Ale! Enough already, surely?

[KoreanGuy25]

Today is the day I'am suppose to meet with koreanguys ale. The bad news was, because this was the last night in s/p, I told my guys this would be the night we go to at least one high end night club. That meant, if I did see Ale, my time with her would be limited.

At 6:00 I get a call and it is Ale and she is waiting downstairs. I go down and get her and bring her up to the room to get acquainted.

She looks just like her pictures and is a very nice person.

About a half hour later, we meet with my friends and we go to dinner. We ended up going to the Jardinera grill. Another fine dinning experience.

Ale is a very social person and all my friends were impressed, and we all had a great time at dinner.

Back at the hotel, I told Ale my time was limited because I promise the guys I would take them to a club and since we had newbies , I wanted to keep my promise to them. She actually looked saddened but understood.

She is just as sweet in bed as she is outside of it.

I had a great time with her.

But now the surprise. Due to some miscommunication, I thought her rate was $500usd for half a day and $1,000 for the whole day. She told me it was $250 per hour including the time we spent at the restaurant.

Now usually in Brazil, the time spent at a restaurant or movie is not counted. In fact when a girl down there says so much for an hour, it isn't a strict hour. Most of the time the hour turns out to be 3 to 4 without any mention of extra pay.

Ale scale is more slated to the American pricing. Nothing wrong with that except I'am in Brazil where you can get exceptional value for the dollar.

Do I regret seeing Ale? No, I had a great time with her, I just wish she would adjust her pricing especially in Brazil.

Since time is running out I only had time for one pop. We said our goodbyes and she left. I met up with my guys looking for a highend club to go to.

I do have to mention, she did say if we met up back in L.A. she would make up the time I lost with my friends and she would adjust her pricing a little bit. So if that happens, that would be pretty cool.

After detailed examination of this post, I determine that you are an honest about Ale being a 10 +++ and that is because you praise her more than any other girl in your trip! In addition, I do not remember hearing so much good stuff about a provider for a while on this forum.

However, I would have to disagree and would like to discuss the service fee issue as follows:

Today is the day I'am suppose to meet with koreanguys ale.
if I did see Ale, my time with her would be limited.
==>> At 6:00, I get a call and it is Ale and she is waiting downstairs.

1) She looks just like her pictures and is a very nice person.
2) Ale is a very social person and all my friends were impressed,
3) We all had a great time at dinner.
4) She is just as sweet in bed as she is outside of it.
5) I had a great time with her.

But now the surprise. Due to some miscommunication (on your part Mr. Q! read my PM to you, below!) I thought her rate was $500usd for half a day and $1,000 for the whole day. She told me it was $250 per hour including the time we spent at the restaurant.

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LOOK MY PM TO YOU !

PM from KoreanGuy25 to Quackup

KoreanGuy25
Regular Member
Reports: 40
Private Message:
Re: contact info.
08-23-06 at 18:498
-23-06 at 18:49

I know that she only meet a few guys a month, so in SP I can get her for 500usd /12 hr, But if YOU invite here than it’s by day. Also I don’t think she ever charge less than 250us / hr,

With 2 hr minimum including a delivery. Here is her email address.
Send me a review afterwards, ok ?

KoreanGuy25
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Now usually in Brazil, the time spent at a restaurant or movie is not counted. In fact, when a girl down there says so much for an hour, it is not a strict hour. (That is not correct, she don’t own you anything, only if she have a good time and enjoy)

Most of the time, the hour turns out to be 3 to 4 without any mention of extra pay.
(I WOULD HAVE TO DISAGREE, BECAUSE I DO NOT SEE THIS AS USUAL ENCOUNTER OF YOU OR YOUR COWORKERS)

Ale scale is more slated to the American pricing. (Did you mean East LA Hookers by comparing a 10 +++ Stunner to them?)

Nothing wrong with that except I am in Brazil where you can get exceptional value for the dollar.

(Definitely aware of an 8 story building where you got that special treatment for)

Do I regret seeing Ale? No, I had a great time with her; I just wish she would adjust her pricing especially in Brazil.

(Read on)

Since time is running out, I only had time for one pop (how long for pop?). We said our goodbyes and she left. I met up with my guys looking for a high-end club to go to.

I do have to mention, she did say if we met up back in L.A. she would make up the time I lost with my friends and she would adjust her pricing a little bit. So if that happens, that would be pretty cool.

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Ok, So you were going to pay her US$40 per hour for ==>> (She is just as sweet in bed as she is outside of it.)

And US$80 for another 2 hours at the restaurant for -->> (Ale is a very social person and all my friends were impressed, we all had a great time)

Because the way you calculate $500 divide by 12 hours and for the price of 1 hour or $40 bucks you would use her for 3 - 4 hours, and you would think that its OK, and there is no reason to negotiate or get in to Verbal Agreement, not only about fuck, but also about pay! Therefore, did you actually intended to use her for 3-4 hours and pay for one hour?

And wanted tryed an old trick to ask afterwards ? And you estimated it would be reasonable to give her FORTY BUCKS for 3-4 hours with you. She said it was a rainy day, traffic jam at 6PM (your request) so it was 1+1 more hours for her for the road. A total of 5-6 hours of her time, you wanted to buy for Forty bucks?

Read on,

Koreanguy25

[Kwmartin]

First let me say thank you for your reports, both here and in the Rio forum. I found them to be insightful and well written. I will read them again when I finally make my trip down to Brazil.

As to KG and Ale, after his third or fourth post pimping this girl. I began to have an un-easy feeling about this. nothing I have read to date has changed that feeling. Thank you for giving her a twirl and taking one for the team. Kwm

[Genghis Khan]

Maybe this will explain a little more about why I took a chance with ale. I live in L.A. and I figured if I met up with ale in Brazil, when she came back to L.A., I could have that gfe right in my back yard. At $250 an hour in L.A., that is pretty reasonable.

I tried to stress the money was more than I usually pay in Brazil. Gk, it was from your great reports I found w.e. and last year when I went, I paid r$800. At the time I thought that was alot. But the bottom line was, on both occassions I had a great time.

Like I stress to my friends who came along with me on this trip, no regrets. I do have to admit, if ale doesn't change her pricing in Brazil, there are too many alternatives to turn to.

Hope this helps.

Q

Quackup,

If you think she was worth it, I don't think anybody can blame you for anything. My high alert has got nothing to do with you or what you did. In fact I find it very helpful that you in fact tried her and gave your feedback here. Everything you did is fully understandable as she looks very good from those pictures.

My high alert is raised towards Ale and KoreanGuy25. The high price, her increased pricing after the session and the agressive "advertising" on this board is what makes me react to this.

Thanks for helping us out to understand,
GK