FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[Member #4581]

I completely disagree! Nobody is shaming anyone.

It is important for everyone (whether they are a Chinese National, a US Citizen, a British Subject or from Outer Mongolia) who is reading this forum to know for sure what the correct pricing structure is and when they are being asked to pay over the odds.

There is far too much blurring of the lines on the subject of pricing in Frankfurt FKKs and far too many members on this forum who have developed an absolute acceptance of being ripped off.

The hookers know that some guys (particularly members from the US and East Asia) have traveled across continents to get to Germany and FKK Sharks, and therefore in their minds these tourists must have plenty of cash and should they name a high price, there is every chance that they will hit a big payment with a guy who knows no better, who is unlikely to haggle and who is unlikely to walk away.

I want members to know (for sure) when they are being asked to pay over and above what is the norm.

If I am being literal and I say "people have no business shaming others", and you say "I completely disagree".........

Whether some people are being shamed or not -- that is for those people who got shamed to say. It is easy for the basher to claim "no one got bashed".

Secondly, yes we all know the pricing. But as I said, even the lecturers here many times overpaid in other ways. No one knows what the fuck anyone is doing behind the doors. And the percent of people writing regularly on this site is a very small fraction of total attendees. The rest of them will pay what they will pay, regardless of what the preachers here will say. The only thing we achieve by bashing people who write reports is a suppression of future reports.

[Nick The G]

... is that there are certain girls who simply refuse to do 50 E /30 M w / BBBJ and DFK. Many in fact. I don't believe there is any evidence that the locals are successfully getting good service from those either. .

First of all, according to the german law, no BBBJ is allowed anymore.

Second, girls need to register to satisfy the needs of the respective tax offices.

That's the legal side to it.

For both points, reality in the clubs might be different. But as with all illegal things, if we ask for it, high probability that we need to pay more for it.

What is our contribution? We don't want to change our beloved capitalistic habits and narcissistic traits that make us think we can get everything for money. Therefore, once we enter the FKK club scene nowadays, many of us are willing to dive into illegal pleasure. And only few wake up and realize right now, that these so-called happy days of mongering in Germany are over and gone.

Sex is sold in ever increasing factory like fantasy worlds and within that environment the illusion of quality is substituted / superseded by the illusion of quantity (pay more to get more).

[Der Auslander]

My point is that people have no business bashing the spending practices of others around here -- "shaming" a few writers here will have zero impact on the general trend anyway.

I completely disagree! Nobody is shaming anyone.

It is important for everyone (whether they are a Chinese National, a US Citizen, a British Subject or from Outer Mongolia) who is reading this forum to know for sure what the correct pricing structure is and when they are being asked to pay over the odds.

There is far too much blurring of the lines on the subject of pricing in Frankfurt FKKs and far too many members on this forum who have developed an absolute acceptance of being ripped off. They have in effect become apologists for these rip-off practices whether they realize it or not. ^

The hookers know that some guys (particularly members from the US and East Asia) have traveled across continents to get to Germany and FKK Sharks, and therefore in their minds these tourists must have plenty of cash and should they name a high price, there is every chance that they will hit a big payment with a guy who knows no better, who is unlikely to haggle and who is unlikely to walk away.

I want members to know (for sure) when they are being asked to pay over and above what is the norm.

^ Please note I do not refer to HungryStud101 in any of the above.

[Member #4581]

Ah. You have found me out. LOL.

No, I don't expect veteran mongers like you will be the ones I referenced but at the same time I know I read stories of such accounts here. I have been hit up once by my top girl at that time, I simply shrugged my shoulders and said sorry. My point is that people have no business bashing the spending practices of others around here -- "shaming" a few writers here will have zero impact on the general trend anyway. The problem, if it is a problem, is much bigger than a few guys you can lecture down on a site like this.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/c...inese-tourist/

See the rise of the Chinese tourist. This is a tsunami, and not a whole lot the average local pensioner with 3 K monthly income can do if his spending is drowned out by deeper pockets from elsewhere.

[Optimist]

BTW, overpaying comes in many forms. There are mongers who spend several hours in the room with a girl drinking, chatting, and even listening to music or playing cards with a fraction of time spent on sex. Technically, if you spend 6 hours in a room with a girl and give 600, you can claim you paid the right rate -- to me, you paid 600 for one hour of real sex. Then there are others who give gifts and cash to their fav girls believing their sob stories and don't think for a minute about it but think they have exacting standards because they negotiate 50 E /30 M with some other girls.

Ah. You have found me out. LOL.

[Member #4581]

BTW, overpaying comes in many forms. There are mongers who spend several hours in the room with a girl drinking, chatting, and even listening to music or playing cards with a fraction of time spent on sex. Technically, if you spend 6 hours in a room with a girl and give 600, you can claim you paid the right rate -- to me, you paid 600 for one hour of real sex. Then there are others who give gifts and cash to their fav girls believing their sob stories and don't think for a minute about it but think they have exacting standards because they negotiate 50 E /30 M with some other girls.

[LaBambaBoy]

What percentage of girls at oase and sharks do you guys think require 100 euro per hour for a good session including at least DFK and BBBJ? I assume world is a lower percentage.

I'm asking because I still prefer to only commit to 50 euro for 30 minutes with new girls but have no issues extending to 1 or 2 hours if the girl is good. Just pains me to commit to an hour with an unknown quantity.

I had no trouble getting BBBJ (no CIM) for 50 euro at Sharks. DFK was tougher, though I admit I did not push for it; not always my thing.

[Optimist]

BB. At World is close to zero (though quite a few girls don't dfk at all). Others will have better info than me about Sharks and Oase, but I know it is much much higher.

I have same approach as you and will not commit to an hour. Someone here said he commits to an hour and if the girl is not as good as she promises, aborts after 29 minutes.

[Banana Boi]

The only type of overpaying I do is agree to one hour 100 Euro sessions.

What percentage of girls at oase and sharks do you guys think require 100 euro per hour for a good session including at least DFK and BBBJ? I assume world is a lower percentage.

I'm asking because I still prefer to only commit to 50 euro for 30 minutes with new girls but have no issues extending to 1 or 2 hours if the girl is good. Just pains me to commit to an hour with an unknown quantity.

[Optimist]

Delta. No way suggesting you overpay. I think you come within the group who can negotiate happily through the perils of that portion of girls wanting to overcharge: personally I can't be bothered.

As for Oase, several members negotiate those waters happily and successfully without getting scammed.

I think it is just a question of establishing credentials as a regular visitor and having a modicum of charm (having money, basic humanity, and no body odour). I just don't go enough to establish myself in a new big club quickly enough.

Cheers.

[Turgid]

................Do you guys think the norms at Sharks apply to Oase as well? I am not so sure, the service at Sharks seems more reliable.........

In June / July I had to look harder to get standard sessions at Oase. The girls were more sharkish and from my observations for some reason the mongers were more tolerant of being scammed.

[Member #4581]

Good points made on all sides. However, HungryStud is merely saying "don't shoot the messenger". From what I know, he is a seasoned monger and there is no evidence he overpaid and destroyed any market.

Even if they are tourists, the ones who frequent these clubs would want rational pricing. On my very first visit in my super excitement, I might have been willing to pay any price the girl wanted (actually, I did not even on that day). But if one is visiting 6 times a year, spending thousands per visit just to get there, one would want to partake as many sessions as possible, and an extra hundred per hour adds up quickly. On this site, the ones who write regularly are all frequent mongers and I expect they do not want to destroy the market anymore than the locals do. I recently posted a cost estimate per trip for me which runs nearly 4 grand per visit. Why would I intentionally want it to run upto 6 grand which it would be if all hourly rates were to double? I wouldn't.

The other point HS made is that there are certain girls who simply refuse to do 50 E /30 M w / BBBJ and DFK. Many in fact. I don't believe there is any evidence that the locals are successfully getting good service from those either.

And then there are other girls who do give good service to locals and regulars but not to tourists. That is because they EXPECT to obtain repeat business from them. This is no different than a bulk discount shoppers receive. To some extent, the higher priced services tourists pay subsidize the bulk discounts for the locals and regulars.

UH is a super regular at Oase even if he is an American tourist. He obtains great services from many girls there, even as the few genuine locals on this thread occasionally complained that Oase has become a shark haven. This shows that there are multiple dynamics at play here and not just a us vs them bashing.

And finally, moneyed tourists paying more than locals happens in practically every region and market. I have no doubt that the northern Europeans flocking to the warm comforts of Bali and Siam for beaches and women are probably overpaying for a whole bunch of things more than the locals do in those areas. You can curse the tourists all you want, but unless you erect walls like ISG hero Trump wants to and stop tourism totally, this is a "problem" that will not be solved merely by bashing clueless Americans and Asians. China got admitted to WTO in the early 2000s and since then that country alone has increased global GDP by several trillion dollars and printed several thousand millionaire names -- it is inevitable that some of that money flows into clubs to chase Romanian poon tang -- this is just a fact of life.

[Delta Indigo]

DerAuslander. Well said. I have already taken your advice and gone elsewhere. I got fed up with some girls trying for inflated prices and trying to condition me into thinking that a session of a hundred euros was nothing. I treat the workers with respect and expect the same in return

Girl says minimum price is 100 for decent session: I walk away. Girl gives good service for 50 and I then spend maybe 500 maximum. I leave Sharks to the overpaying tourists, the many correct paying local frequent visitors, and those tourists who are happy to deal with the aggro of having to negotiate with some girls

I don't overpay ever in Sharks, I did once at Artemis and enormously regretted doing so.

The only type of overpaying I do is agree to one hour 100 Euro sessions.

I agree with Auslander in principle, however not all clubs are the same. I doubt you can get a good session in Artemis from most girls for the standard rate.

Do you guys think the norms at Sharks apply to Oase as well? I am not so sure, the service at Sharks seems more reliable.

Sakura has much better service than Paradise for example, in Paradise I agreed to the one hour 100 Euro deal to get the same terms as in Sakura.

Surely these norms don't hold for all clubs, I do agree that overpaying spoils the market and it is silly.

Get extras by all means, I frequently pay for anal but don't ever pay for standard things like kissing and any type of blowjob.

[Kuni042]

Asians, Americanos and other non-locals:

Please read this excellent post from "Der Auslander". I could not possibly agree more with all this. Ah, and BTW, if you finished reading, please start over again. In the hope that you memorize this all. Do not spoil the ladies! DO not overpay. Thank you!!

FYI: I am quasi-local, and speak german 100% fluently. So I was very rarely asked those prices. But I hear they are quite the norm to be asked to non-locals, especially if one of the big Messe events are going on!

I absolutely believe you!

My problem is the following inaccuracies in your recent post:

This is just plain wrong. There are nearly always far more locals in FKK Sharks than tourists. Some may not seem like German citizens because they may be of Turkish origin (and hence speaking Turkish) but they do live locally. FKK Sharks or indeed any of the Frankfurt clubs would not stay open on tourist revenue alone! You just have to be in the club on a Sunday afternoon to see and realize how many locals are in attendance as they watch the Bundesliga (German soccer league matches) on TV. The club is sometimes over 90% local and packed to the rafters.

Generally speaking locals will not pay these prices which you quote (I. E. Euro 100 or euro 150 for 30 minutes). Nor will any frequent visitor to the club be he French, Belgian, Dutch, Italian, British or from anywhere else pay these prices. Of course there are schmucks from every country, not just North America, and chances are if you were a frequent visitor to the club you would not have been quoted these prices, unless perhaps the club was particularly busy but even then probably not. I accept that many hookers in Sharks want euro 100 for 30 minutes but they are just as likely to accept euro 100 for 60 minutes and include GFE and BBBJ for no extra. You have to be prepared to haggle and if necessary walk away.

The problem you have is that US tourists along with East Asian (Japanese, Taiwanese, South Korean) tourists have a reputation for overpaying. The hookers know that you have traveled across continents to get to FKK Sharks and have a few dollars in your pocket to splash out. The girls will definitely try to extract the maximum dollars / euros they can from these tourist types in the knowledge that they are unlikely to see you ever again because by the time you come back (if you come back) she will have moved on to another club or to another life.

My problem here is that you are quoting the words of two hungry hookers, who are trying to condition you to pay more than is usually necessary for a fast fuck, and then presenting this made-up pricing structure as if it was some newly discovered fact. Just like Moses presenting the 10 commandments on stone tablets to the Israelites, you present the above pricing structure as if it were a revelation from God! This pricing structure is complete bullshit! The correct rate is euro 50 for 30 minutes with BBBJ (and sometimes not BBBJ). You should not have to pay extra for kisses or GFE but if you are just going to the room for 30 minutes how much GFE / kisses do you want or expect? The better looking the girl the more rooms she will get. Some girls do not want to do 30 minute sessions or at least charge a premium for doing so, Thats fair enough. Either haggle and get the price down or simply walk away or pay (in the knowledge that you are overpaying and have been had).

English has been spoken in my native country longer than the United States has existed and some of the greatest writers in the language have come from my native city. Its a pity that you find it necessary to inject personal insults into this conversation. Perhaps I have been too hard on you. I applaud (for the most part) the style of your recent travel post and regret that I find it necessary to highlight some inaccuracies in what is for the most part a very entertaining report. At least you are bringing information back to the forum and that in itself is a good thing and if noting else the commentary you have made in your report has caused controversy. I wish you well.

[BigBuddy69]

IAt least you are bringing information back to the forum and that in itself is a good thing and if noting else the commentary you have made in your report has caused controversy. I wish you well.

Yes and maybe you should think about doing the same thing, because I don't think I read a report written by you recently (actually I can't remember reading any report by you). He just reported what those girls told him, and saying that there is no upselling in Sharks is a massive fake news! That's why I decided not to come back in this shark pond.