FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[UltraHappy]

If the guy says I want to extend beyond 30 min, they will go along but do the same exact thing between the 40th to 50th minute.

Well, for one, I don't say I'm going to extend for half an hour. If I am asked about time, I simply say I will pay for how long we stay in the room. This way, the girl doesn't have an expectation of a certain end point.

Ok, I will stop beating this topic to death now. I've said enough (ok, too much). Back to reports of Sharks girls. Sorry for my spam in the Sharks thread.

[Member #4581]

In my situation, we never have the opportunity to get into a pissing match or the unpleasantness of me "forcing" a girl to stay an extra 15 minutes in the room, because the girl never packs up early in the first place, because as I've explained many times before, the girl never has any idea how long we will be in the room. Therefore, she has no opportunity to know when the appropriate time to start packing up would be, because there is never any moment when she knows whether we will be leaving during the current half hour or 2 hours from now. This is my experience even in clubs where I am completely or mostly unknown like Sharks.

The girl can only suggest an early departure if she knows ahead of time when the guy is planning to leave. Therefore, this behavior by the girl can only occur if the guy willingly enables it.

Well, it is good for you that girls behave well with you. However, I would not call it a pissing match (it can't be a pissing match if the guy wants to have what is rightfully his; I would call it deceitful behavior by the girls instead) and I would definitely not blame the guys that it is their fault somehow for having the session cut short. It happens, it happens to many men, and this behavior is widely prevalent in my view.

Girls don't need to be told by the guy how long he intends to stay. From the 15th or 20th minute onwards and assuming the guy did not shoot yet, they begin making noises and movements to pack up and leave imminently. If the guy says I want to extend beyond 30 min, they will go along but do the same exact thing between the 40th to 50th minute. This was an exact depiction of my session w/ Adele in Oase; first she stopped at around 20th min, and when extended w/ an extra in fact, she still stopped around 50th min and said "you are not going to finish, you can go till tomorrow morning" and with that backhanded compliment, just peeled off the condom ad that was that. None of that was enabled by me.

And if the guy finished at the 16th minute or 44th minute, technically he is entitled to more time but 99% of the girls think they can pack up and leave ASAP.

[Be Wilder]

I'm hopefully coming to Frankfurt later this week from Wed-Fri play and flying back on Sat pm.

Earmarked Oase for the prime Fri slot as it was my favourite on my last trip. Normally like to start at Palace on my first day as it is easier / cheaper transport wise and as I get in the afternoon, I probably won't reach the club until 6 pm and so lack of an outdoor area is less of an issue. However, I always enjoy Wednesday nights at Sharks as there is a high turnout of girls and the only time I've been disappointed with the line up at Sharks was on a Thursday. It may have been a one-off but can Sharks regulars please let me know if there is much difference on numbers of girls between a Weds and a Thursday?

[UltraHappy]

Almost all my recent 1 hour sessions have been less than an hour at Sharks, I've noticed it more the last few months than before. Normally the girl starts packing up after about 40 - 45 minutes and gets up says "let's go or shall we go?" I could say "No" and demand an hour but somehow I imagine if I did that the last 15 minutes would be a bit awkward. The rooms have been so hot recently, I've not been too upset at getting turfed out early to be honest.

How did the girl know that you weren't going to stay 2 hours?

If you told her ahead of time that you were only staying an hour, then it seems to me that you created the opportunity for her early departure.

Relative to your specific situation, I think there are 2 big differences:

1. being prepared to stare down and accept the strife that comes with it.

Most guys don't like strife and unpleasantness in a sex session.

In my situation, we never have the opportunity to get into a pissing match or the unpleasantness of me "forcing" a girl to stay an extra 15 minutes in the room, because the girl never packs up early in the first place, because as I've explained many times before, the girl never has any idea how long we will be in the room. Therefore, she has no opportunity to know when the appropriate time to start packing up would be, because there is never any moment when she knows whether we will be leaving during the current half hour or 2 hours from now. This is my experience even in clubs where I am completely or mostly unknown like Sharks.

The girl can only suggest an early departure if she knows ahead of time when the guy is planning to leave. Therefore, this behavior by the girl can only occur if the guy willingly enables it.

[Be Wilder]

My man isn't that Lithuanian Karina you're thinking of? That description fits her to a t. Latvian Angelika is not very tall and has shark's biggest butt.

No it was definitely Angelika and she does have the largest and wobbliest arse going. Guess my description about her being tall may have misled you but easy to get mistaken with the high heels. Back later this week and as mentioned, I did find Angelika strangely very erotic so may repeat if she's still around though possibly in a threesome if she has a young girlfriend willing to do some mother / daughter roleplay!

[Saturn11]

Almost all my recent 1 hour sessions have been less than an hour at Sharks, I've noticed it more the last few months than before. Normally the girl starts packing up after about 40 - 45 minutes and gets up says "let's go or shall we go?" I could say "No" and demand an hour but somehow I imagine if I did that the last 15 minutes would be a bit awkward. The rooms have been so hot recently, I've not been too upset at getting turfed out early to be honest.

[Member #4581]

Your original question UH was "how do the girls ever shortchange a guy on time, how can it happen?" So, I provided one explanation and scenario. There may be many others. It is not a justification. And being short changed on time pi$$es me to no end. I don't care if they don't give DFK, DATY, dada because they are not mandated by clubs rules; but if I pay for 30 min I am entitled to 30 min.

Sadly and I am prepared to lay down any large bet on this, if you average over *all the sessions in Oase and Sharks in a month*, a 30 min session actually last less than 25, and perhaps even closer to 20. That is just the reality.

Relative to your specific situation, I think there are 2 big differences:

1. being prepared to stare down and accept the strife that comes with it.

2. Being a well known member and selecting new girls carefully.

Most guys don't like strife and unpleasantness in a sex session. Hard core career mongers are different, but this is true over the total population in my view. Here the girls are at an advantage. Sex is a business to them and not personal; and if they create the strife and play out their drama, it would succeed with a large majority. Yes, every once in a while they come across someone strong like you, but statistically they are in good position if it works on even 50% of men. Paying 50E for 30M is 1.67E per min, for 25 M is 2E per min, and for 20m is 2.5E per min. Effectively, they raised their prices by 50% if they reduced session length from 30m to 20M. That is a price hike for which they don't mind creating some unpleasantness and strife. Especially if the guy is not known, who they think is unlikely to repeat because he is a tourist, or they think is too weak willed and likely to accept with a smile.

Secondly, if this happened in every single room with you, even you might tire of such a situation but your regular attendance and careful selection preclude that prospect. If a tourist has to achieve the same level, he has to invest as many attendances, as many sessions to become equally known. In other words, this is like a perk that comes to a million mile passenger and not to the first time flier.

[Saturn11]

One thing I did notice was a lot of the Teeny Boppers (18 to 20 year olds) were no longer there including Linda and her brunette friend. Hopefully does not have anything with new laws or regulations.

Her brunette friend was Magda, they left early January but I don't think it had anything to do with the new regulations. Those 2 were in inseparable when they weren't in a room. I miss Magda.

[ExpatLover]

Just for information, my experience is exactly bthe same as UH. Although I do, when I decide it is appropriate, make surprise "thank you" extra payments with girls I am a regular customer for and who give something special.

Girls who start asking about extra time or make false timings reduce their chances of earning more than 50 to almost zero.

But like Jnpr30, a couple of regular girls have told me that girls don't like to have to do the full 30 minutes. What next?. Why not pay 50 euros without going to the room. I am sure the girls would like that.

I think you a veteran of the P6 scene, especially the young and new girls are willing to finish as fast as possible and to leave the room, fortunately this happen to me very rarely just because I am behaving like a gentleman, respecting the girls, taking my time, asking questions, listening to their answers and minutes after minutes the girls are opening their mind, feeling better and better and not willing to leave but rather to extend.

Just try to make a kind of ratio, percentage of girls willing to be fucked like a dog, *****, in their ass, percentage of girls willing to be treated like a woman, with respect, with attention.

So many are willing to go out with me, even have a relationship, no because I am rich or beautiful just because I am listening to them, respect leads to respect and obviously the service that I am getting is at least what I think far better than for many other mongers.

[Optimist]

Just for information, my experience is exactly bthe same as UH. Although I do, when I decide it is appropriate, make surprise "thank you" extra payments with girls I am a regular customer for and who give something special.

Girls who start asking about extra time or make false timings reduce their chances of earning more than 50 to almost zero.

But like Jnpr30, a couple of regular girls have told me that girls don't like to have to do the full 30 minutes. What next?. Why not pay 50 euros without going to the room. I am sure the girls would like that.

[UltraHappy]

It is not so much that the girls know how much time you want to spend in the room, but that they want to process the guys fast. First, to 60% of the girls (perhaps even higher) 30 minutes no longer means 30 but more like 20 or 23. So, by the 15th to 20th minute, they either would like to finish you or start making noises that you are coming close to the end of time and would you like to extend? I wear a watch and make a show of looking at my watch when I enter the room but that doesn't seem to matter. They cheat blatantly and claim only 5 minutes are left when I know I still have 10 to 12 on the clock. If you happen to extend to an hour, they do the same charade from the 40th to 45th minute.

I don't talk ever talk about extending to the next half. If they were to ask, I would just make clear that I pay for how long we stay in the room. If we stay half an hour, I pay half an hour. If we stay an hour, I pay an hour. If we stay 5 hours, I pay 5 hours. Thus, it doesn't make sense for them to ask me if I am going to "extend or not. " I would not respond to those types of questions other than to say that I will pay how long we stay in the room. Normal.

If I am in the room and girl did say something silly like, "You have only 2 minutes left" (when I really have 15 minutes left) -- though I have not observed this personally -- then, I would simply ignore her comment, let her know that I will pay her how long we are in the room, and continue to stay in the room however long I want. Then, at the lockers, I would pay her the correct amount, corresponding to how long we were in the room, and if she doesn't like me paying her the correct amount, then we can go to Reception.

A girl can get away with time cheating only if the man lets her. It doesn't matter what the girl claims the time is. You can just stay in the room how long you want and when you get to the lockers, you just pay her how long you were in the room.

If a girl tells me every five minutes that my next half hour is up, I'm not going to pay her 250 Euros after spending 25 minutes with her in the room. If we actually spent only 25 minutes in the room, I will hand her a crisp 50 Euro bill (despite the fact that she claimed we spent a half hour every five minutes).

You don't pay a girl for the time she "claims" you were in the room with her -- You pay her the time you were actually in the room with her. If I'm in the room with a girl for 1 hour and she claims that we were in the room for 2 hours, I will still naturally pay her for only 1 hour (not for her claimed 2 hours).

These are all hypothetical scenarios though because I can't remember these sorts of situations happening. I am just saying what I would do in the scenarios being described here.

[Member #4581]

It is not so much that the girls know how much time you want to spend in the room, but that they want to process the guys fast. First, to 60% of the girls (perhaps even higher) 30 minutes no longer means 30 but more like 20 or 23. So, by the 15th to 20th minute, they either would like to finish you or start making noises that you are coming close to the end of time and would you like to extend? I wear a watch and make a show of looking at my watch when I enter the room but that doesn't seem to matter. They cheat blatantly and claim only 5 minutes are left when I know I still have 10 to 12 on the clock. If you happen to extend to an hour, they do the same charade from the 40th to 45th minute.

Yes, you can stay back in the room till the last minute or take her to the front desk but what can you do when majority of the girls pull this slimy stunt? The mood goes down fast. Just have to live with it, as another sign of service degradation in the clubs.

I usually stay till at least last 4,5 minutes but I also know some of the girls are not so happy. Tough luck. But some other guys may be less willing to put up with the whiny girls and would rather leave the room.

Roxana asked me "you always stay till the last minute? Girls don't like it you know?! 30 minutes is really 20 min, may be 22". And that is after I was with her many times. Refreshingly honest, Roxana is 😎😎

I think you don't run into these issues UH because you are well known and perhaps you select new girls (to you) very carefully and perhaps those girls know what to expect with you from their friends. I know you say you are less known in Sharks but even there perhaps you are much more of a regular than most guys. But almost guaranteed that the same girls who give you good service and stay till you give OK are hustling the touristy types and cheating them on time.

[Pistons]

Never been because too far on a week end, from Paris, but I thought Artemis was a good level, big club, with good girls like Geraldine. Hu. My lovely friend Liz. De is ex Artemis. Upselling land?

One can say a lot about Artemis, but it is not upselling land. Unless it just started being so this year that is.

[UltraHappy]

So it might be the girl you pick but it might as well be your own fault because of lack of communication.

You seem to misunderstand my post. I was not complaining about girls cutting my sessions short. You might want to reread the posts below.

[Optimist]

Turgid. Thank you for your report which cheers me up by confirming that it is still worth looking for the good girls. I am so soft I would probably have repeated several times with her as a thank you to her LOL.