FKK Mainhattan- Frankfurt

[Jolokia]

Seen a smiling blond little doll, maybe 1,30 high and 30 kg, a little doll. Did somebody try her vagina? She is so small.

She is Laura? Does she still working at Mainhattan or other FKK? Very nice girl.

[Locke0000]

While I was in Frankfurt for work last month I thought I would try an FKK for the first time. As I mentioned in the Frankfurt thread I tend to stick with escorts, especially ladies I find on kaufmich. But, I thought I would at least try it once. After not having not luck with the RDL earlier in the week, I was a little apprehensive about the LU I would find. I did not want to trek all the way out to Sharks or Oase, so I thought a ride on the 11 tram would not be too far and worse case scenario I over pay for some average food. After a night of partying with work colleagues and few clients I awoke with the Irish flu. I made my way down to the hotel lobby for stiff bloody mary to help ease the pain. Then I began the trek to the 11 tram and off I went. I arrived at Mainhattan on a Saturday just before 1300 when price goes up. I paid the extra 5 for the robe and began my day. By the point I was feeling a little better and was regaining my appetite. I found my way to eating area where I was somewhat to surprised to find the food not that bad. During the walk there and back I met a few ladies who were coming in for their shift, all insisting that I meet up with them shortly. There were two Hungarian ladies who were attractive and quite charming, but I did not session with either. I won't go minute for minute of my day but I will highlight some of it. Until 1400 I was the only non Asian (south Asian or east Asian) male. There were about 10 men and maybe 12 ladies until closer to 1600. I was pleasantly surprised that most of the ladies were fairly attractive, I would say all at least 7/10. After chatting with a few getting a lay of the land, I decided to with Orelia. An early 20's Romanian with natural Cs. I told her I just wanted a standard 30 for 50. She happily obliged. Everything covered, multiple positions, seemed to really enjoy herself, wasn't mechanical nor did she watch the clock. I finished after 20 or so minutes and she insisted on a back rub until 30 was up. I gave her an extra 10 as I thought the service was much better than expected.

Met some more ladies had a little more to eat, drank plenty of water as I had now spilled three cups (2 from the night before) in the last 18 hours. By 1600 the place had around 20 ladies and maybe 12 men, most who different from earlier. Another young Romanian, Dina, came by and she reminded me of someone I see on TV so I opted for another 30 for 50. Her service was OK, not bad but not a good as earlier. She was not a clock watcher and did not rush. She did try talking me into another 50 for GFE but I was fine everything covered. What stood out about Dina was how tight she was. I commented that she worked our her muscles and she gave a blushing smile. It felt great.

So now it is getting closer to 1700. I had plans to meet work colleagues again later in the evening for drinks, so I stayed a bit longer to see if I could muster up a final cup. The ladies were now all over the bar and lounge area, most were aggressive as I walked from the locker rooms to the spa area. I was in the spa area and one lady knocked on the glass wall with her nails to get my attention as she sat in the chair next to the door. I politely waved at her to suggest no thank you. Maybe 10 minutes later I went back into the lions den to get some more water and she pulled me aside. I told her I was not interested. She was very insistent that I at least sit. She said she was bored to at least we could kill some time chatting. I replied so long as she new I was not interested and that if she thought she could persuade me to a room it was a waste for her time. She said that's fine, have a seat. She introduced herself as Kelly (or maybe Katie). She said was born Hamburg and her family was Slovenian. She was attractive, tanned skins, doe eyes, very large and well made tits. For the most part someone I would I probably see as an escort, but I just wasn't in the mood. After about 10 minutes of her trying to get me into a room I told her no and I needed head to the WC. I went back into the spa area where I later heard her walking by to look for me. I didn't inform her I need to sit and stand for trip. When I did come back out she more insistent that we go to a room. I told her no, then after some back and forth I said I was done and was to get dinner. Her reply was they were closed. I just laughed at her and reminded her from the beginning I was not going to room with her. She got pissy and I left. Then a few minutes later I see her walking out around the dinning room. When she sees me she asked if I was ready. I finally became crass and said no, not happening. Now I was agitated. I went back in the bar area and lounge and sought someone out. If she would have been far less aggressive I may have eventually found her and said yes. Now it was around 1930 there were about 25 ladies in the bar area, lounge, and smoking room. And as it turns out almost all of the room were filled. There were about 20 or so men and the place was busy and lively. After a few quick chats I found Maria, a stunning looking mid 20's lady who said she was from Moldova. She had dark blond hair, great golden tan, and looked brilliant. After some initial conversation her personality and quick witted humor made it easy to ask for a room. One final 30 for 50. I briefly told her what had happened earlier and she made sure to strut me through the room as if to say I bagged him. This cheekiness made me like her even more. We get to the room and again I find her humor to be a turn on. The sex was pretty intense, but didn't feel rushed. She told me "I'm not ridding you until 29 1/2 minutes". While a person could take this a rushed session, I found it more of in line with her personality and enjoyed her intensity. After about the 20 minute mark I finished my third cup of the day, fifth in 23 hours. She cleaned me up and promised if I did 60 minutes with her that it would be even more fun. After I paid her she gave me a deep kiss and I went back to the locker room to clean up and head off.

Over all I thought the LU was very good, far better than I was expecting. All three of my sessions were worth the 60 and 50 it cost, I had plenty of money on hand but I rather liked the concept of 50 for 30 and see who provides what at the base point. The food, while not great, was not bad. The place was clean and the smell of smoke stayed in the smoking room. My only complaint was the one who could not take no for the answer. There was one blond worker who came up to me later in the evening making sure I was seeing ladies and not just sitting around. I joked with her and assured her not to worry. I wonder if this was the "queen" KK speaks of.

One last thing, as I was walking back to the tram stop around 2100 I couldn't help think that if I were a thief, the area around the corner from the club and a few blocks before the main road would be ideal to rob someone. It was dark, quiet, and you have to guess a bloke walking toward the club had a good amount of cash on them. Has anyone had an issues leaving the club during the later hours on their way to the tram or do most taxi back?

If work brings me back to Frankfurt I think a return will be in order.

[TheRugdr]

Hey Guys.

I'm planning to try out FKK club in Frankfurt.

Let me know if anyone is looking to join.

You've copied and pasted this message on the threads of multiple FKK clubs, when it belongs on the thread titled:

"Travel Announcements Only (No questions or comments please)".

Have fun.

[TejaIdharHai]

Hey Guys.

I'm planning to try out FKK club in Frankfurt.

Let me know if anyone is looking to join.

[Der Auslander]

LOL. Thank you all for the advice. No wonder I could not find it, it's an insider joke! I have a good budget for this trip so I will take a pass on ADDC. I'm willing to pay for both looks and service.

If I were you I would give FKK Sharks a go. Along with FKK Oase its probably the biggest and best of the Frankfurt Area FKK Clubs. The club always has a strong line-up by comparison to all the other local FKK Clubs (including FKK Oase). Certainly now gets more reports in the Germany FKK Clubs section of ISG than any other club. Its about 20 Kilometers from Frankfurt Airport and mostly all motorway. Outside of rush-hour traffic the journey should be quick enough. A taxi fair should be about 50 or 60 one way (taxis are easy enough to get at the club) or you might be able to rent a car for the day for around the same money.

[HectorG]

I appreciate the kind thought but keep an eye out for some of Kim Jong-un's relatives for next time you are in FKK Dietzenbach. Whatever about the rights and wrongs of the special services which are on offer, generally speaking the optics just would not be there for me. Club Globe would be more my Valhalla and not the aforementioned establishment.

LOL. Thank you all for the advice. No wonder I could not find it, it's an insider joke! I have a good budget for this trip so I will take a pass on ADDC. I'm willing to pay for both looks and service.

[Der Auslander]

I would say I would like to make it a goal to convert you in to a ' Gypsy fan' this year but my gut tells me I have a better shot to find a North Korean in the club eating sausages wondering how he can defect. Actually, the North Korean will have to settle for Hot Dog Soup as the sausages have been shelved for the winter.

I appreciate the kind thought but keep an eye out for some of Kim Jong-un's relatives for next time you are in FKK Dietzenbach. Whatever about the rights and wrongs of the special services which are on offer, generally speaking the optics just would not be there for me. Club Globe would be more my Valhalla and not the aforementioned establishment.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Not sure but you may have forgotten a few countries there KK? Serbia or maybe North Korea perhaps?

The point I was trying to make is that whether you are a local or from another country; FKK Dietzenbach is very much a hit or a miss. You either like what is on offer in this club or you will go out of your way to avoid the place!

I will be on the lookout for some North Koreans, maybe Kim will read this and dispatch one to sample this upscale establishment; but I can honestly say if a NK showed up he would love the place and seek asylum in Germany

I agree it is a hit or miss club and even for those who like it can easily be a miss if the LU sucks or one shows up after dinner to a bunch of sore Gypsy pussies. I happen to be one, next trip it will be a ' miss' as this time of year stinks just as bad as early September. Guess I will be spending more this next trip without my budget friendly Gypsies in abundance.

I would say I would like to make it a goal to convert you in to a ' Gypsy fan' this year but my gut tells me I have a better shot to find a North Korean in the club eating sausages wondering how he can defect. Actually, the North Korean will have to settle for Hot Dog Soup as the sausages have been shelved for the winter.

[Der Auslander]

The club is popular with some who fly trans-continental to get there. Many others would not drive down the road to visit. Again go figure!?

The above phrase was laden with irony which is very much in keeping with the humor of my home country (the Emerald Isle); so apologies if that were not obvious; and I am aware that many locals (Germans from Stuttgart and Bonn and Cologne and Dusseldorf) do attend the club and that others customers are from the US (Chicago / Texas) and Japan (Tokyo) and Ireland (Cork) and Austria and Switzerland and UK and France and Belgium and Luxembourg and Italy and Finland and Norway and Sweden and South Korea! Not sure but you may have forgotten a few countries there KK? Serbia or maybe North Korea perhaps?

The point I was trying to make is that whether you are a local or from another country; FKK Dietzenbach is very much a hit or a miss. You either like what is on offer in this club or you will go out of your way to avoid the place!

Many trans-continental flyers do love the club but on any given day they make up a maximum (tops) of 10 percent of attendees if even. Perhaps under 5 percent. I talk to most guys in the club and well over 90 percent are German and half of them guys I have seen before. I do see each trip an American but not daily and some of these guys are repeats. Of the Germans who do go daily I will say about all of them come from the FRA area but on weekends once again the trans-continental flyers make up a tiny portion probably less than 5 percent as weekends bring in the guys from Austria and Switzerland as well as guys from Stuttgart, Bonn, Cologne, Dusseldorf many guys from the NRW who attend the AO clubs up that way but come to Dietzenbach for the variety. Weekends also bring in the Euro guys who fly in on hoppers from the UK, France, Italy and several drive in from Belgium and Luxembourg and one group who really loves this place are guys from Finland, Norway, Denmark and Sweden. IMO fly-ins are fly ins regardless if they flew in from Chicago, Tokyo, London or Rome. All are fly ins. All are tourists. Unless one is local to Frankfurt or Germany one is a tourist and/or a fly in. None of us are Germans. All of us are tourists. Unless you can hop in your car parked at your German residence than you are tourist no matter how you slice the pie. Only difference between a guy from Texas, a guy from South Korea, a guy from Copenhagen or a guy from Cork is the distance/hours flown. Locals do not need their passport to reach Germany .They are not tourists. Every one of the rest of us is and the percentage of tourists at Dietzenbach is tiny, in the Big 5 bump it up an easy 30-70 percentage points at any given time.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Adult Day Care is a euphemism used by Kosher Kowboy for FKK Dietzenbach.

www.FKK40.sex

Please note that the webpage FKK-dietzenbach.com brings you to the website for a totally different club (FKK Atlanta in Hanau). Go figure!?

Club is noted for its low-level pricing (Euro 40 per 30-minute session) and reputed specialist services (AO appears to be on offer at least to regular attenders). If my understanding is correct most of the women are primarily of Romanian origin (most are actually Roma) and probably would not cut it in the more normal Frankfurt area clubs; FKK Oase / Sharks / World / Mainhattan / Palace / Rom. The club is small (by comparison to Oase / World / Sharks) and facilities at this club more basic.

The club is popular with some who fly trans-continental to get there. Many others would not drive down the road to visit. Again go figure!?

Someone hacked the original URL hence the new one, the. Sex one is the correct one as posted. Not much of a site, kind of reflective of the club. Usually there are 2-3 Bulgarians and often 1 Hungarian and the balance are all Romanian, if true ' Gypsies' or not I am not sure I just like to call them collectively ' The Gypsies' . And Der Auslander is right, I like to call it Adult Day Care, The Adult Day Care Center and Alice's Day Care Center but I am just guessing here I think within a year we may not see much of Alice as theke anymore; time will tell.

Many trans-continental flyers do love the club but on any given day they make up a maximum (tops) of 10 percent of attendees if even. Perhaps under 5 percent. I talk to most guys in the club and well over 90 percent are German and half of them guys I have seen before. I do see each trip an American but not daily and some of these guys are repeats. Of the Germans who do go daily I will say about all of them come from the FRA area but on weekends once again the trans-continental flyers make up a tiny portion probably less than 5 percent as weekends bring in the guys from Austria and Switzerland as well as guys from Stuttgart, Bonn, Cologne, Dusseldorf many guys from the NRW who attend the AO clubs up that way but come to Dietzenbach for the variety. Weekends also bring in the Euro guys who fly in on hoppers from the UK, France, Italy and several drive in from Belgium and Luxembourg and one group who really loves this place are guys from Finland, Norway, Denmark and Sweden. IMO fly-ins are fly ins regardless if they flew in from Chicago, Tokyo, London or Rome. All are fly ins. All are tourists. Unless one is local to Frankfurt or Germany one is a tourist and/or a fly in. None of us are Germans. All of us are tourists. Unless you can hop in your car parked at your German residence than you are tourist no matter how you slice the pie. Only difference between a guy from Texas, a guy from South Korea, a guy from Copenhagen or a guy from Cork is the distance/hours flown. Locals do not need their passport to reach Germany .They are not tourists. Every one of the rest of us is and the percentage of tourists at Dietzenbach is tiny, in the Big 5 bump it up an easy 30-70 percentage points at any given time.

The percentage of these ocean hoppers in Dietzenbach is actually very low although steady and consistent and at any time half of the Americans I do meet there are there on business, already in Europe doing other things and a few pilots I have met there as well over time love the place. Asian attendees are up as well, I used to see one per week now I see two per day every week.

If one wants to see high transcontinental mongers this club is probably the last one to go to, Sharks, Oase and Mainhatten are full of fly ins.

[Der Auslander]

Adult Day Care is a euphemism used by Kosher Kowboy for FKK Dietzenbach.

www.FKK40.sex

Please note that the webpage FKK-dietzenbach.com brings you to the website for a totally different club (FKK Atlanta in Hanau). Go figure!?

FKK Dietzenbach is noted for its low-level pricing (Euro 40 per 30-minute session) and reputed specialist services (AO appears to be on offer at least to regular customers). If my understanding is correct most of the women are primarily of Romanian origin (most are actually Roma) and in my opinion, in terms of optics, the majority probably would not cut it in the more conventional Frankfurt area clubs; FKK Oase / Sharks / World / Mainhattan / Palace / Rom. The club is small (by comparison to Oase / World / Sharks) and facilities at this club more basic.

The club is popular with some who fly trans-continental to get there. Many others would not drive down the road to visit. Again go figure!?

[HectorG]

Stupid question: Where is this "Adult Day Center Center" I keep reading about here? I tried searching the forums and Google and couldn't find any FKK with this name. Can someone provide a link or location? Thank you.

I'm heading to Frankfurt in a few weeks with a 12 hour layover and I'm trying to narrow it down to one FKK. I've been to Oase and Palace but willing to try new places.

[Sirioja]

I just got a message from a fellow hobbyist, and it reminded me of my time in the FKK's, and I'm thinking it's high time I report on it. At least on this one, since I spent the most time here. This was a little time ago, but I feel like it could still be applicable. If you're a regular there and know the girls, based on what I'm saying you'll probably be able to guess when this was. This was before the condom laws. I have a feeling most if not all these girls might still be there. Correct me if I'm wrong please. I spoke to Alexia from Romania, Nina and Ines from Moldova. Wanted to go with them, but my notes tell me I didn't. I did however go with Czech Jana. She was tall, on the darker side, thin, and I remember it as being a pretty good time. I remember a Sharon from Romania that was pretty good too, but I recall a Romanian Carmen in the banana room that wasn't quite good. I remember it because of the banana, maybe the banana room is gone, but it was there when I visited, and I felt like she had shorted me on time or something. I quickly guessed that 30 min isn't really 30 min, and an hour isn't really an hour. But there in lies the difference with the Czech girls. I remember them giving me the full time paid for. Very nice.

The second trip to Mainhattan. I spoke to Ines again, still didn't go with her, But there was a Karla there, claimed to be Italian, didn't go with her, vibe felt weird.

I didn't manage to get her name, there was this Romanian girl, tattoos on her back I think, very aggressive. Was quite a turn off. She was always with her friend, those 2 made quite a pair and I got the feeling they targeted weak, touristy looking guys like me, but I didn't bite. I did a Nina from Moldova, super nice, very friendly. Sorry dudes, forgot the details. Just wrote down notes. Can't even remember if she was blonde or brunette. There was a Violetta from Romania, who in my notes to myself, I said she looks a little like Eva Green. I think for me the star of the show was Czech Antonella. If you've read my posts, you know how much of a fan I am of Prague, so we had a good time laughing at my bad spoken Czech. She almost convinced me to do a threesome with Jana. All 3 Czech girls there were very nice and most important to me, friendly. Antonella in the room is something I still remember to this day, she was accomodating, kind, friendly, lots of DFK, I went down on her and she tasted great. She's stunningly gorgeous, not super thin, but just the right amount of not fat. Almost like pornstar Sunny Lane, but with bigger tits. It was summer then, and we were sweating too. It was fantastic to me. I almost fell in love with her. Her english was great too..

A quiet club where can rest, have sleep in spa bed, usually manage with foods, breakfast is usually not bad, fortunately can prepare my own drinks in restaurant because bad service from bar.

Unfortunately, no more woman types like blond Czech Suzy / Suzanna on August 2015 , nor beauties like jolie Sara discovered when we were going to room with Suzy. One hour later, after I paid Suzy, I went straight to Sara.

My last high level girl was Maria on Spring 2018 , could fall in real fire in bed, reproaching me: You know how to take advantage of women, but we repeated on same day. Unfortunately, never saw her again.

Club don t worth more than 50 € for me, 65 is too expensive, due to really average casting for my tastes. No room on my last visits.

[Kosher Kowboy]

This place was my first FKK visit, in my time in Frankfurt, I made day trips to Oase and Sharks. I'll report on those someday. Not for any particular reason, but I have a preference for mainhattan because of the ease of getting here. That's it. If sharks was easier to get to, I'd go there multiple times too. I remember having a boat load of cappucinos while at mainhattan, that the food wasn't that great. And it being somewhat smaller than sharks and oase. And that aside from a handful of girls, most of the girls were pretty laid back and not too aggresive. But enough time has passed that I have no idea what mainhattan is like now. I'm sure it's still the same, but I learned back then that to get the most out of the girl, it's best to just do the 1 hour 100 euro thing. Sure, you mostly won't get the 1 hour, but they try harder. Combined with Oase and Sharks, I had some can't even be bothered to do 15 min, when I paid for 30 min experiences, but I guess that's just the game we're in. One thing to note, back then, negotiations centered around specifically whether COF, anal or CIM was included. Almost all did BBBJ without extra, most did DFK without extra too. From what I've been reading, things have changed a lot?

I agree on all; it is my club of choice outside of the Day Care Center debauchery and I probably go there maybe 20-25 times a year. It is simple to get too, hop the Tram 11 and there in 30 minutes or less for 2,75 e. Food isn't great but sometimes it is very good but in the summertime the BBQ is excellent and no lines ever. The coffee machine is still there to drink all the cappucinos you desire. Girls not as aggressive as their counterparts elsewhere. It is 50430 and 100460 now but BBBJ is +50 however there are some girls doing the BBBJ inclusive in the 50/100 but not a lot but the wall of unity the girls have been under since the new law was used to upsell is cracking. One of the upper tiered girls there offered a monger friend 100 for 30 minutes BBBJ / Fuck / CIM which is normally 150 (the BBBJ and Fuck alone is 100) so she basically tossed in the CIM for ' free' and this girl is no slouch in the LU very close to the top perhaps Top 5.

I got an AO session for 100 but she offered a BBBJ / DATY / Fuck for 50 initially.

Another two girls see me for 50 e w BBBJ but they aren't in the upper end of the LU middle of the road.

I know many girls there but not all; I am sure some of those are still there but haven't met them myself. I started going early 2016 and I think there are about 15 girls tops who have been there since than the rest are newer or came from other clubs; Sharks, Oase, Palace, Bahama, Atlanta, Paradise, World, Babylon, Living Room, Sakura are some of the clubs that come to mind.

2016 was a great / good LU there, 2017 the LU went to shit but this past year it slowly started getting better in the spring and in the summer some very good ones arrived and as of my last visit the LU is as good as it has been but I would guess the average age of the girls is 2-3 years higher than the girls at Oase or Sharks.

[Newton York]

I just got a message from a fellow hobbyist, and it reminded me of my time in the FKK's, and I'm thinking it's high time I report on it. At least on this one, since I spent the most time here. This was a little time ago, but I feel like it could still be applicable. If you're a regular there and know the girls, based on what I'm saying you'll probably be able to guess when this was. This was before the condom laws. I have a feeling most if not all these girls might still be there. Correct me if I'm wrong please. I spoke to Alexia from Romania, Nina and Ines from Moldova. Wanted to go with them, but my notes tell me I didn't. I did however go with Czech Jana. She was tall, on the darker side, thin, and I remember it as being a pretty good time. I remember a Sharon from Romania that was pretty good too, but I recall a Romanian Carmen in the banana room that wasn't quite good. I remember it because of the banana, maybe the banana room is gone, but it was there when I visited, and I felt like she had shorted me on time or something. I quickly guessed that 30 min isn't really 30 min, and an hour isn't really an hour. But there in lies the difference with the Czech girls. I remember them giving me the full time paid for. Very nice.

The second trip to Mainhattan. I spoke to Ines again, still didn't go with her, But there was a Karla there, claimed to be Italian, didn't go with her, vibe felt weird.

I didn't manage to get her name, there was this Romanian girl, tattoos on her back I think, very aggressive. Was quite a turn off. She was always with her friend, those 2 made quite a pair and I got the feeling they targeted weak, touristy looking guys like me, but I didn't bite. I did a Nina from Moldova, super nice, very friendly. Sorry dudes, forgot the details. Just wrote down notes. Can't even remember if she was blonde or brunette. There was a Violetta from Romania, who in my notes to myself, I said she looks a little like Eva Green. I think for me the star of the show was Czech Antonella. If you've read my posts, you know how much of a fan I am of Prague, so we had a good time laughing at my bad spoken Czech. She almost convinced me to do a threesome with Jana. All 3 Czech girls there were very nice and most important to me, friendly. Antonella in the room is something I still remember to this day, she was accomodating, kind, friendly, lots of DFK, I went down on her and she tasted great. She's stunningly gorgeous, not super thin, but just the right amount of not fat. Almost like pornstar Sunny Lane, but with bigger tits. It was summer then, and we were sweating too. It was fantastic to me. I almost fell in love with her. Her english was great too.

My third, and if I remember correctly last trip here, I spoke to Nikoletta from Hungary. I can't be sure but I may have done her. If she's who I remember then she seemed very genuine and friendly, not the hottest, but definitely doable, and was cool with DFK. This was the day that I met Suzannah from the Czech Republic. She was this tall statuesque blonde goddess type. She could easily say she was Swedish or Norwegian, I'd buy it. I remember her, because when we were fucking, she switched us over to doggy and in almost an instant I came. She did something with her pussy, that just squeezed me out. It was like magic. Not as good a time as her friend Antonella but still pretty damn good. My notes tell me I spoke to Donna and Julie from Romania that day as well. Can't remember if I did them. Should have gone during happy hour, could have offset taxi cost.

This place was my first FKK visit, in my time in Frankfurt, I made day trips to Oase and Sharks. I'll report on those someday. Not for any particular reason, but I have a preference for mainhattan because of the ease of getting here. That's it. If sharks was easier to get to, I'd go there multiple times too. I remember having a boat load of cappucinos while at mainhattan, that the food wasn't that great. And it being somewhat smaller than sharks and oase. And that aside from a handful of girls, most of the girls were pretty laid back and not too aggresive. But enough time has passed that I have no idea what mainhattan is like now. I'm sure it's still the same, but I learned back then that to get the most out of the girl, it's best to just do the 1 hour 100 euro thing. Sure, you mostly won't get the 1 hour, but they try harder. Combined with Oase and Sharks, I had some can't even be bothered to do 15 min, when I paid for 30 min experiences, but I guess that's just the game we're in. One thing to note, back then, negotiations centered around specifically whether COF, anal or CIM was included. Almost all did BBBJ without extra, most did DFK without extra too. From what I've been reading, things have changed a lot?