FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[Takedown]

I think we must separate the Asian tourists from the American tourists. American men have many forms of recreation viz sports, drinking with buddies, partying and a myriad of others. Asian men on the other hand only indulge in recreational sex. Whereas American men spend liberally across the board Asian men spend excessively when it comes to mongering but very frugally on food, clothes, etc. If you read the South East Asian boards you will read complaints of girls avoiding Americans and Europeans and choosing Koreans, Chinese and Japanese. Asians spend more money on wgs and are less sexually demanding. I am in Sao Paulo now and I see more Asian men in the clinicas than non Asians. Asian mongers proliferate around the globe. I am not complaining about Asian mongers, I actually salute them, they have more disposable income than Americans and Europeans and spend it on a healthy hobby. However, I think they are responsible for spoilt attitudes of many providers.

I have not found Americans to be any better, especially not White Americans. My example and frustrations of Americans overpaying especially covers more White Americans as I tend to befriend more White Americans at the clubs, at least in casual conversation. I don't know many Asians from Asia so I don't know if they overpay even more, no clue, but Americans aren't getting out of this blame game. Not only are they upsold, they also tip. Do Asians from Asia tip? They are notoriously subpar tippers when it comes to food service tipping.

Meanwhile the Asian Americans I know, 6 or so with the exception of one, generally pay club rate plus the occasional extras such as CIM and Anal, but not for kissing or good service.

P.s. those Asians you see in Sao Paulo might very well be locals. Brazil has the largest Japanese population outside of Japan

P.p.s. Asian men frugal with food spending? Lmfao. As for clothes, perhaps the Chinese but not the Japanese and Koreans who are more lavish with appearances.

So in short, I reject your theory that Americans are exempt from the blame of overpaid WGs, especially white Americans.

[Member #4585]

It is the start of the 5 day Ambiente Messe in Frankfurt. It is a decent size Messe so well attended and has a really international crowd.

Just some notes.

I had a room at 5 pm and another room at 9 pm. There was no queues for rooms. It was a usual Friday night with a smattering of the usual German House Guests holding court.

Then at 10 pm an explosion happened. It was expected. There was queues of men coming into the club. Italians, heaps of Italians who refused to speak anything but Italian. No English no German. Italians are not really into international languages in my experience.

The Turkish. Hordes of Ottomans. I don't know if these are Ottomans from Anatolia or local Ottomans but they came intheir groups.

Then Asians. Some Indian and some black but East Asians in the main. Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Thailand, Singapore, Hong Kong. These the girls became active and lapped up and went in for the kill. Certainly for the thrill.

There was one Romanian girl who went up to two very young looking Asian men. She said to them loudly she needed to do a control on them. She said she needed to see their passports to make sure they were of correct age. She was insistent the two small young Asian men did not come into the club falsely. The Germans loved that one and laughed heartedly.

When I left there was a taxi queue that started inside the Sharks carpark and snaked out onto the road to a long way down Rohm Strasse due to all the taxi drivers brining the East Asian customers in car loads from the Messe.

My God. There was so many Asians. The girls were making a killing.

The food was awful. Some of the vegetables were under cooked. It was so bland. I had to order a pizza. Family size. The reason is as soon as the Tutes see you with a pizza they all want some too. They come running over for a piece of action. So I order some slices for me and the rest for the girls who inevitably come by.

A bit different to the Candy man who is regularly in the club.

[Turgid]

I'll ignore the domestic tourist argument because I think we all know what is meant by tourist, international tourist.

Don't be surprised, the belief that tourist spending deserves the blame is highly accurate. Same reason why food at tourist attractions is more expensive than at local joints. Holiday money is spent differently than local money.

I have spoken with numerous Americans at the clubs on several occasions and they have admitted to overpaying. They also admit that because they are tourist that don't come often, they don't care about the effect they have on pricing. Selfish attitude tes, but hey they're trying to enjoy their holiday today, not ensuring a cheaper one for you or even for themselves tomorrow. (WGs are not the only ones who are short sighted)

So yes, tourists are a big reason why prices are inflated at big name brand clubs. It's obvious. Again, see food prices at tourist attraction example. Same same.

I think we must separate the Asian tourists from the American tourists. American men have many forms of recreation viz sports, drinking with buddies, partying and a myriad of others. Asian men on the other hand only indulge in recreational sex. Whereas American men spend liberally across the board Asian men spend excessively when it comes to mongering but very frugally on food, clothes, etc. If you read the South East Asian boards you will read complaints of girls avoiding Americans and Europeans and choosing Koreans, Chinese and Japanese. Asians spend more money on wgs and are less sexually demanding. I am in Sao Paulo now and I see more Asian men in the clinicas than non Asians. Asian mongers proliferate around the globe. I am not complaining about Asian mongers, I actually salute them, they have more disposable income than Americans and Europeans and spend it on a healthy hobby. However, I think they are responsible for spoilt attitudes of many providers.

[Member #4585]

Cheap Charlie all day 50 bucks entry Wednesday was as usual populated by the German House Guests groups who hold court reigning over all that they survey.

Not much to report apart from it was a usual Wednesday and not masses of fucking.

Brand name Sharks girls booked out with the lower grade team less busy and waiting around for customer to take them.

The line up surprisingly felt much better in terms of number than it did on Friday for the first day of the Ambiente Messe which is on from 9 to 13 February.

Maybe it is because a lot of the girls were unemployed.

The Walrus was there and he was auditioning the girls that will take an offer.

[KenzoTange]

A French or Italian guy doing a weekend Frankfurt trip might visit ISG the night before his visit and spend 5 minutes clicking around. That is long enough to see that Sharks has 17.000 reports and read the most recent 2-3 page of reviews. Five minutes of effort is enough to come to the conclusion that Sharks is trending upward and probably the club they should check out. Although such minimal effort is not enough to remember details like: Angelina crushes testicles or Betty goes into mens wallets..

Entschuldigung. I am a tourist and I am guilty of this. I came to "Germany. FKK Clubs" and notice Sharks had more posts so I come here. 3 weeks ago everything was more positive and Sharks looked better than Oase and Palace and Mainhattan.

If I live in Frankfurt and own a car I would visit other clubs. But sharks is closest to airport and Darmstadt has cheap hotels. I do try my best not to overpay. Even as a tourist we would prefer not to pay extra.

[Takedown]

If you observe local Germans and sex tourists from America / Asia, there is a big difference in behavior and mindset. To be successfully in the negotiation process, one must not seem overeager, one must not be too emotionally invested in the outcome, and one must not feel pressured by time. Some local Germans attend so much, they are spoiled to the point they are disinterested. They feel no pressure to chase after a busy WG today, because they can always come back tomorrow or next week.

I'm going to have to defend myself as a tourist. You've seen me in clubs only going with one girl or none at all on multiple occasions. 😬.

[Takedown]

I am surprised that tourists are blamed for a club's service levels dropped or greedy nature of WG girls.

Who else is not tourists if he visit a FKK clubs outside his home city?

Americans and Asians can't get cheap white European pussy back home, so everything is a bargain to them. They have this attitude, like what's a 50 EUR tip when I just spent over a 1000 EUR on airfare. Local Darmstadt guy going to a Berlin FKK doesn't suffer from same issues.

I'll ignore the domestic tourist argument because I think we all know what is meant by tourist, international tourist.

Don't be surprised, the belief that tourist spending deserves the blame is highly accurate. Same reason why food at tourist attractions is more expensive than at local joints. Holiday money is spent differently than local money.

I have spoken with numerous Americans at the clubs on several occasions and they have admitted to overpaying. They also admit that because they are tourist that don't come often, they don't care about the effect they have on pricing. Selfish attitude tes, but hey they're trying to enjoy their holiday today, not ensuring a cheaper one for you or even for themselves tomorrow. (WGs are not the only ones who are short sighted)

So yes, tourists are a big reason why prices are inflated at big name brand clubs. It's obvious. Again, see food prices at tourist attraction example. Same same.

[McAdonis]

Without tourists, especially those came from America or some rich Asian countries, most FKK clubs would bankrupt. Local German mongers should appreciate international mongers' financial help to maintain the FKK businesses in Germany and in affordable way. BTW, local Germans are also tourists if they visit clubs outside their home cities.

If you observe local Germans and sex tourists from America / Asia, there is a big difference in behavior and mindset. To be successfully in the negotiation process, one must not seem overeager, one must not be too emotionally invested in the outcome, and one must not feel pressured by time. Some local Germans attend so much, they are spoiled to the point they are disinterested. They feel no pressure to chase after a busy WG today, because they can always come back tomorrow or next week. Some locals have been fucking brand name WGs for decades and even seem bored by them. They are willing to try wider range of WGs. I once met a local at LR who told me he fucked the entire LU. This type of behavior sends a message to the most attractive, spoiled, princess WGs: "I have no leverage. My beauty holds no power over him. ".

Americans and Asians can't get cheap white European pussy back home, so everything is a bargain to them. They have this attitude, like what's a 50 EUR tip when I just spent over a 1000 EUR on airfare. Local Darmstadt guy going to a Berlin FKK doesn't suffer from same issues.

[Nick The G]

Yes, you can at Sharks, with a woman type blond Hungarian always smiling, not Dina nor Nicoletta nor Mersi. Hu, only working on week end. I had 2 rooms with her on end of 2017 . She is really nice for behavior, always smiling, kissing, sucking, but really not used to long foreplay, so even not my standard, 30 full minutes are enough with her. No upselling, only smiles and thank you for 50.

It almost sounds like there are 2 different Merci's. One Romanian and one Hungarian.

I guess Sirioja was writing about fake-blonde Lora.

[McAdonis]

They don't as the percentage of visitor reading the forums is far lower than most of us think.

"Bad reviews" doesn't mean just internet forums. This includes men speaking to each other inside the club. Back at Oase in 2013, I met four hardcore sex tourists traveling a group. They explained that the previous day they were at Palace. All four of them went with Stella. Their entire table fucked her. All four of them said it was a horrible session. I could understand the first guy stepping on the grenade, maybe even the second. But the fourth guy? This means the fourth guy went with her even after all three of his wingmen gave her negative reviews!! Just this past weekend I was reminded this is not a strange phenomenon. A monger sent me a text message telling me of a similar story that occurred with his group at Sharks. This time I believe friend #1 went with the Sharks brand name WG back in September. Friend #2 and #3 went with her this weekend. All three of these friends knew about her negative internet forum reviews as well. Message to the WG is loud and clear: I can perform poorly and still get customers.

Sharks' service levels dropped when the tourists discovered the club. That will happen to any other club as well.

Their discovery is partially fueled by internet forum traffic. I agree that 95% of visitors do not read the reports religiously, but many know about the forum and will visit occasionally. A French or Italian guy doing a weekend Frankfurt trip might visit ISG the night before his visit and spend 5 minutes clicking around. That is long enough to see that Sharks has 17.000 reports and read the most recent 2-3 page of reviews. Five minutes of effort is enough to come to the conclusion that Sharks is trending upward and probably the club they should check out. Although such minimal effort is not enough to remember details like: Angelina crushes testicles or Betty goes into mens wallets.

I'd say maybe 1-3% of Sharks visitors are hardcore fly-in sex tourists (rough estimate since I don't speak to every man that enters the club). These men spend 30-60 days a year in FKK. Their annual airfare, hotel, rental car, and fuel costs alone probably exceed $10 K. You think these guys making these huge investments aren't doing their research? This small but influential group probably makes up between 20-80% of the income for each WG in the pole dancer group.

[ExpatLover]

I am surprised that tourists are blamed for a club's service levels dropped or greedy nature of WG girls.

Who else is not tourists if he visit a FKK clubs outside his home city?

If someone is a Darmstadt local, did he ever visit clubs in NRW or Berlin? Was he not a tourist when he visited there?

Without tourists, especially those came from America or some rich Asian countries, most FKK clubs would bankrupt. Local German mongers should appreciate international mongers' financial help to maintain the FKK businesses in Germany and in affordable way. BTW, local Germans are also tourists if they visit clubs outside their home cities.

No offense to anyone!

Let us be reasonable if I follow you when you change street you are also a tourist, no a tourist is a guy who can't speak German mostly, who is not visiting club many times a year, obviously they are also not aware about the services that should be included in a 50 euros session.

[Rogue Nation]

I am surprised that tourists are blamed for a club's service levels dropped or greedy nature of WG girls.

Who else is not tourists if he visit a FKK clubs outside his home city?

If someone is a Darmstadt local, did he ever visit clubs in NRW or Berlin? Was he not a tourist when he visited there?

Tourists as a synonym for an client willing to pay overpay and to ruin service levels. Either because he doesn't know better or because he doesn't care as he is rarely visiting and doesn't care. Usually those clients are foreigners. Asians or Americans overwhelmed by what they can get in an FKK opposed to their home country. Rarely they are Germans, but the do also exist. The big spenders who fall in love e. G.

It is quite obvious that smaller clubs off the beaten path with a high percentage of locals do have higher service leveks than the big fuck factories near or in the big cities, close to the fairgrounds and airports.

Palace, Artemis, Paradise, Oceans. Versus Bahama, Rom, Feigenblatt. Just to name a few.

Sharks wasn't discovered by too many foreigners a few years ago. Service level was high. Then more and more tourists flocked to the club, even during Messe they take a cab to Sharks and not to Oase or Palace. Service levels dropped.

[BigBuddy69]

The easiest solution would be to say "no, I already gave you enough money", don't you think?

Spoiling the girls is not a good idea.

[UncleOx]

Sharks' service levels dropped when the tourists discovered the club. That will happen to any other club as well.

I am surprised that tourists are blamed for a club's service levels dropped or greedy nature of WG girls.

Who else is not tourists if he visit a FKK clubs outside his home city?

If someone is a Darmstadt local, did he ever visit clubs in NRW or Berlin? Was he not a tourist when he visited there?

Without tourists, especially those came from America or some rich Asian countries, most FKK clubs would bankrupt. Local German mongers should appreciate international mongers' financial help to maintain the FKK businesses in Germany and in affordable way. BTW, local Germans are also tourists if they visit clubs outside their home cities.

No offense to anyone!

[Pistons]

Yes, you can at Sharks, with a woman type blond Hungarian always smiling, not Dina nor Nicoletta nor Mersi. Hu, only working on week end. I had 2 rooms with her on end of 2017 . She is really nice for behavior, always smiling, kissing, sucking, but really not used to long foreplay, so even not my standard, 30 full minutes are enough with her. No upselling, only smiles and thank you for 50.

As I'm used to 1 hour rooms, no upselling for me at Sharks, girls take 100 and repeat.

It almost sounds like there are 2 different Merci's. One Romanian and one Hungarian.