2008 South China - Dongguan

[SE Asia Joe]

Sorry to hear bad experience by asian bleu ,I only go to ktv with my HK friend a few time since I don't drink much I think the mommie service the regular much better than new customer my hk buddy know the mommie tip them well she always bring the best girl ,most of the time we just go to the flower st at JIa yi and pick the girl without getting a ktv room .

Yes some girl have attuide I just kick them out and have mommie bring more girl and we always treat the girl well and with respect but we never have the kind of problem that asian bleu have maybe just bad luck maybe bbs or sauna is better for him so many options in CP and so little time.

Fast eddie 48

Hey Eddie:
You and yur friends' gentlemanly manners and genrosity is precisely what I am talking about. Compared to the local PRC guys, we are really old softees to these Gals and their Mommies.

If the gals/mommies respond in kind to the gentle way we treat them, then that is perfect - but the problem is when we meet up with Mommas/gals who don't really give a shit about their job - getting ready to go home, working on a "long term sugar daddy prospect", already fed up with other items with their present job, never mind long term - I want money NOW, I've got another 'better' guy I'm working on in the next room/just phoned me up, etc etc. BTW - I see this kind of attitude more in CP KTV's than in other towns- I guess because of how transient this town is and how easily the gals and mommies can move from one establishment/mode of business to another.

Anyway I believe it's these kind of situations that we HKG/Laowais gets screwed up by them on and I believe this is what happened to AsianBleu.

And on using Mommies which you are familair with - yes, in most cases, this is true that you get better treatment - but there ARE also occassions that these same "familiar" mommas will instead take advantage of you - thinking that YOU are giving THEM face! My motto is no matter who I am dealing with, ALWAYS establish PRIOR to the start what are the charges, priviliges etc. the don't mind at all and when things get going, you can then even ask for some complimentary food or booze or whatever - no harm in asking and I usually get something or another. No big deal to them either.
Just IMHO
SEAJ

[OldAsiaHand]

Tightway,

I have wasted a lot of time and money on dinner without scoring but I cannot just tell a freebie I want to do her right from the start.

I think you underestimate the number of girls without an agenda. I think most want more than just enjoyment and happiness from a ONS. Of course, they will not just come out and tell you their intentions directly. As you should know being in China so long, there is a saying about not speaking from the heart; "Koh Si Xin Fei" or something like that. (Native speakers, please correct my worthless PinYin).

I do manage to get a fair number of freebies in China, however, most of the time it takes some time for me to score. That said, I just met one girl on a flight from Shanghai last week. I offered her a ride home from the airport, carried her bag up to her place and the rest is history. I did go to dinner with her and some her friends after the deed, but did not pay the bill. However, I can count on one hand the number of times that sort of thing has happened to me in over 12 years in China. It is usually the former way. I meet a girl and have to take her out a few times before I get laid. Most of the freebies I meet may be older (26-35) and more conservative and have only had 1-2 guys before me though. Frankly, the sex is usually not very good.

So, I don't think what you claim is impossible, it is just the number of hits in such a short period of time with no investment whatsoever is what I think is suspect to many of the members on the board.

Alot of mongers prefer P4P because it is easy and risk free, not necessarily because they do not like freebies. If getting and, getting rid of, freebies was a easy as you make it sound, it might be different.

Just my POV.

OAH

I used to invite girls to dinner, etc. and found that often it is a waste of time.

Many girl like to date many guys and just be invited to a nice dinner, etc.

Since I am skipping the romantic part and come right to the point, i am much more successful in getting what I am looking for. That way I sort out the girls who go for fun because they want fun, and the girls who have more than fun as an agenda, because they want to check out the guy first to see if he is marriage or money milking material.

I have never had any bad experiences with any girls, except the one I mentioned, because she thought she could trick me into milking me.

Why do you think you have to give a girl money if she is not a prosti?

Dont you think it is enough that you also give enjoyment and happiness to the girl as an exchange for her company?

I dont know why you think you have to pay a freebie to be with you.

All my (non ISG) buddies think it is normal to be with a girl and not pay her anything.
We men are worth something too, and we are good company too. Why should we have to pay a freebie girl more than the dinner or the taxi ride?

If she is my gf than it is different. Than buying her gifts and giving her money when she is in trouble or caring about other things are OK.

But than I know that she actually really cares about me and that I can trust her.
If an apperent "freebie" girl thinks she can pretend being a freebie, just to milk me, than she is at the wrong adress.

Maybe than I should send her to you?

Hehe....Just a joke! ;-)

Maybe some of you guys got so used to paying a girl money for her company that you might already have forgotten what a real freebie actually is.

She is more or less free!

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[Fast Eddie 48]

Sorry to hear bad experience by asian bleu ,I only go to ktv with my HK friend a few time since I don't drink much I think the mommie service the regular much better than new customer my hk buddy know the mommie tip them well she always bring the best girl ,most of the time we just go to the flower st at JIa yi and pick the girl without getting a ktv room .

Yes some girl have attuide I just kick them out and have mommie bring more girl and we always treat the girl well and with respect but we never have the kind of problem that asian bleu have maybe just bad luck maybe bbs or sauna is better for him so many options in CP and so little time.

Fast eddie 48

[Shihlan]

This is my experience in Hui Hua hotel's health spa, it was really great experience.they have 300++ in house PRC there in the hotel spa and nite club. So will have difficulty to pick one since all highly rated.hehe.

When i reach the spa.i was brought to a room with big bed.transparent shower room and sauna, then 2 pretty PRC was called in, i directly pick up one which is my type without calling for more chiew keng. She is very cute dressing with white uniform( looks like nurse uniform). After the mummy left, she started her sexy dancing routine,she stripped off her clothing one by one as she danced seductively in front of me. Then she took off my trouser and underwear and grabbed hold of my fully erected didi. I was sitting on the bed with her kneeling right in front of me giving me a BJ with constant eye contact from her. Shame, within few seconds, i unloaded in her mouth. (may be didnt get service for sometimes and looking too much sexy girls in chang ping). Then she smile and say no worry, we still have many times and many style yet to play.

Next she took me to the shower room for a shower together. After she throughly cleaned my body. She catbath me with her boobs and give my semi erect did a great blowjob inside the shower room. Her BJ was excellent as she knew how to deep throat and licked along my didi shaft. After that she ask me to turn around and facing the wall, damn. she start kneel down and licking my ass hole. I was like in the heaven.

After the shower and ass rimming, we move back to the bed. She start performing over 20 skills on serving me. Different way of licking and sucking my whole body, including my didi, fingers, toes, back every inches of my body. I was like the king and so so shiok. On the bed, i was ask make a pose like women doing doggy style. Then she spray some spirit on my ass hole (so cold) and start ass rimming again from behind. Wow.unforgetable. Then suddenly, she put on a condom on my toe, then putting my toe into her pussy, she say this skill is "qing ting dian shui".so funny i never try this before.

Finally it was time for me to FJ her . her pussy lips is very thick and fresh, but i didnt taste it. After few standard position, I finally ejaculated my cum into her pussy while French kissing her in missionary position . The whole session is so unforgetable and enjoyable. I paid her for RMB300 and RMB230 for the room. Well it is worthy for this kind of service for 2 hours in such a nice room.

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[Wadman]

Folks. I am certain this type of behavior by KTV girls happens to a good number of us, but for 2 incidents to happen back to back at the same KTV is just ridiculous.

Simply put stay away from Penn KTV. Unless you want to end up in these type of situations.

Mommies and DJ/KJs have a monthly quota of bookings they need to meet. So next time when they call you asking when you are coming over again, remind them exactly why you are NOT going there anymore.

But don't tell them "NO" outright, have some fun while doing it. Voice your complains and make them believe that there is still a chance that you may return. That way they will apologize over and over again, and maybe even offer some free stuff.

[Shihlan]

This is my experience in Hui Hua hotel's health spa, it was really great experience. They have 300++ in house PRC there in the hotel spa and nite club. So will have difficulty to pick one since all highly rated. Hehe.

When I reach the spa. I was brought to a room with big bed. Transparent shower room and sauna, then 2 pretty PRC was called in, I directly pick up one which is my type without calling for more chiew keng. She is very cute dressing with white uniform (looks like nurse uniform). After the mummy left, she started her sexy dancing routine, she stripped off her clothing one by one as she danced seductively in front of me. Then she took off my trouser and underwear and grabbed hold of my fully erected didi. I was sitting on the bed with her kneeling right in front of me giving me a BJ with constant eye contact from her. Shame, within few seconds, I unloaded in her mouth. (may be didn't get service for sometimes and looking too much sexy girls in chang ping). Then she smile and say no worry, we still have many times and many style yet to play.

Next she took me to the shower room for a shower together. After she throughly cleaned my body. She catbath me with her boobs and give my semi erect did a great blowjob inside the shower room. Her BJ was excellent as she knew how to deep throat and licked along my didi shaft. After that she ask me to turn around and facing the wall, damn. She start kneel down and licking my ass hole. I was like in the heaven.

After the shower and ass rimming, we move back to the bed. She start performing over 20 skills on serving me. Different way of licking and sucking my whole body, including my didi, fingers, toes, back every inches of my body. I was like the king and so so shiok. On the bed, I was ask make a pose like women doing doggy style. Then she spray some spirit on my ass hole (so cold) and start ass rimming again from behind. Wow. Unforgetable. Then suddenly, she put on a condom on my toe, then putting my toe into her pussy, she say this skill is "qing ting dian shui". So funny I never try this before.

Finally it was time for me to FJ her. Her pussy lips is very thick and fresh, but I didn't taste it. After few standard position, I finally ejaculated my cum into her pussy while French kissing her in missionary position. The whole session is so unforgetable and enjoyable. I paid her for RMB300 and RMB230 for the room. Well it is worthy for this kind of service for 2 hours in such a nice room.

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[SE Asia Joe]

I seldom post any writeups on the forum but having been to the Changping scene for the past 2 years now I really feel I need to let other members on this site know my past 2 experience with the Penn KTV.

Folks. I am certain this type of behavior by KTV girls happens to a good number of us, but for 2 incidents to happen back to back at the same KTV is just ridiculous.

Simply put stay away from Penn KTV. Unless you want to end up in these type of situations.

IMHO - KTV gals/mommies do take advantage of us Hong Kong guys/overseas chinese as well as the Laowais.... but wouldn't dare to 'act' up when with the locals.

Local punters would really bust their asses and do NOT tolerate any bullshit; Us furreners.... well, they interpret our more gentlemanly behaviour as "acceptance" and many times just plain ole take advantage of us as we do tolerate much more nonsense than the PRC punters.

I've been with local Chinese guys when they actually beat up gals for the tiniest infraction i.e. not drinking up the WHOLE glass when told to or protesting when the guy gets too gropy. One time I even saw a guy slap a Mommie who was just a bit too tipsy and got a bit loud and stupid when demanding to "give me face, drink with me!" with the guy shouting "Why the hell do I need to give YOU face??!

SEAJ

[AsianBleu]

I seldom post any writeups on the forum but having been to the Changping scene for the past 2 years now I really feel I need to let other members on this site know my past 2 experience with the Penn KTV.

First time to the KTV was on March 29 and the experience was awful. The girls are unregulated, most or all have attitudes, they come in and out of the room as they please without asking for permission. Some even disappear for over 30 minutes before returning to the room. The final straw was when one just decide to bring in her friend into the room without asking and having her sit and drink our alcohol.

As a native Chinese speaker of mandarin and cantonese I address this issue with her immediately. The KTV girl had the nerve to talk back and even scream at me. Haha. What a complete joke. The next step in this case was to call the mommie and have her lecture the girl. The mommie only apologize for the behavior but did not reprimand her at all. That left a dry taste in my mouth. Not to make this worse I asked the mommie whom I booked the room with to handle it.

The next experience was on April 1. Only 2 days after the incident since some fellow ISG members wanted to check the scene. Again, the girls had problems, all wanting to leave early or just simply got pissed drunk and asking for the sitting fee up front so they can leave. The norm is they are not allow to leave until the customer are ready to let them leave. There is no regulation here and they simply do as they wish. This incident eventually got out of hand. One of my KTV girl started talking loud again and I advise her to mind her own business and drink. She refused and started talking back to me, of course I simply will not tolerate this type of behavior and demanded her to down a bottle of beer. She refused and threw a rolled up tissue paper at me and cursing me in Chinese. I then told her to leave the room and her cursing continued. Things got of of hand where she became confrontational and started being physical. Again the mommie was called, this time they all know I am really pissed since this type of behavior happened twice in a row. The PR manager who is in charge of hiring and firing all girls was called in. Situation was explained to him and he immediately took action. The KTV girl was called, told to report to the office right away and was fined heavily and fired.

Folks. I am certain this type of behavior by KTV girls happens to a good number of us, but for 2 incidents to happen back to back at the same KTV is just ridiculous.

Simply put stay away from Penn KTV. Unless you want to end up in these type of situations.

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[Weelock]

I was on a flight to Singapore last year and overheard some guys in the row in front of me talking about the mongering expedition they were just on in China.

To hear them talk about the KTV girls they had met was pitiful. They felt sorry about the position the girls were in and wanted to help the girls get out of it to be their girlfriend. They were talking about sending money, coming back as soon as they could, trying to get them down to Singapore, etc.

My sense was that these guys were extremely naive and very gullible to the stories the WGs had laid on them. IMHO, the KTV girls were playing into this to the limit and milking them for serious cash.

Obviously, all Singaporeans are not like these guys, but if there are more where they came from, it supports the BSD theory.

Just my POV.

OAH

I felt the same way too. When I first visited China, I felt sorry for these girls. Then my friend told me and I found out how much average workers make in China. What KTV girls makes in 2-3 days is what most workers make in a month. BBS girls would have to work more days since they usually get less. Then counting the hours, KTV girls work only about 5-9 hours and it’s mostly BS with guys. A factory worker's life is like slavery for 10-15 hours and, 6-15 days straight. This is one major reason I try not to over tip a girl unless I know her for a while.

If you look at it a different way, they make as much as lawyers or doctors. Their standard of living is different. Then you want to help them to make more money because you feel sorry for them.

[Pleasure Dude]

Hey guys,

I will be in CP from 4/20 to 4/23. If anyone is interested in going to a KTV at night or visit the local shops, please shoot me a PM. I am planning to visit the Prince KTV and maybe their sauna.

cheers,
PD

[Iluvchik]

Visited the sauna at the Kande Hotel in Houjie today. The sauna is on the 3rd floor. We were offerred two types of rooms. One is what they call luxury room on the fourth floor and the other is regular room on the 3rd floor. The luxury room is like a standard guest room with a shower, etc. The standard room is ok size without a shower. We were told that the sevice is the same. So we opted for the regular room for 138 vs. 268 for the luxury room. The room, the shower area and the lobby are all well equiped and maintained.

We were presented with a line up of four girls first. My friend picked a girl with body 9, face 8.5. I requested another line up and chose a girl with body 8, face 9. What she really got me was her sweet smile and beautiful eyes. She was professional in finishing the routine but not machenical. I will give her sex skill a 9 too. The only downside is that she had petite breasts, which probably is not attractive to many members here.

The sauna also offers a session of message for 50. I tried that and it was great. Very relaxing. I had a back problem resulted from playing soccer recently. The message helps, at least for now.

Overall damage, 138+400(tips)+50. Better value than what I can find here in SZ.

[Manfest]

Hi Manfest.

Her refusal is probably a fallout from the Cecilia Cheung - Edison Chen - et al scandal. Somebody mentioned that on one of the forums recently (sorry, can’t remember which forum). BTW, Cecilia’s very hairy p*ssy is sexy. Anyway, your girl’s standards were very admirable, not giving in to the sweet talk of red Maos and your considerable charm. But as you said, this is China, where everything is negotiable, and another girl would have caved.

Good luck with your new toy.

Hi Bob, I suspect you are right. Hope you are thawing from the frozen weather in the north! Thinking about it a little more and secondarily to OAH's comments. Her selective prudeness prohibited her from being filmed. And yet, I suspect desparate enough to to do what she does to make a buck. For this reason, I thought it was a fair trade to offer a reasonable sum. I felt nicely towards her and almost wanted to tip to commend her on the strange moral fortitude. Almost.

This is my mixed feeling. I went to the Northern dumpling place on the corner, and they have pictures on the menu of which type of dumpling. Unfortunately, you then have to pick the meat, which is written out in Mandarin. I randomly ordered the wrong one and it was not to my liking, so I just picked another one, third time was the charm. Many people don't even register this 30-40 RMB mistake and move on. So why not give 30-40 RMB tip... well obvious that my menu mistake doesn't harm anyone (maybe only the cow?), tipping and using money to show caring/express feelings spoils the market for my future entertainment and others. In the end, no need to discuss whether it is cheaper with a freebie or xiajie. However you cut it, they are all just targets and shouldn't get involved emotionally. Again, as everyone knows, it's all about ME, and you shouldn't mess it up for me. (Please don't miss the facetious tone and overlook the humor). Cheers, had a great weekend. Hope to use my camera soon and then blow it up onto a huge ass HD screen.

[Tightway]

I will admit that I am jealous of a guy that can nail 10 freebies in such a short period of time, especially in CP, the P4P capital of South China. That said, I also have my doubts whether it is really true. Not knowing Tightway, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

There are many young Chinese girls that can be easy conned into giving it up to a young, single, handsome, seemingly well off, stud with a foreign passport and the hope of a long term relationship. Unfortuately, I do not fall into that category, nor do I want to lead them on. They are certainly not doing it just for the sex e.g. the "agenda". The ones that just want to get laid are few and far between. My experience with freebies has incurred investment of time and money e.g. dinners, hotels, small gifts, etc., before I scored. I think this is the norm.

On the other hand, there are many WG that are not so direct about the commercial nature of the transaction. Just because they say they do not want any money, they still expect payment. This is what happened to Tightway in the police incident. Others may say, "up to you" which means you are expected to know what is going on. If you try to offer less than the normal rate, they will let you know about it.

Both of the above scenarios can get nasty and even dangerous as has been posted. When you take something with nothing in return, there is a risk of repercussions, financially, emotionally and physically.

Just my POV.

OAH

I used to invite girls to dinner, etc. and found that often it is a waste of time.

Many girl like to date many guys and just be invited to a nice dinner, etc.

Since I am skipping the romantic part and come right to the point, i am much more successful in getting what I am looking for. That way I sort out the girls who go for fun because they want fun, and the girls who have more than fun as an agenda, because they want to check out the guy first to see if he is marriage or money milking material.

I have never had any bad experiences with any girls, except the one I mentioned, because she thought she could trick me into milking me.

Why do you think you have to give a girl money if she is not a prosti?

Dont you think it is enough that you also give enjoyment and happiness to the girl as an exchange for her company?

I dont know why you think you have to pay a freebie to be with you.

All my (non ISG) buddies think it is normal to be with a girl and not pay her anything.
We men are worth something too, and we are good company too. Why should we have to pay a freebie girl more than the dinner or the taxi ride?

If she is my gf than it is different. Than buying her gifts and giving her money when she is in trouble or caring about other things are OK.

But than I know that she actually really cares about me and that I can trust her.
If an apperent "freebie" girl thinks she can pretend being a freebie, just to milk me, than she is at the wrong adress.

Maybe than I should send her to you?

Hehe....Just a joke! ;-)

Maybe some of you guys got so used to paying a girl money for her company that you might already have forgotten what a real freebie actually is.

She is more or less free!

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[Tightway]

I bore easily, so let me change the topic...

Went to Yalan on Friday evening around 8 PM, but thanks to the early weekend rush, no great talent around in the 3 shops (I counted Jojo/Sandy as 2) I visited.

Yeah, I went there earlier at around 3h and there were also no really great girls around.

Maybe a lot of the more beautiful girls dissapear in the KTVs on Friday and Saturday and a lot of the ugly ones who dont have much of a chance to get picked stay in the BBS.

[Tightway]

Why would any of us short time mongers want to look for freebies. If I am in CP for a week I am on a hunt and I am not window shopping. Maybe if someone gets to CP regularly or stays a long time that person would have the time to look for freebies. I can look for freebies at home. CP is the jungle.

I am not actually LOOKING for freebies.

If I think a girl is hot than I talk to her and than she turns out to be a freebie.