2008 General Reports

[Thanos]

El Austriaco: "That you can meet tons of hookers in sidewalk cafes (Balcony, Meia Pataca), on the beach (hooker beach), in clubs (Help, Barbarella, etc. Etc.), and pretty much anywhere else in Copacabana is somehow interpreted by these guys as meaning that these girls are not really hookers. Well, they are. The fact that you can meet hookers in settings in Rio in which you would not meet hookers in your homecountry doesn't make them normal girls. This is something very important to keep in mind: there are hookers (GDPs), and there are non-pros".

Great point. One of the scenerios that really catches guys off guard. When most of us think of hookers we think of; "ladies of the night". Not so in Rio. Here you'll see girls during the day in the markets and on the streets pushing baby carriages, walking with their mothers, playing on the beach, and in all kinds of "normal" scenerios. Alot of guys tend to think; " hey these are just normal girls who prostitute on the side". Don't believe the hype. These girls are 100% hookers who just happen to do normal activities in public.

[Edward M]

Are most Brazilian women bi-sexual? It seems, from stories I have heard from friends who have visited, that most like girls and have no problem with eating a girl out and helping there boyfriend pick up another girl.

I think that this is actually easier to accomplish with American women. It is quite trendy even among non-bisexual girls. Of course many GDP's will do it whether they are truly into or not but many have told me that they prefer not to.

[El Austriaco]

Maybe they myths that do but I want to know. Here are some questions I want to know if are true.

Since I got some time, I will address some of the common myths and misconceptions about Brazil that are out there right from the get-go. IMHO, the myth that ALL Brazilian women are easy is perpetuated by guys who go to Rio for the first time, speak no Portuguese, stay in Copacabana, have tons of sexual experiences, and then go home to tell everyone how easy it is to score with the girls there. Did they invent their stories? Not necessarily. They just have a seriously skewed perception of Brazil as a whole and Rio in particular and leave out some crucial details.

For example, that the sex that they had was not free. In other words, they scored with hookers (called garotas de programa, short: GDPs, in Brazil).

As a foreigner who goes to Rio for the first time and doesn't speak any Portuguese, chances are you will stay and hang out in Copacabana. Simply put, Copacabana is monger central for foreigners in Rio. That you can meet tons of hookers in sidewalk cafes (Balcony, Meia Pataca), on the beach (hooker beach), in clubs (Help, Barbarella, etc. etc.), and pretty much anywhere else in Copacabana is somehow interpreted by these guys as meaning that these girls are not really hookers. Well, they are. The fact that you can meet hookers in settings in Rio in which you would not meet hookers in your homecountry doesn't make them normal girls. This is something very important to keep in mind: there are hookers (GDPs), and there are non-pros.

Most myths about Brazilian women are perpetuated by guys who fail to make that crucial distinction. That being said, I will try to answer your questions individually.

Are most Brazilian women bi-sexual? It seems, from stories I have heard from friends who have visited, that most like girls and have no problem with eating a girl out and helping there boyfriend pick up another girl.

I have never seen any statistics showing that Brazil has a higher percentage of bisexual women than anywhere else, and I don't see a reason why it should be that way. As to your friends stories, again: they were with hookers. From personal experience, let me tell you that Brazilian non-pros are very possessive and jealous of their BFs, and it's highly unlikely they would help their boyfriend pick up another girl (it's more likely they will kill you than do that, believe me!). Unless they are hookers, of course, because that's what you pay them to do.

From the many Brazilian and especially carioca GDPs I have met, an unusually high number was either actually bisexual or at least willing to engage in sex with women, too, yes. Whether that willingness was an expression of an actual sexual preference or a tribute to their business acumen, I am utterly unable to say. Does it matter?

Are most Brazilian women very sexual and sex is not a bad thing like it is in some Latin American countries?

Yes, most people agree that, in general, Brazilian women are very sexy, sensual, and attractive, both in looks and in terms of attitude. Also, IMHO, they are not necessarily as hung up about catholicism as in other Latin-American countries (with Afro-Brazilian cults and Protestantism playing a major role, too), and they are fairly non-dogmatic about their religions and don't easily mix religion and sex. However, this does NOT mean that they are necessarily promiscous.

For hookers, of course, sex is nothing bad, religious beliefs or not. As a matter of fact, it's a great thing: it's their job.

I will mention another thing that comes to mind right now: yes, Brazilian women are very open to talking to men they don't know and often take the initiative, being very flirtateous in the process. As someone who has been living in Mexico for years, for example, this is strikingly different from my experience here. Many foreigners that are not experienced with things Brazilian take this as an indication that they are easy prey and sexually avaible. Wrong, wrong, wrong... in many cases, it is nothing but amusing, harmless, but ultimately non-committal flirtation. Just because Brazilian women in general may approach you much more directly and sensually than a Western women doesn't mean that they are all sex-crazed maniacs. And as much as guys would like that myth to be true, they are not creatures from another planet.

Non-pro Brazilian women will have sex with a stranger. Its not a big deal?

This is an absolutely ridiculous myth. Non-pro Brazilian women will consider having sex with you as long as they can effectively communicate with you (meaning that Portuguese is essential), you are fun to hang out with, have a great personality, a good sense of humor, self-confidence, and they like you and are sexually attracted to you. Pretty much like anywhere else.

The only Brazilian women that will have sex with a stranger are women that are interested in a stranger who pays for it. In other words, hookers.

If you marry a brazilian girl and bring her back to the States or U.K., she will grow restless and not be able to adopt to the cold weather and the fact that there are no beaches like Rio?

I guess bringing her back to Miami beach in Florida should be a bit easier than, say, Ann Harbor, Michigan. Anyhow, this question is a generalization so gross that it's almost impossible to answer it, leaving out so many essential factors.

But let me tell you this: marrying a Brazilian hooker and bringing her back to your home country is just gonna be as complicated and troublesome as marrying a hooker from anywhere. And then some, for obvious reasons (linguistic differences, cultural differences, age differences, socioeconomic differences, the list goes on and on).

AIDs is an issue in the country because Brazilian men have sex with other Brazilian men and then have sex with girls?

No idea where that statement comes from, but it seems ludicrous to me. Two points for you to remember: 1) based on the most recent statistics I am aware of, the overall AIDS rate in Brazil is only marginally higher than that in the US and many Western countries, and 2) regardless, you should use a condom anywhere you go and anywho you do, especially when doing hookers, so this is really a moot point.

Brazil is a big country. Are girls more liberal and non religious in Rio and ect then they are in inland?

Very difficult to say, but just like anywhere else, big-city people tend to be a tad more liberal than country folks.

The girls that are really really liberal in Rio are the hookers.

If I go to Brazil would it be hard to meet a regular girl? Is there so many pros that it is hard to find a non-pro?-I experienced this in the Philippines.

If you go to Rio for the first time, you don't speak any Portuguese, you hang out in Copacabana, you are not going to meet any regular girls. The only girls you will meet (actually, the girls will find you before you can look for them) will be 100% hardcore GDPs. Trust me on this.

I have never been to the PI, but from what I have read and based on what you are saying (that you had a hard time meeting regular girls), I seems to me that you just went to the regular sex tourist places there, and guess what? You only met P4P service providers. You do the same thing in Rio, you are going to have the same experience.

Just recently, a new thread was started here on ISG (Non-Pro Garotas), and just a few weeks ago, we had quite an extensive discussion on the Rio de Janeiro Board on how to meet regular girls. My two most important recommendations: 1) speak Portuguese, 2) get away from the usual tourist haunts, especially Copacabana. Seriously, if you don't speak Portuguese, it will be hard to get away from Copacabana, and in that case, forget about meeting regular girls. Just forget about it. Stick to the pros, enjoy them for what it's worth, learn about Brazil and pick up a bit of Portuguese, and somewhere down the road, you will be ready to identify and hit on non-pros. But certainly not on the first trip.

What are prices for 24 hours with a pro girl?

As others have mentioned, the Bubba Guide here on ISG is a great way to get general info on the Rio P4P scene and pricing of the different options available to you. Personally, let me add this: with pros, try them out for ST first (one or two hours), to weed out the non-performers. Once you have found a good girl, then try her for TLN. If you really really like her and want to spend more time with her, then negotiate a price for her for 24 hours or more time. Whatever rate you negotiate, however, keep in mind that that rate could easily double when you factor in your additional expenses for feeding her, taking her on side trips, going shopping with her, buying presents, and so on and so forth. Believe me, these girls have a knack for sucking money out of you, so be careful.

Hope this helps,

EA

[David 35]

Hi guys

After some efforts and soul searching I decided to hit Rio. I will be three between 18th jan and 26th for a week. This is my first time and read the lot of posts and bubba boys guide as well

Just got the visa and booked the tickets through AA.

Any advise for a newbie is greatly appreciated

Speak little tp none portugues but I am in a scouting mission as well

Wanted to settle down in latin american country away from my horrible EX.

Muito obrigad

[Java Man]

Hi guys. I have been getting more interested in Brazil as time goes by. When I travel I have usually stayed in the Spanish Speaking countries, not counting a trip to the Philippines. But Brazil just fascinates me. Maybe they myths that do but I want to know. Here are some questions I want to know if are true.

Are most Brazilian women bi-sexual? It seems, from stories I have heard from friends who have visited, that most like girls and have no problem with eating a girl out and helping there boyfriend pick up another girl.

Are most Brazilian women very sexual and sex is not a bad thing like it is in some Latin American countries.?

non-pro Brazilian women will have sex with a stranger. Its not a big deal?

If you marry a brazilian girl and bring her back to the States or U.K., she will grow restless and not be able to adopt to the cold weather and the fact that there are no beaches like Rio?

AIDs is an issue in the country because Brazilian men have sex with other Brazilian men and then have sex with girls?

Obviously there is a lot of generalization in these questions. Brazil is a big country. Are girls more liberal and non religious in Rio and ect then they are in inland?

If I go to Brazil would it be hard to meet a regular girl? Is there so many pros that it is hard to find a non-pro?-I experienced this in the Philippines.

What are prices for 24 hours with a pro girl? Thanks guys I appreciate all the help I can get.

I got a lil time

1. False. Many, not most.
2. True.
3. False. Maybe, after several dates. Chances improve if you speak Portuguese fluently.
4. True.
5. Huh?! Where did you hear that? I would say False.
6. I don't know. I'd guess True.
7. False. Easy if you speak fluent Portuguese.
8. False. Non-pros are everywhere. Fluent Portuguese required.
9. Negotiate prices, Portuguese required. Wild guess R50/hr....R1200...hmmm....that might be to high.

Nodd_N is right, invest some time and RTFF. Also read Bubba's guide. There's also a search function to make it easier.

[Illini333]

Im sure I will but this is a huge forum. The biggest one on the site. I thought maybe someone could explain it if they had the time.

Illini333..... read the forums and you will find the answers to all your questions there........

[Mr Enternational]

I have been cheated lot of money by these abortions in Brasil, two times. I have to write reports of these sometimes for others to be not as stupid as me.

Just word of warning: don't do sex with the girls without condoms. You can get fatal sickness of course, but more probable risk is following: You are back on your own country, girl contacts you and says she is pregnant

No problem dude. This ex-pro who is a good friend of mine now tried to pull that on me when we first met. She told me that she needed $x to go to the doctor because she was pregnant with my baby. I pretended to be very excited and asked her when the appointment was because I would like to return to Rio so that we could go to the doctor together. She never mentioned it again.

[Trippleecks]

Illini333..... read the forums and you will find the answers to all your questions there........

[Illini333]

Hi guys. I have been getting more interested in Brazil as time goes by. When I travel I have usually stayed in the Spanish Speaking countries, not counting a trip to the Philippines. But Brazil just fascinates me. Maybe they myths that do but I want to know. Here are some questions I want to know if are true.

Are most Brazilian women bi-sexual? It seems, from stories I have heard from friends who have visited, that most like girls and have no problem with eating a girl out and helping there boyfriend pick up another girl.

Are most Brazilian women very sexual and sex is not a bad thing like it is in some Latin American countries.?

non-pro Brazilian women will have sex with a stranger. Its not a big deal?

If you marry a brazilian girl and bring her back to the States or U.K., she will grow restless and not be able to adopt to the cold weather and the fact that there are no beaches like Rio?

AIDs is an issue in the country because Brazilian men have sex with other Brazilian men and then have sex with girls?

Obviously there is a lot of generalization in these questions. Brazil is a big country. Are girls more liberal and non religious in Rio and ect then they are in inland?

If I go to Brazil would it be hard to meet a regular girl? Is there so many pros that it is hard to find a non-pro?-I experienced this in the Philippines.

What are prices for 24 hours with a pro girl? Thanks guys I appreciate all the help I can get.

[Jesuscola]

Hey guys,

I've been mongering for quite a while, mostly in northern South America and all Central America.

Never been to Brazil but that's about to change.

My question is: I speak very good spanish, I imagine I'll pick up portuguese as I go. Do most most chicas understand spanish though, at least somewhat?
Is the language similar?

Thanx! Happy New Year

Speaking Portuguese, but not Spanish, I find I am able to understand Spanish speakers, and they, me, at about a 50/50 ratio. I navigated Buenos Aires fairly well with just Portuguese.

OTOH, a friend of mine who speaks very good Spanish visited Rio and said that people seemed to understand him fairly well, but he couldn't understand them very well at all.

Just Spanish is not ideal, but you should get by.

[Ricker]

Yep to both questions. But working the other way around I have a friend who went to the DR a few weeks ago. He only spoke Portuguese and English. He said by the second day somehow he was able to flow with Spanish. By that same token my first time in Colombia I was able to understand Spanish because I already knew Portuguese. A big difference is many of the words will be spelled the same but may have different pronunciations. But seeing that they are both Latin based you should not have a big problem, especially with reading, because they generally have the same roots.

Muchas gracias amigo!

or ... should I say muito obrigado!

I'm learning already

[Mr Enternational]

Hey guys,
My question is: I speak very good spanish, I imagine I'll pick up portuguese as I go. Do most most chicas understand spanish though, at least somewhat?
Is the language similar?
Thanx! Happy New Year

Yep to both questions. But working the other way around I have a friend who went to the DR a few weeks ago. He only spoke Portuguese and English. He said by the second day somehow he was able to flow with Spanish. By that same token my first time in Colombia I was able to understand Spanish because I already knew Portuguese. A big difference is many of the words will be spelled the same but may have different pronunciations. But seeing that they are both Latin based you should not have a big problem, especially with reading, because they generally have the same roots.

[Hitmanm3]

Hey guys,

I've been mongering for quite a while, mostly in northern South America and all Central America.

Never been to Brazil but that's about to change.

My question is: I speak very good spanish, I imagine I'll pick up portuguese as I go. Do most most chicas understand spanish though, at least somewhat?
Is the language similar?

Thanx! Happy New Year

I would say it does help to speake spanish to understand some of their words and some what of what they say. To put it to you this way 45% of portugese sounds spanish. Take a course or buy the cd by pimsleur wich help me alot. I speake spanish but their is a difference in the way you speake both languages.

[Ricker]

Hey guys,

I've been mongering for quite a while, mostly in northern South America and all Central America.

Never been to Brazil but that's about to change.

My question is: I speak very good spanish, I imagine I'll pick up portuguese as I go. Do most most chicas understand spanish though, at least somewhat?
Is the language similar?

Thanx! Happy New Year

[Trippleecks]

Another point to consider is if your passport has only 6 months to say 3 or 4 years before it expires. There is a good chance you will not be issued a 5 year visa.. Best to try and get a new passport..