2007 South China - Dongguan

[Neuromancer]

I would come because I am interested in the culture and history, but I certainly would not go to CP if it wasn't such a pussy paradise.

Sloppy seconds I have done, I just make sure she takes a shower and brushes her teeth first. Besides, you can cut out the mommy fee that way!

-SZE

Ok, slightly off topic I think. Remember a time I went with an Indian friend to a strip club in Taiwan. The special there was a NT1000 HJ ($30). Not cheap, but hey, prices in Taiwan are different than the prices in China. It was a reasonable price for Taiwan.

Basically, take you to a dark corner of the strip joint to jerk you off. They were very skilled, they could jerk you off in your pants with out messing the underwear. While she was jerking you off, you could watch the show (this place had some really good girl on girl shows).

Anyway, back to my original point. My Indian buddy went first (there were really only one or two girls who provided the "specials"). I went next. Remember asking the girl which hand she used to jerk off my buddy. In the end, it didn't really matter. I hadn't asked my buddy and even if I did, not sure if he would've remembered, as he was happy as a clam.

What's the point? No point really. But talk of sloppy seconds made me remember this experience.

[One Wing Low]

Making selection of fully dressed-up girls is iffy in KTV and Yalan. You really dont know what they look like under all that clothing.

The mommies in Yalan were pulling out boobies and encouraging the guys to squeeze them. The Yalan girl the mommy 'gave' me did have a decent body but not the sexiest. Her face was pretty. She was nice and sweet. She was a better looking than the Huihoa/Humei KTV girls by a good margin.

I like the fishbowls in Thailand where girls in bikinis sit around inside a glass-walled rooms under good lighting. You can see clearly not only the faces but the bodies of the girls, so there are no surprise.

Or the girls should be in bikinis and circulate among the guests like in party houses in Europe. That would make the guests horny quickly.

Someone should suggest to the Chinese mafiosi in CP to spice up their operations a bit.

[Ace Gallant]

Do you think if there was no pussy here, any one of us would come back to China just to hang out?

We would find another spot to meet where there's pussies. But no pussies, no common ground to meet again.

That's the truth.

Why would we meet? What would we talk about? The old days? It's not like we are all living and working in one place.

Let's be realistic, we met and became friends over pussies.

Beside my friends know really what's in my heart. I give up a good looking pussy to a friend any time and be willing to do sloppy seconds. That's a monger's idea of friendship.

Bill

Bill,

I think you got it all wrong.

1) I am not in China because of Pussy (as what SZ said)
2) We met not because of pussy; we met because we wanted to make friends with common interest and this is achieved by meeting people from ISG.
3) After becoming friends, you still think pussies is more important than friendship?
4) There is life beyond fucking that pussy from the BBS. Are we to say that in life you do not have friends besides those that you met from ISG and to go out hunting for pussies together?

I have a few questions to asked you then;

1) Since pussy to you is more important than friendship; will you say if you were put into a position in which you will betray a friend just to get that pussy, you will do it?

2) Are you to say that you only come back to China because of the pussy? You do not care a dam about all these friends you made in China?

3) You only talk about pussies and nothing else when we meet?

I still think you are thinking with your little head after 2 weeks in China! My POV:

A monger's idea of friendship is not your definition of "I give up a good looking pussy to a friend any time and be willing to do sloppy seconds." There are very much more than that. Why do we hang out together? Just to see if anyone of us is interested in the same girl and do not mind having sloppy seconds?

We all know why we hang out together when doing the hunt; it is for security purpose. We are wolves, we hunt in pack, we will watch out for each other. Although a lot of us are experience enough to hunt alone but whenever possible, we still stay together so that we know that there will be someone watching your back while you are attacking the prey.

Although we joke and hit on each other all the time; but it is still much better than some member here who had spent their life, Antagonizing other members just to prove that they are better. Don’t you agree; the hits rates are much better if you hunt in pack?

Frankly I am a little disappointed by your respond but I brush it off that you had been brain washed by pussies juice in the last few weeks! I’ll stop this topic here as it is getting a bit off the main topic.

As usual:
Enjoy!
AG

[Old Mean Dog]

Do you think if there was no pussy here, any one of us would come back to China just to hang out?

We would find another spot to meet where there's pussies. But no pussies, no common ground to meet again.

That's the truth.

Why would we meet? What would we talk about? The old days? It's not like we are all living and working in one place.

Let's be realistic, we met and became friends over pussies.

Beside my friends know really what's in my heart. I give up a good looking pussy to a friend any time and be willing to do sloppy seconds. That's a monger's idea of friendship.

Bill

I would come because I am interested in the culture and history, but I certainly would not go to CP if it wasn't such a pussy paradise.

Sloppy seconds I have done, I just make sure she takes a shower and brushes her teeth first. Besides, you can cut out the mommy fee that way!

-SZE

[Bill Lee]

Do you think if there was no pussy here, any one of us would come back to China just to hang out?

We would find another spot to meet where there's pussies. But no pussies, no common ground to meet again.

That's the truth.

Why would we meet? What would we talk about? The old days? It's not like we are all living and working in one place.

Let's be realistic, we met and became friends over pussies.

Beside my friends know really what's in my heart. I give up a good looking pussy to a friend any time and be willing to do sloppy seconds. That's a monger's idea of friendship.

Bill

"Things become so blurry here when you're here too long... "

That is because after day no. 7, your little head took over and the big head shutdowns!

You also started thinking that Pussies are more important than friends!!!

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

I think it was a Wednesday night or possibly Thursday, the night of the posting. There were four lines. maybe at most, each line had 60 girls? Maybe I underestimated it by 50 to 100? But not 400 or more. Got there between 7 to 8 p.m.

Your idea of a stunner could be different from mine. I'll gone mostly to Yalan in my CP trips and found that the selection at KTV no better than Yalan. But that's just an opinion.

I used to be a KTV person when I first arrived here in my first 3 years but through the wisdom of Cronin (I miss him) and OAH, I have learned the ways of getting the same thrill without spending the big bucks. Beside, unlike some of yous, I don't have an expense account or are my trips here for business purposes.

Bill

"Things become so blurry here when you're here too long... "

That is because after day no. 7, your little head took over and the big head shutdowns!

You also started thinking that Pussies are more important than friends!!!

Enjoy!
AG

[Bill Lee]

I think it was a Wednesday night or possibly Thursday, the night of the posting. There were four lines. maybe at most, each line had 60 girls? Maybe I underestimated it by 50 to 100? But not 400 or more. Got there between 7 to 8 p.m.

Your idea of a stunner could be different from mine. I'll gone mostly to Yalan in my CP trips and found that the selection at KTV no better than Yalan. But that's just an opinion.

I used to be a KTV person when I first arrived here in my first 3 years but through the wisdom of Cronin (I miss him) and OAH, I have learned the ways of getting the same thrill without spending the big bucks. Beside, unlike some of yous, I don't have an expense account or are my trips here for business purposes.

Bill

Bill

What time did you get to Jia Yi. I usually get there early around 7PM on a Friday or Sat and the room is just packed with atleast five hunderd girls in four or five long lines, like the old Amazon KTV. Im just surprise that there was not as many gals when you went there. Was it a weekday? just wondering. I found atleast half of them were stunners or almost stunners and dress to kill. I was there in late january and can not wait to get back. Hopefully in a few weeks or in late july early august.

We did the KTV route. My friend have a VIP pass. After we choose some gals and while sitting in the room, several friendly mommies selected about forty to fifty stunners up to ask us if we want to add to our current collections or trade our current gals in if we were not satisfy. My standard is to choose two or three stunner and tell them that i just want to go back with one and let the bitches fight over me for the next few hours... in the end i usually take one or do a double fly. I have been there several times and given the circumstances some of these b*tches just get real damn nasty in the ktv room just trying to earn the privilege of going back with me for all all nighter...

[Ace Gallant]

If you guys don't like walking around with the girls, why don't you just have them meet you in your hotel room? I usually have the girl meet me back at the hotel at a preset time. That way, I can go around and look at more girls and see if I see any I like better. You can have them meet you much later too if you want. Once I picked a girl around 5PM, had her meet me back in my hotel at midnight. Funny thing is, a bit before midnight, she called and told me she was coming over. I told her not to come because I was having a good time at the KTV and wanted to take the KTV girl back.

If you guys want older girls, I hear there are a bunch of places in Shenzhen where older women are looking to pick up younger guys. I don't know where these places are, but I know somebody who does. I'll ask her when I get into town.

As Bill put it: The walk of shame. He just hates it when he needs to walk through the hotel lobby with the BBS girl/s

I am sure a couple of us hate it too. I was with JohnnyKon in CP on Saturnday evening when he told me the same thing too!

This is what I do nowadays,

1) Go to the BBS and "book" a girl.
2) Tell mama that you are going to have dinner with a bunch of friends.
3) Tell mama that you will call her after your dinner is done
4) Upon calling her, she is to send the girl directly to your room
5) Do not commit to a ST or LT.
6) Do not tell her when you will finish dinner.
7) If mama ask you estimated time that she should send the girl. Again; Never tell her; just say that you are not sure as it depends on your friends.

Of course if I found someone nicer at the KTV later I can always call mama and tell her that I'll keep her girl for tomorrow as I am fucking drunk! Mamas and those BBS girls do not like drunk customers. They would let you go.

Reasons: If you let her knows the time;

If the estimate time is early evening; she might keep on calling you trying to push her girl out (remember you did not commit whether it is ST or LT) at least if it is ST, she have a chance to sell her once you are done.

If the estimate time is late evening and when another guest come along, she might sell her for a ST before you ask for her.

There are times when you commit to a girl and told mama that you want to the girl on late evening; but later when you call for the girl, you did not get the girl you have picked; this happens when mama had already sold the girl to another person. In such cases, mama would give excuses like; THe girls suddently had her period or the girl is not that good and so she made the decision to get a better for you.

Of course these problems can be eliminated if you have a regular mama that will not play you out. And remember; booking a girl means you pay the 100 to mama. If you do not pay the 100 and expect the mama to keep the girl for you, there is no loyally; she might sell the girl out to someone who would pay instantly, and she will tell you those stupid excuses. I think it work both ways, if you do not commit to the mama, why should she commit the girl to you. It is a fair game. For me; if I see a girl I like, I would just throw in the 100, I would not bother to wait and see if there is another better girl or another prettier one down the road, it is not the end of the world, you can always do the prettier one down the road tomorrow.

IMHO: There will always be one better down the road, in CP, there are also many other customers, you like her but do not commit; you walk away; there will be another person who may come along and take her. I remember telling my buddy; OAH as he is famous for "the hunt" it if often he have to re-consider and re-walked the group of BBS because by the time he decided, the girl he wanted earlier is gone.

Do not worry about the ones you have not discover treasure the ones in front of you. just my POV.

Enjoy!
AG

[Crazier]

Bill

What time did you get to Jia Yi. I usually get there early around 7PM on a Friday or Sat and the room is just packed with atleast five hunderd girls in four or five long lines, like the old Amazon KTV. Im just surprise that there was not as many gals when you went there. Was it a weekday? just wondering. I found atleast half of them were stunners or almost stunners and dress to kill. I was there in late january and can not wait to get back. Hopefully in a few weeks or in late july early august.

In recent months, while the average number of girls at 7pm would be close to between 250 and 350 (by my actual count of the line up from above), my eyes see a normal 20/80 breakdown between lookers and the less attractive ones. As for stunners, I would say the ratio is more like 5/95 as with anywhere else.

But then, beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.

The above merely my personal opinion.

[Tile Man4]

If you guys don't like walking around with the girls, why don't you just have them meet you in your hotel room? I usually have the girl meet me back at the hotel at a preset time. That way, I can go around and look at more girls and see if I see any I like better. You can have them meet you much later too if you want. Once I picked a girl around 5PM, had her meet me back in my hotel at midnight. Funny thing is, a bit before midnight, she called and told me she was coming over. I told her not to come because I was having a good time at the KTV and wanted to take the KTV girl back.

If you guys want older girls, I hear there are a bunch of places in Shenzhen where older women are looking to pick up younger guys. I don't know where these places are, but I know somebody who does. I'll ask her when I get into town.

Moody,

The best quote I heard from a man on ISG was. I don't pay for sex, I pay women to leave. I forgot who wrote the post. Yes, I am self conscience when walking around town with a very young woman, but I / we allow our self to be used.

I too, like to have any 19 year old woman park her high heels next to my bed. But I find that Chinese women can be the most aggressive women in the world. A newbie (Like me) must learn to say no no no. I am new to ISG, but not new to China.

I think, if any of us do an all-nightie for 200 rmb + or. A few rmb with a young woman. She is already thinking about breakfast in the morning, lunch in the afternoon and of course shopping. The latter (shopping) is the most important. One way or another she is determined to get more than her 200 rmb. Just say no.

As a little boy, I thought my name was. George no no. So I hate the word no. When in China you must learn the word no or they will use you. You can't blame them. I only write this post for the new guys who will go to China. So, if any man is uncomfortable walking the streets with a 19 year old. Just bring them to your room and don't pay for sex. Pay them to leave and learn to say no.

Be safe

Tile man

[Bnlee2]

I want to thank WaikikiBob and his friends in inviting me to my first trip to the Jiayi KTV. Did the 200+ girl line up. The girls were no better than the girls found in Yalan area. 1 out of 5, was a stunner. Most were in the age range of the Yalan girls. I was surprised that most older sophicated girls weren't in the line up. BTW, I did the line up just by walking into the line up room without asking for a KTV room. Last time, we were asked to get a KTV room before getting the line up. After entering the KTV section which is on the left side of the entrance, bear right into the large line up room and you'll be able see the line up without booking a room.

Bill

What time did you get to Jia Yi. I usually get there early around 7PM on a Friday or Sat and the room is just packed with atleast five hunderd girls in four or five long lines, like the old Amazon KTV. Im just surprise that there was not as many gals when you went there. Was it a weekday? just wondering. I found atleast half of them were stunners or almost stunners and dress to kill. I was there in late january and can not wait to get back. Hopefully in a few weeks or in late july early august.

We did the KTV route. My friend have a VIP pass. After we choose some gals and while sitting in the room, several friendly mommies selected about forty to fifty stunners up to ask us if we want to add to our current collections or trade our current gals in if we were not satisfy. My standard is to choose two or three stunner and tell them that i just want to go back with one and let the bitches fight over me for the next few hours... in the end i usually take one or do a double fly. I have been there several times and given the circumstances some of these b*tches just get real damn nasty in the ktv room just trying to earn the privilege of going back with me for all all nighter...

[Moody]

If you guys don't like walking around with the girls, why don't you just have them meet you in your hotel room? I usually have the girl meet me back at the hotel at a preset time. That way, I can go around and look at more girls and see if I see any I like better. You can have them meet you much later too if you want. Once I picked a girl around 5PM, had her meet me back in my hotel at midnight. Funny thing is, a bit before midnight, she called and told me she was coming over. I told her not to come because I was having a good time at the KTV and wanted to take the KTV girl back.

If you guys want older girls, I hear there are a bunch of places in Shenzhen where older women are looking to pick up younger guys. I don't know where these places are, but I know somebody who does. I'll ask her when I get into town.

[Mas 147]

I agree with Tile man. Getting older women instantly is easier said than done. When I am in CP and I go to the BBS I always get offerred 18 year olds but if you want to take them out (me 40s chinese) its a little awkward. Feel like a Hong Kong middle aged man. When I go there I get this 27 year old half Uighur and half han chinese girl. Down side, she is pretty loose in the works department. If you want to do a SYT discretely, go to Shenzhen. 150 for 20 mins of young flesh in an apartment. Mas

[Old Mean Dog]

I am a business man here in USA , I always think of new ways to make money. I too don't like walking down the street with a 20 years old. China has some beautiful women from 30 to 45+ . They need to have a ktv for these kind of women. They are missing the boat on beautiful older women.

I have been told by some locals that there is an area in CP with 30+ year old hookers, where they come out for a lineup. I have heard insane prices of 50-100 rmb ST, can someone verify this if you have firsthand knowledge. Sounds similiar to the catacombs, but for the older girls.

SZE

[Tile Man4]

Post by Bill Lee: I want to thank WaikikiBob and his friends in inviting me to my first trip to the Jiayi KTV. Did the 200+ girl line up. The girls were no better than the girls found in Yalan area. 1 out of 5, was a stunner. Most were in the age range of the Yalan girls. I was surprised that most older sophicated girls weren't in the line up. My new found friends picked the older ones (mid-20's) while I picked a cute little Hunan babe. She said that she was 20. Their picks were some that you didn't mind walking in the street with while my pick made me felt that I was with my daughter.

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I am a business man here in USA , I always think of new ways to make money. I too don't like walking down the street with a 20 years old. China has some beautiful women from 30 to 45+ . They need to have a ktv for these kind of women. They are missing the boat on beautiful older women.

This will never happen. Older Chinese men have face if they are out with a 20 year old. Myself , being with a young woman alone is OK. But not going out with her. So , I just walk the streets or visit the shops in the City that I am in. If I see an older woman , I smile at her , make eye contact with her and tell her she is beautiful. I almost always get their Tel #. Its so easy in China.

I was out with a 20 year old in Guangzhou . She wants to hold my hand in public , feed me when we eat. I told her to stop and just feed me some pussy in the hotel. I am sure that many of the older guys like this , but its not for me.

Enjoy yourself Bill Lee

Tile man