FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[Fucker2019]

Yes, I agree with you. I'm not sure I agree with your characterization using Cheap Charlie. A cheap man is being cheap with his money, which is his right. But the behavior I described below is deceitful, because the guy is explicitly breaking a deal he agreed to.

I think this kinda thing goes on all the time. When they go to the front desk, management has no idea who is telling the truth, because it is he said / she said thing. For all they know, there could be simple miscommunication due to language issues. In situations I am aware of, management told the girl to beat it "because kissing / DATY etc are not 50 euro extras". I heard this from both guys and girls.

And you do see guys rationalizing this. Right here, Turgid said if the girl gave below par service for only a few minutes, I would be hard pressed to pay the full 100 euro amount. Below par service is a subjective assessment. A guy could simply say the girl is providing lousy blow job, did not allow proper doggie or her kissing was a light smooch at best, hence she broke the deal and hence he is justified in breaking it also and stop at 30 M.

That is classic cheap charlie, asshole behavior. If you agreed to an hour and the girl honors her end of the deal, you should honor your agreement too whether you win or lose with management. These days there are no standards in service since each girl can decide what she will or will not do. There is no longer a set club standard except that most of the girls will honor a certain level to be competitive. A gentleman is gracious whether is gets what he wants or not. That does not meant he is chump. If you come to the club often enough, your reputation will speak for itself. You will automatically get better service. Since I am a bigger spender, there have been times where a girl is in and out of a room in 10 minutes because she knows I am a good client and she does not want to miss me. Other popular girls will just turn you down. This is more rare, but at one time there were girls in so much demand that they have a wait list. You have no shot at these girls if you have a bad reputation or am an unknown person. As the saying goes: money talks and bullshit walks.

BTW, experienced girls will agree to everything and say no when you are in the room or have started a session. Do you think that is fair?

[Bonsai]

This is a common situation.

Guy asks for BBBJ and kissing and DATY. Girl says those cost 50 extra. Guy says that's too much. Girl counters "OK, 100 E for 60 M, and I will throw in all those things". Guy agrees. They go to the room. Girl kisses and gives him head with no condom, and let's him lick her pussy. Guy says "stop" at the half hour mark, and pays 50 and says we are done.

Who is right?

If they go to the front desk, it is guy's word against the girl's word. Those things are not technically extras, not in the sense of CIM and anal.

From second hand reports I know, management took the side of guys more often than girls. But that may be a biased sample.

There are those who say "a deal is a deal, you agreed to the terms, pay up". Then there are those who will rationalize it and justify not paying the girl.

If the girl provide prosper service as agreed, then of course is 100 euro.

But if the girl provide bad service, then I would cut the session and leave after 30 min. For 50 euro.

The most important thing is always how she behaves and how you behaves.

The girls will do with you what she think is the best for her.

Its like to you want to sell 100 gram gold in the pawnshop, the shop look at you first, before he tells you the price. Its depends on you behavior and attitude.

[Bonsai]

So lets say you negotiate with a girl to include DATY in addition to BBBJ and CFS and she says to include DATY you must go with her for 1 hour = 100 Euros. However, in the room the service is so bad that you decide to stay for 1/2 hour only. How much do you pay her?

If the service in the room is bad, then you stay 30 min and give only 50!

For example, some girls say they do DFK, and in the room, they kiss 2 second with tongue and that's it.

Then it don't count DFK for me! And the deal is broke.

In real life, in a shoe shop, I pay 100€ for q pair of shoes, but if the ship give me a pair of used shoe, then will you also pay the full price?

[ExpatLover]

This is a common situation.

Guy asks for BBBJ and kissing and DATY. Girl says those cost 50 extra. Guy says that's too much. Girl counters "OK, 100 E for 60 M, and I will throw in all those things". Guy agrees. They go to the room. Girl kisses and gives him head with no condom, and let's him lick her pussy. Guy says "stop" at the half hour mark, and pays 50 and says we are done.

Who is right?

If they go to the front desk, it is guy's word against the girl's word. Those things are not technically extras, not in the sense of CIM and anal.

From second hand reports I know, management took the side of guys more often than girls. But that may be a biased sample.

There are those who say "a deal is a deal, you agreed to the terms, pay up". Then there are those who will rationalize it and justify not paying the girl.

Try it in big clubs like Shark, Oase. Probably you will not be able to come back, the management is always giving right to the girls except you are a very very regular which means visiting the club several times per week with purchasing a lot of champagne.

[Turgid]

.........Guy asks for BBBJ and kissing and DATY. Girl says those cost 50 extra. Guy says that's too much. Girl counters "OK, 100 E for 60 M, and I will throw in all those things". Guy agrees. They go to the room. Girl kisses and gives him head with no condom, and let's him lick her pussy. Guy says "stop" at the half hour mark, and pays 50 and says we are done.............

The guy is clearly in the wrong here and should pay 100 E. However, usually the agreement is for 50 E for 1/2 hour but lets say instead the negotiated agreement is 100 E for 1 hour for BBBJ, DATY and FS but the girl gives toothy BBBJ and ends after 5 minutes, restricts access in DATY and pushes head away after 5 minutes and in FS holds the condom to restrict penetration and in disgust you end the session after 5 minutes of FS. I would be hard-pressed to give her 100 E for a very subpar 15 minute session.

[Akibono]

This is a common situation.

Guy asks for BBBJ and kissing and DATY. Girl says those cost 50 extra. Guy says that's too much. Girl counters "OK, 100 E for 60 M, and I will throw in all those things". Guy agrees. They go to the room. Girl kisses and gives him head with no condom, and let's him lick her pussy. Guy says "stop" at the half hour mark, and pays 50 and says we are done.

Who is right?

If they go to the front desk, it is guy's word against the girl's word. Those things are not technically extras, not in the sense of CIM and anal.

From second hand reports I know, management took the side of guys more often than girls. But that may be a biased sample.

There are those who say "a deal is a deal, you agreed to the terms, pay up". Then there are those who will rationalize it and justify not paying the girl.

That is classic cheap charlie, asshole behavior. If you agreed to an hour and the girl honors her end of the deal, you should honor your agreement too whether you win or lose with management. These days there are no standards in service since each girl can decide what she will or will not do. There is no longer a set club standard except that most of the girls will honor a certain level to be competitive. A gentleman is gracious whether is gets what he wants or not. That does not meant he is chump. If you come to the club often enough, your reputation will speak for itself. You will automatically get better service. Since I am a bigger spender, there have been times where a girl is in and out of a room in 10 minutes because she knows I am a good client and she does not want to miss me. Other popular girls will just turn you down. This is more rare, but at one time there were girls in so much demand that they have a wait list. You have no shot at these girls if you have a bad reputation or am an unknown person. As the saying goes: money talks and bullshit walks.

BTW, experienced girls will agree to everything and say no when you are in the room or have started a session. Do you think that is fair?

[Fucker2019]

This is a common situation.

Guy asks for BBBJ and kissing and DATY. Girl says those cost 50 extra. Guy says that's too much. Girl counters "OK, 100 E for 60 M, and I will throw in all those things". Guy agrees. They go to the room. Girl kisses and gives him head with no condom, and let's him lick her pussy. Guy says "stop" at the half hour mark, and pays 50 and says we are done.

Who is right?

If they go to the front desk, it is guy's word against the girl's word. Those things are not technically extras, not in the sense of CIM and anal.

From second hand reports I know, management took the side of guys more often than girls. But that may be a biased sample.

There are those who say "a deal is a deal, you agreed to the terms, pay up". Then there are those who will rationalize it and justify not paying the girl.

[ExpatLover]

If she is not enjoyable, or if she is enjoyable, I pay only time spent in room with her. Usually, when new girls for me ask how long I want to stay, I answer: It will depend on you, and they understand the message, and I'm really foreplay specialist.

Same for me, I never discuss something before, let us first go to the room and see how is the chemistry, if no chemistry I will leave after few minutes and give her 50 euros, not a big amount to try a new girl if the things are fine I can stay several hours, this Tuesday at Shark a new girl in the room told me, what are you looking for, fuck me, definitively it was a terrible attitude for me and I left the room but by respecting her saying sorry I have to go a customer just tried to call me.

[Sirioja]

I love it when the girls call it a 'tour'. It sounds like a rock band is touring around the states or Europe. Or when they go back to their country they call it 'holiday'.

Siri, I am surprised how many girls you know and you remember so many details. Really impressed!

I tell for a tour for Dina because she didn't stay too long on her last time, if I'm right.

I don't know so many girls because I always go with the same, when I succeed to find a good and pretty one for me, I marry her for club, but when most fuck pieces of meat, I treat them like women and my girls know about this, so they return to me.

[Sirioja]

So lets say you negotiate with a girl to include DATY in addition to BBBJ and CFS and she says to include DATY you must go with her for 1 hour = 100 Euros. However, in the room the service is so bad that you decide to stay for 1/2 hour only. How much do you pay her?

If she is not enjoyable, or if she is enjoyable, I pay only time spent in room with her. Usually, when new girls for me ask how long I want to stay, I answer: It will depend on you, and they understand the message, and I'm really foreplay specialist.

[GuyFromParis]

So lets say you negotiate with a girl to include DATY in addition to BBBJ and CFS and she says to include DATY you must go with her for 1 hour = 100 Euros. However, in the room the service is so bad that you decide to stay for 1/2 hour only. How much do you pay her?

I would say a deal is a deal, so I'll let her 100 €.

[Shark16]

So lets say you negotiate with a girl to include DATY in addition to BBBJ and CFS and she says to include DATY you must go with her for 1 hour = 100 Euros. However, in the room the service is so bad that you decide to stay for 1/2 hour only. How much do you pay her?

My initial reaction is not to go with her. She is an upseller and the session is likely to go bad.

In your scenario you are already in the room with her and too late to say no. You are not saying what "bad" is. But if she has kept her part of the deal, then you should keep yours. You do not want a reputation as a liar among the girls. If she does not keep her part of deal, then of course you can abort at the half hour mark.

[Member #4636]

So lets say you negotiate with a girl to include DATY in addition to BBBJ and CFS and she says to include DATY you must go with her for 1 hour = 100 Euros. However, in the room the service is so bad that you decide to stay for 1/2 hour only. How much do you pay her?

100 euro. What you agreed in first place. You don't like the service and you change again your mind it is your problem.

[Turgid]

So lets say you negotiate with a girl to include DATY in addition to BBBJ and CFS and she says to include DATY you must go with her for 1 hour = 100 Euros. However, in the room the service is so bad that you decide to stay for 1/2 hour only. How much do you pay her?

[Member #4636]

She returned for a tour not so long ago, she knows address for her office when she needs money.

I love it when the girls call it a 'tour'. It sounds like a rock band is touring around the states or Europe. Or when they go back to their country they call it 'holiday'.

Siri, I am surprised how many girls you know and you remember so many details. Really impressed!