2007 South China - Dongguan

[Weelock]

Last March I took a girl out of one of the shops behind the Hui Mei, and when I went into the bathroom I heard the locks on my luggage being unsnapped. I came out and caught her, rifling through the stuff (there was actually nothing worth stealing). I kicked her out immediately with no money at all and then walked behind her to her shop, where I told her mama-san, mostly through mime, that she'd tried to steal from me.

The mama hauled off and slapped her open-handed, so hard her head whipped around. She immediately burst into tears.

I have to admit that I had conflicting feelings about it. I wanted the mama to know, but I didn't particularly want the girl slapped around.

Not sure I'd do it the same way again.

RS

Did you get a refund of the mamasan share or an exchange?

I posted about this about a month ago. We were taking a shower together and the girl finished first. Then about 30 seconds later I finished. I wanted to test her. I left the water running and busted the girl holding my pants but she quickly dropped them when she saw me. You should also watch out for the things you have to pay in the bathroom like the little towels and condoms.

Be nice to them but never trust them.

[Bob Builder]

BB,

CP is not as big as SZ nor as spread out. I've even fecked 4 mommies myself (3 of them still in CP), so I am positive they know who the hell I am (even spoke to one outside the Lucky Hotel last night) and they see me and numerous other guys around town almost everyday.

-CPE

CPE,

LOL, you are sounding more like AG every day and you were the one for giving him crap for making comments like this. Sorry Hoss, I'll make sure that I stay of CP as I'm sure that it is not big enough for both of us. Maybe I'll sitck my little tail between my legs and ask Mr. J for my own thread. Nah, I'm not that thin skinned and this forum is always good for a laugh.

BB.


As far as I know if the gal is a good earner she will be still around but if not she will be gone. Sooner or later the gal will be gone anway. Whether it is because of you or that her business drops off, how can you really tell. I normally have a good rapport with gals I get and sometimes ask what happens to other gals and the story is almost never the same as the mamas. Most gals move on after a few months anyways where they go to another shop in another town where the mama introduces them as "just arrived and fresh off the bus from up north or just finished at some factory in Dongguan"

[Bill Lee]

On minute you are on about not being disrespected, then about thinkiing about how the gal will feel!...

...And you are still worried about how some WG feels after she tried to rob you.

Maybe we have a lack of communication. I have no respect for the girl that tried to steal from me. But I'm not going to make a bad situation worst. In my situation, she complied when I told her to pack up and leave. She wasn't on the phone b*tching to the mommy when accused of stealing. She had guilt written all over her face.

Maybe if she b*tched and denied what had happened, I would have escalated one step higher. But we can't say what would have happened till it happened.

BTW, this is one (attempted stealing) of the first time that this has happened (at least that I know) to me in a long time.

Bob. I think we're on the same level of treatment of someone who has done us wrong.

BTW Santa, I have heard of Viagra Panic Attack but have not actually witnessed until that day at the new #1 shop. That event has pretty much traumatized me for the rest of my life. I hope I never become that senile and old and surcome to V.P.A.

Bill

[Old Mean Dog]

Hey Bill, Homer Simpson (expat) called you ugly! Ho,ho,ho! Lol

Don't need to tell him, all he's gotta do is look in the mirror. Now, we should discuss proper times and places to pop Vitamin V, one of which, is not in front of the girl as your trying to pay the mommy......

-CPE

[Old Mean Dog]

Well, that's about 7 or 8 of you and what about the 100s - 1000s of other that don't log onto ISG, speak the language and have more mongering smarts that the average ISGer? So they lose their Lao Wei business, we have gone on numerous times about what proportion of business this amounts to. Do you really think they get rid of the gals? It is more likely the gal has outlived her welcome as customers willing to take her out has dropped off. It may depend on whether the BBS feeds and houses them. if the gal is paying her own rent and food, there is no cost to the BBS and every customer even if it is 1 a day is all profit. I have had a gal that provided dead starfish service but the BBS never got rid of her as she brought in over 6 customers a day. Every one of those guys bitched what a crap lay she was, but she had the look that a lot of the local mongers liked and there a new sucker every day.

As for my advice of throwing the gals' phone out the door, think underarm slowpitch, not Roger Rocket splitfinger fastball against the wall. If you prefer to play mime games in your hotel room with an irate WG, mommy and assorted goons, that's your call. Have fun.

BB,

Exactly what Dan said. I threw out 7-8 random names, but there are 100's-1000's who read this thread, so I don't even have the time to write EVERY handle down of the members I know, let alone all the lurkers out there. I know practically every mommy and shop in town, as do many other ISG members, CP is not as big as SZ nor as spread out. I've even fecked 4 mommies myself (3 of them still in CP), so I am positive they know who the hell I am (even spoke to one outside the Lucky Hotel last night) and they see me and numerous other guys around town almost everyday.

Don't think we don't have status here in CP. Guys like OAH, Moody, AG, Fast Eddie and others have been coming here for a long, long time and are respected by the people in the KTV, Sauna's and BBS's. I assure you if all the guys reading this complain to the mommy about the girl being a thief, she won't last long in that shop.

-CPE

[Dan Hawaii]

Well, that's about 7 or 8 of you and what about the 100s - 1000s of other that don't log onto ISG, speak the language and have more mongering smarts that the average ISGer? So they lose their Lao Wei business, we have gone on numerous times about what proportion of business this amounts to.

But you have to think that ISGer's are EVERYDAY warriors. The HK 500 warriors only come out to play on Fridays and Saturdays. That is only 2 days out of the 7 days of the week. ISGer's support the bbs 7 days out of the week. Think about it. When the HKers come those Fridays and Saturdays, they empty out the shops, most of the time it is LT. So the bbs are sold out, but they only get 1-2 sales per girl per weekend day from HKers. Us, ISGers are fewer in numbers, but we are more horny than the HKers and we give "almost" as much business as the HKer's.... if you want to talk about the bottom line.

Damn, when I go to CP I do 3 girls a day. But it does taper off in the later days of my stay, to 1-2 girls per day.

ISGers are more than 8 strong, we are around 100+ strong coming in and out of CP all year round. Damn, one ktv party we had like 15 ISGer's.

[Bob Builder]

Last year, I boycotted the Sandy shop that shared the same space as Jojo. I basically boycotted Jojo's shop too. Sandy's shop was boycotted by me because she jumped on my chest and sat on me for over 15 minutes, telling me to pick a girl or she wouldn't let me go.

This time, I'm back going to Jojo's shop and ignoring Sandy's shop. I'm not getting the monkey shit from Sandy anymore. I'm also not telling my buddies not to pick from Sandy's shop. It's their own decision now. Boycott do work, especially when you let them know why.

Regarding the shop with the thief, the mommy Ming Ming, after I told her about the attempted stealing, told me that she had not called the girl back to work the next day. I have not seen the thief two days in a row now. Yes, I will make a stink with the mommy when I see the thief there.

Mommy will always side with money but when a girl is stealing from a customer, mommy will tend to get rid of the girl. If you don't complain to the mommy, they will never know. Also it helps to have rapport with some of these mommies, which in this case I do.

I have an experience with one girl with bad service and the mommy apologized many times and offered me credit for the next girl. I went to her shop 3 times before selecting another girl and she reminded me each time about the credit. Since then, she has been truthful about the skills of her girls to me.

Regarding coming to a shop or a shop's employee which has disrespected you, you just don't let people walk over you in life and not do something about it.

Throwing someone's phone down the hallway is going to incite a riot from the girl. Bad call. Really bad call. Some of their phones are not the cheapy types.

What would you do if a girl smashed your phone by tossing out the door?

Bill

On minute you are on about not being disrespected, then about thinkiing about how the gal will feel! I speak the language and almost always make sure that I tell the mama and the gal at the same time what I want and what I will pay, otherwise no deal. No prepayment at all and the gal gets nothing except maybe taxi fare back if no service. I will get the gal to call the mama if she refuses service and tell her she is either going to do the deed or no money. The gal either leaves or does what she is going to get paid for.

Most of the problems I see on ISG would be down to lack of communications skills in the local language. Every monger has different personalities and thresholds for pain / extortion and are happy to pay as much as it takes to get out of a sticky situation, so maybe what I would do would not work for them. I for one do not enjoy being lubed up near my backdoor and have sharp pointy objects packed near its vicinity, but also no what a no-win situation looks like.

As for what the gal feels or thinks, I don't give a feck. Mongering is all about pleasuring me. Over the years I spent enough to double Nokia's shareprice and build at least a few houses in Wunan, Sichaun, etc. and numerous mom's operations, kid brother's weddings, LOL!

All I know is phone out the door, girl out the door! And it is exactly the fact that most of the phones the gals carry are not cheap is the reason they leave. Like I sad earlier, i didn't say throw it as hard as you can against the wall. They are going to incite a riot anyway. And you are still worried about how some WG feels after she tried to rob you.

[Bob Builder]

Well, that's about 7 or 8 of you and what about the 100s - 1000s of other that don't log onto ISG, speak the language and have more mongering smarts that the average ISGer? So they lose their Lao Wei business, we have gone on numerous times about what proportion of business this amounts to. Do you really think they get rid of the gals? It is more likely the gal has outlived her welcome as customers willing to take her out has dropped off. It may depend on whether the BBS feeds and houses them. if the gal is paying her own rent and food, there is no cost to the BBS and every customer even if it is 1 a day is all profit. I have had a gal that provided dead starfish service but the BBS never got rid of her as she brought in over 6 customers a day. Every one of those guys bitched what a crap lay she was, but she had the look that a lot of the local mongers liked and there a new sucker every day.

As for my advice of throwing the gals' phone out the door, think underarm slowpitch, not Roger Rocket splitfinger fastball against the wall. If you prefer to play mime games in your hotel room with an irate WG, mommy and assorted goons, that's your call. Have fun.

[Old Mean Dog]

By the sounds of it, you guys are going to run out of BBS shops to go to by the new year if you start boycotting every single one where one of the gals or the mommies pisses you off for some reason or other.

As for the Marcel Marceau impersonators, I think if you don't speak the language you are going to put up with whatever shit you are going to get.

One easy way of getting someone out of your room and not have people gang up on you, grab her fecking phone before she calls anyone and throw it down the corridor of the hotel. What's the point of letting her call someone whose going to side with the gal and see how much money they can extract from you once there in your room.

Naw, it's called "Cycling". There is enough shops and girls here to rotate pulling from different shops that it won't damage your play. Shit, all the shops are pretty much the same anyway and the service is not based on the shop, but rather the girl you choose.

Think about this; Bill Lee catches a thief, he reports it on ISG and to the mommy, all read it, and take heed. OAH goes to this shop and tell the mommy the girl is bad, then Santa goes and say the same thing, then CPExpat, Wadman, Fast Eddie, SE Asia Joe, Sukimvetter and numerous other mongers who read ISG and come to CP. The mom is like "how the feck do all these guys know this shit?" and realize it maybe bad mojo to keep her around, since so many guys seem to know about this incident. Ahh yes, the power of ISG!

I also agree with others, I am not going to damage their belongings, just tell the girl to turn the damn phone off!

Why some guys go to a country , purely for mongering, and don't even learn the basics of communication and simple cultural things (or even take a fecking phrase book with them) is beyond me.

-CPE

BTW: Bill, is Monkey Shit worse than Bullshit?

[Santa]

Damn, my eyes are bad and can't find my friggin glasses. Did Bill say last year he boycocked Sandy? And now he's not getting monkey shit? Yikes!

[Mike666]

Hi,

I have never been to DG/ CP but will shortly have a chance. Really appreciate all your reports and info. I read from another forum the police in Dongguan and CP is closing down BBS and SN left and right. Could anyone confirm that?

Thank you

[Bill Lee]

Last year, I boycotted the Sandy shop that shared the same space as Jojo. I basically boycotted Jojo's shop too. Sandy's shop was boycotted by me because she jumped on my chest and sat on me for over 15 minutes, telling me to pick a girl or she wouldn't let me go.

This time, I'm back going to Jojo's shop and ignoring Sandy's shop. I'm not getting the monkey shit from Sandy anymore. I'm also not telling my buddies not to pick from Sandy's shop. It's their own decision now. Boycott do work, especially when you let them know why.

Regarding the shop with the thief, the mommy Ming Ming, after I told her about the attempted stealing, told me that she had not called the girl back to work the next day. I have not seen the thief two days in a row now. Yes, I will make a stink with the mommy when I see the thief there.

Mommy will always side with money but when a girl is stealing from a customer, mommy will tend to get rid of the girl. If you don't complain to the mommy, they will never know. Also it helps to have rapport with some of these mommies, which in this case I do.

I have an experience with one girl with bad service and the mommy apologized many times and offered me credit for the next girl. I went to her shop 3 times before selecting another girl and she reminded me each time about the credit. Since then, she has been truthful about the skills of her girls to me.

Regarding coming to a shop or a shop's employee which has disrespected you, you just don't let people walk over you in life and not do something about it.

Throwing someone's phone down the hallway is going to incite a riot from the girl. Bad call. Really bad call. Some of their phones are not the cheapy types.

What would you do if a girl smashed your phone by tossing out the door?

Bill

By the sounds of it, you guys are going to run out of BBS shops to go to by the new year if you start boycotting every single one where one of the gals or the mommies pisses you off for some reason or other.


One easy way of getting someone out of your room and not have people gang up on you, grab her fecking phone before she calls anyone and throw it down the corridor of the hotel. What's the point of letting her call someone whose going to side with the gal and see how much money they can extract from you once there in your room.

[Bob Builder]

By the sounds of it, you guys are going to run out of BBS shops to go to by the new year if you start boycotting every single one where one of the gals or the mommies pisses you off for some reason or other.

As for the Marcel Marceau impersonators, I think if you don't speak the language you are going to put up with whatever shit you are going to get.

One easy way of getting someone out of your room and not have people gang up on you, grab her fecking phone before she calls anyone and throw it down the corridor of the hotel. What's the point of letting her call someone whose going to side with the gal and see how much money they can extract from you once there in your room.

[Santa]

We shouldn't be surprised if a girl searchs the room and pockets when we are not looking or sleeping, we should only be surprised if she doesn't.

Lock it or lose it!

Hey Bill, Homer Simpson (expat) called you ugly! Ho,ho,ho! Lol

[Rising Son]

Last March I took a girl out of one of the shops behind the Hui Mei, and when I went into the bathroom I heard the locks on my luggage being unsnapped. I came out and caught her, rifling through the stuff (there was actually nothing worth stealing). I kicked her out immediately with no money at all and then walked behind her to her shop, where I told her mama-san, mostly through mime, that she'd tried to steal from me.

The mama hauled off and slapped her open-handed, so hard her head whipped around. She immediately burst into tears.

I have to admit that I had conflicting feelings about it. I wanted the mama to know, but I didn't particularly want the girl slapped around.

Not sure I'd do it the same way again.

RS