2007 General Reports

[Madd Love]

At least the United States has made it to the number 1 country unchallenge. Not many countries discuss on here can say that there country is #1 in the world unchallenge or has made it to #1.

[Madd Love]

Funny how you brought these issues up when talking about third world countries.

Since I´m european who has lived in several countries and continents, including USA, I find both Brasil and USA 3rd world countries.

Compared to ANY european country there is no freedom what so ever in USA and no safety what so ever in Brasil. Said that I prefer to live in Brasil, mostly because of the freedom you have here.

If you look at history. We help your country or say (Europe) gain status and economic power after WW2. If it wasn't for us Europe would not be what it is today. Europe was shattered after the war.

And about third world look it up.

Wikepedia definition:

Third World is a term used along with First World and (to a much lesser extent) Second World to divide the nations of Earth into three broad socio-political and economic categories.

The term was coined in 1952 by French demographer Alfred Sauvy to refer to what are now called developing or underdeveloped countries, especially in Latin America, Africa, Oceania, and Asia, which were not aligned with either the Soviet nor American blocs during the Cold War.[1] Today, however, the term is synonymous with all countries in the developing world, independent of their political status.

Third World countries are also known as the Global South, developing countries, and underdeveloped countries in academic circles. Development workers also call them the "two-thirds world" and "The South."

MY COMMENT: Yes Rome went down and the United States may go down too some day, but for now we are a super power. We are actually putting Nukes in Russia's backyard on Europe's soil. No one put missiles or Nukes in the United States, so far we have been unchallenge.

United States has been number 1 for a while and a lot of people on here dislike like the facts about it.

[Helpmann]

If you can't drink the water, you're in a Third World country.

-Helpmann

[Off Road]

This is absolutely not true. They tax the $2000 a month because it is considered income in Brazil, and they couldn't care less that you have already paid taxes on it in your own country.

OK.. I will find out for sure soon. You are not required to stay here full time with a retirment visa, you can be away for up to 2 years.

[Perkele]

It all depends on how you define "third world country". In terms of political rights, civil liberties, gross national income, human development, poverty, press of freedom etc or just an underdeveloped country?

Funny how you brought these issues up when talking about third world countries.

Since I´m european who has lived in several countries and continents, including USA, I find both Brasil and USA 3rd world countries.

Compared to ANY european country there is no freedom what so ever in USA and no safety what so ever in Brasil. Said that I prefer to live in Brasil, mostly because of the freedom you have here.

[Sperto]

It all depends on how you define "third world country". In terms of political rights, civil liberties, gross national income, human development, poverty, press of freedom etc or just an underdeveloped country?

Some might call Brazil a thirld world country after their 2 weeks holiday in Copacabana. Maybe they understood nobody and nobody understood them and nothing was in the same way as back home? Well, then it must be the third world...

IMO calling the world's 9th largest economy a third world country is nothing but a sign of ignorance and lack of knowledge. In my eyes Brazil isn't a third world country.

But the United states have been compared to the Roman Empire, nothing seen like it since Roman. We have been militarily unchallange And have been economically stable since the great depression.

Interesting... The Roman Empire's fall was partly because of decline in morals and values, inflation, military spendings and a good beating from Germanic tribes.

[Lorenzo]

BTW, I live in Mexico, another country a lot of people refer to as "third world" (though it isn't, IMHO, just like Brazil isn't anymore, as far as I see it. But that's stuff for another post, I guess).


EA

"Third world" is one of those terms that is bandied about a lot but that remains ill-defined. When the term first came into widespread use in the 1950s and 60s, it was a political term and had nothing to do with economic development. "Third world" meant "nonaligned," that is not aligned with either the Western bloc or the Soviet bloc. The classic nonaligned leaders were people like Nehru, Sukarno, and Tito. By that definition, Brazil would never have been considered "third world" because it was always a solid US ally.

In the past few decades the original meaning of the term has fallen by the wayside, and "third world" has come to mean "underdeveloped." So by this definition, is Brazil a "third world" country? Most people would say no, although much of rural Brazil, especially the northeast, the sertao, etc., exhibit levels of poverty as dire as any "third world" country. I'm curious as to what other forum members think.

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[Lorenzo]

They tax what you earn here, not the $2000 a month. And even if they did, 27% is better than I get in Calif (Fed and CA).

This is absolutely not true. They tax the $2000 a month because it is considered income in Brazil, and they couldn't care less that you have already paid taxes on it in your own country.

[Ejam06]

I was at MF1 last week and the girls there were outstanding. So went back again. 15 min $R20 WOW!

[Exec Talent]

I have never bought or used and brazilian condums. Anyone have any suggestions? I think we all want to be protected but feel like there is nothing there.

I did a dupla at MC tonight and between regular sex (both girls), anal sex (both girls), regular sex again (1 girl) we used about 5 condoms. No problems to report! I had American condoms with me, but the girls were running the show! List me as a satisfied customer!

[Abzsafado]

I don't think Euro has a tight budget.
He takes the comfortable, quick and cheap Real bus from the airport to Centro instead of a taxi. The difference in prices will be about R$ 50 (round trip). These R$ 50 is serious bunda-money.

I can't see why the Real bus shouldn't be safe (OK, nothing is 100% safe in Rio)? It's not like taking a common bus passing by the outskirts of favelas.

I have never heard of anyone having problems with the bus from the airport. However taxis and tour group buses are a different story. I have had a friend who has been carjacked on the way from the airport. The taxi was stopped, at gunpoint, by another car and then the taxi luggage and all was taken away and my friend left standing at the roadside with the driver. This year an entire busload of tourists were robbed on the way from the airport to Copa, it was a tour group bus not the regular bus.

[Abzsafado]

Dude, I posted this question on the 26th of last month. And almost four weeks later you post an answer to it ... one that does not contain any information what-so-friggin-ever. Is there no other point you can make?

In the meantime I have visited Rio, figured out the bus situation and took the bus to centro, posted the information (http://internationalsexguide.info/fo...t.php?p=651223), left Rio, returned to Rio, took another bus to the Copa, posted the information (http://internationalsexguide.info/fo...t.php?p=652937), spent several more days in Rio, and left again.

And what did we learn from your post? That you think that my thinking is strange. Ummm, OK, my wife could have told you that, too .

Generally I don't like somebody getting flamed but that really made me chuckle. Great response to a crap post.

[Abzsafado]

[QUOTE=Alex Deuce]Never in life use a condom made in Brazil. I have used three and three have ripped during sex. The stores sell everything so I would not experiment unless it is the last thing available.[/QUOTE
Brasilian condoms are as reliable as any other I have tried, try Extra or the ones with the dragon on the label, never had a problem with either.

[Madd Love]

First I would like to say it is more common sense to live in first world than third world. I am not knocking latin countries and I am American. I am saying Brazil is third world but improving, but much work and government reform need to take place, and corruption on all levels.

It make more sense to live in first world because:

1. Opportunities are better.

2. Higher income.

3. Less crime. Brazil's crime is very high compared to the rest of the world. I am not making this up. There are many Favela's all over Rio. I have personally been to one. The majority of Brazilians live at or below the poverty level. Not because they want to but because of many different circumstances I will have to cover in another topic. Look at the documentary "FAVELA RISING" or movie "City of God".

Yes America has crime as everywhere. But at least there are people who will help you and not turn an eye.

I am not saying America is the greatest nation on earth to live but it does offer better opportunities than most countries in the world. We are oly 5% of the world population and control at least 25% of the worlds goods and services. So far the U.S has been the worlds number 1 export market and may change later.

But I just want to point out that a 5 year old can make the distinction of living in a thirrd world versus a first world country.

Its like asking a kid whats better gold or copper. Just an example.

I know you have pride in your country and respect that. I have pride in mines as well.

But the United states have been compared to the Roman Empire, nothing seen like it since Roman. We have been militarily unchallange And have been economically stable since the great depression.

Facts speak louder than words.

But i am not trying to argue with you but saying what sense it makes to Marry to live in third world. When you can get a tourist visa and stay up to 6 months a year.

I love Latin countries, Arab countries and African countries. But United states which i live speak for itself, there will be declines here because nothing last forever but we will still be a super power.

ITS GOOD TO HAVE PRIDE FOR YOUR COUNTRY AS I HAVE PRIDE IN MINES.

Appreciate your point of view

I guess there are a flurry of reasons why people would want to live in a non-first world country, and as someone who lives under such circumstances, I will try to provide a few. BTW, I live in Mexico, another country a lot of people refer to as "third world" (though it isn't, IMHO, just like Brazil isn't anymore, as far as I see it. But that's stuff for another post, I guess).

1) Trying to stretch retirement dollars farther than in a Western country (I know, Brazil is getting more expensive because of the tanking dollar, but the US and Western Europe aren't exactly getting cheaper, either). In other words, enjoying an enhanced lifestyle through lowering living expenses.

2) Work in a high-income country while physically living in a low-cost one. Internet and email have made this possible, and that's exactly what I do: work for clients in Western Europe and the US while residing in Mexico. Designers, software engineers, whoever not could do the same, basically. See above.

3) Working experience in a foreign country. Yes, wages are low in Brazil, and teaching English doesn't pay a whole lot... but then again, it SURE is easier to survive in Brazil (or Mexico, for that matter) teaching English on the side than teaching a foreign language in the US, for example. To say nothing of the personal satisfaction and the cultural insights one gains from the experience. Also, it's not so difficult to combine earnings in one country with supplemental investment income originating in another (Western) country. In other words, just work enough to cover daily expenses while living off money you invested earlier elsewhere. Sounds like an alternative to the rat race to me.

4) Personal preferences: you know, I like living in a Latin country, and it's not like I have to (I spent 12 years in the US, after all, and I have a EU passport). I know quite a bit of US and European expatriates here where I live, and I hardly ever meet anyone who really misses their "first world" very much (especially once they realize through first-hand experience that the first world has its drawbacks, too). I am also not only talking about expatriates that get sent down here by their companies with big expenses accounts and stuff, thereby enjoying a vastly improved lifestyle, but people who live AND work here. Since you mentioned crime: well, it's not like safety is all that dandy in many parts of the Western world, either, like in the US, and safety in so-called "third-world" countries isn't necessarily as bad as being portrayed in the Westerb media. I'll give you an example: where I live, I can walk around at all times of the day AND night without ever worrying about anything: assaults, robberies, etc. etc. Can you say that about the place where you live????

5) Experience of living abroad in a foreign culture for an extended period of time. Sure, tourist visas are relatively easy to get for Westerners, but for total immersion into a foreign culture, years at a time are hard to beat. To say nothing of language learning.

Now, whether getting married is actually the best or smartest or easiest way to get to stay permanently in a country, that's a difficult question. In some countries, it is, in some, it is not (like in Mexico), in other countries, it might depend on your personal circumstances and attitudes towards marriage in the first place. I feel that, if you are dead-set against marriage, don't do it, period, regardless of its perceived benefits in terms of getting a visa, and if "banging as many chicks as possible" is a priority, why would you get married in the first place? In Brazil, I personally feel that adopting a child or having a child with a Brazilian is actually easier insofar as the initial paperwork is concerned. Whether it is less troublesome in the long run remains to be seen, of course

You say "If I want to settle down I can just find a girl here. When you look at it, the brazilian chick is the one who will be winning from the situation." Even though, or maybe because, I don't know exactly where you are from (I guess the US??), I don't even want to go into differences between Western women and Latinas, also because there is an entire forum dedicated to that here on ISG. But I hope you are not suggesting that a Western woman has NOTHING to gain from a marriage: if do do, you obviously have never gone through a divorce. So in that respect, I'd say that by marrying a Brazilian, you at least have SOMETHING to gain as a guy... might not be a whole lot, but something is something.

My two cents on this,

EA

[El Austriaco]

I agree 100%, its stupid to marry for a visa in a third world country. Its so easy to get a regular tourist visa in the united states to enter Brazil. Why marry when you can bang as many chicks as you want verses settling down. If I want to settle down I can just find a girl here. When you look at it, the brazilian chick is the one who will be wining from the situation. She will still be F*cking for money while you are trying to get her with you and she will be jealous as hell if you look at another chick when you go see her. And there are very low wages in Brazil. So I personally don't see the point and crime is very high. The only thing that is good is the weather and girls.

I guess there are a flurry of reasons why people would want to live in a non-first world country, and as someone who lives under such circumstances, I will try to provide a few. BTW, I live in Mexico, another country a lot of people refer to as "third world" (though it isn't, IMHO, just like Brazil isn't anymore, as far as I see it. But that's stuff for another post, I guess).

1) Trying to stretch retirement dollars farther than in a Western country (I know, Brazil is getting more expensive because of the tanking dollar, but the US and Western Europe aren't exactly getting cheaper, either). In other words, enjoying an enhanced lifestyle through lowering living expenses.

2) Work in a high-income country while physically living in a low-cost one. Internet and email have made this possible, and that's exactly what I do: work for clients in Western Europe and the US while residing in Mexico. Designers, software engineers, whoever not could do the same, basically. See above.

3) Working experience in a foreign country. Yes, wages are low in Brazil, and teaching English doesn't pay a whole lot... but then again, it SURE is easier to survive in Brazil (or Mexico, for that matter) teaching English on the side than teaching a foreign language in the US, for example. To say nothing of the personal satisfaction and the cultural insights one gains from the experience. Also, it's not so difficult to combine earnings in one country with supplemental investment income originating in another (Western) country. In other words, just work enough to cover daily expenses while living off money you invested earlier elsewhere. Sounds like an alternative to the rat race to me.

4) Personal preferences: you know, I like living in a Latin country, and it's not like I have to (I spent 12 years in the US, after all, and I have a EU passport). I know quite a bit of US and European expatriates here where I live, and I hardly ever meet anyone who really misses their "first world" very much (especially once they realize through first-hand experience that the first world has its drawbacks, too). I am also not only talking about expatriates that get sent down here by their companies with big expenses accounts and stuff, thereby enjoying a vastly improved lifestyle, but people who live AND work here. Since you mentioned crime: well, it's not like safety is all that dandy in many parts of the Western world, either, like in the US, and safety in so-called "third-world" countries isn't necessarily as bad as being portrayed in the Westerb media. I'll give you an example: where I live, I can walk around at all times of the day AND night without ever worrying about anything: assaults, robberies, etc. etc. Can you say that about the place where you live????

5) Experience of living abroad in a foreign culture for an extended period of time. Sure, tourist visas are relatively easy to get for Westerners, but for total immersion into a foreign culture, years at a time are hard to beat. To say nothing of language learning.

Now, whether getting married is actually the best or smartest or easiest way to get to stay permanently in a country, that's a difficult question. In some countries, it is, in some, it is not (like in Mexico), in other countries, it might depend on your personal circumstances and attitudes towards marriage in the first place. I feel that, if you are dead-set against marriage, don't do it, period, regardless of its perceived benefits in terms of getting a visa, and if "banging as many chicks as possible" is a priority, why would you get married in the first place? In Brazil, I personally feel that adopting a child or having a child with a Brazilian is actually easier insofar as the initial paperwork is concerned. Whether it is less troublesome in the long run remains to be seen, of course

You say "If I want to settle down I can just find a girl here. When you look at it, the brazilian chick is the one who will be winning from the situation." Even though, or maybe because, I don't know exactly where you are from (I guess the US??), I don't even want to go into differences between Western women and Latinas, also because there is an entire forum dedicated to that here on ISG. But I hope you are not suggesting that a Western woman has NOTHING to gain from a marriage: if do do, you obviously have never gone through a divorce. So in that respect, I'd say that by marrying a Brazilian, you at least have SOMETHING to gain as a guy... might not be a whole lot, but something is something.

My two cents on this,

EA