One Wing Low in China

[Fran123]

Owl;

How many times have you been to China?

How long on average was each trip?

Did you adventure alone each time or with other more experienced members ?

It seems like you are taking every one's opinion too seriously. People do make mistakes and learn from them.

[Ace Gallant]

Well OWL, let me try to be fair and give you my personal opinion.

Most of the guys I had met from the board are relatively nice. Everyone have their own views and different experience from their approach to the same incidents, this was caused by different situation, meeting different people or timing or different skills set from each different member. Like what you had said, you have zero mandarin skills, so the girls tends to 'bully' you and sometimes you may need to pay some extra 'tips' to get rid of them or even to get better services out of them; this is normal. But in the eye of regular mongers in China whom may speak a little more mandarin and who is more experience; they may say that you are BS or spoil the market. They are entitled to their point of view, but they are not you, not in the same situations or conditions or different levels of generosity or whatever. So if you don't agree it is perfectly understandable, just take their comments as a pinch of salt.

I used to be like you, get very frustrated when people start calling me names or argue on what I actually experienced, but after travelling around the world for the last two years, exchanging views with a lot of fellow ISG members, I realized that there are many kind of people in this world that are very different. Even more so, there are so many different kinds of people on the board. There people who are just lurkers, braggers, people with huge Ego whom main purpose of posting is just to show that they know a lot and always wants to been seen as the 'Hero', people who wants to share (and hopefully get some help from other members in areas that are new to them) and there are people who use the board as one of their business tool. Whatever the purpose of board to these people, they are here for their own interest. From there, I knew that I shouldn't be spending time arguing with other members just because we have a different point of view because they are NOT YOU!

I had a lengthy face to face discussion with Jackson and he had enlighten me on some of his points of view which led me to one conclusion: No matter how well you manage the board trying to separate the Antagonist from the members who posted good information, no matter how many post a member had posted, there will be some idiots. And these idiots will be those who think the world revolve around them. So in order not to be another idiot, you need to read the board with an open mind. Ignore the attackers, leave them alone, don't attack them back. Do not feed the trolls! The best way to defend is not to defend and let the public decide who is right and who is wrong. It does matter whether if you are right or wrong, the most important point is that you know you are right as you had experience it yourself or seen it with your very own eyes. Be a happier guy and not to be frustrated with people who had attacked you. I bet you these people will not dare to even come near you and really attack you in person!

So having said all these. Don't worry, be happy! Continue to post good information and Jokes! I love them!

Enjoy!

AG

[One Wing Low]

"On the way to your destination, it's fun to shoot rocks at barking dogs with your sling shots.". Adolph Hitler, allegedly while doing doggy on Eva Braun. .

" You will never reach your destination if you stop and throw stones at every dog that barks." Winston Churchill.

What a piece of wisdom from a moral and courageous leader of men.

A few old guys in the China thread are big egos guys, so proud of their knowledge, skills and expertise in mongering, immersing their low lives in prostitution dens, nit picking, fighting tooth and nails over little, insignificant things. They make me laugh how some old men could be so stupid and petty.

These guys are clearly mental cases, not much different from rabid barking dogs.

We should focus on enjoying our lives and the companies of our good friends and steer clear stupid barking dogs.

[One Wing Low]

I used to hang out with a bunch of Air Force and Marines pilots. Those guys were flying combat low and slow with their asses hang out over the jungle of Vietnam, kicking VC's in their balls. They could have had their balls shot off any days, quite a few did. Got to admit their languages were salty.

I don't remember giving any girl 800Y tip for overtime. The KTV girl I took in ShenZhen was 1500Y plus a 200 or 300Y for her overtime, but not 800Y. Her name was Ting Hwa, a very pretty, young, nice, sweet and sexy girl. I was staying at the Landmark hotel in Luohu, recently changed its name to Crowne Plaza, which is one of the best 5-star hotel in SZ. She changed to street clothes and went with me, carrying an old, tattered hand bag made of cloth. I really felt for the poor girl. She stayed up just about all night watching Chinese movies on the big NEC plasma TV while I caressed her beautiful body and made love to her in between drifting in and out to sleep.

In the morning, I took her to the breakfast buffet, which is one of the best and largest in SZ. There were a lot of older Chinese couples having breakfast. The old men were eyeing this sweet young girl with lust; the old women with hatred and contempt. I did not give a flying fuck what they thought of us. She was my guest. It was very nice to see her really enjoy the over abundant offer of fancy food.

There was only one time I exaggerated, which I did mentioned it in the post, to make a point. That was when I was invited to a big dinner with a few big-wig party officials. A few of the older men were veterans of wars. At first they were very careful with me. But after a few drinks, we were relaxed, talking, laughing, exchanging war stories like buddies. Hehehe. Meanwhile their old wives were sitting stiff and dry, like statues. They were so afraid of making mistakes that would embarrassed their husbands that they would not dare do any talking or socializing. I pity any guys who have to do wife-swapping parties with those old women hehehe.

That was when I thought of taking these party officials away from their stiff, old wives for a tour of the Seibu alleys and introducing them to the many sweet, sexy, young girls whom I was banging days and night. I exaggerated that the old guys would probably have their faces in the crotches of those young girls, licking their wet pussies all night. It was an exaggeration and only a fleeting fantasy for a quick moment. I did feel bad for my new war comrades who have to sleep with and fuck those old, stiff, wrinkled mummies every night hehehe.

In my next visit a few months later, an older man and his young English-speaking aide did take me to a dinner in ShenZhen. We had a good time talking with the young guy's interpretation, with lots of drinking. They then took me to a sauna with allegedly the sweetest and best-looking girls in all China. But they had too much to drink. By the time we got to the sauna, the young guy disappeared, passing out in a massage room. The old guy was puking his stomach out every where when the pretty young girls started their foot massages. The club sent people in with buckets to clean up the mess. I was afraid the old man would die and I would be implicated. So after repeatedly asking the sauna management to take care of the old man with my nonexistent Chinese and lots of gesturing, I paid the reception with a bunch of Chinese bills and took a taxi back to the hotel.

The next day the young aide called up and apologized that he and his boss got too drunk to provide proper company for me. Got to say these Chinese officials I know are very honest, sincere and friendly as friends. I feel safe with them. Got to to admit the Chinese are very gracious and generous hosts, more so than most countries I have been to.

I only know a few places in ShenZhen, ChangPing, Houjie, Zhuhai etc. I still remember my tour of Southern China, picking up ornery girls, eating lots of the same seafood, due to lack of Chinese. Would love to take up your offer for a tour of the sexiest towns in China. You probably know all the good spots with the prettiest girls, the tastiest foods and the funnest parties. You probably know many small towns which are still active with abundant offers of girls and funs. If we ever get into any trouble with LE, you can talk or bribe our ways out of it.

Why don't you lay out a proposed itinerary at year end, where we can find the sexiest, funnest, best-looking girls, and the tastiest foods, for non-stop partying, so the whole forum can salivate. .

What? Who The F dares to say our dear Moody is a Cheapskate? OWL? I kick you by your balls if I hear that from you personally hahahaha! The kicking you by the balls part was a joke learnt from you, nice joke really, so I pass it on.

Well. I think OWL's tip of 800 Yuan was a joke also right?

Woohooh. Moody cool down cool man. Just take OWL as our resident joker.

Hey OWL? Why don't you just post on the main board some of your real experience and you can leave those jokes and exaggerated stuff back in your thread. This way no one will attack you.

And like Moody, I also love to have you around! Perhaps you can drop me a note when you are coming into China? I can show you around, other cities as well?

Enjoy!

AG

[One Wing Low]

Moody used to attack me in the China thread over every little insignificant and meaningless details, like he had a big grudge against me and was obsessed and crazy. I have never even met the guy. Now he's baring his backgrounds and his motivations. I am touched by his sincerity.

I have been accused of lies and exaggerations in this forum. I will stand my ground and fight that, having been a journalist, everything I posted in this forum has been the truths, personal experiences reported in the fairest and most objective ways, aimed to assist the occasional travelers to have the best times with the girls, the local people and cultures, and to protect themselves from harms. I think of myself as a reporter in war zones. Some of the mongering destinations are indeed as dangerous as war zones.

My posts are not only about what girls, where to go to fuck for less money etc. They are sometimes about the unique ways of lives of local people whom I came across. But the truths are sometimes so brutal that they may have made the local guys sensitive.

I remember meeting the ISG guys the first time in Zhuhai. One of the guys bought me a cup of coffee on Lien Hua Lu and suggested that I picked up 1 of the very cute young girls named Bin Bin. Boy, was she one of the prettiest, sexiest, most erotic girl ever. I had a great time with that girl and came back to Zhuhai the next year to screw her again.

But I also reported that the coffee with cream gave me severe food poisoning that lasted over 1 week, and that the traditional Chinese medicines suggested by the bros did not do shit, and that I gave Bin Bin double the local ST rate by mistake. I was tryign to warn other travelers about the risk of losing the whole vacation by drinking off the street stalls, but the bros got all pissed off at me for allegedly bad mouthing China.

It's confirmed recently that milk and cream in China have sometimes been laced with Melanine, a poisonous inorganic chemical, to improve the taste, but can kill or permanently damage people's health. Also if you do searches in the internet, you will find plenty of credible sources that confirm those traditional Chinese medicines are mostly scams designed to extract money and sometimes harming the desperately ills.

So I think due to my truthful, fair and balanced travel reports in China, with the aims to assist other travelers, I have been treated badly by a few guys who hang out in the China thread, fighting tooth and nails over petty, meaningless details to boost their own low esteem. Needless to say I don't have high regards for guys who are quick to cry that someone else lies. Those are usually the biggest liars of all.

I had some very good times in China and would like to express my gratitude to the bros who unselfishly and patiently showed me the rope when I had zero Chinese capability then. I still maintain contact and occasionally meet those bros for good times when my travels permit.

I did expect Moody to go ballistic after my last post. However looks like he has found religion and tried to smooth things out. I think we are all way too sensitive over little things in this forum. We should be bigger and wiser men than this. I suggest that we all stop criticizing others, and contribute our own news, facts, experiences, analyses, feelings ect. To the forum and let the bros decide on their own who are better and more trust worthy.

If you guys agree to bury your hatchets, I will retract all my nasty comments and look forward to partying with you all when and where we can all pull the best intelligence together to have the best times.

What do you say?[QUOTE =Moody]Allow me to set the record straight OWL, I'm not exactly a cheapskate, as the many people who have met me can attest. I don't however, go around tipping girls 800 Yuan for hanging out with me til noon. That's called overpaying and ruining the market, and I have too much respect for the guys who do all the footwork to ruin it for them.

I wouldn't say I'm proud of buying hookers, but I do it for pleasure. Like smoking and drinking, I'm not proud of those either, but I do it because it gives me great pleasure. Same thing with the hookers.

I will however, admit to growing up in the ghetto. When I was a kid, my immigrant parents didn't have a lot of money until about 1980, when they bought their first house.

Why you hating on the ghetto? Did some of those guys scare you or beat you up when you were a kid? It's ok, I had my share if beatdowns when I was growing up. I also had my share of wins too. Don't worry OWL, I still love you.[/QUOTE]

[One Wing Low]

Moody is a stupid thug, hanging out in the China thread, nit-picking and fighting like ghetto trash.

Moody is an uneducated, insecure old guy, proud of his prostitution involvement, who would lie, cheat, steal, murder for a few bucks.

I would suggest the bros to be very careful with these unprincipled low lifes. It's best to keep away from them.

[One Wing Low]

" You will never reach your destination if you stop and throw stones at every dog that barks." Winston Churchill.

What a piece of wisdom from a moral and courageous leader of men.

A few old guys in the China thread are big egos guys, so proud of their knowledge, skills and expertise in mongering, immersing their low lives in prostitution dens, nit picking, fighting tooth and nails over little, insignificant things. They make me laugh how some old men could be so stupid and petty.

These guys are clearly mental cases, not much different from rabid barking dogs.

We should focus on enjoying our lives and the companies of our good friends and steer clear stupid barking dogs.

[One Wing Low]

I share Ace Gallant's frustration, having been victims of rude personal attacks by mean, nasty, nit-picking low lifes, whom SE ASIA is a fine example.

SE ASIA JOE is not doing this forum a favor with his rude remarks and his negative comments over little things that are non substance in this forum. The bros can quickly see SE ASIA JOE as just a negative, insecure, jealous, obnoxious, nasty old man, finding faults and picking fights in some dirtiest manners.

Have not met the man in person, but by his conducts in this forum, I concluded SE ASIA JOE is not a gentleman. I don't understand why anyone should want to party with such a uncivilized and despicable old man.

Please be civilized and stick to the facts. If you want to dispute someone else's facts, make sure you have given it your considered thoughts, and have enough evidence to back up your facts. Otherwise you are just a stupid, dirty low life who should be avoided. [/QUOTE=ACE GALLANT]

Frankly, *I don't care a dam about what Joe said anymore. As you'd seen, I started my coming back with a very genuine question about the change of officer and all I get back was attacks from him. *

I fully agree with you about having a clean board with information and leave the pissing in the toilets, that's why I said "Quit the chit chats *go to the facts".

Well enough of all these. If he want to continue these meaningless fights ask him to go f himself! Let's get back to Where's the pussies at?

Ps. I was only encouraged to come back to posting by Jackson after meeting him in person. He's the

BTW: Jackson told me that he is revamping the Forum with a better structure so that we can have escorts, agents, and people who love to have their own thread start and have control of their own threads. This way it will get rid of people who loves to post useless posts without been attack by others.

So you guys stay tune for his latest release!

Enjoy.

AG[/QUOTE]

[One Wing Low]

I share Ace Gallant's frustration, having been victims of personal attacks by mean, nasty, nit-picking low lifes, whom SE ASIA is a fine example.

SE ASIA JOE is not doing this forum a favor with his rude remarks and his negative comments over little things that are non substance in this forum. The bros can quickly see SE ASIA JOE as just a negative, insecure, jealous, obnoxious, nasty old man, finding faults and picking fights in some dirtiest manners.

Have not met the man in person, but by his conducts in this forum, I concluded SE ASIA JOE is not a gentleman. I don't understand why anyone should want to party with such a uncivilized and despicable old man.

Please be civilized and stick to the facts. If you want to dispute someone else's facts, make sure you have given it your considered thoughts, and have enough evidence to back up your facts. Otherwise you are just a stupid, dirty low life who should be avoided. [/QUOTE=ACE GALLANT]

Frankly, *I don't care a dam about what Joe said anymore. As you'd seen, I started my coming back with a very genuine question about the change of officer and all I get back was attacks from him. *

I fully agree with you about having a clean board with information and leave the pissing in the toilets, that's why I said "Quit the chit chats *go to the facts".

Well enough of all these. If he want to continue these meaningless fights ask him to go f himself! Let's get back to Where's the pussies at?

Ps. I was only encouraged to come back to posting by Jackson after meeting him in person. He's the

BTW: Jackson told me that he is revamping the Forum with a better structure so that we can have escorts, agents, and people who love to have their own thread start and have control of their own threads. This way it will get rid of people who loves to post useless posts without been attack by others.

So you guys stay tune for his latest release!

Enjoy.

AG[/QUOTE]

[One Wing Low]

Ace was gone for a few years. He's back in Dongguang.

Let's face it, we will never be liked by everyone. Let's hope he would ignore the little annoying fleas and just post his info for the benefits of the bros.

He can be very helpful with the bros re latest mongering info.

[One Wing Low]

Hi Eddie,

I have not been to Cambodia in a few years. I had great times with young girls in PnomPenh and Siemrep.

Looks like Cambodia's government has been clamping down on prostitution, making it more difficult and expensive to buy sex.

At $30 for short time with older girls, it's not worth going to Cambodia.

To OWL.

I afraid you are 10 yr too late most of the young hot viet are gone, you get mostly older viet or khmer girl now an they are charging 30 USD for st not like 10 yr ago you can bang a young viet for 7 USD or 15 USD all night and K11 is gone no more village brothel you can go door to door and sample the good.

Fast Eddie 48

[Fast Eddie 48]

A bro who lives in Pnom Penh has said most venues now are 70% or more Cambodian.

Viet girls are now the minority.

May be a good time to try Cambodia

To OWL.

I afraid you are 10 yr too late most of the young hot viet are gone, you get mostly older viet or khmer girl now an they are charging 30 USD for st not like 10 yr ago you can bang a young viet for 7 USD or 15 USD all night and K11 is gone no more village brothel you can go door to door and sample the good.

Fast Eddie 48

[One Wing Low]

thanks to the bro tally walker who posted this news. this ugly scenario could also happen hong kong, manilla, angeles city, bankok etc. i have to be more careful from now on.

the philippinas hanging out in the bars on tongren lu are just absolutely old and ugly, the worst in any bar in the world. it's torture just looking at these old women trying to sell drink and sex with their horrible lack of attractiveness. i don't know how the bars on tongren lu stay in business staffed mostly with those old, ugly, wrinkled philippinas. the phil transvestites must look even worse. but after hanging out in the bars drinking the guys must have been too horny and their recognition and judgement impaired. it must feel stupid to be duped and robbed by a bunch of ugly transvestites.

there are big risks picking up free lancers anywhere in the world. hotels in asia are very sensitive about tourists get drugged and robbed or have things stolen in the room. so when one bring in girls at night, they usually insist on holding on to the girls' i'd card or at least record their identities.

the hotel i stay at in shenzhen used to send a security guy to the room to record the girls' identities when i brought them in late at night. but lately they have relaxed a lot of their security procedures. looks like they are trying to reverse a general decline in business for most hotels in china.

when taking girls for overnight, it's not smart to pick up freelancers from just any public places like bars, streets, shopping malls etc. it's more secured to take them up from reliable venues like ktvs, saunas or well-known mommies. have the hotel make a copy of the photo i'd cards. hide your valuables in the safes. then you can relax and have some fun.

did not happen in the philippines but i guess it could and does.

"they pretended to be females, hanging around bars or other places to lure males, and offered them drinks or snacks in which they put anaesthetic drugs. once the males became unconscious they took all money from them."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9aa_1343498278

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9aa_1343498278

five filipino males got jail sentences on robbery in shanghai.

they pretended to be females, hanging around bars or other places to lure males, and offered them drinks or snacks in which they put anaesthetic drugs. once the males became unconscious they took all money from them.

google translate.

5 filipino men posing as women seduce foreign men in shanghai, sleeping pills, narcotic robbery to rob the victims property. 18, the shanghai no. 1 intermediate people's court about the robbery of first instance sentenced five defendants were found guilty of robbery, the court sentenced his 9 years to 13 years imprisonment.

john garcia, daba las roman, malak is less than 30-year-old filipino male, while considering their dress up as the girl looked like in shanghai, engaged in sexual services. the end of last year, john came up with sleeping pills, narcotic seduce foreigners robbing. their access to entertainment, shanghai tongren road, grand hyatt rooftop bar expatriates concentrated to the identity of the young women take the knowledge of foreign men, and sexual services, to induce the latter to the bait. they tend to be both partner committing the crime, together with each other to reach the hotel or guest accommodation, to trick each other and eating chocolate or beer mixed with sleeping pills, wait until after sleeping rob property, sleeping pills provided by john garcia.

the court found that, in december 2008 to february 2009, john garcia, daba las roman, marrack gang used such methods were robbed in the value of 34 million yuan in cash, precious watches, mobile phones and bank cards and other belongings, succeeded by john, fake victims to use a credit card, buy cosmetics, mobile phones and other valuables stolen goods such as gold products are kept by john. after the victim reported to the police incident.

in shanghai intermediate people's court after hearing that the defendant john garcia, daba las roman, marrack for the purpose of illegal possession of narcotic means to rob other people's property, which constituted a robbery, and the department of robbery a huge amount; which john garcia, roman department burglary. taking into account the performance of the five defendants appearing in court and other factors, the court sentenced john to 13 years imprisonment, roman 12 years, ahmedabad las 11 years, malak 10 years, garcia nine years, fined and deported, the stolen money, stolen property be recovered, the illegal gains shall be confirep001ed.

[One Wing Low]

Was in ShenZhen China for 10 days.

Had enough time to comb the BBS villages many times day and night for fresh young girls. There are always young girls available in the villages at any time of the day.

Went to a large sauna outside of ShenZhen where model-quality young girls were presented on fashion show runways for selection. Had a great time with a 18 YO from ShenZhen. She was sexy and horny, lying in bed, tuning in the porn channel on the big screen monitor while having passionate sex with me many times in the 2 hours.

Went to a KTV partying with friends and a 18 YO girl from Wuhan, Hubei. My bro kept telling me people from Wuhan are very ruthless who should be avoided. But this Wuhan girl turned out very nice and sweet and passionate. She really enjoyed the long love session we made in bed.

Went to a few clubs where young boys and girls party and dance all night to ear-splitting hip-hop music. Brain numbing hip-hop music is played non stop in every club. I cannot understand why young people in China like it so much. There were hundreds of young, pretty girls in their sexy party dresses hang out, partying with guys in the club. They all seem to frequent the club and know each other.

While most non-pro girls I met would never let me pay for anything for them, I was told 90% of the young partying girls would pick up guys for all night sex for about 1000Y. There was no way for me to propose anything to any girls in the ear-splitting music. For people who don't hang out frequently in these clubs, it's possible to ask the waiters or waitresses to bring you girls to your requirements. They would hook you up. But it's impossible to talk in the clubs with extremely loud music.

Girls in China are young, fresh, beautiful with their unique innocent charms. Allegedly the most beautiful young girls from all over Mexico are drawn to Clubs in Tijuana to make quick money. Still Mexican girls look older, tired and worn out. In contrast, young, fresh, sexy and attractive girls can be found everywhere in many different venues in China.

I miss China and her pretty innocent girls badly.

[One Wing Low]

A bro who lives in Pnom Penh has said most venues now are 70% or more Cambodian.

Viet girls are now the minority.

May be a good time to try Cambodia