One Wing Low in China

[One Wing Low]

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Inside a "Vietnamese girl market".

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UPDATED: 01/28/2013 11:27 GMT + 7.

Chinese men can find sexual partners among Vietnamese sex workers at a "Vietnamese girl market", which runs every night in Po-chai, a Chinese town on the border with Vietnam.

This market offers only Vietnamese sex workers, although no Vietnamese men are served there.

As evidenced by its name, the "market", which is located in an apartment complex, has Vietnamese women only, and its guests are mainly Chinese men, An Ninh The Gioi (World Security) newspaper reported.

The 'market' mainly runs at night, when a group of at least four young women sits at the ground floor of each apartment building to welcome their guests.

These women usually embroider handkerchiefs while they sit there. Though the temperature sometimes drops to 5 degrees Celcius, they wear skimpy clothes, showing off their breasts and thighs.

No room for Vietnamese men.

One night, the women say a man approaching One of them, possibly the group's leader, greeted him in Chinese. The man said, "My boss is Vietnamese. Will any of you receive him? The group leader replied in disappointment, "We are not allowed to receive Vietnamese men.

Whenever they see Vietnamese men enter the building, the women waves them away and say, "Dear, we would love to serve you, but the police will catch you. Please leave before you get in trouble. ".

One of the women at the market is named Hong. She was once the group's leader, and now she trades sex toys in the area.

"The Chinese government has banned prostitution-related business, but in cross-border trade areas like Po-chai, the business is implicitly allowed on the condition that sex workers must be Vietnamese and their guests must be Chinese or foreign men, excluding Vietnamese men.

A number of Chinese sex workers can also be found in Po Trai. They have fake ID cards stating that they are Vietnamese.

Brothel owners in the area are granted business licenses and they must pay relevant taxes and fees to the Chinese authorities. However, there remains a paradox that if any problems arise, they may be brought to court for charges of "harboring prostitutes. ".

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A corner of the Po-chai town, Guangxi, China (Photo: VTC).

"One more oddity of this area is that these *****houses are not governed by the local government but by 'procurers', who claim a right to 'protect' brothels based on a 'fee' they receive from brothel owners. They also act as tax and fee collectors, passing these payments on to authorities. ".

Any conflict between brothels or between guests and prostitutes is resolved by the procurers through physical violence and their law of the jungle.

When new sex workers arrive at the market, the local procurers have the right to "taste" them first before they serve their guests.

Any woman who violates the underworld law will be punished by the local boss; for example they may be taken to a room, stripped and beaten.

Tortured to the point of insanity.

There have been cases in which local bosses tortured sex workers by continuously stimulating them with sex toys for a full day. After 24 hours of sexual stimulation, many women are so exhausted that they have to lay in bed for several days to recover.

There was one case, in particular, where a sex worker was paralyzed for a week after being tortured with sex toys. Women have also gone insane after being abused, one of whom is Dai, from the northern city of Hai Phong.

Dai, 21, was once considered the top prostitute at the B25 brothel. In her prime many men selected her for her services.

Dai had to give her pimp 40 percent of the money guests paid her, but there were still days when she was able to save more than 1,000 yuan (US $160). However, she still wasn't able to afford her or her boyfriend's drug addiction.

Dai's pimp loaned her money at a 100% per day interest rate, and in February 2012, when her dept stood at 10,000 yuan (US $1,600), Dai and her lover escaped and hid in Pingxiang, a city in the municipal region of Chongzuo in southern China's Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region.

The pimp reported the escape to the local boss and Dai was seized two days later. She was brutally tortured with sex toys and went mad.

She began to groan and fall over whenever anyone touched her. Her boyfriend eventually brought her to Vietnam for medical treatment.

Hong, one of the prostitutes, said the pimps in the town do not force any of the girls to work against their will. Only women who are in debt are forced to serve guests, in order to repay their debts.

Ransom and "rotary wife".

Many beautiful sex workers have lured men into paying a ransom to take them from their brothel so that they could live together as husband and wife.

A number of men have fallen into this trap and been forced to pay at least 4 teals of gold to the woman's pimp for her release.

However, the women can leave their "husband" at any time and return to their brothel to lure other men. The ransoms are split 60:40 with their pimps.

Some sex workers have been ransomed by two or three men at the same time.

When this happens the women consider themselves 'rotary wives'.

Thi has experienced this before. She arrived in Po Trai when she was 13 years old to make a living by washing dishes at restaurants.

She was eventually adopted by Hong and led a decent life. Then, one day, after being beaten by Hong for stealing money from guests, Thi left and began working as a prostitute.

Thi later returned to Hong and lured a wealthy Chinese man named A Lo into ransoming her.

Lo paid 10 taels of gold and Thi lived with him for a while. Then, she started a fight with him and returned to Hong's brothel. Lo ransomed her again, this time for four taels of gold.

After spending several years as Thi's "husband", Lo had no money left and Thi has since left him for good.

A similar trick is to sell girls to men looking for a wife or brothels that need workers for 10,000 yuan, of which the girl will get 6,000. However, after a certain amount of time, the girl will leave their husband or new brothel, leaving them in the lurch.

The girls will then be sold again, and the cycle will begin all over.

[One Wing Low]

Peace guys,

I did have fun with you guys in Zhuhai. That was the good time then. I wished I had gone on with you guys to the next towns. But I had a case of the worst food poisoning and it ruined my 2 weeks vacation.

The KTV and bar girls I picked up in SZ were all 1,500 for all night. They were all worth it as it was like honeymoons with these sweet girl. I remember taking one of the young girls to the sumptuous breakfast buffet at the 5-star Landmark (now Crown Plaza) hotel. Old Chinese couples were staring at us like a couple freaks. Hehe. They must be jealous because she was very beautiful. For such a slender girl, she was eating about 5 times the amount of food I was eating.

After breakfast, we went back to the room and she treated me to another round of much more passionate lovemaking. She must have been hungry overnight and appreciated of the fine buffet I treated her to. Since then I learned to always treat the girls to midnight snacks. It makes the girls horny, happy and good companies in bed.

The first time in ChangPing, I went to the Lion's KTV and picked up a girl. Don't remember for how much. She did not look very good out of her dress with her farm girl's big frame and beefy body. I was screwing her. She got wet in her crotch but was crying in pain. My dick was not even that big. So after asking the Miraton's security managers to interpret, I had to pay her the 200 RMB sitting fee and let her go. She said if she did not come back with the sitting fee, her boss would beat her to death.

The next day Miraton's driver hooked me up with a very beautiful girl. I remember paying her 800 RMB all night. She had a baby and kept looking at the pics in her phone. We went to the Mongolian hot pot restaurant for dinner. She was taking care of me like a baby.

One time I was in Changping I spotted a pretty KTV girl in the Huihua lobby. So I hooked up with her for overnight. An ABC bro from San Francisco was helping negotiating the deal over lunch in the BBQ restaurant next to the Miraton. I was haggling with her, just trying to figure out how these KTV girls live. The poor girl was haggling over every 20 RMBs.

Any way I had many good times with the bros in China. I misheard and gave Bin Bin 500 RMB by mistake in Zhuhai and I regret it. I could see how someone gave girls 1500 RMB for 2 hours would jack up their money expectation for the next guys, especially visitors with no or little command of Putonghoa. I did enjoy the bros' company and appreciate the helpful intelligence they gave me.

I did not intend to screw up the sex market for the local bros. It was a honest mistake. Let bygone be bygone. I look forward to partying with the bros when I am in China next. Let's stop the suspecting and bitching and have some fun, share some good stories.

What do you say?

OWL,

The first thing I thought about when I saw Old South's post was the case you describe below when we met in ZH so many years ago. This guy takes the cake for paying too much for ST on LHL (1, 500 RMB) and has replaced you in this honor. As the leader of the pack of vicious dogs, I have jumped right on it on the ZH thread. That said, you still hold the honor for the highest price ever paid for a SZ KTV girl in those days and your reputation as the biggest BSD ever to wander into CP still lives on to this day. In fact, your name came up in conversation as recently as last week.

Just my POV.

OAH.

[One Wing Low]

Peace guys.

I did have fun with you guys in Zhuhai. That was the good time then. I wished I had gone on with you guys to the next towns. But I had a case of the worst food poisoning and it ruined my 2 weeks vacation.

The KTV and bar girls I picked up in SZ were all 1, 500 for all night. They were all worth it as it was like honeymoons with these sweet girl. I remember taking one of the young girls to the sumptuous breakfast buffet at the 5-star Landmark (now Crown Plaza) hotel. Old Chinese couples were staring at us like a couple freaks. Hehe. They must be jealous because she was young and very beautiful. For such a slender girl, she was eating about 5 times the amount of food I was eating.

After breakfast, we went back to the room and she treated me to another round of much more passionate lovemaking. She must have been hungry overnight and appreciated of the fine buffet I treated her to. Since then I learned to always treat the girls to midnight snacks. It makes the girls horny, happy and good companies in bed.

The first time in ChangPing, I went to the Lion's KTV and picked up a girl. Don't remember for how much. She did not look very good out of her dress with her farm girl's big frame and beefy body. I was screwing her. She got wet in her crotch but was crying in pain. My dick was not even that big. So after asking the Miraton's security managress to interpret, I had to pay her the 200 RMB sitting fee and let her go. She said if she did not come back with the sitting fee, her boss would beat her to death.

The next day Miraton's driver hooked me up with a very beautiful young girl. I remember paying her 800 RMB all night. She had a baby and kept looking at the pics in her phone. We went to the Mongolian hot pot restaurant for dinner. She was taking care of me like a baby.

One time I was in Changping I spotted a pretty KTV girl in the Huihua lobby. So I hooked up with her for overnight. An ABC bro from San Francisco was helping negotiating the deal over lunch in the BBQ restaurant next to the Miraton. I was haggling with her, just trying to figure out how these KTV girls live. The poor girl was haggling over every 20 RMBs.

Any way I had many good times with the bros in China. I misheard and gave Bin Bin 500 RMB by mistake in Zhuhai and I regret it. I could see how someone gave young girls 1500 RMB for 2 hours would jack up their money expectation for the next guys, especially visitors with no or little command of Putonghoa. I did enjoy the bros' company and appreciate the helpful intelligence they gave me.

I did not intend to screw up the sex market for the local bros. It was a honest mistake. Let bygone be bygone. I look forward to partying with the bros when I am in China next. Let's stop the suspecting and bitching and have some fun, share some good stories.

What do you say?

OWL,

The first thing I thought about when I saw Old South's post was the case you describe below when we met in ZH so many years ago. This guy takes the cake for paying too much for ST on LHL (1, 500 RMB) and has replaced you in this honor. As the leader of the pack of vicious dogs, I have jumped right on it on the ZH thread. That said, you still hold the honor for the highest price ever paid for a SZ KTV girl in those days and your reputation as the biggest BSD ever to wander into CP still lives on to this day. In fact, your name came up in conversation as recently as last week.

Just my POV.

OAH.

[Weelock]

OWL,

The first thing I thought about when I saw Old South's post was the case you describe below when we met in ZH so many years ago. This guy takes the cake for paying too much for ST on LHL (1, 500 RMB) and has replaced you in this honor. As the leader of the pack of vicious dogs, I have jumped right on it on the ZH thread. That said, you still hold the honor for the highest price ever paid for a SZ KTV girl in those days and your reputation as the biggest BSD ever to wander into CP still lives on to this day. In fact, your name came up in conversation as recently as last week.

Just my POV.

OAH.

I don't remember the details but he also OVER PAID at a KTV. The way he wrote his post, it sounded like he fell in love this girl he met for the first time. Paid her something like 3 times what the rate was for LT. He was a rookie then. One Wing Low, only come to China once or twice a year for a few days. There is not way he is an expert. He doesn't live or work in China like many other monger or expat do. He doesn't even speak Mandarin.

[OldAsiaHand]

OWL,

The first thing I thought about when I saw Old South's post was the case you describe below when we met in ZH so many years ago. This guy takes the cake for paying too much for ST on LHL (1, 500 RMB) and has replaced you in this honor. As the leader of the pack of vicious dogs, I have jumped right on it on the ZH thread. That said, you still hold the honor for the highest price ever paid for a SZ KTV girl in those days and your reputation as the biggest BSD ever to wander into CP still lives on to this day. In fact, your name came up in conversation as recently as last week.

Just my POV.

OAH.

Occasionally you can find some very attractive girls in Lien Hua Lu.

The first time I was in Zhuhai, there were lots of pretty, young girls cruising LHL day and night. The selection was very good. I picked up a very cute young girl named Bin Bin, with her large doe eyes etc. She was way to attractive with a perfectly round, spongy and perky boobs with tiny nipples. I got so aroused by this girl that after screwing her for half hour non stop, I got tired but still had a raging erection, and I could not come being waaay to excited by this cute girl.

The bros were telling me the rates but I misheard and gave her 500 RMB for short time. I should have asked her for her rate. I could see her eyes widened when she saw 5 red Maos headed her way. Hehe. The bros were ragging on me for years for this mistake. So be careful with you 1500 RMB payment. There may be guys jumping all over you like a bunch of vicious dogs.

The next year I came back to Zhuhai. There were lot of raids so there were not too many girls. But I found Bin Bin walking LHL with half dozen friends like they were just out shopping. I picked her up and took her to the GuangZhou hotel. I was too excited I forgot my room number hehe. Had to go down to reception to get it. The guy was smiling slyly. With the room number, Bin Bin quickly found the room. I was way too excited with this cute young girl. I was screwing her for half hour straight but still had an erection and could not come. That was the only girl that caused this Rasputin problem for me ever. So I suppose she must be one of the cutest girls I met.

Later I gave her tel to a local bro to track her down, but she disappeared. Another average-looking girl inherited her tel.

Did find a few very beautiful girls in China.

[One Wing Low]

Occasionally you can find some very attractive girls in Lien Hua Lu.

The first time I was in Zhuhai, there were lots of pretty, young girls cruising LHL day and night. The selection was very good. I picked up a very cute young girl named Bin Bin, with her large doe eyes etc. She was way to attractive with a perfectly round, spongy and perky boobs with tiny nipples. I got so aroused by this girl that after screwing her for half hour non stop, I got tired but still had a raging erection, and I could not come being waaay to excited by this cute girl.

The bros were telling me the rates but I misheard and gave her 500 RMB for short time. I should have asked her for her rate. I could see her eyes widened when she saw 5 red Maos headed her way. Hehe. The bros were ragging on me for years for this mistake. So be careful with you 1500 RMB payment. There may be guys jumping all over you like a bunch of vicious dogs.

The next year I came back to Zhuhai. There were lot of raids so there were not too many girls. But I found Bin Bin walking LHL with half dozen friends like they were just out shopping. I picked her up and took her to the GuangZhou hotel. I was too excited I forgot my room number hehe. Had to go down to reception to get it. The guy was smiling slyly. With the room number, Bin Bin quickly found the room. I was way too excited with this cute young girl. I was screwing her for half hour straight but still had an erection and could not come. That was the only girl that caused this Rasputin problem for me ever. So I suppose she must be one of the cutest girls I met.

Later I gave her tel to a local bro to track her down, but she disappeared. Another average-looking girl inherited her tel.

Did find a few very beautiful girls in China.

Went to LHL last night around 12:30pm and saw a few SW immediately. Call the first one over to my taxi, she was young and at least 8, asked for 400, I didn't even look further, I am sure there are more. She was 18, usually work Maucau. I told her I am not interested in just go and bang, she then said if I would pay maucau price, I said ok. Took her to bar street, had a bottle of wine, she love drinking wine, really rare to find WG in China to like wine. Went back to hotel, had great session for at least one hour, all the 69, BBBJ, with and she came twice. She wanted to stay with me all night, but I usually just want to get the girl out after, so paid her 1500 and set her home. I know it might be a lot, but she spent more then two hours with me, total GFE, absolutely worth it. She was fine with just 400 and go to a nearby hotel for ST, but in my experience, those are usually so mechanical I might as well just save my load for a better day.

OS

[One Wing Low]

Looks like there are large and violent anti-Japan demonstrations all over China. The crowds are attacking and destroying Japanese businesses, US diplomatic convoys, and even Chinese government properties and the Chinese government has not been able control the destruction and violence.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/china-p...153822665.html

It may be a good time to stay away from China until public sentiments cool down and the situation stabilize to the point Chinese government takes official positions banning illegal demonstrations and publicly punishing perpetrators.

You don't want to get caught in the hot-headed crowds and they find out you are foreigners. It is known that group dynamics will push individuals to escalate their personal challenges until they hurt or kill you.

[Tiger 888]

OWL,

I am done. I don't need to defend myself. I don't want to be your friend. Like they say, it makes no sense to feed the trolls.

Just my POV.

OAH...

OAH, don't waste your time where you don't belong. I normally don't even read this thread, but saw your post and popped in.

[OldAsiaHand]

OWL,

I am done. I don't need to defend myself. I don't want to be your friend. Like they say, it makes no sense to feed the trolls.

Just my POV.

OAH.

P. S. FYI, the only girl in ZH I had a fight with was an LHL girl, not a BBS girl. She tried to charge me 400 RMB for 200 RMB service after the deed because I was a foreigner. I refused to pay double. And, this was on another occasion, not the time I met you. And, I do not recall even going to any BBS with you when we met. As I remember, you took the LHL girl and we did not see you until the next day.

Your recollection is full of vivid shit. Why are you so concerned about anyone's fantasies? Or are you just picking fights?

Who are you to say the going rate was 1200Y? Perhaps you have been immersing in the gutter too long so you don't know. Girls from all high-class KTV in SZ were then 1500Y for all night. Recently I found out nice club girls can be had for 1000Y all night but it takes some hanging out.

Why are you questioning my honesty. I maintain everything I posted in ISG is my own personal experience, rich and colorful perhaps, but absolutely without embellishments or exaggeration, except 1 case which I did mention. Anyone suspecting my honesty is automatically not my friend. I don't antagonize people. I only defend myself and respond in kinds.

I challenge you to prove any fantasies, untruths or any unilateral antagonism here. You are just a dumb jerk, making accusations without any proof.

Your problems are you look like something Dr. Frankenstein put together, and you act like the roughest trash. If you don't have good times and good sex with the girls, just look at yourself in the mirror. Don't blame other people, and don't assume others' good times are just fantasies.

The first time I met you in Zhuhai, the little girl you picked up from the BBS looked at you full of anger and hatred. She had to go with you but she could not hide her contempt for you. I would never take a girl if she acted like she was forced into doing it. So I was not surprised when you had a fight with her after the deed.

By your statement here, every one should see you are not ready to bury your hatchet. Do us all a favor and stick your hatchet up your dumb, ghetto ass.

[One Wing Low]

I guess you are right.

A lot of these people in anonymous forums are mental cases that should not be taken seriously.

In my case, I am only defending my journalistic integrity.

Owl;

How many times have you been to China?

How long on average was each trip?

Did you adventure alone each time or with other more experienced members?

It seems like you are taking every one's opinion too seriously. People do make mistakes and learn from them.

[One Wing Low]

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[One Wing Low]

Hi Fran.

I have been to China too many times. I don't remember the exact number. 1 or 2 a year for the last 8 years.

I usually stay for 10 days to 2 week, sometimes including other places in Asia, Thailand, The Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia etc. .

Most time I go with 1 or 2 local bros. Many times I went by myself, searching the BBS in SZ, Changping, Zhuhai. Have not been robbed or threatened in any way in those poor villages.

The local bros I hang out with have excellent love life with no-pros and the occasional pros.
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Owl;

How many times have you been to China?

How long on average was each trip?

Did you adventure alone each time or with other more experienced members?

It seems like you are taking every one's opinion too seriously. People do make mistakes and learn from them.

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was redacted or deleted to remove sections of the report that were largely antagonistic. Please read the Forum FAQ and the Forum's Posting Guidelines for more information. Thank You!

[One Wing Low]

Your recollection is full of vivid shit. Why are you so concerned about anyone's fantasies? Or are you just picking fights?

Who are you to say the going rate was 1200Y? Perhaps you have been immersing in the gutter too long so you don't know. Girls from all high-class KTV in SZ were then 1500Y for all night. Recently I found out nice club girls can be had for 1000Y all night but it takes some hanging out.

Why are you questioning my honesty. I maintain everything I posted in ISG is my own personal experience, rich and colorful perhaps, but absolutely without embellishments or exaggeration, except 1 case which I did mention. Anyone suspecting my honesty is automatically not my friend. I don't antagonize people. I only defend myself and respond in kinds.

I challenge you to prove any fantasies, untruths or any unilateral antagonism here. You are just a dumb jerk, making accusations without any proof.

Your problems are you look like something Dr. Frankenstein put together, and you act like the roughest trash. If you don't have good times and good sex with the girls, just look at yourself in the mirror. Don't blame other people, and don't assume others' good times are just fantasies.

The first time I met you in Zhuhai, the little girl you picked up from the BBS looked at you full of anger and hatred. She had to go with you but she could not hide her contempt for you. I would never take a girl if she acted like she was forced into doing it. So I was not surprised when you had a fight with her after the deed.

By your statement here, every one should see you are not ready to bury your hatchet. Do us all a favor and stick your hatchet up your dumb, ghetto ass.

OWL,

I also have a vivid recollection of this from the previous posts. You paid the girl 2, 400 RMB when the going rate was 1, 200 RMB. I guess you pay double as a matter of course.

Just my POV.

OAH.

P. S. I am willing to bury the hatchet if you just come out of the fantasies, confess to the truth and stop with your antagonism of my friends.

[OldAsiaHand]

I don't remember giving any girl 800Y tip for overtime. The KTV girl I took in ShenZhen was 1500Y plus a 200 or 300Y for her overtime, but not 800Y. Her name was Ting Hwa, a very pretty, young, nice, sweet and sexy girl. I was staying at the Landmark hotel in Luohu, recently changed its name to Crowne Plaza, which is one of the best 5-star hotel in SZ. She changed to street clothes and went with me, carrying an old, tattered hand bag made of cloth. I really felt for the poor girl. She stayed up just about all night watching Chinese movies on the big NEC plasma TV while I caressed her beautiful body and made love to her in between drifting in and out to sleep.

OWL,

I also have a vivid recollection of this from the previous posts. You paid the girl 2, 400 RMB when the going rate was 1, 200 RMB. I guess you pay double as a matter of course.

Just my POV.

OAH.

P. S. I am willing to bury the hatchet if you just come out of the fantasies, confess to the truth and stop with your antagonism of my friends.

[OldAsiaHand]

Moody used to attack me in the China thread over every little insignificant and meaningless details, like he had a big grudge against me and was obsessed and crazy. I have never even met the guy. Now he's baring his backgrounds and his motivations. I am touched by his sincerity.

I have been accused of lies and exaggerations in this forum. I will stand my ground and fight that, having been a journalist, everything I posted in this forum has been the truths, personal experiences reported in the fairest and most objective ways, aimed to assist the occasional travelers to have the best times with the girls, the local people and cultures, and to protect themselves from harms. I think of myself as a reporter in war zones. Some of the mongering destinations are indeed as dangerous as war zones.

My posts are not only about what girls, where to go to fuck for less money etc. They are sometimes about the unique ways of lives of local people whom I came across. But the truths are sometimes so brutal that they may have made the local guys sensitive.

I remember meeting the ISG guys the first time in Zhuhai. One of the guys bought me a cup of coffee on Lien Hua Lu and suggested that I picked up 1 of the very cute young girls named Bin Bin. Boy, was she one of the prettiest, sexiest, most erotic girl ever. I had a great time with that girl and came back to Zhuhai the next year to screw her again.

But I also reported that the coffee with cream gave me severe food poisoning that lasted over 1 week, and that the traditional Chinese medicines suggested by the bros did not do shit, and that I gave Bin Bin double the local ST rate by mistake. I was tryign to warn other travelers about the risk of losing the whole vacation by drinking off the street stalls, but the bros got all pissed off at me for allegedly bad mouthing China.

It's confirmed recently that milk and cream in China have sometimes been laced with Melanine, a poisonous inorganic chemical, to improve the taste, but can kill or permanently damage people's health. Also if you do searches in the internet, you will find plenty of credible sources that confirm those traditional Chinese medicines are mostly scams designed to extract money and sometimes harming the desperately ills.

So I think due to my truthful, fair and balanced travel reports in China, with the aims to assist other travelers, I have been treated badly by a few guys who hang out in the China thread, fighting tooth and nails over petty, meaningless details to boost their own low esteem. Needless to say I don't have high regards for guys who are quick to cry that someone else lies. Those are usually the biggest liars of all.

I had some very good times in China and would like to express my gratitude to the bros who unselfishly and patiently showed me the rope when I had zero Chinese capability then. I still maintain contact and occasionally meet those bros for good times when my travels permit.

I did expect Moody to go ballistic after my last post. However looks like he has found religion and tried to smooth things out. I think we are all way too sensitive over little things in this forum. We should be bigger and wiser men than this. I suggest that we all stop criticizing others, and contribute our own news, facts, experiences, analyses, feelings ect. To the forum and let the bros decide on their own who are better and more trust worthy.

If you guys agree to bury your hatchets, I will retract all my nasty comments and look forward to partying with you all when and where we can all pull the best intelligence together to have the best times.

What do you say?

[QUOTE =Moody]Allow me to set the record straight OWL, I'm not exactly a cheapskate, as the many people who have met me can attest. I don't however, go around tipping girls 800 Yuan for hanging out with me til noon. That's called overpaying and ruining the market, and I have too much respect for the guys who do all the footwork to ruin it for them.

I wouldn't say I'm proud of buying hookers, but I do it for pleasure. Like smoking and drinking, I'm not proud of those either, but I do it because it gives me great pleasure. Same thing with the hookers.

I will however, admit to growing up in the ghetto. When I was a kid, my immigrant parents didn't have a lot of money until about 1980, when they bought their first house.

Why you hating on the ghetto? Did some of those guys scare you or beat you up when you were a kid? It's ok, I had my share if beatdowns when I was growing up. I also had my share of wins too. Don't worry OWL, I still love you.

[/QUOTE]OWL,

Let me recap what I remember. I still have a vivid recollection of your Zhuhai experience. The ISG guys were Bill Lee (RIP) , AG, Superforce99 (formerly known as Johnnykon666) and myself. We were waiting for Santa who took the wrong train from Shanghai. We were headed on a roadtrip together when he arrived.

We all went to LHL with you and sat down at one of the green umbrella places and had some drinks. You spotted a girl you liked and asked Bill the going rate. He told you it was 200RMB ST. Off you went with her back to your hotel. Now, how is it possible that you accidentally paid double when you had been told the rate less than one hour before?

This is the first I've heard about the food poisoning. I also remember that you joined us for lunch the next day before you left and did not mention anything about stomach problems or ask any of us about remedies. Is this another fantasy?

Finally, I have known Moody for a long time. He is a very good natured guy. He would never have attacked you if you did not provoke him with your antagonism. Isn't that why you now are restricted to posting only on this thread?

Just my POV.

OAH