2007 South China - Dongguan

[Bnlee2]

TM4,

Where I come from, some people call me a "Banana"! Its not totally accurate, however, sometimes, it fits!
"Yellow outside & white inside"
In other words, pretty mixed up! The skin is pretty Chinese despite being tanned by the sun and the brain, a miss-mash of different things we learn along the way so that in the end, I can't describe it better than "all mixed up".

same here...the correct term is probably "Jook Sing"

I get more asian as i get older.. just my pov

[Crazier]

Crazier , I did read your post where you did counter-quote or advise "One Wing Low" on his post. I am sure most of us took your advise. I can see that you are maybe an Asian man , because in one earlier post , you said you are not a laowai.

TM4,

I did read some of your posts too and they are very informative & shows that you have taken the trouble to understand local circumstances pretty well.

Where I come from, some people call me a "Banana"! Its not totally accurate, however, sometimes, it fits!

"Yellow outside & white inside"

In other words, pretty mixed up! The skin is pretty Chinese despite being tanned by the sun and the brain, a miss-mash of different things we learn along the way so that in the end, I can't describe it better than "all mixed up".

[Tile Man4]

Crazier , I did read your post where you did counter-quote or advise "One Wing Low" on his post. I am sure most of us took your advise. I can see that you are maybe an Asian man , because in one earlier post , you said you are not a laowai. I did read some of your earlier post today and I found them all polite, interesting and informative. You , Sze , Ace, OAH and many more have good advise to offer, but you all you your own personallity. I like variety just like I like my women.

I am the one who stated this shit about walking in public with a young woman. I said that I was self conscience and also felt like a fool. This was only half the truth.

Most young and older Western men (not all) in China and other Asian countries are only there for cheap sex and young women , including me. Rich Chinese business men and Govt officials are doing the same. There is plenty to go around.

Several things that you said caught my eye. You hit my button.

You said, Quote Crazier:
I have asked a few people who sit with me when we observe the "kwei los" at hotel buffets with their "takeaways" and depending on how she dresses / acts etc, a range of verbal remarks would be like this,

#1 "Stupid bastard, she's so ugly and obviously a ***** where the hell did he find her ?"

#2 "Why the hell do they have to fuck them and feed them too? Can't they just fuck their *****s and keep them in the room?"

# 3 "If's funny, these "kwei los" really have a different sense of beauty, we think she is so ugly and there he is treating her as if she was a heaven sent beauty"

#4 "She is a damm fucking *****! Why else would she be with him, if not for money!"

#5 "I hate these bastards, they come to China to fuck our young women with their money."

#6 "She is lovely and beautiful, I am going to find out where he found her and fuck her myself. And ask her why his cock is better than mine"

This is the other half of my story why I don't like to take young women out in public. I don't like to flaunt my money or young women in front of Chinese men. The Chinese man can not see how big my wallet is but he can see my young cutie. Now what Crazier said in 1 through 6 confirms my thoughts. I am also 100% sure that Crazier's 1 through 6 does not comply to most Chinese men.

Don't kid yourself laowai's , a percentage of Chinese men really believe in Crazier's # 5 , they hate us the same way many white bigots years ago (in USA) hated to see a white woman with a black man. Crazier's remark , "Keep A Low Profile" should be well taken. It took me 4 trips to China to understand this. Trip #5 will be soon.

The only difference between China and the USA is , Chinese men blame the Laowai for being with his sister Chinese woman. years ago in the USA the white bigot blamed the white woman for being with a black man. A total 180 degree in thinking.

I have dated a few black women here in USA and I am proud to walk down the street with her. I really don't think that most USA people give a fuck anymore. I hope it doesn't take Chinese men 200 years to accept the white and black man fucking , dating and marring his Chinese sister.

Trust me laowai's , Crazier's #1 through #6 is being said every day about us. I will give you 3 examples.

1, I am walking out of KFC with my woman and her daughter. I get this from a young Chinese man maybe he in his 30,ies. He is with his GF. He called me a piece of shit in perfect English. I told him to go fuck himself in perfect Chinese. We both walk away.

2, I am alone one night in Nanning , I am at the market. I am sitting down minding my own business eating my watermelon. Yes , I am looking for pussy. I catch the eye of a man. He starts to laugh at me. He is maybe laughing at me because I don't have a woman , but he is thinking Crazier's #1 through #6. Trust me , he is thinking , another piece of Western shit stealing our women.

3, I am at the Nanning Airport , with my woman and her daughter again. We need a taxi to the City. The fair is always between 80 rmb and 100 rmb. The very first taxi man said 200 rmb. I say "ai yah hen gui" On no , its too expensive. He said , "ta ma da" Fuck you. Now my GF steps in , she is a fucking lunatic now.

Number one taxi man went to number 2 taxi man and said 200 rmb for these 3 assholes. The word went all the way up the line of the 100 Taxi's waiting for customers. This all happen in front of 4 Airport policemen or maybe they were Nanning policemen. They just stood there and laughed.

I only hoped that one Taxi man had the balls to break rank and give us a ride to the city for the 100 rmb. I would have given him a 200 rmb tip and told him to tell the other 99 assholes about the tip. We took the bus. Do you think this was greed or hatred towards the Western man. Remember Crazier's 1 through 6. especially #5. This was not greed.

There is a big sign leaving the Nanning Airport. It said, Treat your guest with respect and politeness. That sign needs to go up the mayor's ass.

I have maybe 10 more examples of this shit , but I don't want to bore you. I never look for trouble in the USA and for fucking sure , I will never and I have never looked for trouble in China. Only Pussy.

I will finish up by saying this. I see that Miami is the #1 most rude city in the USA, New York # 2 and Boston where I live is #3. I go to New York for business almost every week. I have never seen anyone laugh or insult a Chinese man with a white woman or any kind of different race dating insults. I wish that little fuck in front of KFC (Nanning) would come to New York and try calling everyone a piece of shit. He would never make it back to China.

I love China , the culture , and oh yes the women. yes , I do have some Chinese male friends there, they are great guys. But some of you other men that don't know the culture , language and the ropes of China. Take Crazier's advise or just read Crazier's 1 through 6. Keep a low profile and don't flaunt your money and women. China is a great country with great people , but don't go there and look for trouble. It will find you if you flaunt it.

Just have fun and walk away from the shit that I have told you about. you can't win. China is China and a great place to visit and enjoy. Your Country is your Country and never try to compare the two. I have always used the 10% factor in my life. 10% of the people in this world are assholes. USA ,UK , China , Thailand and so on. Just try to avoid the 10% and enjoy the beauty of the 90%.

Enjoy the pussy , food, stay safe and cool headed.

Tile Man

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[Old Mean Dog]

OWL, I am glad to see you're posting again in the S. China forums, starting my days without reading your posts were becoming rather dull.

But someone ought to show the chinese mafiosi and their girls how the girls at US strip shows could move ever so artfully and seductively to the music in strip clubs and enthralled their clients.

- If you want USA Strip Bar style action.......Go back to the USA, China is China, not the USA. I get so fucking sick and tired of hearing laowai say China should do "this and that" like America or the jackoffs who ***** because they can't find anyone who speaks English.

I am talking about more and more strip bars need to be invested in and open up all over China. The Chinese Communist Party and its government should embrace this idea and start to develop it.

- Legitimizing the criminal element. Good idea, as Craizer said, I am sure the Communist Government will be all ears to those suggestions. Maybe you would like to present your ideas to them?

- Prostitution is for the local people, it has been around in China (and the rest of the world) for a long time. When a BBS is opened in China, do you think it will cater for Chinese men or Foreigners?

- Most local guys are to busy with work, life, to poor or to shy to have a full-time gf and since they are men, they turn to BBS's for relief. They don't need or want strip shows, seduction, or LT with these girls, they just want to take care of their personal needs and be gone. Most locals look down on these girls as it is, and you will normally never see a local parading up and down the street with a prostitute like the laowai and Hongers do.

- The best one you have come up with yet!

Instead of mommies rudely pulling out boobs to be test driven by potential johns, the girls could ever so gently, erotically and legally show off their sexy bodies...that could enhance the values and dignity of Chinese girls so much to the rest of the world in one stroke, and of course, could bring in much more revenue for the girls and China. I, for one, am very sad that Chinese girls are being sold so rudely and cheaply by their mommies.

I am laughing so hard, I think I soiled myself...

- Enhance the values and dignity of the Chinese girls? Did you forget, these girls are in prostitution? They turn to this due to lack of money, survival or because they feel it's a quick way to earn some scratch. 100's of strange men stick their dicks in them and pay them for their service...how dignified is that? Do you not think that other Chinese people look down on these girls and their current profession? You can dress them up anyway you like, but they are still prostitutes and will live with this stigma until they get out of this career field.

- Your very sad for the girls, yet you contribute to your "so called" dilemma by paying to fuck them? This makes you a hypocrite then. If this bothers you so much, stop going to the shops and quit spending your money on sex in China. Open a damn "halfway" house for BBS xiaojies who would feel more dignified dancing nude to music in front of 100's of strange men.

Not that I need to be seduced...hehehe...I have instant erections every time I look at sexy female bodies...

Which brand of "hard on" pills are you taking?


Dazed and confused, but with a big smile on my face,

-SZE

[Moody]

OWL,

The more I read your posts, the more I'm convinced you're clueless....

When you walk into a 5 star hotel restaurant with a hooker, none of the women are "glancing" over at your girl with envy. They're thinking, "thank God I don't have to do what she does for a living," or "I'll kill my husband if he ever does that and I hear about it." There's nobody thinking you're 2 kids having a good time. They're all thinking, "I wonder how much he's paying her." Jesus get a clue.

That and strip clubs in China???? You really don't know anything about Asian culture do you? Thailand has tons of strip clubs. How many of the patrons are natives? Not many. Korea's a democracy and it has tons of BBSes and KTV type places, but hardly any strip joints. Do you know why? I'm not going to explain, but it's the same reason a strip club would never do well in China. That and the fact that Beijing would never allow it.

[Moody]

Just so that you guys don't get misled, I am writing about KTVs where the girls take off their clothes with the mongers joining in too!
C.

This happens at a lot of places. You just have to be willing to tip a little extra. A couple of months ago, one of my friend's regular girls stopped by room. She said she was leaving because the guys in the room she was in wanted all the girls to get naked and she left because she didn't want to do it. Just for the hell of it, I looked in, and it was true. Bunch of naked people were dancing around.

[Crazier]

Not that I need to be seduced...hehehe...I have instant erections every time I look at sexy female bodies...

But someone ought to show the chinese mafiosi and their girls how the girls at US strip shows could move ever so artfully and seductively to the music in strip clubs and enthralled their clients.

Instead of mommies rudely pulling out boobs to be test driven by potential johns, the girls could ever so gently, erotically and legally show off their sexy bodies...that could enhance the values and dignity of Chinese girls so much to the rest of the world in one stroke, and of course, could bring in much more revenue for the girls and China. I am talking about more and more strip bars need to be invested in and open up all over China. The Chinese Communist Party and its government should embrace this idea and start to develop it.

I, for one, am very sad that Chinese girls are being sold so rudely and cheaply by their mommies...

OWL,

While some of us may subscribe to your wishful thinking, the reality is that China is still a communist country with a huge pride of its own nationhood.

Prostitution is perhaps tolerated as and where they want to allow it to happen. However, its not something they want to be famous for as a nation. Certainly not as a destination for world roving mongers.

Whatever you see and experience in China today happens because most of it caters to local and returning Chinamen needs, the "moneyed" and those with a will to throw it away for entertainment they seek.

As a foreigner in China, you can wish all you like but, the demands of the market dictates what you are going to get. Provided it is within the boundaries that the local & federal Cong An will tolerate.

Look what happened to Hainan (complete wipe out of the what was then the best mongering destination in China), in Shenzhen (public parade of *****s & mongers) and in Zhuhai (the Japanese incident). Even now, LHL is a mere shadow of its former "glory" when there was truly at least 500 nubile girls strutting their stuff down that street.

Its not that China is totally new to foreign visitors. An event such as the Canton Fair has been there for a long while and we know that providing sexy dancers and shows for foreigners is not in their priority.

Look around some of the "local-style" entertainment venues in CP area e.g. the Crown Prince Karaoke or Jiayi. There is no lack of will in terms of money thrown in to churn more business, throwing relatively big money to earn bigger returns.

Your want for a US - styled strip show is just not in the majority, nor do the strip style clubs produce a fraction of the sales they get in their lavish plush KTV clubs. What you are getting is market driven, believe it or not.

[One Wing Low]

Not that I need to be seduced...hehehe...I have instant erections every time I look at sexy female bodies...

But someone ought to show the chinese mafiosi and their girls how the girls at US strip shows could move ever so artfully and seductively to the music in strip clubs and enthralled their clients.

Instead of mommies rudely pulling out boobs to be test driven by potential johns, the girls could ever so gently, erotically and legally show off their sexy bodies...that could enhance the values and dignity of Chinese girls so much to the rest of the world in one stroke, and of course, could bring in much more revenue for the girls and China. I am talking about more and more strip bars need to be invested in and open up all over China. The Chinese Communist Party and its government should embrace this idea and start to develop it.

I, for one, am very sad that Chinese girls are being sold so rudely and cheaply by their mommies...

CC, OWL,

Just so that you guys don't get misled, I am writing about KTVs where the girls take off their clothes with the mongers joining in too! The Taiwanese crowd like this kind of activity and usually, the travel agent - "guide" know which clubs - mummies can arrange this.

For a short cut, you could try chatting up one of the guys who work at SML the Taiwanese travel agency in the lobby of the Lucky Hotel. They bring in their Taiwanese groups and surely can put it together provided there is profit to be made.

None of this happens in the day time of course as most of the girls are catching up on their sleep or possibly with their toy-boys!

C.

[Crazier]

I thought I had heard from locals that there are 'strip club' in CP, I will ask when I arrive in CP this weekend.

CC1024

CC, OWL,

Just so that you guys don't get misled, I am writing about KTVs where the girls take off their clothes with the mongers joining in too! The Taiwanese crowd like this kind of activity and usually, the travel agent - "guide" know which clubs - mummies can arrange this.

For a short cut, you could try chatting up one of the guys who work at SML the Taiwanese travel agency in the lobby of the Lucky Hotel. They bring in their Taiwanese groups and surely can put it together provided there is profit to be made.

None of this happens in the day time of course as most of the girls are catching up on their sleep or possibly with their toy-boys!

C.

[CC1024]

I thought I had heard from locals that there are 'strip club' in CP, I will ask when I arrive in CP this weekend.

CC1024

Sorry, I mean that in Chang An they provide this service as normal because of the Taiwanese. My friend tells me my regular taxi driver knows exactly which club etc etc but I have so far never found time (meaning motivation) to leave CP thus far!

and in CP, it's possible but I am told will require more money with the right contacts.

More money in CP terms usually means more "grease" in terms of tips for the mummies concerned etc.

Personally, I did go to one KTV in CP where I was told it was possible but ended up 'zero" because my communication was not good enough plus, I did not grease anybody extra too! (that's what I was told as an after fact by someone in the know)!

[One Wing Low]

in chang ping, we were going to shopping areas to kill time during the day time. that time would have been much better spent at good strip shows. never make the mistake of taking the girls anywhere near shopping malls. you will waste a lot of time and money for nothing.

it's funny how chinese girls would be either very prudish, or very slutty, and never anything in between. i haven't heard of any strip show anywhere in china. i would much prefer the good old american strip shows all day while i recharge and reload my gun.

tijuana, mexico does offer this arrangement. between banging the chicas at $20-30 a pop, one can sit all day and all night in strip bars for the price of $3.50 beers. you can also do some serious [CodeWord118] or big game fishing in the day time besides the sex sport at night....

the guys in this china forum should try tijuana sometimes.

its less than an hour's car ride away. if you have a regular seasoned taxi driver, he would know specifically which clubs to bring you too and wait for your return.
looks are lesser than cp but, gems are there to be discovered everywhere.

[Bill Lee]

Anybody want to split a ride from CP to GZ airport, arriving there at 12:00 p.m. this coming Friday?

Or take my driver back to CP or elsewhere?

PM for price and setup.

Bill

[Crazier]

Is Chang An near Chang Ping? Dancing with naked beautiful girls would be a nice past time between shots. I wanna look it up next time I am in CP.

Its less than an hour's car ride away. If you have a regular seasoned taxi driver, he would know specifically which clubs to bring you too and wait for your return.

I have never been motivated enough to go cos I was told the quality of the looks are lesser than CP but, gems are there to be discovered everywhere.

[Crazier]

I never felt it because I feel young, like a kid all the time. So the girls and I are actually equal in most aspects. Fuck the jealous public!

Its ok if they are only jealous but be careful those that plot to screw you out of you ATM cards and more, it has happened to more than one in CP and other venues. A discreet low profile is preferred by me.

The girls love to sample all the food at buffets. Every time I took them to the hotels' buffets, they were just delighted. They would eat like were starved for months. I took this KTV girl Ting Hua to the breakfast buffet at the Landmark hotel in SZ. She ate 4 heaping plates of food, a bowl of noodle soup, then 3 glasses of milk and juice. I dont know, for a little girl, where she stored all that food.

I never will forget the huge embarassment MongerX and I sufferred at breakfast at the Miraton one morning when he had this truly "monstrous huge racked" village maiden & we sat together.

She was running up and down the buffet table & returning with HEAPS of all sorts of food for him and her and even me! In fact she squealed "Wa, bu yao qian" in delight! Truly a sight the 3 of us sitting there - huge entertainment for the people around us!

Naturally the guests were checking out this girl who posseses such a simple and natural beauty. The men were staring at her as she wondered around trying all kinds of different food. God, the breakfast buffet at the Landmark is excellent. The women would glance at her discreetly with envy. We were just 2 kids having a loving good time. She really felt like an innocent high-school sweetheart to me.

It's all a matter of intepretation & perception because surely they did not come up to you to say they thought she was beautiful etc unless you are a mind reader.

I have asked a few people who sit with me when we observe the "kwei los" at hotel buffets with their "takeaways" and depending on how she dresses / acts etc, a range of verbal remarks would be like this,

"Stupid bastard, she's so ugly and obviously a ***** where the hell did he find her ?"

"Why the hell do they have to fuck them and feed them too? Can't they just fuck their *****s and keep them in the room?"

"If's funny, these "kwei los" really have a different sense of beauty, we think she is so ugly and there he is treating her as if she was a heaven sent beauty"

"She is a damm fucking *****! Why else would she be with him, if not for money!"

"I hate these bastards, they come to China to fuck our young women with their money."

"She is lovely and beautiful, I am going to find out where he found her and fuck her myself. And ask her why his cock is better than mine"

After breakfast, sex with her was even more passionate. She embraced me tightly and would not let me go...Seemed like she came a couple times. It really pays to offer the girls some food before sex. Dont just assume that they ate adequately.

My personal experience tells me that in the majority, the sex gets better the more they know you will reward them well financially. The more money on the table, the better they fake it and it becomes real. They do LOVE YOU AND THE PLEASURE THEY DERIVE FROM FUCKING YOU! Yes, orgasm can be brought about even if it's motivated by money.

In CP I was hanging around with Axa, a hot little girl. We would go everywhere for breakfast, lunch and dinner...and noone even seemed to notice. She would feed me the food with a lot of love and care, but occasionally she would look at her baby's pic in her phone. That made me feel very guilty of taking her away from her baby...

Went everywhere for 2 days with a KTV girl in Dongguan. Nobody even noticed.

There is nothing wrong with 2 people showing some love and care for each other. Walk of shame is when you walk around with old, ugly, angry, hateful women.

That is why we all come and spend our money in these places as CP. OUR personal experience and perception of that is how we see it. It does not matter how others see it because our world is OURS.

Just be careful because all sorts of eyes are watching and the CRIMINALS are part of your stage and audience including some of the girls too! Quite a few take our money and run off to Xindi Disco to feed their toy-boys their drugs and happy diet!

[One Wing Low]

I was not impressed with Thai girls after a few visits the last few years. They seem to be hardened and show a lot of mileage; whereas Chinese girls seem fresher.

But last time I got a very beautiful girl in Bangkok for an allnighter. Her skin was smooth, soft and free of any blemish from head to toes. She turned the all nighter into a ST and slipped away quickly after the first shot. Shit. The cost was comparable to China.

Is Chang An near Chang Ping? Dancing with naked beautiful girls would be a nice past time between shots. I wanna look it up next time I am in CP.

The major problem in Thailand is the success of the venues these days. Many of the top girls are too spoilt and it takes more money to

In CP, with the right connection & the right KTVs, you can get the ladies in "see thrus" or in some cases all the clothes off in the KTV rooms. [Chang An in particular who specialize in Taiwanese have all the girls naked dancing

locals for what they are not!