Quincas in Brazil

[Quincas]

I agree that living in common law marriage for more than 3 years you practically give all rights to your spouse IF she has registered to the same address and IF she is able to PROOF that you have been living together as a couple.

Y'see, this is where Perk is dangerously uninformed. Common-law marriage can now be declared to exist from the moment a couple live together as husband and wife. This can be quite easily proven. Furthermore, Perk makes it sound as if "registering as living at the same address" was a difficult thing to do instead of simply a matter of collecting some bills there. Finally, it will be next to impossible for a gringo to discount a woman's claim of "living together as a couple" when she can probably wuite easily get a dozen or so people to testify to that fact.

Perk's making something sound difficult that's really wuite easy and I personally know about 6 people who've got caught in this bind.

BUT where the hell comes all those other bullshit? No-one can sue you if you buy a house/apartment from someone who hasn't paid their bills. That is not your problem. Brasil is a shithole without any laws and justice? I agree that here legal issues are somewhat confusing, but come on.

Sorry, Perk, but once again you're wrong. When you buy a property, you take on all its outstanding debts. That is why every Brazilian has a lawyer research said debts before buying anything. Yes, you can fight this sort of shit in court. The question is, "Do you want to?"

I have ran into these problems when I have rented apartments whose owners didn't pay to the workers, but never was my problem. Now that I own a property I never even heard anything like that happening. Sounds like Copacabana bullshit. In other areas there are no such problems.

That's because those debts are not leined against the property, but against the person who incurred them. Other sorts of debts are leined against the property.

If you truly don't know this and own property here, you are very lucky. NO serious Brazilian goes into a property deal without a lawyer by his side, checking all this shit out six ways to Sunday.

[Red Eric]

I have ran into these problems when I have rented apartments whose owners didn't pay to the workers, but never was my problem. Now that I own a property I never even heard anything like that happening. Sounds like Copacabana bullshit. In other areas there are no such problems.

In what neighborhodd do you own property?

[Poucolouco]

at the risk of getting flamed for defending people against mobbing, I want to tell some truths

... you can legally buy an apartment and some plumber or bricklayer who allegedly was not paid by the prior owner or the constructor can sue you and take the property away. Or worse, he can sue the constructor, without your knowledge, and then take your property away and you can not contest the veracity of the alleged debt.

When you buy an apartment, one of the first documents you should examine before closing is the Certificate of Real Obligations of the Property, (Certidão de Ônus Reais do Imóvel.) This document is produced by the State Property Registry (Cartório de Registro de Imóveis) and identifies all debts, liens, obligations and impediments to the sale of the property. With this document, the unpaid tradesman's debt would be identified or eliminated from the buyer's obligation before the purchase closes. However, in real estate there exist some unscrupulous sellers and uninformed buyers. Never make a large investment without being fully informed.

[Perkele]

at the risk of getting flamed for defending people against mobbing, I want to tell some truths

Quincas information about legal issues are worth Gold.

If only one foreigner can avoid a US$ 200 000 mistake like marrying or cohabitating with a girl without proper legal property separation, then Quincas certainly did a wonderful deed. I would not be surprised if a judges decision about alimony can be enforced in your home country. So you better be careful.

Maybe at some time he could also warn about labor laws, as you can legally buy an apartment and some plumber or bricklayer who allegedly was not paid by the prior owner or the constructor can sue you and take the property away. Or worse, he can sue the constructor, without your knowledge, and then take your property away and you can not contest the veracity of the alleged debt.


a) Quincas is very knowledgeable. I have not detected one single mistake in what he said here.
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Where do you get your bullshit?

I agree that living in common law marriage for more than 3 years you practically give all rights to your spouse IF she has registered to the same address and IF she is able to PROOF that you have been living together as a couple. Also what comes to any legal actions outside of Brasil, DO NOT WORRY. Brasil hasn't signed any international treaties, so even if you own actual money to someone here and go back to your own country, nothing will be done. No-one helps Brasil, since Brasil helps no-one.

BUT where the hell comes all those other bullshit? No-one can sue you if you buy a house/apartment from someone who hasn't paid their bills. That is not your problem. Brasil is a shithole without any laws and justice? I agree that here legal issues are somewhat confusing, but come on.

I have ran into these problems when I have rented apartments whose owners didn't pay to the workers, but never was my problem. Now that I own a property I never even heard anything like that happening. Sounds like Copacabana bullshit. In other areas there are no such problems.

[Poucolouco]

...It is so true that Monte Carlo is discreet. I remember my first trip to Brazil and Rio de Janeiro, about 4 years ago now, and I was staying at the Oceano hotel that is in Rua Hilário de Gouveia. I didn't know of this site back then and my information of the mongering scene in Rio was very limited. I remember that I had gathered information about some of the termas, including Monte Carlo. First I found L'Uomo in that shopping mall and after a couple of days I decided that I should go and try to find MC. So I realized that it was in the same street as my hotel and started to look for it. I was asking a couple of locals and nobody knew were it was. Eventually I found it and I was so surprised that is was the door next to my hotel!

That's funny. I remember my first trip to Rio and I also stayed at Oceano. I was aware of the convenience of Monte Carlo next door but I had to avoid it because there were about 15 fellow business travelers, some with wives staying at the same hotel. To add insult to injury our Brasilian hostess kept a close eye on us to make sure her naive gringo charges would not get into trouble. On the first night I befriended one of the hotel drivers who discretely drove me to Luomo to make my own trouble. The next night he drove me to Centaurus. One month later I was back in Rio without companions and made my first visit to MC.

[Bdonkadonk]

Quincas is very knowledgeable.

I am rather new to this board and thanks to Quincas (Macunaima) posting here I started to read the old thread "Macunaima in Brazil". I was really impressed with the knowledge that he has and the posts in that thread (from both mongers and Mac). Very interesting discussions and Mac is presenting a whole new perspective to our hobby. I still have 5 more pages to read and I would welcome Quincas/Mac to post more on this board in the future. I hope he use this thread that is his own! I will check back here out of curiosity to see what will be said.

Termas Monte Carlo and Centaurus are in very posh neighborhood... both are very discrete and don't write "termas" on their entrance.

It is so true that Monte Carlo is discreet. I remember my first trip to Brazil and Rio de Janeiro, about 4 years ago now, and I was staying at the Oceano hotel that is in Rua Hilário de Gouveia. I didn't know of this site back then and my information of the mongering scene in Rio was very limited. I remember that I had gathered information about some of the termas, including Monte Carlo. First I found L'Uomo in that shopping mall and after a couple of days I decided that I should go and try to find MC. So I realized that it was in the same street as my hotel and started to look for it. I was asking a couple of locals and nobody knew were it was. Eventually I found it and I was so surprised that is was the door next to my hotel! For several days I had seen people go in and out there, at all times during the day and I was wondering to myself what kind of place it was. I never suspected that it was a terma.
Ok, if this had happened today I probably would have guessed that it was something like a terma, but back then I had no clue.

That is just how discreet it can look from the outside!

[Exec Talent]

I think the thread should have a name that can be recognized. I think it is essential that people who want Quincas info can find it (so far they can not) and those who don't want this can simply avoid it.

I also think Quincas should have the right either delete or to move off topic post to another thread called "Quincas flames" or similar. The disturbing thing is that this thread here 90% is off topic bickering.

Funny how people come to someone's personal thread just to say they don't like to read what is there. So why do you come here?

I don't like certain people's postings. So I either skip them, or occasionally amuse myself reading their drivel. But actually searching for what you don't like, that is masochism. Or joy of flame wars.

Macunaima AKA Quincas was given his own thread because the owner of this forum, Jackson, is smart and knows that all Macunaima wants is attention. He moved Quincas to this thread so if people wished to dialogue with him they could. Have at it!

No one is going to flame him here. Enjoy!

[Brazil Specialist]

I think the thread should have a name that can be recognized. I think it is essential that people who want Quincas info can find it (so far they can not) and those who don't want this can simply avoid it.

I also think Quincas should have the right either delete or to move off topic post to another thread called "Quincas flames" or similar. The disturbing thing is that this thread here 90% is off topic bickering.

Funny how people come to someone's personal thread just to say they don't like to read what is there. So why do you come here?

I don't like certain people's postings. So I either skip them, or occasionally amuse myself reading their drivel. But actually searching for what you don't like, that is masochism. Or joy of flame wars.

[Brazil Specialist]

at the risk of getting flamed for defending people against mobbing, I want to tell some truths

Quincas information about legal issues are worth Gold.

If only one foreigner can avoid a US$ 200 000 mistake like marrying or cohabitating with a girl without proper legal property separation, then Quincas certainly did a wonderful deed. I would not be surprised if a judges decision about alimony can be enforced in your home country. So you better be careful.

Maybe at some time he could also warn about labor laws, as you can legally buy an apartment and some plumber or bricklayer who allegedly was not paid by the prior owner or the constructor can sue you and take the property away. Or worse, he can sue the constructor, without your knowledge, and then take your property away and you can not contest the veracity of the alleged debt.


a) Quincas is very knowledgeable. I have not detected one single mistake in what he said here.

b) if Quincas were Macunaima, so what? If he wants to have two identities, one respectable one and one moger identity, so what is the problem? you should respect that. Most of you also have two identities and don't want Boss and wife know all the details of your Vila Mimosa (or Centaurus) visits. I think that should be respected, no questions asked. Actually, without knowing the rules here, I suppose trying to post and uncover people's identities is probably illegal. And it looks like Macunaima's identity is not hard to break for being almost a public figure.

What would you guys say about feminazis working at uncovering your identity and putting it on the internet?

c) Termas L'Uoma IS in a shopping mall. It is called "Shopping Antiquario" and would bore little kids or teenagers to death, as it only has antique stores. It also is on the very outskirts of the store, but the sign can be seen right from the street (with a little effort).

d) Termas Monte Carlo and Centaurus are in very posh neighborhood (I was in the cobertura next to Monte Carlo and it goes for at least 20 000 Reais per month rental). But both are very discrete and don't write "termas" on their entrance.

e) Bahia has very large percentage of blacks, but of course you find some whites.

[Poucolouco]

I guess your promotion to Senior comes with being quarantined. It's like getting your golden watch upon retirement. Big deal, you get to look at girly pictures. rsrsrs

[Sperto]

A question to anybody who might have the answer.

I read a very interesting and well done work of a gringo anthropologist, "Nossa Senhora da Help".
http://www.scielo.br/pdf/cpa/n25/26529.pdf

The same anthropologist also made a map of the market of female sexual services in Rio de Janeiro, with 304 prostitution sites. I would love to study that map. Does anybody know where to find it?

[Golfinho]

most brazilian men frequent prostitutes. it is a totally acceptable norm in there. most teenage boys in brazil lose their virginity to garotas do programa. also, you will find a brothel in every brazilian town and village. even the smallest ones, where gringos can't even find them on map.

if we are be worthless scumbags- slightly above the level of ****s- as seen by the natives, , then so are 85% of brazilian men.

american morality is the exception in the world. not the norm.

[Quincas]

if we are be worthless scumbags- slightly above the level of ****s- as seen by the natives, , then so are 85% of brazilian men.

tira and perk, maybe you guys should read what i wrote with a bit more attention. i wasn't talking about brazil.

[Tiradentes]

so what we have here are a couple of guys who mostly live in countries where prostitution is illegal, where going overseas for prostitution is illegal and where, in any case, mongers are considered to be worthless scumbags, slightly above the level of ****s.

d

most brazilian men frequent prostitutes. it is a totally acceptable norm in there. most teenage boys in brazil lose their virginity to garotas do programa. also, you will find a brothel in every brazilian town and village. even the smallest ones, where gringos can't even find them on map.

if we are be worthless scumbags- slightly above the level of ****s- as seen by the natives, , then so are 85% of brazilian men.

[Quincas]

I would like to encourage you Quincas to forget all this fuss and continue to enlighten us. Quincas, why not use intelligently this forum for your own social research?

That would be wonderful BB, if I were a researcher.

I'm just monger who's been caught up in the Exec Talent circle jerk club's paranoia.

I think it's funny as shit how I got nominated for a post of distinction one day, then banned to my own thread the next simply because ET has a thing for macunima.

But hey, it's the internet, right? Self-important *******es are legion.