2007 South China - Dongguan

[Loso69]

FYI, when I posted the story on another board and talked to people in person, everybody said I was too soft! You guys are such bleeding hearts! Anyway, you’ll get a more balanced view of my CP experiences when I post my detailed reports... the good, the bad & the ugly.

In the meantime, I’m way behind with my reporting. Currently writing about my adventures in Buenos Aires... in May.

Loso

[Moody]

2. Take pictures ma? = Pai zhaopian ma?

I doubt that will be good enough. They'll just assume he wants to take a face shot or something for a souvenir. Taking nude pics is not a common request. Most Asian guys are paranoid about ending up on CCTV let alone get caught with evidence of trysts with a hooker. If he wants to take nude pics, he'll have to be more clear. Something like, "neng bu neng pai huang se zhaopian?"* would probably lead to fewer misunderstandings.

*Can I take yellow pictures?

[Santa]

1. Off/close handphone. = Guan shouji.

2. Take pictures ma? = Pai zhaopian ma?

Ok, it's true that we sometimes get bad service. But don't blame the girls, it's not all their fault. Be nice to them and let her tell her friends that the laowai was a nice guy and not too demanding. If you don't know how to negotiate for this or that, don't blame the girl for not cooperating.

Remember, even when the sex is bad, it's still pretty good.

[Dodgy Fellow]

Was in Dongguan on business last Thursday, and was able to wrap things up fairly early. Treated myself with a trip to the Virgin; since my last CP report I was able to find another attendant here who I had better chemistry with than the last dame I had. So I hoped the same girl was available.

When I arrived the attendant said the girl was out buying stuff. Wound up waiting almost a full hour before she came in. For all I knew she had just finished a session with another john, but I didn't care. For the next two hours she was mine.

She was surprised/pleased to see me back, and we went straight into it. I definitely "click" more with this one. Did FS first (no cum), then took a shower to cool down. Back to the bed and we went at it till we came. Tried to go for another round, but the flesh was weak. It was a good way to end the day.

[Tulip777]

It is probably not a good idea to come to CP on Feb 8. Many of the girls, especially the good ones that can afford to, go home for CNY and will probably not be back in CP yet. Give it another week or so.

There is no problem to walk with a girl anywhere in CP and all the hotels are friendly.

OAH

Thanks OAH. It's the only time I could come. The plan was to take 4 days out of BKK and fly to Shenzhen. Round trip tickets from BKK are dirt cheap. Got my Chinese visa already. I probably should rethink the whole thing. I was looking forward to visiting S. China.

[Moody]

Anyway, guys contacting BBS girls directly & stealing other people’s girls has become a damn nuisance in CP. And it definitely doesn’t help to be a laowai – not exactly the preferred customer!

Loso

Jezus... it's so very easy to prevent this from happening I don't know what else to say except..... just tell the girl to shut her cellphone off.

[Cloud Palms]

Yes, I did have plenty of good experiences in CP. Otherwise, I wouldn't be coming back. But CP has changed a lot since last year...

A fellow monger I met along my travels told me: "1 year ago, the CP girls did everything I wanted. 6 months later, they still did everything I wanted, but I had to insist. This time around, I got what I wanted 50% of the time".

Last year, Johnnykon666 told me that the CP girls provided good service because the mamasans instructed them to do so. That's definitely no longer true in the Hui Mei BBS, where scams seem to be the order of the day.

Luckily, many of the Yalan & Night Market girls still provide the good ole service. But I have a feeling it won't last for much longer...

Loso

Loso,

Again, I sure do enjoy your reports and pics. I've had some bad experiences
as well in CP. The girls would get phone calls from other guys while theyre with me and then want to bolt right away, wasting my time. Or they will bug you for more money while giving you bad service.

While I do agree with the senior members that you should exercise more caution, remember that we're still the customer and theyre the service provider. If you dont get adequate service you should have all the right to complain and demand a refund. If you complain to the mom and tell her that she'll be losing business then she will discipline the girl and other girls will understand when they provide bad service that it will happen to them too.

They shouldnt be pissing off the customer either. Right now its starting to take on a sickening trend like in the west where the women pretty much control everything and use sex as a weapon. We go to China to get away from BS like this. If not for us they would be back to the factories/farms or out on the street. I'm glad you stood your ground those few times and refused to let them dictate whats going on. If you just let them do as they please and also let them steal your money, the rest will do the same to other mongers.

[Tile Man4]

Exactly, we all know prostitution is illegal here! Most of us understand how the game is played and we know how to complain for poor service to the appropriate people, but to brazenly march around town demanding refunds and stealing peoples shoes, is a sure way to [CodeWord140] off the locals and the law.

They allow this shit to a certain degree, but when you start becoming a nuisance, they will either refuse you service, send over a couple of toughs to your room or suddenly you will have the police checking up on you. After all, we are the foriengers here, we are participating in illegal activities and are subject to heavy fines, confinement and deportation should we get caught or you [CodeWord140] enough people off.

If I get poor service, I treat the mommy with respect, but let her know I am not happy with the girl. I won’t make her lose face nor will I act like a bloody fool demanding my money back.

If the mommy refuses to make me a happy customer, I will chalk it up as a bad experience, refuse to pull from that shop and every time I go back on a tour with the crew, I remind the mommy of the shitty service.

-CPE

This is so true about face in China. They just don't understand the Western or USA system............. You fuck over me , I fuck over you.

I have several women fuck over me and make a fool of me , but when I decided to give them the same medicine , it was me who was the asshole in their eyes. It was me who made them loose face , not them who made me lose face first. Its a one way street in China. Its best to walk away and don't fight it.

Where there is prostitution , there is curruption and visa versa. You would be very surprised how high the money flows to the top. Your not going to win.

You just can't avoid the curruption factor over there. If they fuck over you too much , then its best to go on to the next one. It really does [CodeWord140] them off when they loose your business. Thats the best way to get even with them. Take your loses and don't make trouble.

take care and be safe

tile man

[Old Mean Dog]

It's also about the principle for them too. BTW, you might think you're being all clever and shit about your retaliating and taking the mommy's shoe, but you should also realize this is China. Life is cheap here. You [CodeWord140] those people off enough, they'll also retaliate. It doesn't cost them much money to hire a couple guys to "take care" of you. Don't think that kind of thing doesn't happen. A friend of mine got kidnapped recently and it cost him 500K to get out. He's pretty sure it was a girl who set him up.

Exactly, we all know prostitution is illegal here! Most of us understand how the game is played and we know how to complain for poor service to the appropriate people, but to brazenly march around town demanding refunds and stealing peoples shoes, is a sure way to [CodeWord140] off the locals and the law.

They allow this shit to a certain degree, but when you start becoming a nuisance, they will either refuse you service, send over a couple of toughs to your room or suddenly you will have the police checking up on you. After all, we are the foriengers here, we are participating in illegal activities and are subject to heavy fines, confinement and deportation should we get caught or you [CodeWord140] enough people off.

If I get poor service, I treat the mommy with respect, but let her know I am not happy with the girl. I won’t make her lose face nor will I act like a bloody fool demanding my money back.

If the mommy refuses to make me a happy customer, I will chalk it up as a bad experience, refuse to pull from that shop and every time I go back on a tour with the crew, I remind the mommy of the shitty service.

-CPE

[OldAsiaHand]

Loso69:

I have done hundreds of BBS girls in CP over the years and have not had the same experience as you have in your few visits.

I suggest that you ask yourself why you have such bad luck. Could it be your attitude? Sugar vs. Vinegar? IMHO, you are so paranoid about being ripped off, it affects your better judgement. Otherwise, you are just arrogant by nature.

The senior members here are trying to give you good advice, but you are too stubborn to take it.

I never take a girl who is reluctant to do laowai. OK, I have a bit of an advantage because I am a long term, regular customer. Just last week, one mama told me her girls were not afraid of me because my dick is not so big and I did not hurt them. The girls do talk. I remember one BBS in Panyu where none of the girls dared to go with me. Finally, one "more experienced" girl arrived to work and was willing. After that, I did all the girls in that shop.

Yes, I still do get a few complaints about size and pain, but you need to determine whether it is real or just a ploy. I have never had a girl completly refuse to fuck me. A few will refuse doggy style. A couple of times, I could tell the girl was really in pain and accepted a BBBJ or HJ finish after trying a few times to penetrate. Others will ask me to take it slow and easy with penetration. Regardless of the service, I always pay them. The game is hit and miss.

When I walk into a BBS, I scan the girls looking for signals. You can usually tell if a girl does not want to do you by the look in their eyes and their actions. I always pass regardless of how bad I want to do the girl. I know the service will be shitty anyway. On the other hand, the girls that are not afraid will give you a completely different set of signals. The genuinely shy girls are the hardest to read.

I am a big fan of BBBJ so I always ask about this in advance. You can tell from their reaction and choice of words if they will be good at it. Look for the confidence in their response. As Moody suggested to you, if you absolutely must have pictures, you should ask before you pay the mama fee. It may be better if you pull the mama and/or the girl aside rather than ask in an open environment.

Frankly, my biggest concern about your attitude is the perception of laowai that you leave behind. I hope it will not reflect on the rest of us.
I already prefer not to monger with you for fear of association.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Old Mean Dog]

No place at the airport, unless you willing to wait all day and maybe longer, but there is a place on the Luohu border crossing. It used to be that US passports couldn't get a visa there, but that might have changed now. There is NO visa exemption for SEZ. There is visa exemption for passports from certain countries, but I forget which ones they are.

There does exist a special SEZ visa that you could get on the spot in a couple of minutes. It's good for 5 days. Maybe that's what you're thinking of.

I know for certain this SEZ Visa does not apply to US Citizens, not sure if other countries are affected. If you are not certain if you can get one or not, DO NOT come to SZ.

-CPE

[OldAsiaHand]

What will the situation be like on Feb 8, a day after Chinese New Year? Is it worth going to Changping then? I hear a lot of girls meeting customers at the hotel. Is it a problem walking with the girl from BBS to the hotel? How friendly is the Miraton? Sorry for what many of you will consider to be stupid questions.

It is probably not a good idea to come to CP on Feb 8. Many of the girls, especially the good ones that can afford to, go home for CNY and will probably not be back in CP yet. Give it another week or so.

There is no problem to walk with a girl anywhere in CP and all the hotels are friendly.

OAH

[Loso69]

But anyway I think he mentioned that he had 50 previous experiences in CP which were ok?

Yes, I did have plenty of good experiences in CP. Otherwise, I wouldn't be coming back. But CP has changed a lot since last year...

A fellow monger I met along my travels told me: "1 year ago, the CP girls did everything I wanted. 6 months later, they still did everything I wanted, but I had to insist. This time around, I got what I wanted 50% of the time".

Last year, Johnnykon666 told me that the CP girls provided good service because the mamasans instructed them to do so. That's definitely no longer true in the Hui Mei BBS, where scams seem to be the order of the day.

Luckily, many of the Yalan & Night Market girls still provide the good ole service. But I have a feeling it won't last for much longer...

Loso

[Moody]

I am sorry to ask this if it has already been answered here, but I cannot find the info. Is it possible to have a tourist visa for China issued on the spot at Hong-Kong airport, or at any very convenient place between Hong-Kong airport and the Chinese border ?

Otherwise, this interesting rule about visa exemption for a week stay if you remain in one of the Special Economic Zones, does it really work for a laowai ? Or is it someting only for groups or business men ? Anyone knows ?
Thanks

No place at the airport, unless you willing to wait all day and maybe longer, but there is a place on the Luohu border crossing. It used to be that US passports couldn't get a visa there, but that might have changed now. There is NO visa exemption for SEZ. There is visa exemption for passports from certain countries, but I forget which ones they are.

There does exist a special SEZ visa that you could get on the spot in a couple of minutes. It's good for 5 days. Maybe that's what you're thinking of.

[Bnlee2]

I am sorry to ask this if it has already been answered here, but I cannot find the info. Is it possible to have a tourist visa for China issued on the spot at Hong-Kong airport, or at any very convenient place between Hong-Kong airport and the Chinese border ?

Otherwise, this interesting rule about visa exemption for a week stay if you remain in one of the Special Economic Zones, does it really work for a laowai ? Or is it someting only for groups or business men ? Anyone knows ?
Thanks

Erik

read my response on the SZ board. No there is no free ride for a one week exemption. i have never heard of one or do think one exist. there is no free ride. your post does not belong on this thread but either in the travel or china info. read my response and pm me if you want more info.