Prices

[Jake993]

Ppt,

Well, your problem is obvious. You've been living in Russia too long! You lucky bastard. (smile)

I can only dream about what that must be like. Unfortunately, I don't live in Moscow and I may be wrong about this, but I don't think Jake does either. Now that Pizdyets is gone, I believe you and Kurenda are the only members posting here who actually live in Russia.

Strav, You are correct. I do not live here. In fact I am here now and will be here for six weeks this time, I do not live here full time. But for 2011, I will probably spend more than 50% of time here. I have to tell you though that I think a monger's impression if whether a place is a "destination" or not is a matter of interpretation. We have probably come as close to beating this topic to death but the place has changed. For better or worse? I suppose that's matter of opinion. My first time to Moscow was 2005 and the old timers were waxing lyrical and "pinning for the good old days". Today, I long for the good old days of 2005. But like Carly Simon sang in her song,"These are the good old days". For someone coming to Moscow for the first time this year, they will probably have a good time and remember the impression forever with fondness.

[Sharalumi]

There are more of us living in Moscow, but for various reasons some of us have to retain a lower profile.

My first experience in Moscow was back in 1992 and I have been enjoying the attention of the local beauties since then.

I still speak poor Russian and have found that many younger chicks are still attracted to a foreigner. I remember an experience in the metro last summer and still meet the girl occasionally!

I am very often in NightFlight but not for the dragons. The restaurant is excellent and the bar still has it's attractions, more for conversations as, apart from a freebie in September, I have not had a good GFE experience from here for a long time.

I sponsor a number of girls that I have either met though Omen or from meeting in cafes / bars. I pay then R. 10, 000 maximum per meeting and have never been disappointed. They are not pros, just sexy chicks that don't get laid very often. All are under 30 and happy to please a slightly overweight expat. I even have a little duo who entertain me together for just R. 8000 (for both).

Meeting a 35 year old tomorrow night as fancy trying a MILF (er) experience. Again through Omen.

Thanks to a recommendation I am also trying Badoo, will see what this brings.

Keep mongering!

Ppt,

Well, your problem is obvious. You've been living in Russia too long! You lucky bastard. (smile)

I can only dream about what that must be like. Unfortunately, I don't live in Moscow and I may be wrong about this, but I don't think Jake does either. Now that Pizdyets is gone, I believe you and Kurenda are the only members posting here who actually live in Russia.

Now, you can move around freely and do as you please, without too much hindrance, like a fish in water. You've become comfortable with the language, the culture and the women: so much so, that you have become addicted to them.

But cast your mind back, if you can, to that day when you first arrived in Russia. Try to remember how strange it was. The language, the people, the food, just trying to read something as simple as a street sign. Or find your way around the Metro. It can be a strange and overpowering experience. Particularly for someone coming from the West. How long did it take you to overcome that?

And then the women. All those gorgeous women, just sort of, well, you know, walking around. Where did they all come from? And more importantly, how can I meet one?

The most important quality of a mongering destination is that it has to be accessible: in all ways; travel, language, access to women, lodging, food and drink, plus reasonable prices and value. I think Moscow represents none of those any more, at least not for the casual Western tourist.

Think about it. Some guy arrives in Moscow, settles into his 600 Euro / night hotel room and decides to go out for a little nookie. Where does he go? There was a time, years ago, when a place like Night Flight, or even Hot Dogs was a no-brainer. For 200 or 300 USD, you could just grab a girl and go: beautiful girl, all night. Simple.

But those days are gone. Now, the dragons at Night Flight will eat him for lunch and the goblins at Hot Dogs will roast him whole and have him for dinner.

Where does he go? I suppose places like Aurora 911 and Penthouse are fairly accessible. Throw some money at the girl to get in, Mojito is the universal drink request, throw some money at the dancers, pick a girl and stuff a fist full of rubles into her hand and she takes you to the room. I haven't been to Penthouse, but a night at Aurora could cost you 500, 600, or 700 USD. For that kind of money, you could get laid for a week in most of Latin America or Asia.

The brothels are another option. Places like Fantasys or Charmel will actually come and retrieve you, if you are within walking distance. The girls line up, you pays your money and you takes your chance. All for a fairly reasonable price.

But that's pretty much it. A guy who doesn't speak Russian will never connect with anyone else; independent girls, apartment girls, massage parlors, or that cute young thing sitting at the table across from you at Shokolade.

And Mamba? Now there's an exercise in futility. It's going to take a lot of cutting-and-pasting to develop a relationship with one of those girls that will result in anything tangible.

Don't get me wrong, I love Russia. I'm just as addicted to Slavic women as you are. But Moscow is really no place for the casual tourist anymore. If you are there on business and the company is picking up the tab, then yes, by all means, take advantage of what the city has to offer. But don't go there for a few days thinking that you will have the time of your life.

[Stravinsky]

There is one point where I disagree with both of you: when you say that Moscow is not a monger destination anymore.

Ppt,

Well, your problem is obvious. You've been living in Russia too long! You lucky bastard. (smile)

I can only dream about what that must be like. Unfortunately, I don't live in Moscow and I may be wrong about this, but I don't think Jake does either. Now that Pizdyets is gone, I believe you and Kurenda are the only members posting here who actually live in Russia.

Now, you can move around freely and do as you please, without too much hindrance, like a fish in water. You've become comfortable with the language, the culture and the women: so much so, that you have become addicted to them.

But cast your mind back, if you can, to that day when you first arrived in Russia. Try to remember how strange it was. The language, the people, the food, just trying to read something as simple as a street sign. Or find your way around the Metro. It can be a strange and overpowering experience. Particularly for someone coming from the West. How long did it take you to overcome that?

And then the women. All those gorgeous women, just sort of, well, you know, walking around. Where did they all come from? And more importantly, how can I meet one?

The most important quality of a mongering destination is that it has to be accessible: in all ways; travel, language, access to women, lodging, food and drink, plus reasonable prices and value. I think Moscow represents none of those any more, at least not for the casual Western tourist.

Think about it. Some guy arrives in Moscow, settles into his 600 Euro / night hotel room and decides to go out for a little nookie. Where does he go? There was a time, years ago, when a place like Night Flight, or even Hot Dogs was a no-brainer. For 200 or 300 USD, you could just grab a girl and go: beautiful girl, all night. Simple.

But those days are gone. Now, the dragons at Night Flight will eat him for lunch and the goblins at Hot Dogs will roast him whole and have him for dinner.

Where does he go? I suppose places like Aurora 911 and Penthouse are fairly accessible. Throw some money at the girl to get in, Mojito is the universal drink request, throw some money at the dancers, pick a girl and stuff a fist full of rubles into her hand and she takes you to the room. I haven't been to Penthouse, but a night at Aurora could cost you 500, 600, or 700 USD. For that kind of money, you could get laid for a week in most of Latin America or Asia.

The brothels are another option. Places like Fantasys or Charmel will actually come and retrieve you, if you are within walking distance. The girls line up, you pays your money and you takes your chance. All for a fairly reasonable price.

But that's pretty much it. A guy who doesn't speak Russian will never connect with anyone else; independent girls, apartment girls, massage parlors, or that cute young thing sitting at the table across from you at Shokolade.

And Mamba? Now there's an exercise in futility. It's going to take a lot of cutting-and-pasting to develop a relationship with one of those girls that will result in anything tangible.

Don't get me wrong, I love Russia. I'm just as addicted to Slavic women as you are. But Moscow is really no place for the casual tourist anymore. If you are there on business and the company is picking up the tab, then yes, by all means, take advantage of what the city has to offer. But don't go there for a few days thinking that you will have the time of your life.

[C1234]

Has anyone ever sponsored a girl from mamba? Can you tell me your experiences?

[Passepartout]

Interesting discussion here with Jack and Strav.

I agree with Strav, the "attention to the customer" on sex talk or even intimcity corresponds to our GFE notion.

There is one point where I disagree with both of you: when you say that Moscow is not a monger destination anymore.

I think that we all live here and sometimes you lost the plot as you just consider normal what is an exceptional situation. I mean, try the sex paying market in Paris or London and then go back to Moscow: this city will appear as a paradise.

The other point - very personal opinion - Is that I like so much the russians girls that when I am abroad, I always end in looking for Russian market. In Bangkok, after 2 days of asian pussies and mentality I MUST find a Russian diev to laugh with, to play with, to discuss with.

I believe these girls are still the gem of the planet.

And as said Warren Jack Buffet: look for value not for price. This is why they are still, in my opinion, affordable and at a normal price.

I was in Germany recently and went to a FKK: first you pay your 80 euros entry fees, plus 60 euros for 30 minutes per girl. Of course you do 2 girls as you want to amortize the entry fee. So it costs you 200 euros for a 2 times 30 mns of sex. 30 mns in which it is quite difficult to get a real GFE.

200 euros is 8 000 rubles, you are very close from the 10 000 rubles you will face in HD for instance. Even if you don't speak Russian, in HD if you take your time to find a way to build a kind of relationship with the girl; have some laugh, some talks; and so on, no doubt you will get something back very nice for the 2 or 3 hours you will have with the girl. So finally?

I think that our recommandations for the short_term visitors of Moscow are known and good enough: translate sextalk. Ru (translator will give the global thing not all details but this is enough) , use intimcity and select only girls with good feed-backs, and then you will limit the invoice and get a good service.

For the visitors on a budget side there is also the massages saloons with a happy end (hand job) which are really inexpensive at 1 500/1800 rubles one hour.

[Stravinsky]

No one ever said Mongering was EASY!

You're right: it's a nasty, dirty job. But SOMEBODY has to do it!

I'm sure we'll all be looking forward to reading your reports.

[Jake993]

Jake,

That Chrome translator must be very good if it can translate the reports on sextalk. Ru. They are so full of slang and jargon that they can be difficult to understand even in Russian. Did Google compile it's own thesaurus of Russian mongering phrases? .

You would be SURPRISED at how well this new translator captures the tone of what they are saying.

What they understand by "relationship to the client" is essentially what we think of as GFE.

Ha, ha. You know what Strav? I think you're right! Never made the connection. Doh!

Going back in late January for about 6 weeks. I have no fewer than 7 projects on the go who are all in various stages of development. And I am convinced that's the way you have to play it. As they tiresome they drop off the end as you are constantly interviewing new recruits. No one ever said Mongering was EASY!

[Stravinsky]

Jake,

That Chrome translator must be very good if it can translate the reports on sextalk. Ru. They are so full of slang and jargon that they can be difficult to understand even in Russian. Did Google compile it's own thesaurus of Russian mongering phrases? .

I have to disagree with you that our Muscovite brothers are not interested GFE. They appreciate it as much as we do, they just don't spend as much time opining about it. They are certainly astute sex consumers, much better than we are, and sextalk. Ru helps them by allowing them to capture all kinds of valuable info that we can't here on ISG. They can score a girl for her sex skills, blowjob skills, her apartment and 1 other category: "relationship to the client" (normally, I would also include the Cyrillic spelling for reference, in case someone wanted to follow up on it, but this new Gelsoft software can't display Cyrillic letters. Apparently change does not always equal progress).

What they understand by "relationship to the client" is essentially what we think of as GFE.

You're right about prices in Russia being irrelevant (or at least they are in Moscow) , partly because, as you say, there is no direct correlation between price and quality, but mainly it's our fault because very few of us are good sex consumers.

Our Russian brethren actively work together to make sure that their women don't get spoiled by giving them too much money (bless their hearts). Take one of our Western tourists, however, with too much money to spend, and put him into that same situation and, well, there goes the neighborhood. Robin Williams once said that cocaine was,"God's way of telling you you're making too much money". I suppose the same could be said about 1, 000 Euro blow jobs.

I know from reading the reports on sextalk that the local Muscovite men are not grateful to us for poisoning their fishing hole. Fortunately for them, it's a big fishing hole.

I know we've talked about this before and I think we both agree: Moscow is no longer a mongering destination. If you've got some extra mad money and a week off, go to SEA or South America or the FKK clubs in Europe, but Moscow is no longer a place where the casual tourist can enjoy himself. In order to score in Moscow today, you have to be one of the following;

1. So rich that you don't care how much money you are spending (or working for a company that doesn't care how much money you are spending).

2. You have to have the "game" that enables you to hustle local dyeffki with a minimal amount of cash outlay.

3. Fairly fluent in Russian and able to make your way around town to places that the tourists can't get to, in which case there is a whole galaxy of sexual possibilities available to you.

Most important, you have to have time. You're right, short-timers will be at a disadvantage. If all you have is a few nights to spend, you'd be better off in Vegas.

What I don't understand is: it took us 3 years to persuade Jackson to create a thread for the Russian language, which is essential for anyone mongering in Russia, but then he creates a thread for Prices in less than 24 hours.

Go figure.

[AColonizer]

Wonderful, at last a specific thread for prices but I would like to suggest a better header "services with prices" because each price must be compared to the specific service. Jackson, you know, services are the less known part of our business and services are the real difference between a bargain and a waste.

It seems last readers have more brain than the previous ones, someone writes about sexual relationships with Russian girlfriends (do not take those ladies outside their motherland!) with no money exchange, therefore not professional prostitutes. I think this is the smartest way to have sex even if most men fuck any kind of women with no matter of beauty and, in according to male mindset, a girl is a beauty if she was fucked, therefore a lot of nice (and fucked) women here are not actually nice in reality.

Prices, prices, prices, how many times I have talked about prices? A lot. I see there is a correspondence between average prices of out-call prostitutes in Kiev and average prices of road prostitutes in Italy. I see the typical basic service is the swallow deepthroat blowjob either in Ukraine or Italy. For the history, prostitutes exist just because they are masters in swallow blowjobs. The difference between covered and uncovered is above-all since thirty years ago and, in my opinion, that is a ridicolous difference because for the itself definition of sex, sex means natural body fluid exchanges without any kind of barriers: skin to skin, heart to heart.

OK, now we are ready to establish an international sex (stock) exchange. The unit is not the share but the deepthroat swallow blowjob "made in FSU"."made in FSU" means "made by Slavic girls from Former Soviet Union either they are working inside FSU or outside FSU, for example in Italy.

How much is that unit? I think who better knows prices are pimps (they know the business, from a male point of view, better than any other males) but they never help us otherwise they lose the key of their own business. Therefore I report prices of my best hardcore prostitutes. Some of them is still working, some others are retired in early twenties (yes, early twenties) , all of them are Slavic, very nice, clever (cynical) , cheerful and piggish! From 1 January 2007 to 31 December 2010 the deepthroat swallow blowjob "made in FSU" is quoted 20/30 euros, when there are few customers even 10/15 euros, when customers are silly even 50/100 euros. I have a comprehensive quote of any kind of services but I stop here by now.

I want just to repeat an important rule in the sex market: there is no correspondence between higher price and better quality, that means customer, who pays higher price, seldom gets a better service, everything depends on discovering a pervert innocent beautiful girl for a cheap price and, I assure you, there are a lot in all over the world.

[Jake993]

20 year old who looked like Virginia Madsen and f""cked like a mink. 100 for the night and she cooked and cleaned the apartment on top of that and took me to the museums and opera's. You can't get any better than that. It's still there believe me. What a pooners paradise.

Peter

That's what I'm TALKING about!

And the $100 is not so much payment for services as a little something for her trouble.

A buddy of mine is a General Director of a Russian company. He has a wife and family back in the States but spends 75% of his time in Moscow. He has a girlfriend who is less than half his age with near-runway model looks and it does not seem to bother her one bit. She has a full time job as a sales person in the publishing business, but by her own admission she can't make ends meet in Moscow. Personally, I think she is a bit of a bit*ch, he's got a standing "date" with her Saturday night followed by her cooking breakfast Sunday morning. He helps her with her rent and feels quite free to troll for other "friends" in similar relationships and she appears to be quite satisfied with the arrangement for now.

He used to be a regular at NF and the salons but now only goes in to entertain visiting foreign business colleagues. I will contradict myself and say that the price of pussy has NOT gone up, but the game has evolved and we much evolve with it to get good value. As Russia has recovered from the financial crisis of the 90's and local guy's income stabilizes, girls are gravitating towards this kind of cozy relationship rather than the randomness of the pick-up bar. Money still changes hands but it has become more of an "arrangement" rather than a simple transaction.

Unfortunately, the loser in this equation is the Moscow short timer who does not have the time to invest. For you guys, I am afraid, the price of entry has DEFINITELY gone up and the value for dollar (Euro, Pound, Dinar, Dirham) has gone down.

Happy mongering and Happy New Year!

Jake

[PeterTheGreat]

I have mongered in Russia quite a few time (7) to be exact. I first went there in 98 and thought I'd gone to heaven. It is still as then a mongers paradise. However as we have seen the tirf has changed a bit. Things that have not changed are the number of May December relationships that are going on. This is PART of their society and is widely accepted as normal. You would have to spend some time there but if you do you will be richly rewarded if you are patient and don't get in a rush. I had a friend who married a Russian woman and her son and I hooked up so I had the luxury of having a "goofer" who looked out for me. I had an affair with a gorgeous 20 year old who looked like Virginia Madsen and f""cked like a mink. 100 for the night and she cooked and cleaned the apartment on top of that and took me to the museums and opera's. You can't get any better than that. It's still there believe me. What a pooners paradise.

Peter

[Jake993]

At first I thought,"What a idea for a great thread".

But beyond reporting the price of pussy in Moscow (or SP, or Chelyabinsk, Samara, or where ever) what is there to say except to complain about how expensive things have gotten?

It's been said over and over and over again, but the price for sex in Russia is nearly irrelevant. In the salons or in the strip clubs, sure there are local accepted norms for pricing. And the girls at NF and HD are still trolling for the Moscow first timer who will pay their un-Godly rate for what they claim will be an all night-till-nooner (ha!). But who can truthfully say that performance is not INVERSELY proportionate to price when you try to take a WG out of an establishment and back to your apartment or hotel. And why? Let me stick my neck out and say it's in search of the GFE. The Girlfriend Experience that was once widely available but is now all but lost amongst the bar girls. Especially the ones who are there for the whole season and have established accommodation. Perhaps in summer you can snag a Provincalka who wanders into HD straight from the Voksal, but for the most part these girls are operating on auto pilot playing the numbers game and looking for multiple tricks per night. It's all about time utilization for them.

Most of you have checked out.

www.sextalk.ru

It has recently gotten even MORE useful in that my Chrome browser translates each page for me. Granted it's not perfect, but it's good enough for me to learn that our local Russian brothers don't even seem to LOOK for GFE. Their approach is much more pragmatic. They seems to like the working apartments that offer good value for dollar. True, it's strictly by the one hour, or two hour block, but at least you know what your are getting. Sextalk members do a GREAT job of ranking performance and commenting on such things as surroundings and how girls relate to customers as well as how well they perform classic sex, oral sex or anal sex. What's better than that if you are just looking for a good FUCK?

Guys, I think the old days of simply PAYING for a good time with a gorgeous Russia girl who will drink and laugh with you all night while you have your way with her are over. You just can't get there from here. The game has changed. Let me say it again. The game has changed. It's no longer as simple as paying for it. We have to WORK for it now. Dare I say it's almost as bad a dating. A local friend of mine said there are two kinds of wh*res. Those who sell love, and those who sell meat. The onces at NF and HD are selling meat. Make no mistake. It's meat that is very nicely presented and dressed by the way, but it's still just meat. Wham. Bam. Thankya. Ma'am.

Finding girls who sell love has gotten a whole lot more complicated. But please don't confuse the "love" I am referring to with emotional love. What I am referring to is acting. The fact that, regardless of her true feelings, a "professional" will treat you like you are her long lost lover and give you what you are looking for. What's more, she will KNOW what you want. Those idiots in HD and NF are not pros. They are amateurs asking to be paid like pros.

Like the late great Dr Skank said some time ago,"if you want to get laid by a young gorgeous Muscovite, you need more than money. You need a little "game". The Ironic thing is, the more game you have the less money you need. I am not saying that I have any more game than anyone else. But I have defined what I am looking for and have learned how to find what I want. It might not be the same as what each of you are looking for, but I have learned where to find it. It's not free by ANY stretch of the imagination but it's not even close to what those skanks at NF and HD are asking.

Some of you might remember one of Dr. Skank's posts titled "Indecent Proposal". He met a girl for a date and anded up offering her $100 on the first date to screw him. She blanched at first but ended up screwing his brains out. And not just once either. If memory serves correct, it wasn't a one-time deal either. Sometimes you have to invest in the community in order to get what you want. You see all these girls in Mamba. Ru who say that they are "looking for s sponsor". Sure some of them want a car and an apartment. But you would be surprised at how many would be thrilled to get $500 a month to spend on clothes and shoes and who would be quite happy to "show their appreciation" once a week or more. Of course for those of you who don't send much time in Moscow it doesn't make much sense, but you get the idea. A little cash goes a long way if leveraged correctly. It's just like investing.

At the risk of sounding like Warren Buffet, I would suggest that rather than focusing solely on price, that we spend a little more time focusing on VALUE. And like finding value stocks, finding value in pussy takes a little work.

Happy New Year Gents!

[Start123]

2000-3000 RUB for an hour with two pops- is a standard price with a nice (7-9) looking woman.

[Excepticus]

Dear Jackson,

Thanks for opening this thread. I hope WE can here report the damage we suffer. And if was worth or not. Always subjective to each person. But at least a small guide

So far. My knowledge is very limited in Moscow as I visited the city few times but no opportunity for mongering. I will relocate soon to this magnificent city in many aspects and I hope to join you in our sport

Best regards

[Admin]

Thread Starter.