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  1. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Pita123
    Ok, for all the professors of psychology and sociology out there...

    Do Thais ever say "I'm sorry"?

    Scenario: A man an a TG are having a long distance relationship. Things start to go in the wrong direction. The man says that things don't look like they are going to work out hoping to hear "I'm sorry, you are right, let's work on this together" and instead hears "If you want me to go away, tell me, I'll go away". In the west he'd expect that she's going to try to convince him that she's sorry and wants to make it up or show him that she wants him. Is this a clash of cultures? Could it just be linked to a specific TG who lacks self esteem and has been disappointed many times?
    Forgive my cynicism. I'll answer this from an economics perspective. Long distance relationships are generally easy and cheap for a Thai girl to maintain (requiring a bit of time, which is generally not in short supply). Thais live in a rather dense web of relationship (many friends and potential suitors, including a range of Farang if a girl speaks decent English and is internet-savvy). In the west (USA at least), males have on average 0.2 relationships at any one time, so there is much more emotional involvement, and investment involved.

    She probably just does not care enough to continue.

    Thais in general are not very persistent, put in a token effort, and give up fairly easily when returns are not apparent. Moreover, Thais are conditioned to *never* point out mistakes (or have theirs pointed out), as that would lead to loss of face. Thais rarely honk when they drive for the same reason.

    Deep sincere apologies are not common in Thai culture (not counting trivial ones, e.g. stepping on someone's toe in a bus). They might apologize if it leads to immediate gain, but if they're sincerely inclined to correct a mistake, they'd prefer everyone to act as if the problem never happened.

  2. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by NicFrenchy
    almost impossible to answer...
    Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Care to give it a shot? If the explanation is too long hit my mobile.

  3. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Pita123
    Ok, for all the professors of psychology and sociology out there...

    Do Thais ever say "I'm sorry"?

    Scenario: A man an a TG are having a long distance relationship. Things start to go in the wrong direction. The man says that things don't look like they are going to work out hoping to hear "I'm sorry, you are right, let's work on this together" and instead hears "If you want me to go away, tell me, I'll go away". In the west he'd expect that she's going to try to convince him that she's sorry and wants to make it up or show him that she wants him. Is this a clash of cultures? Could it just be linked to a specific TG who lacks self esteem and has been disappointed many times?
    almost impossible to answer...

  4. #64

    Hard to say I'm sorry

    Ok, for all the professors of psychology and sociology out there...

    Do Thais ever say "I'm sorry"?

    Scenario: A man an a TG are having a long distance relationship. Things start to go in the wrong direction. The man says that things don't look like they are going to work out hoping to hear "I'm sorry, you are right, let's work on this together" and instead hears "If you want me to go away, tell me, I'll go away". In the west he'd expect that she's going to try to convince him that she's sorry and wants to make it up or show him that she wants him. Is this a clash of cultures? Could it just be linked to a specific TG who lacks self esteem and has been disappointed many times?

  5. #63
    Thanks, Fon Tok. I forgot that there are several other types of Tuktuk than the two main ones.

    For example the other day I was in Ban Pie, in Khon Kaen province, and I noticed many tuk tuks that were simply old Samlor (the pedal kind) with a motorbike welded onto the front. This made for a rather long, low vehicle that was strangely at once elegant and awkward.

    I also remember that in Nakhon Phanom and Sakhon Nakhon, many of the skylabs (and they were traditional skylabs), were built rather low and on fatter tires, and had salvaged automobile engines instead of the usual two-stroke. No 'tuk tuk' sound these - they were smooth, powerful, and quiet. Old flat-four Suzukis seemed particularly popular, but also Honda's and Mitsubishi inline-fours layed on their side under the vehicle. Neat!

  6. #62

    Trang Tuk Tuks

    Trang town, down in far southern Thailand, has a fleet of great old tuk tuks.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails trang tt.JPG‎  

  7. #61

    10 baht / 1 hour!

    Quote Originally Posted by NicFrenchy
    However I see less and less tuk tuks around... they are starting to disapear also
    That's because most of them only want to take tourists on a shopping tour!

  8. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by NicFrenchy
    Nope, I really did find it interesting and would like to see a more complate map.
    However I see less and less tuk tuks around... they are starting to disapear also
    Yes, for sure, and its a terrible shame. In Bangkok most of all, but also in many other cities. And in many of these smaller cities and big towns they aren't really being replaced with anything as effective. For example I know that Korat has now a decent meter-taxi service using regular automobiles that I've used quite a bit, but I've never seen one in Khon Kaen, Udon Thani, or Ubon Ratchathani.

    I suppose that it is inevitable that as living standards increase it will continue to get harder and harder to get around in Thailand, until perhaps it is one day as frustrating as the Bad Place. I don't recommend anyone go to the US as a tourist, simply because of local transport (combined with the idiotic layout of the urban setting).

    I wish I could get the attention of some guys who live in the Buri-Ram, Surin, Si-Saket areas to let us know what kind of tuktuk or skylabs are used there. I've been there a lot, but can't remember.. guess I used motorbike taxis or rented a bike in those places. Bumholes, are you there?

  9. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Opebo
    Are you being facetious?
    Nope, I really did find it interesting and would like to see a more complate map.
    However I see less and less tuk tuks around... they are starting to disapear also

  10. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by NicFrenchy
    Well I found that very interesting.
    Are you being facetious?

  11. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Opebo
    Since we expats are segregated over here, I will let my hair down and talk about pointless, silly things:

    OK, we all ride around in tuk tuks in the country side, or at least we did when we were tourists. Do you gentlemen know the difference between the Isaan Skylab and the Thai Tuk-tuk?

    I made a map of which provinces seem to have tuk tuks in the Bangkok style, and which have the upcountry 'skylab', with green for the former and orange for the latter. However as you can see I've not been to many provinces or cannot remember what type carted me around. Can anyone contribute?
    Well I found that very interesting.

  12. #56

    Obscure, Curious, Pointless Question

    Since we expats are segregated over here, I will let my hair down and talk about pointless, silly things:

    OK, we all ride around in tuk tuks in the country side, or at least we did when we were tourists. Do you gentlemen know the difference between the Isaan Skylab and the Thai Tuk-tuk?

    I made a map of which provinces seem to have tuk tuks in the Bangkok style, and which have the upcountry 'skylab', with green for the former and orange for the latter. However as you can see I've not been to many provinces or cannot remember what type carted me around. Can anyone contribute?
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails skylab in kalasin.jpg‎   thai-tuk-tuk.jpg‎   Resized Skylab V Tuktuk Map.jpg‎  

  13. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Peters
    Is there a similar problem in Hatyai? I was there recently and sensed the entertainment has disappeared and left the town.
    I have no idea since I've haven't been to the south of Thailand... Yet. I DID meet a Thai-Malay woman in Nana who was a cutie and a total 3-holer. Worth the repeat!.

  14. #54

    Hatyai

    Is there a similar problem in Hatyai? I was there recently and sensed the entertainment has disappeared and left the town.

    Quote Originally Posted by MeatMan
    A quick thought..

    Why are most Thais afraid to sit next to me either on a bus or a train? Is it me or is this with most foreginers who come to Thailand?. I often travel to Places in Issan IE: Buriram, Sateuk, Surin, Etc and other surrounding areas in Thailand. Yes, I understand that I am tall, and somewhat big. Is it the whole:

    "OMG, Black man!!..NO WAY, HE SCARY MAN, HE DANGEROUS!!"

    I can only assume that hardly, if any have never seen an Black American. Comments?

  15. #53
    ^ Because I have a sense of humor?

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