FKK Mainhattan- Frankfurt

[JFlyMeDown]

Had a two day layover (5/28-5/29) in Frankfurt before going to England and decide to stop by the Mainhattan. Pretty close to where I was staying so decided to just walk. My first time in a FKK so I'll admit it was a great experience. Paid the 65 EUR to enter and just decide to walk around and enjoy a coffee and the view. It was roughly around 6 pm and there were about 20-30 girls total. Not that many hobbyists around so the ratio was well maintained. Did a lot of reading in the forum so I felt comfortable when it came to the prices. 50 E /30 M was the standard with a couple just trying to upsell you on everything. Decided to try out a Romanian / Spaniard. Well portioned all around and very nice (forgot the name! Didn't haggle me to go to a room so we chatted up a bit then proceeded to a room. Standard for the 30 minutes and got a complimentary BBBJ so I threw an extra 5 EUR. The total damage was 55 EUR for 30 min. We continued talking for a while and then off to the showers I went for a refreshment. Stayed approximately 6 hours total and served 4 different girls (all Romanians). Again since it was my first FKK I was overwhelmed! I did my best to play it cool and never gave up on the price. I have done Tijuana and cities in Colombia, but this feature is great! Hope to roam around Germany for more opportunities. Thanks to everyone here for all the details.

[Kosher Kowboy]

People are indeed strange with money.

Your advice to mongers to walk away from bad deals and seek loners is sound advice, but it needs to be tailored to mongers based on their preferences.
If more mongers were like you in this regard, we would not have so many spoiled princesses.

Yes, money makes people behave in all kinds of funny ways.

And you are correct; if price only mattered my suggestion is fine but you tweaked it perfectly. Price and looks (or looks only) might be the motivating factor in which case my advise would be well worthless or a escape hatch if all else failed.

True. You often reply to your "attacker" and are seen taking the high road, and I do believe most forum members take notice and hold you in high regard for this. But would ignoring the poster be an example of taking the high road as well? One poster here tries to conduct himself like a gentleman, but about two months ago, he sent me about seven private messages over the course of three days, mostly incoherent, and littered with insults. I never once replied. In fact, I have never sent him a PM. Was I offended? No. But I was annoyed that I had to constantly clear my inbox. Most people who constantly speak negatively about others are simply trying to make themselves feel better. They have a need to elevate themselves so they can feel superior. Many trolls are invisible in real life. So they just want a reply. Whether the reply is taking the high road or returning fire with insults, they just want attention.

I see this forum as a hobby, so if another attacks me and I found myself reacting emotionally, it's more or less a reminder for me to return to the offline world and accomplish something. For instance, if one is a high-profile person in the Internet age, that person is going to get attacked, and they should be used to the "haters". Let us imagine that you are are a nerdy scientist who is an expert in your chosen field. You would be asked to speak at conferences all over the world. You would be recognized by strangers that have actually never met you in person and you would become a magnet for criticism. That criticism comes with the territory. Accomplishing something does not necessarily have to be confined to professional achievements. It could be becoming a better friend, brother, husband, uncle or father. It could be volunteering for a charity or mentoring youth.

I agree with much of what you say, can relate to it, can relate it to others and it all makes sense. The high road can mean taking a punch and sometimes ignoring the member is best too especially if they are posting not to make a contribution but to be a jerk and in the case of Takedown (which is where this stemmed from) I did not view him being a jerk or looking to take a jab for his own happiness rather a guy dissenting and in that case took the punch or what I thought was a punch either way I hold him in different regards (I respect the guy) as opposed to one guy who took a jab clueless as to the subject matter at hand and I ignored him, as I always have and as others do as well I notice. All done on a case by case basis. As to trolls we say here' do not feed the trolls' meaning ignore them, and hope they go away. Trolls come in many different forms, someone called me a troll once couldn't figure out why as I consider myself a contributor of good information (at times perhaps too opinionated but most of us can be) so I ignored him. Let others take note as you say.

Trolls and troublemakers often run hand in hand at least on our boards here often the staffs will let them post away and call it ' the rope to hang themselves' and in time they always do. Trolls often implode, get banned or simply go away. If they are fed they stick around often increasing their bad behavior.

Sorry you had to deal with someone spamming you with PMs; sure beats being asked for money 7 times!!

As I said above all insults, slams, attacks can vary and all handled on a case by case basis.

[Turgid]

I have female friends who would disagree. What you wrote is an easy narrative, which tells us more about you than about women.

I would say convenient more so than easy.

[NoTaWorry]

The fact of the matter is that men have a greater need for sex than women. Many single women are quite content to abstain from sex unless a rich or handsome man with game comes along. Most men are willing to bang any woman who has a vagina. Wives are much less likely to desire extra-marital sex than husbands. Furthermore, a woman who has sex with a man other than her husband is more likely to fall in love with that man and end the marriage. Therefore, extra-marital sex is more appropriate for the man than the woman.

I have female friends who would disagree. What you wrote is an easy narrative, which tells us more about you than about women.

[McAdonis]

If you ask the girl in the above manner it will be countered with 150 in fact many of them are asking 150/ HR now to include DFK BBBJ DATY on top of the CFS. I suggest you tell them you want the DFK DATY BBBJ and CFS hour for 100 and if they say no move on.

Loners cost less.

Most of the fly ins I know who do only Dietz or NRW are the cheapest, all fly in coach, all get cheap hotels or sleep in cars, don't tip any Gypsies and eat as cheap as can be some buying cold cuts and bread at Rewe. One of the guys I go to the NRW with will pay 100 Euros for a room, 50+ on dinner but refuses to park at the hotel lot and will walk 5 blocks to save 5 Euros. People are strange with money.

People are indeed strange with money.

http://danariely.com/2009/08/10/the-nuances-of-the-free-experiment/

In one trial of one study we offered students a Lindt Truffle for 26 cents and a Hersheys Kiss for 1 cent and observed the buying behavior: 40 percent went with the truffle and 40 percent with the Kiss. When we dropped the price of both chocolates by just 1 cent, we observed that suddenly 90 percent of participants opted for the free Kiss, even though the relative price between the two was the same.

Your advice to mongers to walk away from bad deals and seek loners is sound advice, but it needs to be tailored to mongers based on their preferences. Some people are chocolate connoisseurs, so they would purchase the Lindt Truffle every time even if the price difference increased to 50 cents. But some people are indifferent about chocolate and may choose the Hershey Kiss every time. My point is that some mongers are so selective, that they rarely find WGs that meet their optical standards, and it is almost impossible for them to "move on" from the greedy ones. You said once that 75 percent of the LU is good enough to meet your optic requirements. If more mongers were like you in this regard, we would not have so many spoiled princesses.

[McAdonis]

My thought if a poster flames, attacks, insults or is condescending towards another that other members notice and those eyes are the judges and sometimes he who takes the high road is viewed as the one who handled it better. The words used usually say more about the guy tossing the punch than the guy being punched so sometimes best to take the punch.

True. You often reply to your "attacker" and are seen taking the high road, and I do believe most forum members take notice and hold you in high regard for this. But would ignoring the poster be an example of taking the high road as well? One poster here tries to conduct himself like a gentleman, but about two months ago, he sent me about seven private messages over the course of three days, mostly incoherent, and littered with insults. I never once replied. In fact, I have never sent him a PM. Was I offended? No. But I was annoyed that I had to constantly clear my inbox. Most people who constantly speak negatively about others are simply trying to make themselves feel better. They have a need to elevate themselves so they can feel superior. Many trolls are invisible in real life. So they just want a reply. Whether the reply is taking the high road or returning fire with insults, they just want attention.

I see this forum as a hobby, so if another attacks me and I found myself reacting emotionally, it's more or less a reminder for me to return to the offline world and accomplish something. For instance, if one is a high-profile person in the Internet age, that person is going to get attacked, and they should be used to the "haters". Let us imagine that you are are a nerdy scientist who is an expert in your chosen field. You would be asked to speak at conferences all over the world. You would be recognized by strangers that have actually never met you in person and you would become a magnet for criticism. That criticism comes with the territory. Accomplishing something does not necessarily have to be confined to professional achievements. It could be becoming a better friend, brother, husband, uncle or father. It could be volunteering for a charity or mentoring youth.

[Turgid]

............Also, how would you react if you know that the wife you love very much, is fucking other guys (maybe working guys) on the side? Will you be OK with that information and still stay in the marriage?

The fact of the matter is that men have a greater need for sex than women. Many single women are quite content to abstain from sex unless a rich or handsome man with game comes along. Most men are willing to bang any woman who has a vagina. Wives are much less likely to desire extra-marital sex than husbands. Furthermore, a woman who has sex with a man other than her husband is more likely to fall in love with that man and end the marriage. Therefore, extra-marital sex is more appropriate for the man than the woman.

[Ulver]

YMMV.

Thank you very much for your answer. Very informative and way more than I could have asked for.

I hate to have to hassle with the girls so I might just stick to sharks where I get what I want for my 100 E. If I'll go it will just be to see sweet Aurelia.

[Apollyon]

To answer your question, they would not react well.

I think you misunderstood my question and intent.

Not sure what any of this rubbish has to do with FKK Mainhattan. Why don't you talk among yourselves in the Lounge? I mean why don't you talk among yourself in the Lounge?

[Gino02]

I think you misunderstood my question and intent. I was not trying to preach or judge the married mongers, I was (and am) merely questioning if a marriage can be called a "strong loving relationship" if any of the members of the said marriage goes to have sex outside of that marital bond and must hide that fact from the other member to keep that said "strong loving relationship" intact. I would rather call it a sham or nicely put "marital arrangement". Same goes for folks cheating on their girlfriends or boyfriends, that's a sham relationship. Unlike the "open relationships" that swingers for example are in.

I am still curious to know the point of view from the married mongers on how they would react if that "loving wife" is fucking other guys (maybe working guys) on the side. Will they be OK with that information and still stay happily in that "loving marriage"?

BTW, just because a guy chose to not going thru the trouble of having a girlfriend or wife, and found that FKKs and mongering is a much easier, less drama and financially significantly simpler option for polygamy, doesn't necessarily mean he cannot or did not get any girl in real life (though there are some who probably would have hard time to get a girl in real life). It just makes him someone who can be happy by living single. I am not saying he is smarter than the married or in-relationship folks, he just chose to stay as a polygamous single and live without the fear of being getting out to the wife or girlfriend.

To answer your question, they would not react well.

Do we really need moralizing preachers here, on a board dedicated to paid fornication? Perhaps the unmarried mongers have a sense of moral superiority and if so, far be it from me to burst it. I'm quite content and happy with my life. Married and mongering both. I am not alone and have a very fulfilling home life that I come home to every day, my wife has her own successful career and I have also had sex with several hundreds of WGs and I have yet to catch any STDs. All in all, I can't complain.

Isn't the objective to help one another on this board and not pass judgement about the personal lives of others? I believe the forum rules explicitly say we should refrain from making other men uncomfortable in their postings. To the degree they will stop posting..

[Gino02]

Big +1. I am absolutely a better husband since I started "my second life". I am more cheerful, supportive and generally a more fulfilled and therefore nice to be around person. There is no question these young ladies not only improve my life but the life, of those close to me. Ironic as it sounds.

That's name of a best seller book right there:

"Better Husband Through My Second Life".

You are a great writer Steve, go for the book. Obviously using some handle, not real name.

[Steve 9696]

Firstly, a big congratulations to Pessimist on his original post on this topic. I don't believe for a moment he is on his own, and neither are you Zumboit. Or me. Same camp. Great marriage, love my wife very much, sex went downhill after about 20 great years of it, and the void needs filling. Without the mongering I too would have been forced to stray, or divorce, or both, with much hurt, pain, not just for my wife and me. But for our kids (adults now) and many others.

And you are very right. The WGs get it. I've asked many if they'the be happy with their future husbands doing this. Many are truthful and say absolutely not. But that they'the rather he did this than leave and terminate an otherwise strong relationship.

For me the guilt does not go away though. I can rationalise it all day but still feel bad. But I long ago stopped the torture of trying to stop. When I did try I found myself starting to flirt with non-WGs almost subconsciously. The void still needed filling.

Truth is if you harbour the secrets of this obsession within your own mind (and the odd forum!) you are not hurting others but carrying the guilt instead of offloading it onto your loved ones if you spilled the beans. I consider therefore I have an obligation not to let the cat out of the bag. Like Pessimist. Careers would be very much jeopardised. And you know. There is also a certain retained excitement about the pursuit of forbidden fruit. Great topic. Not sure it was anything Mainhattan related but I enjoyed reading the posts. Well done for the transparency guys.

Big +1. I am absolutely a better husband since I started "my second life". I am more cheerful, supportive and generally a more fulfilled and therefore nice to be around person. There is no question these young ladies not only improve my life but the life, of those close to me. Ironic as it sounds.

[Pessimist]

To answer your question, they would not react well.

Do we really need moralizing preachers here, on a board dedicated to paid fornication? Perhaps the unmarried mongers have a sense of moral superiority and if so, far be it from me to burst it. I'm quite content and happy with my life. Married and mongering both. I am not alone and have a very fulfilling home life that I come home to every day, my wife has her own successful career and I have also had sex with several hundreds of WGs and I have yet to catch any STDs. All in all, I can't complain.

Isn't the objective to help one another on this board and not pass judgement about the personal lives of others? I believe the forum rules explicitly say we should refrain from making other men uncomfortable in their postings. To the degree they will stop posting. PayforIt and Zumboit had the courage to admit their personal issues in an honest manner and deserve praise and not jealousy. Who knows how many others are married, have girlfriends and are doing something else? Forum benefits from having an open and honest discussion about ideas, is that not the truth?

BTW, cheating on a girlfriend is not much better than cheating a wife. Hence, extending this logic, the only ones who should monger are people that can't get any girlfriends in real life.

Great that the WGs get it when you asked them, but I wonder what your loving wives would think if you asked them. That would be a real test of how strong actually is your married relationship. There was a great monger many years ago who used to come to FKK World with his wife regularly and she was absolutely encouraging him to fuck other girls because she always wanted to keep him happy. There was another monger who's wife gave him one weekend a month FKK trips to keep him happy. Both had conditions that the husband can fuck the WGs (with condoms) but they would divorce if the husband gets into any "loving relationship" with any WG.

Also, how would you react if you know that the wife you love very much, is fucking other guys (maybe working guys) on the side? Will you be OK with that information and still stay in the marriage?

[ExpatLover]

Firstly, a big congratulations to Pessimist on his original post on this topic. I don't believe for a moment he is on his own, and neither are you Zumboit. Or me. Same camp. Great marriage, love my wife very much, sex went downhill after about 20 great years of it, and the void needs filling. Without the mongering I too would have been forced to stray, or divorce, or both, with much hurt, pain, not just for my wife and me. But for our kids (adults now) and many others.

And you are very right. The WGs get it. I've asked many if they'the be happy with their future husbands doing this. Many are truthful and say absolutely not. But that they'the rather he did this than leave and terminate an otherwise strong relationship.

For me the guilt does not go away though. I can rationalise it all day but still feel bad. But I long ago stopped the torture of trying to stop. When I did try I found myself starting to flirt with non-WGs almost subconsciously. The void still needed filling.

Truth is if you harbour the secrets of this obsession within your own mind (and the odd forum!) you are not hurting others but carrying the guilt instead of offloading it onto your loved ones if you spilled the beans. I consider therefore I have an obligation not to let the cat out of the bag. Like Pessimist. Careers would be very much jeopardised. And you know. There is also a certain retained excitement about the pursuit of forbidden fruit. Great topic. Not sure it was anything Mainhattan related but I enjoyed reading the posts. Well done for the transparency guys.

To solve couple problems the solution will never be to fuck prostitutes, most of us are more frustrated when we go out of the room of a FKK than when we enter. Mongering is a strong addiction like others I can easily tell it because I was also strongly addicted but fortunately I was able to solve my problems and come back to normal. I am not married but it changes nothing, we can t have a balance life when we only think when we will have our new FKK tour or visit.

[Gino02]

Firstly, a big congratulations to Pessimist on his original post on this topic. I don't believe for a moment he is on his own, and neither are you Zumboit. Or me. Same camp. Great marriage, love my wife very much, sex went downhill after about 20 great years of it, and the void needs filling. Without the mongering I too would have been forced to stray, or divorce, or both, with much hurt, pain, not just for my wife and me. But for our kids (adults now) and many others.

And you are very right. The WGs get it. I've asked many if they'the be happy with their future husbands doing this. Many are truthful and say absolutely not. But that they'the rather he did this than leave and terminate an otherwise strong relationship.

Great that the WGs get it when you asked them, but I wonder what your loving wives would think if you asked them. That would be a real test of how strong actually is your married relationship. There was a great monger many years ago who used to come to FKK World with his wife regularly and she was absolutely encouraging him to fuck other girls because she always wanted to keep him happy. There was another monger who's wife gave him one weekend a month FKK trips to keep him happy. Both had conditions that the husband can fuck the WGs (with condoms) but they would divorce if the husband gets into any "loving relationship" with any WG.

Also, how would you react if you know that the wife you love very much, is fucking other guys (maybe working guys) on the side? Will you be OK with that information and still stay in the marriage?