2007 Sao Paulo Reports

[Bimbo Boy]

Mangera.
Nevertheless, for the older guys who are not interested by bars/boites/clubs hopping and don't really need to move at night, Moema and its quiet residential atmosphere is a good location I agree.

Plus the fact that many independent girls live and work in Moema. There even a few famous buildings where the garotas de programa congregate and where the porter sees a continuous flow of clients all day long.
For example, in avenida Miruna.
Sometimes, clients are 4 or 5 waiting downstairs in the lobby, and we are all eyeing each other because we all know why we are there. Then the elevator comes and a superb girl comes and takes away one of us ... Such nice memories ...
BB

[Prosal]

Mangera.

Staying in Moema requires a minimum daily taxi budget of 120/140 reals if you want to partake Sao Paulo's frenzy nightlife and wander every night around Zona Sul, Pinheiros and Centro, and more if you want also visit more remote places like Gauguin in Brooklin, Connection in Tatuapé, Millenium in Ipiranga, ect. The only ride back from Love Story in Centro to your hotel in Moema will cost you around 40 reals.

For anyone who comes to Sao Paulo to party and hit the best boites and clubs (is there another reason to come to SP ?!?), there's no sense to stay in such a remote neighborhood. Better choose Itaim/V.Olimpia, which is the regular nightlife's epicenter, Jardins or Pinheiros. Yet IMO Centro is the best location if you stay only a few days and want to optimize your time without ruining yourself in taxi fares.

Nevertheless, for the older guys who are not interested by bars/boites/clubs hopping, but only by daytime appointments with GdPs and don't really need to move at night (as obviously Sui G), Moema and its quiet residential atmosphere is a good location I agree.

[Mangera]

Quick, concise, informative and excellent report.

[Sui Generis]

First of all, a word of caution.

I prefer Moema but I am perfectly aware that this district is not a kind of Shangri-La or mythical Eldorado. It only suits my needs (which, all things considered, are quite modest).

I'll try to explain in few words my I prefer this district to any others in São Paulo.

THE DISTRICT

1) The district (formerly called Indianopolis) is relatively quiet (however, we should never loose sight of the fact that we are still in São Paulo). In general, the tree-shaded streets are safe at any time of the day. I often walk at night. It's mainly a residential district. The avenida Ibirapuera cuts the district in the middle. Close to the Avenida Ipirapuera there's streets with a lot of restaurants, bars, cafés, padarias and shops.

In the southern part of the district, there's also individual houses. Near avenida Eucaliptos, and Juauapueri (close to the praça Paul harris) for example, you almost have the feeling that you are in the country.

http://www.vippapers.com.br/produtos...fachada_ok.jpg


RESTAURANTS

2) As I mentioned there's a lot of restaurants in this district.

My favorite ones are:

For lunch:

Empório Moema Pães e cia.
Rua Canário, 850 esq. Av. Macuco
Tel: 2101-4000
http://www.emporiomoema.com.br/

http://www.guiasp.com.br/guiasp/site...conteudo=94157


For informal diner:
Bar du Cais
Av. Lavandisca, 717 esq. Al. Dos Arapanés
Tel: 5051-7235 5056-0922

Favela Moema
Av. Lavandisca, 590
Tel: 5055-2892 5055-3281


For steaks (parilla argentina)
http://www.villaalvear.com.br/abre.htm

Brazilian Cuisine (from Minas Gerais)
http://www.donalucinha.com.br/

and many more....there's virtually a restaurant at each corner.


HOTELS: There are many hotels in Moema. Here's a small sample:


Blue Tree Convention Ibirapuera
2, 927 Av Ibirapuera

Blue Tree Towers Ibirapuera
2, 577 Av Inirapuera

Estanplaza Ibirapuera
501, Avenida Jndira.

Merak Hotel
262 Lavandisca

Travel Inn Ritz Flat
711, rua Araguari

Quality Moema
57, Avenida Rouxinol

Mercure Le Corbusier
365 Avenida Lavandisca

Habitually, I stay in this hotel. It is almost half the distance between Santo Amato and Avenida Ibirapuera. On Sundays, there's a market on the street.

It's not far from the Nossa Senhora Aparecida Square.

http://www.paroquiamoema.org.br/

Each Sunday, there's also a fair there. I like this square because there's also a lot of Sebos (used books stores).

If you take the bus on Lavandisca, within 15 minutes you're at the Santa Cruz subway station.

If you're looking for an Internet Cafe there's one nearby:
Gamenetx: 2469, Avenida Lavandisca.

Hobbying:


BOATES

Moulin Rouge Night Club
2, 217 Av. dos Bandeirantes, 2.217 - Moema
(Av. dos Bandeirantes with Av. Santo Amaro)
Entrance Fee : R$ 45
GDP 145 R$ + R$ 65 for the room (1 hour).

PANTHER'S NIGHT CLUB (Not far from Moema)
http://www.panthersnightclub.com.br/

Entrance Fee: R$ 30 (entitles you to 3 drinks)
GDP (with room included) R$ 170.

AMERICAN SHOW
http://www.americanshow.com.br/

Entrance : R$ 80
Room: R$ 70
GDP : between R$ 150 and R$ 300 (be ready to negotiate)

SOLID GOLD
http://www.solidgold.com.br

Entrance Fee: R$ 75
Room (between R$ 50 and R$ 70)
GDP : between R$ 150 and R$ 400 (be ready to negotiate)

BLACK MOON CAFE (not far from Moema)
558, Avenida Santo Amaro

Entrance Fee : R$ 12 (entitles you to two beers)
Room: R$ 60 (1h)
GDP: R$ 100 (1h)

CAFE PHOTO
(There's enough information on this site. Search the threads)

BAHAMAS
571, rua dos Chanés
http://www.cyberbahamas.com.br

Entrance Fee : R$ 123
Room : R$ 100
GDP: between R$ 250 and R$ 400.


CLINICS (most of the good clinics are close to Moema)

Clinica Cherry
http://www.clinicacherry.com.br

Clinica La fleur de jour
http://www.lafleurdejour.com.br

Clinica Zen
www.clinicazen.com.br

Clinica Quatro estaçoes
www.quatroestacoesvip.com.br

and many more.....

GDP?
There's a lot of GDP receiving in their flat. Between R$ 150 to R$ 300. Some of them are not clock watcher.

[Euro100]

Jonathan76, don't believe everything you read on these ads. She's not 38, she's definitely in her late 40's or early 50's.

When a GDP says she's 20, always add 3 or 4 years.
When a GDP says she's 25, always add 5 to 7 years
When a GDP says she's 30, always add 10 years
When a GDP says she's 40, well me prefer not to know! LOL

Yes, true, but I am not 35 either...

[Mangera]

Almotu and Johnatan76,

Both of you are right! São Paulo is a huge city and sometimes we can have the impression of being overwhelmed by its dimension. The first time I was in Sampa I hated the city so much because I was unable to find my way and, consequently, I felt opressed. For a moment, I thought I was the personification of a character (Pa) in an old Charles Lamont's movie I saw when I was a child : Ma and Pa Kettle Go to Town (1950) : a moron in a big city.


In São paulo you have to deal with the immensity of the town but as wrote the poet Glauco Mattoso in Urbaniversado (2002) : "o imenso não é feio nem bonito" (immensity is neither beautiful nor ugly). Immensity is a fact and you have to accept it. Once it's done you will have to live with it. Even the paulistanos have to accept this; it's part of their daily life.

I remember once that I saw a dating game on a TV chanel in São Paulo. At a certain part of the game the female contestants were able to pick up the male contestant they liked the most. They had then a chance to talk to each other (in an secluded place) in order to discover if there was some compatibility between them. After a while, they asked the momentary paired contestants if the match was perfect or not. Believe it or not, the major reason they gave to explain why there was an incompatibility between them was the distance between their respective dwelling place. «Oh, I like him a lot. It think he's perfect but you know I live in Moema and he lives in Tucuruvi...the distance is too big between us!» Damn!!!!

As wrote the poet Luiz Roberto Guedes São Paulo is "a cidade em fugua". We can play here on the polysemy of the locution "em fugua" (en fugue, in French). "Em fugua" can be translated (roughly) as runaway in the sense of "out of control", "enormous" or "which has fled". People in São Paulo are "em fugua" in the sense that they are always moving from one place to another in order to escape their plight. Runaway (enormous) São Paulo induces the feeling of running away (em fugua) from it.

In another poem Guedes wrote:

Branca, negra ou amarela,
passa gente na calçada:
assim vejo, aglomerada,
São Paulo, pela janela.
A visão que tenho dela
se turva quando me molha
a lágrima, e se desfolha
no outono da minha vida.
Saudosa da cor perdida,
tem a cara de quem olha.

White, black or yellow,
pass people on the sidewalk:
thus I see, squezzed up,
São Paulo, through the window.
The vision I have of it
becomes blurred when a tear
wets my eyes and defoliates itself
in the autumn of my life.
Melancholy of the lost colour
has the face of the person who looks.


This being said, is São Paulo really inimical to mongering?

No, not at all. But before leaving, you should try to figure out IN ADVANCE the places (privês, boates, clinics, freelance escorts) you want to visit.

I'm always surprised to see that almost all members on this board head to Jardim. What's the deal with Jardim? You're close to downton (centro), yeah and so what? Big deal! When comes the night there nothing to do there and when you want some action you are obliged to spend money on expensive car rides.

I prefer to stay in Moema. There's a lot of restaurants, clubs amd bars and the neibourghood is very safe. Many escorts live there, so I don't have to spend expensive taxi fares. If I want to visit a clinic or a privês or spend the night in a boate everything is close to Moema...so why stay in Jardim?

Just my two cents.

I am in Rio now, and was thinking about heading over to SP for a 3 or 4 day stay. But I am not that familiar with SP. My concern all along has been trying to find a location that does not require all of this traveling time back and forth. Yes, taxi money is an issue, but time is even a bigger factor. Thanks for your input about Moema. Could you please suggest any particular hotel that are not expensive, or cheap, just overall good value. Examples of clinicas or similar places near by. Any info. would be much appreciated.

[Sui Generis]

Sui Generis,

Too bad she's not 55 yet but that's o. K.

J.

Jonathan76, don't believe everything you read on these ads. She's not 38, she's definitely in her late 40's or early 50's.

When a GDP says she's 20, always add 3 or 4 years.
When a GDP says she's 25, always add 5 to 7 years
When a GDP says she's 30, always add 10 years
When a GDP says she's 40, well me prefer not to know! LOL

[Sui Generis]

Almotu and Johnatan76,

Both of you are right! São Paulo is a huge city and sometimes we can have the impression of being overwhelmed by its dimension. The first time I was in Sampa I hated the city so much because I was unable to find my way and, consequently, I felt opressed. For a moment, I thought I was the personification of a character (Pa) in an old Charles Lamont's movie I saw when I was a child : Ma and Pa Kettle Go to Town (1950) : a moron in a big city.


In São paulo you have to deal with the immensity of the town but as wrote the poet Glauco Mattoso in Urbaniversado (2002) : "o imenso não é feio nem bonito" (immensity is neither beautiful nor ugly). Immensity is a fact and you have to accept it. Once it's done you will have to live with it. Even the paulistanos have to accept this; it's part of their daily life.

I remember once that I saw a dating game on a TV chanel in São Paulo. At a certain part of the game the female contestants were able to pick up the male contestant they liked the most. They had then a chance to talk to each other (in an secluded place) in order to discover if there was some compatibility between them. After a while, they asked the momentary paired contestants if the match was perfect or not. Believe it or not, the major reason they gave to explain why there was an incompatibility between them was the distance between their respective dwelling place. «Oh, I like him a lot. It think he's perfect but you know I live in Moema and he lives in Tucuruvi...the distance is too big between us!» Damn!!!!

As wrote the poet Luiz Roberto Guedes São Paulo is "a cidade em fugua". We can play here on the polysemy of the locution "em fugua" (en fugue, in French). "Em fugua" can be translated (roughly) as runaway in the sense of "out of control", "enormous" or "which has fled". People in São Paulo are "em fugua" in the sense that they are always moving from one place to another in order to escape their plight. Runaway (enormous) São Paulo induces the feeling of running away (em fugua) from it.

In another poem Guedes wrote:

Branca, negra ou amarela,
passa gente na calçada:
assim vejo, aglomerada,
São Paulo, pela janela.
A visão que tenho dela
se turva quando me molha
a lágrima, e se desfolha
no outono da minha vida.
Saudosa da cor perdida,
tem a cara de quem olha.

White, black or yellow,
pass people on the sidewalk:
thus I see, squezzed up,
São Paulo, through the window.
The vision I have of it
becomes blurred when a tear
wets my eyes and defoliates itself
in the autumn of my life.
Melancholy of the lost colour
has the face of the person who looks.


This being said, is São Paulo really inimical to mongering?

No, not at all. But before leaving, you should try to figure out IN ADVANCE the places (privês, boates, clinics, freelance escorts) you want to visit.

I'm always surprised to see that almost all members on this board head to Jardim. What's the deal with Jardim? You're close to downton (centro), yeah and so what? Big deal! When comes the night there nothing to do there and when you want some action you are obliged to spend money on expensive car rides.

I prefer to stay in Moema. There's a lot of restaurants, clubs amd bars and the neibourghood is very safe. Many escorts live there, so I don't have to spend expensive taxi fares. If I want to visit a clinic or a privês or spend the night in a boate everything is close to Moema...so why stay in Jardim?

Just my two cents.

[Jonathan76]

I guess then that Fofa devora should be perfect.

http://www.contatos.com.br/nome.php?nome=fofadevora

Good luck!

Sui Generis,

Thank you SO MUCH! That is what I'm looking for. Too bad she's not 55 yet but that's o. K.

And I converted her measurements too: she's 5 foot 2 inches and weighs around 170 pounds.

The only problem for me now is having to wait until the end of July for my trip.

Thanks again.

J.

[Johan]

I concurred with Almotu on his assessment of Rio vs. SP. I did some research of SP for about 1 week in 2003 (after visiting Rio for over 10 years regularly). Based on Almotu's report, seems like things remain the same since 4 years ago.

In 2003, I followed the intelligence lead as provided by this board and checked out as much as the scene given my limited time of one week. Almotu is right. SP is a huge city and things are spread out ala LAX. So, getting point A to point B involves time and $. Cab fare is expensive, even travel for short distance (due to the constant stop and go in SP huge traffic jam, the city seems to be in 24/7 traffic jam - except the weekends). Indeed there are lots of "clinics" but the best clinics do not offer the same level of service ala Termas in Rio. There are lots of clubs/boates and indeed they are very nice, Cafe Foto and the like. However, the entrance fee is high and the expense with the girls is even higher. Of course, everything is relative, if you live and work in SP and have lots of time, I think SP would be a lot of fun. However, if you are on a tight budget and even more tighter time available, SP may not be the best place to spend your time. Definitely visit SP for the experience but be realistic with your expectation.

[Sui Generis]

Hi Sui Generis,

The pic you posted is decent, I suppose.

But I'm looking for someone more like this:

I guess then that Fofa devora should be perfect.

http://www.contatos.com.br/nome.php?nome=fofadevora

Good luck!

[Bambino]

Gentelmen,

I am on the way back!

I will be spending the whole time in Sao Paulo. Possibly heading up to Goiania to visit a friend ( and possibly confirm some good things I have heard from a co-worker from SP) for a few days. There are some good things on gpguia also, about Goiania.

But while in S.P. I plan to "do it all" many times. The whole reange of prives, casas, "casas noturnas", escorts, and some non-pro playing around.

If anyone is going to be there at the time, I could use a wingman for some of this.

Lemme know...

[Badis]

So where do one turn when one need good info about a place far, far away? ISG Of course!

So am planning to fly down and see the F1 in October.

Anyone been there before and can share info about where to stay (in SP or at the track) or where to buy tickets and what stands are the best?

Any other useful info to think about while attending the F1 or about what to do while I'm there is more than welcome.

B

[Jonathan76]

A few more I hope to find:

[Antgreg]

Hi guys,

I have made up my mind to visit Sao Paulo instead of Rio. I have a few questions I would like you guys to help me out with. What is the best hotel or hotls to stay at and what area is better? Where do I find the girls at which termas, which clubs and prices? I appreciate all the info as this will be my first time in Brazil, however I've been to other places.

Thanks