2007 South China - Dongguan

[Moody]

So who's in town now??? Roll call???

[Santa]

BTW, I enjoyed CP and think that I need to pony up the 20 bucks for the I'm feature in order to hook up with some pros for CP mongering.

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Softy. I tried to send you a private message and was unable to. That angered me! But I felt I needed to ask you not to reward bad behavior and not to overpay, ect. I hope you are not offended, this post not intended to do so.

There are better places to monger in China with a lot less hassle, especially for white guys who do not speak very good chinese. These cheap CP girls are generally low quality and give bad service, and CP is a rather dirty and uninteresting town.

Please send me a PM when you have a membership.

[Bill Lee]

This quote/statement actually came from Santa.

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Lee
Softy, in his report, inadvertantly reinforced the behavior twice.

Hey Guys:

Thanks for all of the replies.

I was just a bit overwhelmed by the agressiveness of the mommies, and as Bill mentioned, probably reinforced that behavior.

[Softy]

Just curious, with so much mongering in China, why so little posts?

Bill

Bill:

Good question. I have posted a few times in the HK and Ningbo forum. I try not to post unless I have something new to add that has not already been posted or have some observations that seem differ. Such as in CP.

BTW, I enjoyed CP and think that I need to pony up the 20 bucks for the I'm feature in order to hook up with some pros for CP mongering. CP.compared to HK, Macau, Bangkok, Shanghai, Pattaya, and other places. Is definitely a place that street knowledge is very valuable.

Thanks for your feedback.

[Softy]

Hey Guys:

Thanks for all of the replies.

As a newbie, I can't blame you for overpaying; but if you RTFF more, you would have known that 450 for your first session is overpaying by 150 if you take those girls from the BBS in the building next to Miraton Hotel. The normal rate is 150 each. So you could have had 3 girls.

Yeah, I realized that when doing it. In my few posts on the forum, I have managed to get into debates twice regarding overpaying by others. My breakdown was 100 to the mommy and 150 each to the girls. I realize it should have been 50/100. I did not mind much because the girls stayed about 3 hours. I also probably overpaid for the girl later that night.

By the next day, I was more comforatble with the scene in CP and paid market without a problem. I was just a bit overwhelmed by the agressiveness of the mommies, and as Bill mentioned, probably reinforced that behavior. I was also a bit uncomfortable with the surroundings, not certain whether there were enforcers near by, but by the second night was much more comfortable.

As I had posted, the number of BBS from the alley behind Hui Mei had deduced from 7 - 10 to about only 5. That place had been raided often and now most of the BBS are on wheels. The going rates of girl in Mobile BBS (Vans) are 150 for ST and 400 for LT.

I missed that post. Normally, I reinforce my hinting information by double checking the board thoroughly upon arriving at a destination. Between connectivity problems at the Miraton and some ISG problem this weekend, I was not able to do my normal scouring. That information is helpful, and would have encoraged me to move on over to the Yalan area - which I did not visit. CP is a very different area than normal hunting grounds for me, and it was an interesting and informative weekend.

Thanks for the valuable feedback.

[Softy]

My second night in CP...

I woke up late and missed the buffet at the Miraton. So, I headed across the street to the to the coffee shop for breakfast.

After reinforcing my strength, I came back to the hotel to happily find ISG back online and/or my internet accessibility restored. I read the forum for some additional advice on my experiences and decided that the game in CP is one that must be played with a bit more agression. That agression paid off.

My first venture out of the hotel at 5 pm was to the Jia Mei hotel where I visited a room on the 5th floor I believe - a man was waiting outside to guide one there. There were about 18, fresh from the farm girls in the room - none of which appealed to me. I politely bowed out with apologies, turned and headed out from the room without giving a chance for a grab.

Once upon the street again, I was approached by a mamma who took my down the infamous alley to a locked up room at street level. Again, not seeing anyone who I wised to have with me, I again, tried to bow out gracefully. Well, the mommies became agressive and I simply shrugged them off agressively and headed for the back door (I assumed there was a back door from my experience the previous day). Alas, the backdoor was there with a simple bolt lock and I was out on the street again in the alley directly behind the Hu Mei.

Once out on that alleyway, I was approached by a humble woman wanting to know if I wanted massage. I said yes, and she guided me around the alley to the bbs alley and showed me into another locked door. Again, the girls were a little plump and farm like for me and I politely declined. She politely accepted and walked out with me whereupon she asked if she could take me to an alternative location. Since she was nice, I agreed. We proceeded down the alley to the end by the Lion hotel, made a left, walked about two blocks to a small hotel on the corner. There was another mommy in the small lobby with about three questionable looking men. The two mommies took me to the 7th floor I believe where there was a room with about a dozen girls Each of the girls looked to be about 19 to 20 years old, fresh from the farm, but not very shy and very playful.

I choose the tallest one in the room, gave the mommy 50 and took the girl to my room at the Miraton. She was awesome, but after about 1.5 hours of playing, bbj, and fucking, I failed to come. She felt guilty, I gave her 100, she took my phone number and promised to make it up - which I did not believe.

Once out of my room, I fortified myself in the Berlin cafe at the hotel and headed out again. It was about 9 pm and I intended to make it over to the night market. I did not make it far after leaving the Miraton before I saw a lovely, tall (about 5'8") obviously northern girls standing outside of the van. We made eye contact, she smiled, I walked over to her and was promptly grabbed by a mommy. It did not take me long to negotiate the mommy down to 50 from 100, I took the girl and off we went. Unfortunately, I was overcome by the silky white skin and height of this northern lovely and did not guage her personality well (a normal must for me). She was a very inexperienced cold fish who refused bbj (once again, I was too hasty to confirm this). I finally tried banging her, but after 40 minutes or so lost interest.

By this time, I am concluding that my week in China and nightly fucking had drained me and I was unable to muster an orgasm. I sent the lovely on her way, although I did pay her 100 rmb. Not too long later, the first girl of the day rings my mobile, and she is in my room 10 minutes later. Another shower (my third of the day, LOL) and off to bed we went. Try as she might, and she did try, I again failed to cum. After about two hours, I simply decided I needed rest, and the girl, feeling guilty, was willing to leave without compensation. I gave her 50 rmb for her failed efforts (I was damned surprised she came back) and she was off.

After sleeping, I was off to HK for some Sunday Laguna action.

My conclusions about CP thus far is that it is primarily a KTV action town with the bbbs action for the overflow of chicks. I did not sample the KTV action because I was there alone. I did not sample the suana action because I get enough of that in areas where suanas are the only action outside of KTV. I also did not get to Yalan, the Swan Lake or the catacombs. But the area around the Hu Mei, which is what I sampled, is one that requires a bit more cunning, a bit more bravery, and more negotiation skills in Mandarin than most might be accustomed to. So, my advice is to try to find some regulars or a native for your first trip, or take really careful notes from this forum before arriving.

Cheers to the great posters in this thread!!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

[Softy]

As a newbie, I can't blame you for overpaying; but if you RTFF more, you would have known that 450 for your first session is overpaying by 150 if you take those girls from the BBS in the building next to Miraton Hotel. The normal rate is 150 each. So you could have had 3 girls.

Also the price of the girls from the BBS behind Hui Mei is 150 for non-foreigner looking mongers and 200 if they smell those money you have in your pockets.

As I had posted, the number of BBS from the alley behind Hui Mei had deduced from 7 - 10 to about only 5. That place had been raided often and now most of the BBS are on wheels. The going rates of girl in Mobile BBS (Vans) are 150 for ST and 400 for LT.

Normally if you are late in CP, you either have to do with leftovers or sloppy seconds. Night Market open up at around 1030 and again if you hit weekends, the stock get taken up very fast. I was there a few weeks ago on a Friday evening at 12am and there were only old hecks left.

Enjoy CP!
AG

Softy, in his report, inadvertantly reinforced the behavior twice.

You are correct. CP is a different animal altogether. I can see why so many of the posters in this thread monger as a group now!! I kind of felt I was in an otherworldly place with its own rules. While every mongering destination has these and I am a long time China visitor, CP seems to have its own pace, expectations, and behavior. I am now the wiser, thans to Santa, Ace and you Bill. Thanks a bunch.

[BambooSnake]

Was in CP late last year with a golf trip from HK..looking forward to a re-visit at the end of july and will be solo so would like to hook up with CP regulars if possible.
My trip last year was purely bunch of guys into Hui Mei KTV sit with girls singing and dice then up stairs for LT. Service was excellent with good GFE. Shower with full wash down and BBJ then onto the bed for several sessions in all positions..very nice. Golf was not so good though.

See you in July,

Snake

[Panzer740]

I was in Chang Ping a week ago and stayed at the Lai Shing Holiday Resortel. It is not close to much action that I know of, but has a nice KTV. I will write about it later.
Does anyone know of a better Hotel? I can speak basic Mandarin, but like a Hotel with English channels on TV.

[Pointpanic]

Just finished wonderful six days in CP. Met Bill Lee, Santa and Reader 123. They were great "hosts" in leading me astray. The Bill Lee guided tour of Yalan was the best tour that I have been on. The ISG forum has a great value in helping us find the top quality for the best prices. Thanks guys for your help.

[OldAsiaHand]

When I was last at the night market, we got some pretty nasty stares from some local mongers. The girls were friendly enough, but these guys seemed to think we should not be there and made some comments about it. We decided it best to split emptyhanded.

I suggest that laowai mongers take along a local or ethnic Chinese wingman to avoid unnecessary trouble.

Just my POV.

OAH

It's that side street on the left, along the main road going to Yalan from Miraton. It's the opposite side of the road, about 30 feet before a hospital on the right side. At night, the hospital sign has an orange like glow to it.

In the last three weeks, I have been there with 3 different mongers at different times and days of the night. Quality and quantity varied each night. The Li Hua hotel is located directly across from the shops. The Li Hua Hotel is the bottom red star on the map. The hotel is now closed. At the end of road is a park, where I have been told and have seen free lancers working inside the park.

I would say that it's a good 20 minute walk from the Hui Mei and another 10 minutes will get you to the Yalan.

I know you don't have a printer but attached is a map to give you the head up on directions.

Just curious, with so much mongering in China, why so little posts?

Bill

[OldAsiaHand]

I support Bill's boycott of Sandy's shop. The last time I walked by there I told her as much. I was there when she started that bullshit on Bill, albeit I was on my way out the door and did not realize that she continued with it. She has pulled the same bullshit on me to the point where I never sit down in the shop. The french kissing is disgusting especially when you look at her and, she tries to bite you, as well. Since she failed to deliver on a BBBSCIM promise with one of her girls before, I've never trusted her again. Frankly, the quality in that place has declined dramatically and Lily is no longer there with her harem of top notch service providers. There are plenty of other venues in Yalan that we are not missing much staying on the ground floor.

Just my POV.

OAH

That's the reason I led the boycott against Sandy's place. She sat on my chest for several minutes and wouldn't let me out. Fuck her, now she and other mommies from the second floor shop are suffering when I'm there with my other fellow mongers.

You got to let these mommies know what you want and not what they want.

Needless to say, you know that other mommies such as Jojo are feeling the effect. Sandy continues to yell shit across the street at me. God fucking knows what she's screaming about.

By going to Sandy's shop now, you're rewarding her. Especially for her surprise French kissing which only some low life would enjoy.

I practice what I preach. (well most of the time).

Bill

[Santa]

But we need to understand the reason for the bad behavior. The mommies become aggressive because WE reward and reinforce the behavior.

Softy, in his report, inadvertantly reinforced the behavior twice.

This is the same reason beggers become very persistent and aggressive. Some of us say no, no, no, and then, after being followed and aggressively provoked for five minutes, finally give them some money just to get them to go away. One guy reported that he was beaten by beggers on TongRen Lu in Shanghai and needed sixteen stitches to his head.

[Bill Lee]

That's the reason I led the boycott against Sandy's place. She sat on my chest for several minutes and wouldn't let me out. Fuck her, now she and other mommies from the second floor shop are suffering when I'm there with my other fellow mongers.

You got to let these mommies know what you want and not what they want.

Needless to say, you know that other mommies such as Jojo are feeling the effect. Sandy continues to yell shit across the street at me. God fucking knows what she's screaming about.

By going to Sandy's shop now, you're rewarding her. Especially for her surprise French kissing which only some low life would enjoy.

I practice what I preach. (well most of the time).

Bill

The reason the mommies are agressive is because the behavior is rewarded.

[Santa]

[QUOTE=Softy] The mamma was quite agressive and did not want me to leave after just looking. They became so agressive, I decided to select from their stock.

the mammas on the main road were quite agressive. Grabbing my arm and simply not letting go. I went to one shop where they locked the door. There were only three girls there and I was not interested. The mamma, however, would not unlock the door and I almost had to fight my way out.

I tried to go with a couple of mammas, but when I decided to look further, they were overly agressive and once again attracting to much attention on the street for my taste. Holding onto my arms and legs as I tried to walk away after politely telling then I was not interested. Eventually, I gave in to a van mamma
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The reason the mommies are agressive is because the behavior is rewarded.

The price in that area is 150rmb for one girl. You can easily get 2 girls for 250 rmb.