FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[Fucker2019]

So let us say that both the girl and the guy are aware that he got a very subpar 15 minute service as I described. Do you think the guy should willingly pay you 100 Euros?

Aware, perhaps. Who knows what's in someone's mind? Does the girl admit?

From my experience, almost no girl ever thinks her service is subpar / bad, and will never admit to it in front of front desk. Almost equally, many guys have inflated expectations. How many sessions in your mongering life would you rate as 10? Less than 10%, less than 5%? We all are striving for some mythical perfect session. Therein lies the gap.

Anyway, I was just posing a question and not making a statement. I almost never break a deal once I agree to it, because I recognize service quality is a subjective assessment. Other guys have different views. Below, you have Akibono who is much more vocal. Even name calling people who break deals. I would say, the argument is between you and him: once you agree to stay an hour in return for kissing and DATY and BBBJ, do you have to stay for the full hour regardless of service quality or do you have the right to break the verbal deal because the you feel that the service falls below your expectation?

[WorldPeaceNow]

So let us say that both the girl and the guy are aware that he got a very subpar 15 minute service as I described. Do you think the guy should willingly pay you 100 Euros?

My 2 c: No, pay for 30 m and then write a report here about her so you can help other mongers.

[WorldPeaceNow]

If she is not enjoyable, or if she is enjoyable, I pay only time spent in room with her. Usually, when new girls for me ask how long I want to stay, I answer: It will depend on you, and they understand the message, and I'm really foreplay specialist.

Fantastic advice. I always wondered how to cut short a disastrous one hour session without losing face and money. For me, a deal is a deal. From both parties! When one violates, it voids the deal.

BTW, I'm a foreplay specialist too and this is where girls try to short change me.

[The Cane]

Being gracious whether you get what you want or not does not equate to being a gentleman. It equates to being used and taken advantage of! The way to be treated right is to establish a reputation of somebody who is clean and nice, who is willing to spend some money, who will always keep his end of the deal, and who knows how to have good sex. Oh, and also as somebody who is not going to be played! The profession is full of jaded sharks. If they see that you will allow yourself to be jerked around, then they won't respect you one iota. Along with all the rest of it that goes with being a stand-up guy, you need to show that you're somebody who will stand up for yourself too if you've been wronged. Don't always just shrug your shoulders and walk away! This is the kind of monger that the girls truly respect.

People are always going on about treating the girls with respect. Mongers who give them the money they use to pay their bills should be treated with respect too. Instead, too many of the working girls would bite the hand that feeds them. Some even insult and look down upon us for patronizing the premises. I had one girl who wanted to fuck tell me I was not "normal" for frequenting FKKs. And she is for getting fucked up her butt hole while working in one? Look, I have never once welched on anything that I agreed to. Time, money, or whatever. Anytime anything ever went sideways with stuff like that was always because of the girl's behavior. Lying about what she will do, for how long she will do it, and for how much money, etc. Even about her age or her very looks (why I pretty much stopped using escort services years ago).

Now, if it wasn't for the German / Swiss FKK or Brazilian terma sauna club models, I seriously doubt that I ever would have become a "monger". And that's because of all of the kind of bullshit behavior from the girls I'm talking about. I've had a lot of success and enjoyable times over the years because these platforms have helped me to carefully screen and navigate through it all. They raised the level of the playing field as far as I am concerned, and I'm glad I found them. But, like with anything, there are always the bad apples. Don't just take and accept their bad behavior. They need to be dealt with! I find the way that some of them view and treat Asian clients to be despicable. In and out of the room literally in minutes, then laughing about it later! Gentlemen? Or chumped? Chumped!

[BigBuddy69]

That is classic cheap charlie, asshole behavior. If you agreed to an hour and the girl honors her end of the deal, you should honor your agreement too whether you win or lose with management.

If her service is bad she doesn't honor her end of the deal.

[Turgid]

.............. Right here, Turgid said if the girl gave below par service for only a few minutes, I would be hard pressed to pay the full 100 euro amount. Below par service is a subjective assessment. A guy could simply say the girl is providing lousy blow job, did not allow proper doggie or her kissing was a light smooch at best, hence she broke the deal and hence he is justified in breaking it also and stop at 30 M.

So let us say that both the girl and the guy are aware that he got a very subpar 15 minute service as I described. Do you think the guy should willingly pay you 100 Euros?

[Fucker2019]

One girl in a Hessen club once gave me kissing only after the half hour mark. Her rationale was that I might decide to abort before 30 minute mark after she already gave me kissing. She waited till the 30th minute and then gave me pretty good DFK, tongue and all.

That's how she protects herself. Guess she got burned a few times.

This was during our first meet. After that first one, she learned to trust me.

[Jolokia]

Below par service is a subjective assessment. A guy could simply say the girl is providing lousy blow job, did not allow proper doggie or her kissing was a light smooch at best, hence she broke the deal and hence he is justified in breaking it also and stop at 30 M.

What is definition of proper doggie? I'm curious.

[Fucker2019]

Yes, I agree with you. I'm not sure I agree with your characterization using Cheap Charlie. A cheap man is being cheap with his money, which is his right. But the behavior I described below is deceitful, because the guy is explicitly breaking a deal he agreed to.

I think this kinda thing goes on all the time. When they go to the front desk, management has no idea who is telling the truth, because it is he said / she said thing. For all they know, there could be simple miscommunication due to language issues. In situations I am aware of, management told the girl to beat it "because kissing / DATY etc are not 50 euro extras". I heard this from both guys and girls.

And you do see guys rationalizing this. Right here, Turgid said if the girl gave below par service for only a few minutes, I would be hard pressed to pay the full 100 euro amount. Below par service is a subjective assessment. A guy could simply say the girl is providing lousy blow job, did not allow proper doggie or her kissing was a light smooch at best, hence she broke the deal and hence he is justified in breaking it also and stop at 30 M.

That is classic cheap charlie, asshole behavior. If you agreed to an hour and the girl honors her end of the deal, you should honor your agreement too whether you win or lose with management. These days there are no standards in service since each girl can decide what she will or will not do. There is no longer a set club standard except that most of the girls will honor a certain level to be competitive. A gentleman is gracious whether is gets what he wants or not. That does not meant he is chump. If you come to the club often enough, your reputation will speak for itself. You will automatically get better service. Since I am a bigger spender, there have been times where a girl is in and out of a room in 10 minutes because she knows I am a good client and she does not want to miss me. Other popular girls will just turn you down. This is more rare, but at one time there were girls in so much demand that they have a wait list. You have no shot at these girls if you have a bad reputation or am an unknown person. As the saying goes: money talks and bullshit walks.

BTW, experienced girls will agree to everything and say no when you are in the room or have started a session. Do you think that is fair?

[Bonsai]

This is a common situation.

Guy asks for BBBJ and kissing and DATY. Girl says those cost 50 extra. Guy says that's too much. Girl counters "OK, 100 E for 60 M, and I will throw in all those things". Guy agrees. They go to the room. Girl kisses and gives him head with no condom, and let's him lick her pussy. Guy says "stop" at the half hour mark, and pays 50 and says we are done.

Who is right?

If they go to the front desk, it is guy's word against the girl's word. Those things are not technically extras, not in the sense of CIM and anal.

From second hand reports I know, management took the side of guys more often than girls. But that may be a biased sample.

There are those who say "a deal is a deal, you agreed to the terms, pay up". Then there are those who will rationalize it and justify not paying the girl.

If the girl provide prosper service as agreed, then of course is 100 euro.

But if the girl provide bad service, then I would cut the session and leave after 30 min. For 50 euro.

The most important thing is always how she behaves and how you behaves.

The girls will do with you what she think is the best for her.

Its like to you want to sell 100 gram gold in the pawnshop, the shop look at you first, before he tells you the price. Its depends on you behavior and attitude.

[Bonsai]

So lets say you negotiate with a girl to include DATY in addition to BBBJ and CFS and she says to include DATY you must go with her for 1 hour = 100 Euros. However, in the room the service is so bad that you decide to stay for 1/2 hour only. How much do you pay her?

If the service in the room is bad, then you stay 30 min and give only 50!

For example, some girls say they do DFK, and in the room, they kiss 2 second with tongue and that's it.

Then it don't count DFK for me! And the deal is broke.

In real life, in a shoe shop, I pay 100€ for q pair of shoes, but if the ship give me a pair of used shoe, then will you also pay the full price?

[ExpatLover]

This is a common situation.

Guy asks for BBBJ and kissing and DATY. Girl says those cost 50 extra. Guy says that's too much. Girl counters "OK, 100 E for 60 M, and I will throw in all those things". Guy agrees. They go to the room. Girl kisses and gives him head with no condom, and let's him lick her pussy. Guy says "stop" at the half hour mark, and pays 50 and says we are done.

Who is right?

If they go to the front desk, it is guy's word against the girl's word. Those things are not technically extras, not in the sense of CIM and anal.

From second hand reports I know, management took the side of guys more often than girls. But that may be a biased sample.

There are those who say "a deal is a deal, you agreed to the terms, pay up". Then there are those who will rationalize it and justify not paying the girl.

Try it in big clubs like Shark, Oase. Probably you will not be able to come back, the management is always giving right to the girls except you are a very very regular which means visiting the club several times per week with purchasing a lot of champagne.

[Turgid]

.........Guy asks for BBBJ and kissing and DATY. Girl says those cost 50 extra. Guy says that's too much. Girl counters "OK, 100 E for 60 M, and I will throw in all those things". Guy agrees. They go to the room. Girl kisses and gives him head with no condom, and let's him lick her pussy. Guy says "stop" at the half hour mark, and pays 50 and says we are done.............

The guy is clearly in the wrong here and should pay 100 E. However, usually the agreement is for 50 E for 1/2 hour but lets say instead the negotiated agreement is 100 E for 1 hour for BBBJ, DATY and FS but the girl gives toothy BBBJ and ends after 5 minutes, restricts access in DATY and pushes head away after 5 minutes and in FS holds the condom to restrict penetration and in disgust you end the session after 5 minutes of FS. I would be hard-pressed to give her 100 E for a very subpar 15 minute session.

[Akibono]

This is a common situation.

Guy asks for BBBJ and kissing and DATY. Girl says those cost 50 extra. Guy says that's too much. Girl counters "OK, 100 E for 60 M, and I will throw in all those things". Guy agrees. They go to the room. Girl kisses and gives him head with no condom, and let's him lick her pussy. Guy says "stop" at the half hour mark, and pays 50 and says we are done.

Who is right?

If they go to the front desk, it is guy's word against the girl's word. Those things are not technically extras, not in the sense of CIM and anal.

From second hand reports I know, management took the side of guys more often than girls. But that may be a biased sample.

There are those who say "a deal is a deal, you agreed to the terms, pay up". Then there are those who will rationalize it and justify not paying the girl.

That is classic cheap charlie, asshole behavior. If you agreed to an hour and the girl honors her end of the deal, you should honor your agreement too whether you win or lose with management. These days there are no standards in service since each girl can decide what she will or will not do. There is no longer a set club standard except that most of the girls will honor a certain level to be competitive. A gentleman is gracious whether is gets what he wants or not. That does not meant he is chump. If you come to the club often enough, your reputation will speak for itself. You will automatically get better service. Since I am a bigger spender, there have been times where a girl is in and out of a room in 10 minutes because she knows I am a good client and she does not want to miss me. Other popular girls will just turn you down. This is more rare, but at one time there were girls in so much demand that they have a wait list. You have no shot at these girls if you have a bad reputation or am an unknown person. As the saying goes: money talks and bullshit walks.

BTW, experienced girls will agree to everything and say no when you are in the room or have started a session. Do you think that is fair?

[Fucker2019]

This is a common situation.

Guy asks for BBBJ and kissing and DATY. Girl says those cost 50 extra. Guy says that's too much. Girl counters "OK, 100 E for 60 M, and I will throw in all those things". Guy agrees. They go to the room. Girl kisses and gives him head with no condom, and let's him lick her pussy. Guy says "stop" at the half hour mark, and pays 50 and says we are done.

Who is right?

If they go to the front desk, it is guy's word against the girl's word. Those things are not technically extras, not in the sense of CIM and anal.

From second hand reports I know, management took the side of guys more often than girls. But that may be a biased sample.

There are those who say "a deal is a deal, you agreed to the terms, pay up". Then there are those who will rationalize it and justify not paying the girl.