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[Syzygies]

Well, a friend describes himself as a traveler rather than a tourist.

I didn't think you were from the USA? In every other country (normal English) it is spelled "traveller".

[Syzygies]

I am not happy unless I get a full PSE out of a gal. BBBJ, rimming, dirty talk, all needs to be there, and oh, she needs to be pretty good to look at and not have a kid.

If she refuses to stop talking dirty, I would kick her out. Can't stand girls that act far too low class. Its okay the kids are not with the girl in the room at Tulip.

[Dreams]

Well, a friend describes himself as a traveler rather than a tourist. The difference being that travelers try to get to know a bit more about local culture and absorb it.

Purely semantic debate. In fact there are "people" and they are different. I consider myself as a tourist, although I do like to know about the culture, the people, and even the language of the country I visit. (currently visiting (travelling? Touristing?) japan, and learning the language. But I am still a tourist, or a traveller if you prefer. Who cares How you or your friend calls me, after all.

[Scorchin1470]

But acting as price police is nonsense.

Best comment I have read for many a day.

I have long determined that when I arrive the money I have will cover my basic needs and regular f*cks, be it FL, bar girls or MPs. Then if I run in to one I.

Want to take back to my hotel I pay the price, and if too high, take a day off to catch up financially.

Even in f*cking heaven you do not have to f*ck every day.

[Luvpuss]

I think we simply become more discriminating and particular. I am not happy unless I get a full PSE out of a gal. BBBJ, rimming, dirty talk, all needs to be there, and oh, she needs to be pretty good to look at and not have a kid. Would not really matter where I lived; those are my expectations.

BTW, have your bowels moved yet?

HAHA, thanks man.

Yes, it was a big hard turd and actually gave me a hemmoroid.

But you guys should know I am always full of shit!

HAHA.

Peace, Have a good day.

[BionicMan]

There are a number of 'old timers' who think that they know the P$P situation far better than tourists. And that the few of them on here think that they can influence a multi-billion baht / multi hundreds of thousand active sex workers.

What they do not realise is that they do not see, in their isolated bubble of living in the past is that the world is changing. Tourists, coming once a year for a couple of weeks / a month know that Thailand is moving on from being a $20 / LT country and that nothing the old timers, sitting supping their 10 Singha of the day can do about it.

Whilst I am in Thailand it is my budget, my money to enjoy my scene that I have created in the weeks before I arrive. And in truth it may cost a tad more but the quality of the sex has not gone down. Maybe as a tourist I just get away from Sukhumvit a little more.

Every plane landing in BKK brings some tens of mongerers, to stay conservative. These are the guys you mention. There are many planes landing every hour and all along the 24hrs. As we read here, some even go to sukh for a bunch of hours of a light connection to taste the ladies. I second your opinion: they come and go and happy to pay the price. The few hundreds of resident and the few tens of them reading and participating to ISG can't be influential to keep the price at their wish. Their preach will reach probably 0. 0001% of the tourist mongerers. Reaching doesn't mean convincing. Useless effort, I would say.
Useful is indicating the price range, the average level to act as a guidance,
But acting as price police is nonsense.

[Traveler1234]

There are a number of 'old timers' who think that they know the P$P situation far better than tourists. And that the few of them on here think that they can influence a multi-billion baht / multi hundreds of thousand active sex workers.

What they do not realise is that they do not see, in their isolated bubble of living in the past is that the world is changing.

Well put . Long timers in any one place soon lose perspective. Things do change.

But fortunately, there's enough variety in LOS for all types. Peace!

[Paul Kausch]

There are a number of 'old timers' who think that they know the P$P situation far better than tourists. And that the few of them on here think that they can influence a multi-billion baht / multi hundreds of thousand active sex workers.

What they do not realise is that they do not see, in their isolated bubble of living in the past is that the world is changing. Tourists, coming once a year for a couple of weeks / a month know that Thailand is moving on from being a $20 / LT country and that nothing the old timers, sitting supping their 10 Singha of the day can do about it.

Whilst I am in Thailand it is my budget, my money to enjoy my scene that I have created in the weeks before I arrive. And in truth it may cost a tad more but the quality of the sex has not gone down. Maybe as a tourist I just get away from Sukhumvit a little more.

I suggest everyone calms down.

I can understand the perspective of the forum members who are long time residents of Thailand. I can empathize with their frustration (anger) with the changes they are witnessing and impact tourism is having on Thailand in general and Bangkok in particular. I recently read that Bangkok is the world's third most visited destination, after Paris and London! On the other hand, I don't think it's fair to attack tourists in general in one fell swoop.

I learned growing up that the residents of a tourist destination tend to resent the tourists, even though they are driving the local economy. They are perceived as intruders who are constantly inconveniencing the residents. And they're unfamiliarity with the locale sure can make them look stupid. But not all of them are stupid, nor are all the locals model citizens.

Growing up, my family was constantly moving. To give you an idea, I attended second grade in three different states without repeating the grade. As an adult I have traveled extensively throughout the world on business. And as I mentioned in the previous paragraph I have lived in cities that are among the world's top tourist destinations. I have learned a few things from these experiences.

Let me share some observations I made during a recent business trip to Bangkok. As we all know the vast majority of tourists are not mongers. They're in Bangkok to see the temples, visit the palace, eat the great inexpensive food (even though they are paying inflated prices for mediocre food in tourist traps) and stay in the very reasonably priced hotels. They're enjoying their vacations, pleased at how far their pound, euro, dollar stretches. They're not worried about paying THB100 or THB200 for something, its only a difference of a couple of dollars and after all, they are on vacation. This, along with the growth in Thailand's (and the regions) economy are impacting prices. I found these tourists absolutely maddening. For example, several of them, who are walking side-by-side across the width of the sidewalk, will suddenly stop in the middle of a sidewalk, pull out their map and try to figure out where they are, being oblivious to the fact that they have suddenly blocked the sidewalk for everyone behind them. On the other hand I saw farangs who sure looked and acted like local residents walk up to a food booth and order food without uttering one word of Thai. Not even a simple sawadee krap or khap khun. Locals, be honest, how many people do you know who have lived in Bangkok for years and speak little if any Thai. Based on my experiences and readings of forums for expatriate residents of Bangkok, this is true of most expats. Who is being ruder? I can forgive the tourists, they're just being thoughtless vacationers; but the expat? Come on, you live here, start using a little Thai. When I lived in San Francisco, I didn't have tourist come up to me and say guten tag wie gehts.

As for the tourist mongers. They're even worse. Loud, rude and drunk; making total asses out of themselves. Having no clue how things work and too lazy to take the time to bone up before their trip. [Now here's a tip guys, when a tourist monger stumbles across ISG asking for some guidance, don't be rude as some of you are, be friendly, help him out, it's in your best interest that he lands here knowing what he's doing. ] Like the regular tourists, they find everything (except perhaps the booze) so much cheaper than back in Great Britain, the States, Canada, and they're clueless to what they should be paying for stuff, so they spend money like there is no tomorrow, which effects the expectations of the local service providers. Pox on them! The tourist mongers that is. But hey, these are just a bunch of ordinary blokes having the time of their life in monger's heaven. I've done rude, stupid stuff in my life. Whom am I to judge?

I fall in a third category of visitors. The business traveler. Business travelers are a unique breed. We know what we are doing. We know the ins and outs of airports, hotels, the locales in which we do business. We make sure we learn and correctly pronounce a few common phrases in the local language, and make liberal use of them. We have to. We're doing business. It's all about making money, which is much easier if the locals like you, and using a few phrases and being able to make some intelligent comments about the city and country sure helps. I often visit several cities, spread across many time zones in a few days. I occasionally wake up in the middle of the night in a panic. I'm exhausted, unable to sleep soundly; I have no idea whether it's day or night, nor what city I'm in. I grope around the night stand looking for something with the name of the location of the hotel so I can orient myself. Not a nice feeling. If I have a little spare time I want a fuck. Often I don't have time to create a well planned course of action. I go online, find an escort, hope for the best and pay the freight. As I've mentioned in previous posts, VIP escorts in New York and London are not cheap! Now that I am doing some business in Southeast Asia again, I am trying to make a stop in Bangkok for R&R. I love the food; I like the vibe; I love the women; and for me, its the cheapest and best sex on the planet. I'll treat myself to one or two of Goldie's girls. Much cheaper than London. I have made a point of learning about the mongering scene. I know the gogo scene and the nightclub scene. I know the differences between the MPs on Ratchada and Soi 24. And I know the prices. It's a natural extension of how I conduct business. Now, if I've had a couple of drinks and I meet a hot girl I may not bargain as hard as I could. I have negotiated plenty of seven and eight figure contracts. I know how to bargain. But why? I ask myself. I'm not going to allow myself to be taken. I know I lose respect if I let that happen. I don't try to get the lowest price, but I do try to get a decent price. I barter a little. I know barter is fundamental to many cultures and can be done in a manner that is fun for both parties. I find a little fun and friendly bartering is a good way to test the girl. If she gets annoyed I walk. If she joins in the fun I've probably found a fun little girl. Then, if the lady gives me a good fuck, I'll give her a little extra. If she fucks my brains out, I'll show my appreciation. Am I screwing things up for the local guys. I don't think so. The local guy who knows the language and the customs as well as a resident should, should be able to differentiate himself from me. We all know there are two prices in Bangkok. Well, I think the knowledgeable guy can create a third price for himself somewhere in between the price for Thais and the price for most farangs.

Thailand is getting more expensive and the baht is getting stronger. Tourist mongers and my behavior are inconsequential parts of what is causing this. Asia is an economic powerhouse. Employment is strong. Wages are going up. Rural birth rates are dropping. Guys, don't underestimate the impact all of those families in Isan who used to have four or five daughters who are now are having one or two daughters will have on the monger scene. When I'm ready to retire, I may wish to settle in Bangkok. I love the city. But I wonder what it will be like when that time comes. For a white middle class kid life in the States in the 50's and early 60's was very idyllic. Sure not that way for kids today. Unfortunately good things don't last. Change is inevitable. And what is good for one person is not necessarily good for the other person. China's rising middle class is having a huge impact on North America and Europe's middle class. But that upwardly mobile family living in a high rise in Beijing, aspiring to buy an automobile may feel that the change is good.

[Goatscrot]

It amazes me how many of the "residents" complain and have a difficult time getting a decent lay in their own city. Maybe its time to move.

I think we simply become more discriminating and particular. I am not happy unless I get a full PSE out of a gal. BBBJ, rimming, dirty talk, all needs to be there, and oh, she needs to be pretty good to look at and not have a kid. Would not really matter where I lived; those are my expectations.
BTW, have your bowels moved yet?

[Luvpuss]

I am a tourist and proud to be one.

Dropping this word as a derogatory insult is, frankly, childish.

I am actually a tourist everywhere I go, and I don't think living in a place justifies such contempt or those who visit.

Gents, stay in your bubble, and continue moaning between yourself.

We tourists continue to do as we please, and enjoy what the world has to offer. And it has a lot to offer, in BKK and elsewhere.

It amazes me how many of the "residents" complain and have a difficult time getting a decent lay in their own city. Maybe its time to move.

[Pita123]

Well, a friend describes himself as a traveler rather than a tourist. The difference being that travelers try to get to know a bit more about local culture and absorb it.

[Goatscrot]

I am a tourist and proud to be one.

Dropping this word as a derogatory insult is, frankly, childish.

I am actually a tourist everywhere I go, and I don't think living in a place justifies such contempt or those who visit.

Gents, stay in your bubble, and continue moaning between yourself.

We tourists continue to do as we please, and enjoy what the world has to offer. And it has a lot to offer, in BKK and elsewhere.

Touche! Well, contempt is a strong word. Many of my good mates are tourists here. Well, most have been coming to BKK for a decade or more, and most of them bemoan as I do. Hey, I will give you, there are more lookers in BKK then there were years ago. Gals here have learned how to dress, apply makeup, and are in many ways far more sophisticated than they were 10 years ago. A visit to a downtown mall will confirm that. Even some of the girls in the late night discos look pretty nice, but when I venture to the "zone" on Suk, I rarely see much that turns my head to tell you the truth. And yes, much if it is that after a few years here one's taste changes. You look at gals you were attracted to when you first came here and wonder what you ever saw in them. As one friend's Thai wife said,"when farang first come to Thailand, their eyes don't work." In my instance that was certainly the case. I just could not get why Asian dudes did not find Isaan girls attractive. Well, I guess my eyes work now.

I imagine there will always be a certain split between the tourist and the resident. Tourists think we are sour old f*rts and residents think tourists are unaware gullible prats. Of course there is a little truth in both those statements. I do confess, most of my good friends are guys that have lived here a long time. Why? Truth be told because when I am with the the topic of conversation is not usually about girls and conquests. When I am out with my tourist buddies most of the conversation revolves around last nights conquest and how "great" she was. I live here with all the good and bad that comes along with that. I am not on holiday. This is my day to day reality. My friends are here, my girlfriend, all my possessions, etc. It is far more than a "playground" for a week or two. So yes, things impact me on levels that don't impact you.

[Goatscrot]

There are a number of 'old timers' who think that they know the P$P situation far better than tourists. And that the few of them on here think that they can influence a multi-billion baht / multi hundreds of thousand active sex workers.

What they do not realise is that they do not see, in their isolated bubble of living in the past is that the world is changing. Tourists, coming once a year for a couple of weeks / a month know that Thailand is moving on from being a $20 / LT country and that nothing the old timers, sitting supping their 10 Singha of the day can do about it.

Whilst I am in Thailand it is my budget, my money to enjoy my scene that I have created in the weeks before I arrive. And in truth it may cost a tad more but the quality of the sex has not gone down. Maybe as a tourist I just get away from Sukhumvit a little more.

Just the opposite. I get far away from Suk, very far, as I find lower Suk has turned into a very dirty area with a very undesirable demographic, and am acutely aware of even the most minute changes in the country I choose to call my home. None of us think we can "change" the market, rather we are dismayed at the very rapid changes in the P4P scene over the past few years. But as I said in previous posts, there is much to like about the changes in LOS. The foodie scene has become quite amazing with restaurants like Smith, Quince, and Surface. There are far more choices in libations with world class mixologists at many of the new restaurants. Dude, cost is one factor but not the main factor. As I have said on several occasions; many guys come to Thailand to "date" working girls not to f*ck working girls, a concept I just don't get.

[Dreams]

Dan, in many ways your last few sentences are correct, and Nic sums in up in the post before yours,"tourists."

I am a tourist and proud to be one.

Dropping this word as a derogatory insult is, frankly, childish.

I am actually a tourist everywhere I go, and I don't think living in a place justifies such contempt or those who visit.

Gents, stay in your bubble, and continue moaning between yourself.

We tourists continue to do as we please, and enjoy what the world has to offer. And it has a lot to offer, in BKK and elsewhere.

[Scorchin1470]

Save your breath, you're talking to a tourist who does not know any better.

There are a number of 'old timers' who think that they know the P$P situation far better than tourists. And that the few of them on here think that they can influence a multi-billion baht / multi hundreds of thousand active sex workers.

What they do not realise is that they do not see, in their isolated bubble of living in the past is that the world is changing. Tourists, coming once a year for a couple of weeks / a month know that Thailand is moving on from being a $20 / LT country and that nothing the old timers, sitting supping their 10 Singha of the day can do about it.

Whilst I am in Thailand it is my budget, my money to enjoy my scene that I have created in the weeks before I arrive. And in truth it may cost a tad more but the quality of the sex has not gone down. Maybe as a tourist I just get away from Sukhumvit a little more.