Mr Gogo in the Dominican Republic

[Mr Enternational]

Your trip just got really interesting with the death of El Comandante en Jefe.

Got damn Nordico. I'm like what is this dude talki g about. I usually get the breaking news in email from CNN. This time I read your post before they sent me anything. You need to start emailing me the hot news first.

[Nordico]

Gentlemen I've had it up to here with the Dr. I mean it has been very good to me. I can't remember the last time I had a session ranked under a 7. The Sue on the weekends because that's all its good for and Boca and other areas during the week. I have been giving consideration to my next point of venture. I wanted either Cali Colombia or Santiago de Cuba. After going back and reading about 5 years of trip reports and trying to decipher other posters experience, I decided on Santiago Cuba. Like Fannie nothing turn me on more than an expecting confrontation with new stimuli. Don't get me wrong the blanca young chicas with the long hair do and nice fitting dresses are appealing and have their purpose; I prefer my chicas on the raw and uncut side. The Dr has a lot of beautiful women but they are use to tourists. I recalled being in Havana and besides Mr. G I was the only gringo in the local Club. While I am going to miss being able to roll up one and put it in the air in Cali, Colombia. No pressure in getting weed and smoking it in Colombia. Colombia is so big and sells so much pussy in the casas you can't get up and personal on the same level you can in the DR and Cuba. Someone wrote Santiago is for coffee lovers and not cream. That statement alone made my dick hard. I see Santiago is more grimy hood certified than is Capital sister Havana. My type of place.

Your trip just got really interesting with the death of El Comandante en Jefe.

[Wrx2005]

Gentlemen I've had it up to here with the Dr. I mean it has been very good to me. I can't remember the last time I had a session ranked under a 7. The Sue on the weekends because that's all its good for and Boca and other areas during the week. I have been giving consideration to my next point of venture. I wanted either Cali Colombia or Santiago de Cuba. After going back and reading about 5 years of trip reports and trying to decipher other posters experience, I decided on Santiago Cuba. Like Fannie nothing turn me on more than an expecting confrontation with new stimuli. Don't get me wrong the blanca young chicas with the long hair do and nice fitting dresses are appealing and have their purpose; I prefer my chicas on the raw and uncut side. The Dr has a lot of beautiful women but they are use to tourists. I recalled being in Havana and besides Mr. G I was the only gringo in the local Club. While I am going to miss being able to roll up one and put it in the air in Cali, Colombia. No pressure in getting weed and smoking it in Colombia. Colombia is so big and sells so much pussy in the casas you can't get up and personal on the same level you can in the DR and Cuba. Someone wrote Santiago is for coffee lovers and not cream. That statement alone made my dick hard. I see Santiago is more grimy hood certified than is Capital sister Havana. My type of place.

Mr. G says I'm just tired of the DR And he's right to a certain degree. We are bumping into the same chica. Mr E, OlKool, Sub, and Mr. G have shared interest in the same females at different times in different locations. Adding the chica that I know my boys have already hit makes the whole fishing hole that much drier. "I need a new drug"! Huey Lewis!

Ozzie gave me an recent fresh take on the city. He's a 60-something year old man having a hard time adapting to the environment. That's understandable he's used to the smooth sailing of Puerto Plata. I don't see Santiago being his choice maybe Havana. For me Santiago sings just what the doctor ordered. The hard part is keeping mr. G motivated. Had I not hurry up and bought my ticket he would have changed his plans. He already cancelled out on Santiago just because a little hurricane came through. That ninja turned around and went to Boca Chica instead. He is loving Boca Chica and all the southern coast has to offer. This ninja send me a picture with him and his girl before they do the nasty in my favorite room.

He and I are about to venture off and rarely charted territory. This will be a total recon mission. At the last minute one of my partners from Florida decided to join the group. Damn mr. G and I had a 2 Man swag going on. One extra man is going to change the game. I was hoping mr. G told me to tell him it was too late. But just like me he doesn't mind accommodating for newblood.

Hollywood found a ticket to Cuba leaving out of Orlando for $560 round trip. He will be on the flight with mr. G when he reaches Miami. My flight with JetBlue will be two hours behind them. Thank you mr. G for being patient with me. That American Airline flight was $80 more an American Airline charges you for your luggage. They also charge $50 extra for a Visa going to Cuba.

Mr. G I know you keep putting it in my head that this is just a recon mission and we don't know what to expect. I am expecting and predicting good things. We are going in an area where we don't have to fight on who gets the darkest chica. I am bringing a stack with me but I don't plan on spending it all. My roundtrip ticket was $360 and the rooms are running us $25 a night. I have enough small gifts on me for all 3 of us. I've been waiting for this trip and I'm jumping in head-first.

I admire what you guys are doing, taking the plunge in un chartered territory. Hope you all have a safe and enjoyable trip. Even if the mongering part isn't as satisfying as you might want.

[SubCmdr]

Mr. G says I'm just tired of the DR And he's right to a certain degree. We are bumping into the same chica. Mr E, OlKool, Sub, and Mr. G have shared interest in the same females at different times in different locations. Adding the chica that I know my boys have already hit makes the whole fishing hole that much drier. "I need a new drug"! Huey Lewis!

Mr. GrownMan,

You are straight on point. If we are all standing around the same fishing hole, catching and releasing, we are bound to catch the same fish. Someone wrote that they are not "your girl" that it's just "your turn". No truer words have been spoken as anyone who has pulled a waitress out of one of the many venues found in Sosua and Boca Chica can attest!

Do Cuba right! I look forward to reading your report.

[Mr Enternational]

Gentlemen I've had it up to here with the Dr... I have been giving consideration to my next point of venture. I wanted either Cali Colombia or Santiago de Cuba... Don't get me wrong the blanca young chicas with the long hair do and nice fitting dresses are appealing and have their purpose; I prefer my chicas on the raw and uncut side... Someone wrote Santiago is for coffee lovers and not cream. That statement alone made my dick hard. I see Santiago is more grimy hood certified than is Capital sister Havana. My type of place.

What you are overlooking is that not everywhere in Colombia is like Medellin. The same as people say Santo Domingo is different from Santiago.

Do me a favor and google "People Cali Colombia" and "People Cartagena Colombia" then click the image tab (while you are at it, do it for Medellin too) and see what you come up with. While Medellin is more like Miami (on the people side of the game), Cali and Cartagena are more like Atlanta.

[GrownMan1]

Gentlemen I've had it up to here with the Dr. I mean it has been very good to me. I can't remember the last time I had a session ranked under a 7. The Sue on the weekends because that's all its good for and Boca and other areas during the week. I have been giving consideration to my next point of venture. I wanted either Cali Colombia or Santiago de Cuba. After going back and reading about 5 years of trip reports and trying to decipher other posters experience, I decided on Santiago Cuba. Like Fannie nothing turn me on more than an expecting confrontation with new stimuli. Don't get me wrong the blanca young chicas with the long hair do and nice fitting dresses are appealing and have their purpose; I prefer my chicas on the raw and uncut side. The Dr has a lot of beautiful women but they are use to tourists. I recalled being in Havana and besides Mr. G I was the only gringo in the local Club. While I am going to miss being able to roll up one and put it in the air in Cali, Colombia. No pressure in getting weed and smoking it in Colombia. Colombia is so big and sells so much pussy in the casas you can't get up and personal on the same level you can in the DR and Cuba. Someone wrote Santiago is for coffee lovers and not cream. That statement alone made my dick hard. I see Santiago is more grimy hood certified than is Capital sister Havana. My type of place.

Mr. G says I'm just tired of the DR And he's right to a certain degree. We are bumping into the same chica. Mr E, OlKool, Sub, and Mr. G have shared interest in the same females at different times in different locations. Adding the chica that I know my boys have already hit makes the whole fishing hole that much drier. "I need a new drug"! Huey Lewis!

Ozzie gave me an recent fresh take on the city. He's a 60-something year old man having a hard time adapting to the environment. That's understandable he's used to the smooth sailing of Puerto Plata. I don't see Santiago being his choice maybe Havana. For me Santiago sings just what the doctor ordered. The hard part is keeping mr. G motivated. Had I not hurry up and bought my ticket he would have changed his plans. He already cancelled out on Santiago just because a little hurricane came through. That ninja turned around and went to Boca Chica instead. He is loving Boca Chica and all the southern coast has to offer. This ninja send me a picture with him and his girl before they do the nasty in my favorite room.

He and I are about to venture off and rarely charted territory. This will be a total recon mission. At the last minute one of my partners from Florida decided to join the group. Damn mr. G and I had a 2 Man swag going on. One extra man is going to change the game. I was hoping mr. G told me to tell him it was too late. But just like me he doesn't mind accommodating for newblood.

Hollywood found a ticket to Cuba leaving out of Orlando for $560 round trip. He will be on the flight with mr. G when he reaches Miami. My flight with JetBlue will be two hours behind them. Thank you mr. G for being patient with me. That American Airline flight was $80 more an American Airline charges you for your luggage. They also charge $50 extra for a Visa going to Cuba.

Mr. G I know you keep putting it in my head that this is just a recon mission and we don't know what to expect. I am expecting and predicting good things. We are going in an area where we don't have to fight on who gets the darkest chica. I am bringing a stack with me but I don't plan on spending it all. My roundtrip ticket was $360 and the rooms are running us $25 a night. I have enough small gifts on me for all 3 of us. I've been waiting for this trip and I'm jumping in head-first.

[Mr Enternational]

Sex prison is being married to one of the Kardashian women.

Seems with that clan, nobody can learn from anybody else's misfortune.

[Frannie]

What is Sex Prison anyway? How do men end up there? How does it sustain itself? Well in the beginning when I started my rant, I was talking about the imbalances we see in how men are treated in society. I spoke about some of the things in society that basically devalues men and elevates women.

If I were to give a working definition of what sex prison is, it's basically a common term men use to express their frustration of relying on women( where they are from ) to take care of their sexual needs and fantasies. The problem though, the social construct men try to fulfill these desires / needs is at the behest and control of the women they relate to.

Moreover, the way men try to obtain and maintain getting their needs met starts with bad programming most men get from infancy. Female worship, and importance comes 1st. The behavior of men we talked about earlier, in regards to all of the things men try to do to attract females. Buy nice / expensive things. (cars, house, apartments, clothes) Wear cologne, get in shape, seek employment or create work to impress females. The list is endless. The males agenda is different than the females. The male is trying to secure a partner to fulfill his sexual urges / needs. And the female agenda is to use her femininity to secure a mate for her agenda. Security, a nest slave, to bear children etc.

Now that we have the props in place, next comes how we relate to females. This is the beginning phases of entering SEX Prison. The initial phases of relating to the female consists of expressing interest in the female. The female recognizes this interest coming her way, and now consciously and subconsciously begins to relate back based on her programming and conditioning. "You like me, you have to pay for that like"

This part is where just about every male begins his descent in Sex Prison. The social scenes where they meet, and then the Dating Phase once mutual interest is established. The social scenes, can be the church, school, in the street, the clubs, internet, wherever. Next the way men start to relate to women. It's starts with men creating an immediate imbalance (with the woman) of being the main one initiating and maintaining PAYING FOR SHIT.

Using outdated female worship rituals like chivalry. Behavior demonstrating putting women in a higher sense of importance than himself. What makes it worse, is that men are doing it for women that now claim to be men's equal in society. If that is the case, then why are men still doing all of this shit for women? It's bad programming and conditioning. Men hold on to silly traditions only because it's all they know.

It's believed that if they didn't do these things, they would not get closer to fulfilling their agenda. Getting laid. So they repeat the same pattern of relating to the female because that is what they are used to. To do anything different would feel unnatural. Besides, most men know exactly what will happen if a man insists or expects women to drop all of their privileges and entitlements and decide to be more equal to men as they establish a connection Fuck THAT! Pay me, pay for me, worship me. And men do it.

Now that we have established our second class place status dealing with women, WTF should we expect to happen as we move forward relating to women? Women are going to use sex as a weapon, as a bargaining tool. They recognize our agenda a mile away. And use that thirst to get what they want out of us, out of life. We are the ones that slap rocket boosters on women to propel them into orbit. And then when were not needed, the boosters separate, and she orbits on her own.

The average guy is in Sex Prison because he put himself there. Believing in a totally imbalanced system operating against fulfilling his own agenda. Who told you to pursue a relationship with women with the game stacked up against you? Who told you to have children under these circumstances? Who told you to think that things will be better once you find the right one, and then marry her?

Why are we still putting women 1st, being chivalrous? In the P4 P game outside of Sex Prison, using the DR as an example, typically men cut out most forms of female worship rituals and go straight to getting their needs met. In addition, a totally different concept is in place that makes those arrangements and relationships more safe and secure for men. Here it is. Paying for services AFTER the services are rendered. NOT before.

Just a basic principle or occurrence in life. When a person does work or some task, and then they get paid for what they earn, those transactions are usually satisfactory to both parties. There is no imbalance in that arrangement. But look at how different things are when the set up is, you having to pay upfront, and then wait to receive services. There is something about that, that usually ends up with the one waiting for services, ending up not being fulfilled. Usually one has no recourse because they willingly paid upfront without having some form of assurance that they were going to get what they paid for.

Well that is what men do in the US. That is the typical role men play in relation to women. We pay and pay, we put women 1st, we do all the fucking driving, we do all of this social ass kissing, we think looking like an Alpha male, being a good father and husband, is going to pay off one day. Were going to be respected, appreciated, and be deluged with our sexual fantasies being fulfilled. But numero uno rule in ones best interest. Do not, or avoid paying for services, or bestowing benefits and entitlements to those that have not earned it.

Thats what men do, and that is one reason why they maintain a residence in sex prison. Imagine if men changed in an instant how they relate to women? No buying drinks / beverages. No icebreakers. No dinners or concerts. No jumping to help women solve their problems. No running to lift heavy shit, or run to their aid because they have a car problem (in enough instances because of their negligence, lack of maintenance, or ignoring a problem).

In a P4 P environment, a lot of counter productive behavior can be severely reduced or even eliminated. A man doesn't have to take on a womans problems, trying to get laid. He can pay for exactly what he wants, and go about his business.

Where men go wrong however, is bringing their old habits from operating within Sex Prison, and try to apply them in their salvation matrix (p4 p). They start wining, dining, paying for shit, sending money, doing all kinds of shit, and the recipient has NOT earned anything. In essence the men are back to trying to pay for something they arent getting, with the hope it's going to lead to appreciation, and fulfillment of ones sexual needs.

Like Mr Frannie said. "Here baby, Imma give you this 200 pesos that you asked of me now. And I'm going to treat it like I am going to get you to pull out all stops to work out my kinks, THE NEXT TIME YOU COME. Thats the way, a lot of us still think.

And then when we do not get what we think we paid in advance for, we blame the women. Paying upon services being rendered is what gets a man closer to getting his needs met within a mutually agreed upon arrangement. Paying forward with women, can get you clowned. Even if it's barter and exchange, there are only a few reasons why a man may expect to provide compensation 1st and have to wait for commensurate reciprocation.

A mans efforts should never get so deep that he strips the other party from the opportunity of making their own contribution or earning their keep. Make them work, make them earn, make them accountable, make them contribute and a man just might have some semblance of control and satisfaction in his dealings with women. Apply it in the states is going to be somewhat more difficult. Because as long as women do not have a need for you, the more difficult it may be to depend on them to meet your needs.

Women in the states who earn money, when they do not need you, their interest in men is often very parasitical. They aren't poor, so they arent necessarily in need of a man to take care of them (security). The problem is, many if not most women do not want to use their resources they worked for, for their own security and survival. They will do it if they have to. But in many instances they want to keep men in that traditional role, where they use men and their resources so they do not have to utilize theirs. And once again, men blindly sign up for this shit with women willingly, so they can be exploited.

If I lived in the states, there is no way I would put up with performing most of my old habits of dealing with women. Especially during the get to know you phase and the mating / dating phases. So if a man is not strong and aware enough to stop his own ex and sexploitation, then perhaps he would be better off, not relying on pursuing his fantasies and fulfilling his needs within the area he lives. More reason to, is because women arent going to change and give up all of their bennies and entitlements. They are going to continue campaigning for men to stay just as they are. Keeping themselves irrelevant and insignificant. A nest salve, a tool, a mule.

Here in the DR, I have less hassle paying after services are rendered. The women seem to be psychologically in accord with that arrangement. But whenever I started doing shit for them unearned, especially for the wrong reasons, you can see a different attitude come out of them. And if one were to pay close attention, a level of disrespect emerges because of the imbalance created.

And like a child, sometimes you see them begin to take liberties, and you see slick behavior. Start expecting you to do things for them, without them earning it. Then they want to do less and less, but get more and more. All because you showed a soft spot. Perhaps did something for someone unearned without discriminating it's potential impact.

For some men, dealing with women in the states ( or any other Sex Prison ) isn't all bad. I know a lot of guys travel abroad for p4p , as a supplement to their relationships/marriages back home. In other words, they are not relying on women back home to fulfill ALL of their needs and fantasies. Traveling abroad contributes greatly to relieving some of their dependency on women where they are from.

Sex prison is being married to one of the Kardashian women. Eventually you will want to castrate yourself and wear a dress just to avoid every having sex with her again. Or take an overdose in a brothel instead of buying sex. Or get yourself admitted to a lunatic asylum to avoid having to ever look at her fat ass ever again.

[Wrx2005]

What is Sex Prison anyway? How do men end up there? How does it sustain itself? Well in the beginning when I started my rant, I was talking about the imbalances we see in how men are treated in society. I spoke about some of the things in society that basically devalues men and elevates women.

If I were to give a working definition of what sex prison is, it's basically a common term men use to express their frustration of relying on women( where they are from ) to take care of their sexual needs and fantasies. The problem though, the social construct men try to fulfill these desires / needs is at the behest and control of the women they relate to.

Moreover, the way men try to obtain and maintain getting their needs met starts with bad programming most men get from infancy. Female worship, and importance comes 1st. The behavior of men we talked about earlier, in regards to all of the things men try to do to attract females. Buy nice / expensive things. (cars, house, apartments, clothes) Wear cologne, get in shape, seek employment or create work to impress females. The list is endless. The males agenda is different than the females. The male is trying to secure a partner to fulfill his sexual urges / needs. And the female agenda is to use her femininity to secure a mate for her agenda. Security, a nest slave, to bear children etc.

Now that we have the props in place, next comes how we relate to females. This is the beginning phases of entering SEX Prison. The initial phases of relating to the female consists of expressing interest in the female. The female recognizes this interest coming her way, and now consciously and subconsciously begins to relate back based on her programming and conditioning. "You like me, you have to pay for that like"

This part is where just about every male begins his descent in Sex Prison. The social scenes where they meet, and then the Dating Phase once mutual interest is established. The social scenes, can be the church, school, in the street, the clubs, internet, wherever. Next the way men start to relate to women. It's starts with men creating an immediate imbalance (with the woman) of being the main one initiating and maintaining PAYING FOR SHIT.

Using outdated female worship rituals like chivalry. Behavior demonstrating putting women in a higher sense of importance than himself. What makes it worse, is that men are doing it for women that now claim to be men's equal in society. If that is the case, then why are men still doing all of this shit for women? It's bad programming and conditioning. Men hold on to silly traditions only because it's all they know.

It's believed that if they didn't do these things, they would not get closer to fulfilling their agenda. Getting laid. So they repeat the same pattern of relating to the female because that is what they are used to. To do anything different would feel unnatural. Besides, most men know exactly what will happen if a man insists or expects women to drop all of their privileges and entitlements and decide to be more equal to men as they establish a connection Fuck THAT! Pay me, pay for me, worship me. And men do it.

Now that we have established our second class place status dealing with women, WTF should we expect to happen as we move forward relating to women? Women are going to use sex as a weapon, as a bargaining tool. They recognize our agenda a mile away. And use that thirst to get what they want out of us, out of life. We are the ones that slap rocket boosters on women to propel them into orbit. And then when were not needed, the boosters separate, and she orbits on her own.

The average guy is in Sex Prison because he put himself there. Believing in a totally imbalanced system operating against fulfilling his own agenda. Who told you to pursue a relationship with women with the game stacked up against you? Who told you to have children under these circumstances? Who told you to think that things will be better once you find the right one, and then marry her?

Why are we still putting women 1st, being chivalrous? In the P4 P game outside of Sex Prison, using the DR as an example, typically men cut out most forms of female worship rituals and go straight to getting their needs met. In addition, a totally different concept is in place that makes those arrangements and relationships more safe and secure for men. Here it is. Paying for services AFTER the services are rendered. NOT before.

Just a basic principle or occurrence in life. When a person does work or some task, and then they get paid for what they earn, those transactions are usually satisfactory to both parties. There is no imbalance in that arrangement. But look at how different things are when the set up is, you having to pay upfront, and then wait to receive services. There is something about that, that usually ends up with the one waiting for services, ending up not being fulfilled. Usually one has no recourse because they willingly paid upfront without having some form of assurance that they were going to get what they paid for.

Well that is what men do in the US. That is the typical role men play in relation to women. We pay and pay, we put women 1st, we do all the fucking driving, we do all of this social ass kissing, we think looking like an Alpha male, being a good father and husband, is going to pay off one day. Were going to be respected, appreciated, and be deluged with our sexual fantasies being fulfilled. But numero uno rule in ones best interest. Do not, or avoid paying for services, or bestowing benefits and entitlements to those that have not earned it.

Thats what men do, and that is one reason why they maintain a residence in sex prison. Imagine if men changed in an instant how they relate to women? No buying drinks / beverages. No icebreakers. No dinners or concerts. No jumping to help women solve their problems. No running to lift heavy shit, or run to their aid because they have a car problem (in enough instances because of their negligence, lack of maintenance, or ignoring a problem).

In a P4 P environment, a lot of counter productive behavior can be severely reduced or even eliminated. A man doesn't have to take on a womans problems, trying to get laid. He can pay for exactly what he wants, and go about his business.

Where men go wrong however, is bringing their old habits from operating within Sex Prison, and try to apply them in their salvation matrix (p4 p). They start wining, dining, paying for shit, sending money, doing all kinds of shit, and the recipient has NOT earned anything. In essence the men are back to trying to pay for something they arent getting, with the hope it's going to lead to appreciation, and fulfillment of ones sexual needs.

Like Mr Frannie said. "Here baby, Imma give you this 200 pesos that you asked of me now. And I'm going to treat it like I am going to get you to pull out all stops to work out my kinks, THE NEXT TIME YOU COME. Thats the way, a lot of us still think.

And then when we do not get what we think we paid in advance for, we blame the women. Paying upon services being rendered is what gets a man closer to getting his needs met within a mutually agreed upon arrangement. Paying forward with women, can get you clowned. Even if it's barter and exchange, there are only a few reasons why a man may expect to provide compensation 1st and have to wait for commensurate reciprocation.

A mans efforts should never get so deep that he strips the other party from the opportunity of making their own contribution or earning their keep. Make them work, make them earn, make them accountable, make them contribute and a man just might have some semblance of control and satisfaction in his dealings with women. Apply it in the states is going to be somewhat more difficult. Because as long as women do not have a need for you, the more difficult it may be to depend on them to meet your needs.

Women in the states who earn money, when they do not need you, their interest in men is often very parasitical. They aren't poor, so they arent necessarily in need of a man to take care of them (security). The problem is, many if not most women do not want to use their resources they worked for, for their own security and survival. They will do it if they have to. But in many instances they want to keep men in that traditional role, where they use men and their resources so they do not have to utilize theirs. And once again, men blindly sign up for this shit with women willingly, so they can be exploited.

If I lived in the states, there is no way I would put up with performing most of my old habits of dealing with women. Especially during the get to know you phase and the mating / dating phases. So if a man is not strong and aware enough to stop his own ex and sexploitation, then perhaps he would be better off, not relying on pursuing his fantasies and fulfilling his needs within the area he lives. More reason to, is because women arent going to change and give up all of their bennies and entitlements. They are going to continue campaigning for men to stay just as they are. Keeping themselves irrelevant and insignificant. A nest salve, a tool, a mule.

Here in the DR, I have less hassle paying after services are rendered. The women seem to be psychologically in accord with that arrangement. But whenever I started doing shit for them unearned, especially for the wrong reasons, you can see a different attitude come out of them. And if one were to pay close attention, a level of disrespect emerges because of the imbalance created.

And like a child, sometimes you see them begin to take liberties, and you see slick behavior. Start expecting you to do things for them, without them earning it. Then they want to do less and less, but get more and more. All because you showed a soft spot. Perhaps did something for someone unearned without discriminating it's potential impact.

For some men, dealing with women in the states ( or any other Sex Prison ) isn't all bad. I know a lot of guys travel abroad for p4p , as a supplement to their relationships/marriages back home. In other words, they are not relying on women back home to fulfill ALL of their needs and fantasies. Traveling abroad contributes greatly to relieving some of their dependency on women where they are from.

[Wrx2005]

If women were more selective in who they have sex with, then guys will complain even more about being in some sex prison. You can't have it both ways. Be careful what you wish for.

Please elaborate Mr E. This is what I was thinking when I wrote my piece. Which guys in sex prison would be doing the complaining? If women were more selective in who they had sex with, and who fathered their children, wouldn't that mean that the decent dudes would be getting more play than all of the fucked up dudes these women allow to father all of these babies?

As it stands now, the dudes complaining in sex prison are mostly the guys being overlooked, because too many women prefer getting laid by the very men contributing to the fatherlessness. So if women did start being more selective, wouldn't that mean, the pussy starts going to men that are more likely to stick around for a relationship, and if a relationship is not wanted, at the very least more likely to take responsibility for a child? The man sought would be more able to afford taking care of a child. Wouldn't this in essence release a lot of men from sex prison?

With this change in place, , it would seem to me, that the men that will be complaining more will be the ones who probably shouldn't be getting to fuck recklessly in the 1st place. So if THEY end up in sex prison and start complaining, why would me, you or anybody else give a fuck about them? Somebody obviously is not going to be happy with that.

In addition, who has had to bear the cost of all of these fatherless children, when both parents can't afford or won't take responsibility? It's the taxpayers. Me and you included. So women being more selective, since they have the pussy, their decision to be more selective would have a much more favorable impact within society.

As it stands now, women are free to do whatever they please with their pussies. At least if more and more decent guys were getting recognized, instead of the wrong men, it might cut down on a lot of the assbackwardsness and unchecked reckless behavior from both genders.

You see it differently?

[Mr Enternational]

In addition, it may put women in the position of thinking twice about trying to trick a man into fathering children when all they wanted was recreational sex. And being more selective in who have sex with.

If women were more selective in who they have sex with, then guys will complain even more about being in some sex prison. You can't have it both ways. Be careful what you wish for.

[Frannie]

And then blaming men for her poor choice in sex partners. If a man says no I do not want to be a father, her decision to proceed, she has to deal with the consequences. . She can keep the child, but the man is not obligated legally to support that child. If she chooses to abort, she does so because she already had that right, where as the man never had the right to force her to do it. And for those women who clearly can't support a child, maybe there should be some way to stop women from being able to get pregnant until they either have a willing potential father or they have the means to support that child all by themselves.

Thank you for taking such an interest in our planet during your visit. You have some good ideas, but our laws treat human children differently from livestock because of beliefs that there is something unique about human beings, which some people call having a "soul". Usually we frown on fathers disowning their sons and daughters, because ideally a human child needs a full network of two sets of grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins and so on to give them Christmas and birthday presents, and to enjoy the best possible support system during the long path to maturity which lasts 18 or more years in which the child is usually economically dependent on others and for several years cannot be left alone at any time without supervision so that they do not set fire to dwelling structures.

However it is still very possible for a man to have recreational sex without pregnancy ensuing. The simplest thing first, he should make sure to use a barrier form of contraception such as a condom every time he has sexual intercourse with a human female that will block his gametes from fertilizing the over of a human female. Even better, he can avoid having sex at all, or only have sex with men, who cannot become pregnant as they have no womb. Having sex with men in various manners that I won't go into here is an increasingly popular option. Another alternative is for the man to have an operation called a vasectomy that permanently disables the mechanisms that make it possible for him to be a father. A more extreme, but also increasingly popular route is for the man to have surgery that removes his penis and testes and gives him an artificial vagina and breasts. He is now allowed to dress as a woman, and if he takes female hormones may even occasionally be mistaken for a woman, especially if the man is drunk or it is dark.

Often it is not clear who is the father, when the mother has had unprotected sex with various males, or is forgetful, but in this case the mother and possible fathers may be paid to attend the Maury Povich Show where tests will be carried out to determine who the grandparents are.

Often the mother will bring the child or children to the studio to prove her claim's validity to Maury, the audience, and the accused father. She will often say "I'm 100%/1000% (or some other high amount) sure he is the father!" In most cases, the accused father is hostile towards the accusing mother, giving various reasons (such as infidelity and sterility) why the child cannot be related to him, often saying "The baby doesn't look like me" and sometimes "I can't have kids", "She never told me she was pregnant", or "She cheated on me".

After the results are revealed, the parties react accordingly; when the man is proven to be the father, the mother often will celebrate, whereas if the man is proven not to be the father, he jumps out of his chair and celebrates while the mother runs backstage crying. In either case, the audience cheers loudly for the victorious party, who often celebrates with over the top dancing or gymnastics. Mothers often return on future episodes to test more men.

Hope this helps.

[Wrx2005]

In US society women have the exclusive right to get pregnant, no matter who they choose to have sex with. Women have the exclusive right to choose to have a baby or abort. Men on the other hand, do not have the choice of the women having the baby or the choice not to be a biological father when a pregnancy occurs. I believe just like there are laws in place once again protecting women, (like date [CodeWord123], consent laws) there should be laws protecting men.

Make it so a woman has to have a mans consent on whether he wants to be a father or not. Obviously abortion is not an issue, because women already have that right. So when a woman decides to have sex, she better get that man's consent or dissent on whether he wants to be a father if a pregnancy occurs. No more of this having sex indiscriminately with any fucking tom dick or harry.

And then blaming men for her poor choice in sex partners. If a man says no I do not want to be a father, her decision to proceed, she has to deal with the consequences. . She can keep the child, but the man is not obligated legally to support that child. If she chooses to abort, she does so because she already had that right, where as the man never had the right to force her to do it. And for those women who clearly can't support a child, maybe there should be some way to stop women from being able to get pregnant until they either have a willing potential father or they have the means to support that child all by themselves.

Maybe something positive can come out of this. For one it can save men a lot of useless worry on having to wait 9 months just to see if he is even the father. His interest and consent can be established long before a child is conceived. If it has to be in writing, then make sure it's done. In addition, it may put women in the position of thinking twice about trying to trick a man into fathering children when all they wanted was recreational sex. And being more selective in who have sex with.

Of course society is not ready to take a hard stand like this to support mens rights and even up the playing field. What I'm proposing almost sounds insane because women rights are the ones who are always looked after and protected. Not men.

[Frannie]

Support and re enforce men's existence and leadership within the family structure. Give men affordable or free legal representation for securing custody and visitation. Women typically don't need to pay for a lawyer to fight for child support or a domestic dispute. Why should men have to pay lawyers and court fees just to stay connected to their children? Courts stop being so quick to hand over custody to women.

Force more accountability on the part of women when they file false claims on men. When they use physical violence or assault on men. Leniency or exoneration towards men that defend themselves from physical threats and assaults from women. In other words, if a woman attacks a man in such a way where he might be seriously harmed, he defends himself. Or if he returns an unprovoked slap from a woman, but she gets the worst of it.

Men who have worked out support arrangements outside of court with their children's mother should be allowed to choose that option, and support according to the childs needs, not no chart telling him what he is supposed to pay, and then garnished from his wages. For instance,. Having to pay 600 a month for an infant whose monthly expenses may not be anywhere near that amount. In addition the courts should be encouraging men to participate in actively being involved with their childrens development in person, rather than only enforcing payments being garnished.

In addition, garnished or not, make women show accountability for the money they receive that is supposed to be for the child. No more of this punishment payments. And if a man lost his job, or hit hard times, that as long as that child has survived because the mother stepped up, there will be no such thing as arrears needing to be caught up. The child didn't die, didn't suffer. So what's the need for paying arrears? The other parent stepped up while the other had a set back.

Reduce or eliminate all NON essential forms of media containing material that makes men look like they are stupid and incompetent, and making women look like they have to wear the pants in the relationship and society.

Women that divorce, do not get half of everything. They especially do not get half of a mans pension. Man is no longer with the woman, why should be forced to give up his pension to someone he is no longer involved with? Limited alimony. None of that crap about it only stops if she re marries.

Promote in society more masculinity in males / men and femininity in females / women more than promoting homosexuality / lesbianism.

Stop locking up individuals who have valid reasons for not being able to pay child support. Do not take someones license away, driver or occupational if doing so interferes with their ability to support themselves and their children.

No more men having to be forced out of his own home because he has a dispute with a woman he isn't married to, who is living in his home but not paying the rent or mortgage. He should be free to ask her to leave anytime he chooses.

Stop encouraging men from supporting and fighting women's battles because of the choices those women made.

When describing bad behavior, use the same filthy language for women, that is used on men to describe men's bad behavior. For instance in American society, men and women alike can easily call a man a scumbag, piece of shit or some other derogatory name. But when it comes to women, there is a double standard. Women are treated differently.

In fact, a good portion of the failures of women are usually attributed to just them making bad choices (they only chose the wrong man). Their bad behavior and character. Is seldom harshly criticized equally to men. If a man can be called with out hesitation, a piece of shit for his fucked up behavior / character, why can't a woman for hers?

Thank you for giving your valuable time to human concerns.

40 hours per week daycare or baby sitting = 180 hours per month.

1 month health insurance.

1 month health insurance co-pays.

Loss of earnings or sick leave if child sick and parent has to miss work.

Medications if needed, vitamins.

1 month nutrition, formula, milk, or breastmilk.

100 [CodeWord131].

Clothing and bedding as needed.

Laundry.

Heating or air conditioning as needed, hot water for bathing.

Equipment needs such as car seat, bed, stroller.

Miscellaneous purchases such as feed bottles, washcloths, night lights, wet wipes, soap, toys.

I don't know how much all this costs, and of course it has to be split between both parents, but $600 per month sounds like a good deal for the non custodial parent who will not have to deal with [CodeWord132] duty, nocturnal vomiting, etc. Later on there will be ballet classes and Halloween costumes, school photos.

I have not included here the cost of providing a home for the child, but a two bedroom apartment will be more expensive than a one bedroom, have higher utility bills, etc. Children of higher earning parents will expect to have a more luxurious lifestyle than those of the poor.

I am not sure that "the child has not died yet" would necessarily be recognized as the standard to be aimed for.

[Wrx2005]

Support and re enforce men's existence and leadership within the family structure. Give men affordable or free legal representation for securing custody and visitation. Women typically don't need to pay for a lawyer to fight for child support or a domestic dispute. Why should men have to pay lawyers and court fees just to stay connected to their children? Courts stop being so quick to hand over custody to women.

Force more accountability on the part of women when they file false claims on men. When they use physical violence or assault on men. Leniency or exoneration towards men that defend themselves from physical threats and assaults from women. In other words, if a woman attacks a man in such a way where he might be seriously harmed, he defends himself. Or if he returns an unprovoked slap from a woman, but she gets the worst of it.

Men who have worked out support arrangements outside of court with their children's mother should be allowed to choose that option, and support according to the childs needs, not no chart telling him what he is supposed to pay, and then garnished from his wages. For instance,. Having to pay 600 a month for an infant whose monthly expenses may not be anywhere near that amount. In addition the courts should be encouraging men to participate in actively being involved with their childrens development in person, rather than only enforcing payments being garnished.

In addition, garnished or not, make women show accountability for the money they receive that is supposed to be for the child. No more of this punishment payments. And if a man lost his job, or hit hard times, that as long as that child has survived because the mother stepped up, there will be no such thing as arrears needing to be caught up. The child didn't die, didn't suffer. So what's the need for paying arrears? The other parent stepped up while the other had a set back.

Reduce or eliminate all NON essential forms of media containing material that makes men look like they are stupid and incompetent, and making women look like they have to wear the pants in the relationship and society.

Women that divorce, do not get half of everything. They especially do not get half of a mans pension. Man is no longer with the woman, why should be forced to give up his pension to someone he is no longer involved with? Limited alimony. None of that crap about it only stops if she re marries.

Promote in society more masculinity in males / men and femininity in females / women more than promoting homosexuality / lesbianism.

Stop locking up individuals who have valid reasons for not being able to pay child support. Do not take someones license away, driver or occupational if doing so interferes with their ability to support themselves and their children.

No more men having to be forced out of his own home because he has a dispute with a woman he isn't married to, who is living in his home but not paying the rent or mortgage. He should be free to ask her to leave anytime he chooses.

Stop encouraging men from supporting and fighting women's battles because of the choices those women made.

When describing bad behavior, use the same filthy language for women, that is used on men to describe men's bad behavior. For instance in American society, men and women alike can easily call a man a scumbag, piece of shit or some other derogatory name. But when it comes to women, there is a double standard. Women are treated differently.

In fact, a good portion of the failures of women are usually attributed to just them making bad choices (they only chose the wrong man). Their bad behavior and character. Is seldom harshly criticized equally to men. If a man can be called with out hesitation, a piece of shit for his fucked up behavior / character, why can't a woman for hers?