FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[Akibono]

You know nothing about this business if You think girls asking the most expensive will be on the highest level. Highest level usually don t speak about money but try to make You return, they know if they fuck You, You won t return but only few maso. Girls who ask 100/150/30 or 200 or more for 1 hour at Sharks are not on the highest level can find in Germany, but they know painful balls not able to control will pay even too expensive. For Zoncolan, I spent 3 entries at Wellcum and 1 at Andiamo for 339 , but only 100 in room for 40 mn with lots of good french kiss with a full natural with no tattoes, taller than 170 . Not much spent on girls even some pretties, 2 ex Globe at Wellcum and not among the prettiest, but I don t pay for shit level for Italians, like I try to avoid to buy shit chinese or korean products, I won t buy one of their cars. Even heavy balls, but I try my best in Zoncolan.

Those who believe women respond to money spend their efforts to earn it and get the hot girls. Others spend their time driving far distances and engaging in pillow talk hoping to attract the attention of hot women. The winners are usually quiet. We don't brag, but share information with other like minded people. No need to waste time looking for illusions. Classy women know their worth, and they deliver if you can afford them.

[Sirioja]

I agree to an extent. Flawless model body, great face, but her smile is so-so (it's the short teeth that look weird, in my opinion). And she smokes like crazy, as do plenty of other women in the club unfortunately. And the pussy isn't the tightest (sounds silly but you start to notice and compare these things when you've seen the same women so often).

As far as pricing and service goes, let's be fair, she can charge whatever she wants (as can Brenda). However, some women are trying to charge 100 euros for 30 minutes, and that's crazy, because they look far worse. Every woman thinks they're worth 100 euros for 30 minutes and what's worse, they harass you to try to get it. I wish there was a no harassing the customer policy.


I never took it either. In my opinion, a GFE is taking a girl out to movies, dinner, sightseeing for several hours to all day. Its not 30-60 minutes of laying on a bed. I dont want any extra costs, upselling, ad-ons, kissing, etc. I want the BBBJ, sex with condom, and I will decide later if I want to re-book you.


I disagree, if a WG looks like Catalina or Brenda and provides good service, she has every right to charge whatever she wants. Supply and demand.

But if she provides bad service (rushed, complaining, time watcher, upselling etc), no matter what she looks like, then that is a stupid woman who will not get repeat clients. As well as the ones who get fat and still expect to make money.

Different experiences, when 180 Katalea became a small pussy after only 4 months at Sharks on October 2021 , for my size and rythm, when I m not Rocco Siffredi but a little bit more respectful about women, but became boring for sex and really not anymore worthing 150/60 , when Sena and her friend were on far higher level for sex with GFE, for only 100/60 . The fall for freshness and quality compare to July 2021 .

[Sirioja]

I never booked girls in advance. Mandy was probably the most booked lady in Sharks. Sometimes when I went to Mandy she would tell me she has a client coming to her in x minutes and x minutes later she would be going to the room with the client. You got Mandy without booking if you timed her well or are just lucky.

I saw many times Mandi. De not busy when I visited weekly. Lovely, real will to please, but no wow for me, so, no repeat. Maybe we will have to book new french girl, when never had any in FKK land, when those seen in Saarland and the one at Sharks on 2016 were not pretty enough.

[Sirioja]

My mistake, Kate at Prime.

Mandy was never sitting alone. Sandra would intentionally speak to her clients in a private area before rooms. Neither never lowered or tiered their service for different rates.

It was Acapulco at her time until ramadan 2017 . I saw many times Sandra. De and Mandi. De not busy when I visited weekly, but not anymore on this year, when I fully agree, even no wow for Mandi on our discovery and problem of image for Sandra, both not top beauties, but lovely and on higher level than now too expensive girls at Sharks, but it was past. Now, even golden gate is 130/60 and some girls don t kiss.

[EuroTravel1234]

I never booked girls in advance. Mandy was probably the most booked lady in Sharks. Sometimes when I went to Mandy she would tell me she has a client coming to her in x minutes and x minutes later she would be going to the room with the client. You got Mandy without booking if you timed her well or are just lucky.

Who is Mandy? New girl at Shark??

Thanks.

[Turgid]

Kate at Gold? Selecting clients? Sandra and Mandy selecting clients? So funny.

I never booked girls in advance. Mandy was probably the most booked lady in Sharks. Sometimes when I went to Mandy she would tell me she has a client coming to her in x minutes and x minutes later she would be going to the room with the client. You got Mandy without booking if you timed her well or are just lucky.

[Escape Artist]

Kate at Gold? Selecting clients? Sandra and Mandy selecting clients? So funny.

My mistake, Kate at Prime.

Mandy was never sitting alone. Sandra would intentionally speak to her clients in a private area before rooms. Neither never lowered or tiered their service for different rates.

[Sirioja]

Exactly!

When a WG gives someone the bullshit "my standard service costs 50, but if you want it extra nice with kissing then it costs 100" upsell line, then there is only one possible correct answer: say "no thank you" and walk away!

Her standard service will suck and her 'extra nice' service will suck too, with a high probability that she will ruin the entire experience by continuing to upsell while in the room after the customer has agreed to the 'extra nice' service. She won't care though, because at this point she will know that; a) the customer is a tourist so she will most likely not run into him again, b) the customer is a 'simp' and he will most likely not cause a scene at the reception, and c) she will get paid for the verbally agreed upon 'extra nice' service anyway, regardless if she fucks him or not.

Being a simp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simp.

Who do you guys think provide the most GFE service at Sharks?

She was able to play with me, she is full natural with beautiful eyes, so I would advice Sena even not anymore for 100/60 but at least she is able to kiss like a woman and fire in bed, not a small pussy.

[Sirioja]

You cheap charlies have it all wrong. If the girls were making 2 x, I would be jumping for joy. That means an influx of great talent that will drive down the price. Instead, you are seeing the equivalent of a death spiral of a failing restaurant. Girl are increasing prices because they can't cover their costs. That is desperation. It is like a restaurant during covid increasing prices and reducing portions. That only drives the customers away, exacerbing the problem until failure. I suspect the clubs have increased the entry for girls due to fewer male guest. In the next few years, many clubs will fail. There were already too many clubs which were too big before covid. The smarter punters and girls have moved on to different venues or quit the business. One of the most successful clubs (I don't count the mega clubs) is Golden Time. They kept prices relatively low and service was high. Sure, they had a door policy. But that was to keep the undesirable people out. It attracted rich guys who were spending money on the girls instead of sitting around and eating. Many drove hours from Belgium to visit the club. The working girls made so much money, there was a wait list and management frequently let underperformers go. They listened to customer complaints, made corrections and frequently plowed money back into the business so that things were fresh. It was a perfect balance between customers, management and the girls. The key to any club is talent (looks and service) along with big spenders. The smart Germans always knew that they benefitted from the high spending tourists. This attracted better girls and they got better prices. The cheap punter always complains about prices. Well, there are always lower cost options like street walkers and flop houses. With the coming inflation and dire economy, things will probably get worse. A smart girl keeps her service high relative to the other girls and is constantly busy. That allows her to choose the best clients instead of the other way around. She will earn more because she works more and some guys will actually pay more just to secure a slot. In the past, there were some girls that were in so much demand that punters would offer higher rates or prepay just to get a session. But that only works when there is a lot of money in the room.

You know nothing about this business if You think girls asking the most expensive will be on the highest level. Highest level usually don t speak about money but try to make You return, they know if they fuck You, You won t return but only few maso. Girls who ask 100/150/30 or 200 or more for 1 hour at Sharks are not on the highest level can find in Germany, but they know painful balls not able to control will pay even too expensive. For Zoncolan, I spent 3 entries at Wellcum and 1 at Andiamo for 339 € , but only 100 € in room for 40 mn with lots of good french kiss with a full natural with no tattoes, taller than 170 . Not much spent on girls even some pretties, 2 ex Globe at Wellcum and not among the prettiest, but I don t pay for shit level for Italians, like I try to avoid to buy shit chinese or korean products, I won t buy one of their cars. Even heavy balls, but I try my best in Zoncolan.

[Sirioja]

I agree with the majority of this post but hold some reservation with a few points. The assessment of the great girls staying busy by keeping up service and selecting their customers is right on however there is a flaw into thinking that would be the norm for more than a few unicorns. Girls like Mandy, Sandra, and Evita of Sharks, Kate of GT and Gold, or Lucy of Acapulco / Great Palast / Penelope are the rare unicorns who practice this work model. It is a pipe dream to think that there would be enough girls like that for that sort of work ethic and professionalism to become the norm.

I sort of concur with the club death spiral prediction except that we can see that clubs can remain open even with slow businesses. Oase, Manhattan, and World have not been packed clubs for an extended amount of time since at least 5 years ago, yet somehow they remain open. My first thought of answering how this can be is that these clubs exist to be more than just a profitable business. Manhattan and World are owned by Hells Angels syndicates so it's easy to guess why these unprofitable to barely profitable businesses stayed open all of these years. Oase is basically a rich owner's playground so being profitable is not the concern. Perhaps Sharks is different since they seem to be a club that reinvest money in itself as evident by the constant renovations. Then again, it's easy to launder a lot of money by writing off renovation expenses by inflating the renovation cost and doing the job cheaply and reporting a higher market-appropriate cost.

Kate at Gold? Selecting clients? Sandra and Mandy selecting clients? So funny.

[Sirioja]

It was a complete invention, the forum were this rumor originated is primarily for winny little men whose only metric for the quality of a girl is how much money she ask.

I am really sad for the english speaking people whose almost only source for information about FKKs is here. You already have some report of people who tried low cost clubs in NRW because of some post here, to go back without one room and stay bored all day in a small club.

Sharks is evidently the best club in Germany right now and it's not in spite of the fact that the girls are expensive, it's because of it. The management should not ask of the girls to lower their prices but they need to get rid of the bad apples that give shitty services.

No, Sharks girls are not best value for quality in Germany on 2022 , only for quantity, but very few pretties worthing rate they ask, none worthing 200/60 escort rate in Germany. When You know a bit, You find better values in NRW. Including 6 NL on border, I would rank big Sharks only 4th or 5th in Germany on 2022 for quality, when I prefer quality than quantity. Only 3 hours in room at Sharks on this year, arithmetics talk. Girls who ask the most expensive in brothels are usually not the best, nor even the prettiest. Highest level girls usually prefer to make regulars than fucking tourists. Sharks is on this year for tourists behavior, when most best girls were for 100/60 on 2021 . Normal if less crowded after touristic Summer, when girls make clients stay away from Sharks, like they did at Oase. Why to pay more expensive for less pretties and not real GFE for me.

[Rocko20]

Catalea is a model type but her prices have gone up and service down. Meanwhile she wears very heavy make up. 200 for 60 min is definitely overpriced. When she was new in business, she used to kiss, some session were longer than agreed 30 min with GFE like experience. She didn't kiss during last last session few months back. Her service is not the same.

Her body is flawless but her face is just so so. Service has definitely declined but is still decent. There are very few girls can keep their service level high over time and I don't blame them. Workaholics are rare in real life. Just move on and find next one.

I agree to an extent. Flawless model body, great face, but her smile is so-so (it's the short teeth that look weird, in my opinion). And she smokes like crazy, as do plenty of other women in the club unfortunately. And the pussy isn't the tightest (sounds silly but you start to notice and compare these things when you've seen the same women so often).

As far as pricing and service goes, let's be fair, she can charge whatever she wants (as can Brenda). However, some women are trying to charge 100 euros for 30 minutes, and that's crazy, because they look far worse. Every woman thinks they're worth 100 euros for 30 minutes and what's worse, they harass you to try to get it. I wish there was a no harassing the customer policy.

Usually it's a package: the GFE experience. Never took it: a girl that offer that type of extra is usually not very good, and there is so many girls that do great services why bother with those girls?

I never took it either. In my opinion, a GFE is taking a girl out to movies, dinner, sightseeing for several hours to all day. Its not 30-60 minutes of laying on a bed. I dont want any extra costs, upselling, ad-ons, kissing, etc. I want the BBBJ, sex with condom, and I will decide later if I want to re-book you.

Hookers are not very good businesswomen. The girls saw an opportunity and increased their prices by 100%.

I disagree, if a WG looks like Catalina or Brenda and provides good service, she has every right to charge whatever she wants. Supply and demand.

But if she provides bad service (rushed, complaining, time watcher, upselling etc), no matter what she looks like, then that is a stupid woman who will not get repeat clients. As well as the ones who get fat and still expect to make money.

[Escape Artist]

You cheap charlies have it all wrong. If the girls were making 2 x, I would be jumping for joy. That means an influx of great talent that will drive down the price. Instead, you are seeing the equivalent of a death spiral of a failing restaurant. Girl are increasing prices because they can't cover their costs. That is desperation. It is like a restaurant during covid increasing prices and reducing portions. That only drives the customers away, exacerbing the problem until failure. I suspect the clubs have increased the entry for girls due to fewer male guest. In the next few years, many clubs will fail. There were already too many clubs which were too big before covid. The smarter punters and girls have moved on to different venues or quit the business. One of the most successful clubs (I don't count the mega clubs) is Golden Time. They kept prices relatively low and service was high. Sure, they had a door policy. But that was to keep the undesirable people out. It attracted rich guys who were spending money on the girls instead of sitting around and eating. Many drove hours from Belgium to visit the club. The working girls made so much money, there was a wait list and management frequently let underperformers go. They listened to customer complaints, made corrections and frequently plowed money back into the business so that things were fresh. It was a perfect balance between customers, management and the girls. The key to any club is talent (looks and service) along with big spenders. The smart Germans always knew that they benefitted from the high spending tourists. This attracted better girls and they got better prices. The cheap punter always complains about prices. Well, there are always lower cost options like street walkers and flop houses. With the coming inflation and dire economy, things will probably get worse. A smart girl keeps her service high relative to the other girls and is constantly busy. That allows her to choose the best clients instead of the other way around. She will earn more because she works more and some guys will actually pay more just to secure a slot. In the past, there were some girls that were in so much demand that punters would offer higher rates or prepay just to get a session. But that only works when there is a lot of money in the room.

I agree with the majority of this post but hold some reservation with a few points. The assessment of the great girls staying busy by keeping up service and selecting their customers is right on however there is a flaw into thinking that would be the norm for more than a few unicorns. Girls like Mandy, Sandra, and Evita of Sharks, Kate of GT and Gold, or Lucy of Acapulco / Great Palast / Penelope are the rare unicorns who practice this work model. It is a pipe dream to think that there would be enough girls like that for that sort of work ethic and professionalism to become the norm.

I sort of concur with the club death spiral prediction except that we can see that clubs can remain open even with slow businesses. Oase, Manhattan, and World have not been packed clubs for an extended amount of time since at least 5 years ago, yet somehow they remain open. My first thought of answering how this can be is that these clubs exist to be more than just a profitable business. Manhattan and World are owned by Hells Angels syndicates so it's easy to guess why these unprofitable to barely profitable businesses stayed open all of these years. Oase is basically a rich owner's playground so being profitable is not the concern. Perhaps Sharks is different since they seem to be a club that reinvest money in itself as evident by the constant renovations. Then again, it's easy to launder a lot of money by writing off renovation expenses by inflating the renovation cost and doing the job cheaply and reporting a higher market-appropriate cost.

[Pessimist]

There are some on here that think they should be paying a figure based on inflation and / or average workers pay increases in the last x years. The simple fact of the matter is the girls can charge what they like. If people don't like a 100% increase then they too can exercise their right to not pay it.

Your last sentence is a bit redundant, no? Yes, pretty much all the guys who stayed away from the clubs have been exercising that right in a way. Only a few thousand mongers attend, several millions stay away.

As freelance girls on their own they could charge what they want but in a club, management has a right to put a structure around pricing. If a girl charged your friend 50 but charged you 100 for the same, you too may get passed. Just one example. One of the things we all liked about FKKs was that there was a known price structure in place. It is a major turnoff to haggle every little bit of service with every girl.

CPI indexing would be silly. If inflation was 2%, 50 becomes 51, then 52 and a couple of pennies and so on. Prices were bound to go up in steps, but whether the right amount is 10 or 20 or 50 or 100, that is up for debate.

[Akibono]

Most EU employees working for a pay check didn't get a 20% pay increase (from 50430 to 60430 is 20 percent) 5-10 years ago. As a matter of fact, they still don't get a 20% pay increase, despite the massive inflation, yet the WGs recently got a 100% pay increase!

So while most European employees barely got any pay increases for many years while still paying ever-increasing taxes to support the socialist spending programs from corrupt politicians, WGs have been living a more or less tax free lifestyle while at the same time hiking their prices because stupid sex tourists were overpaying for standard services by leaving gigantic tips and-or by paying for extras that were part of the standard package.

Another major point it that all those transactions in FKK clubs are in cash only over which those WG pay almost ZERO income taxes. Since a few years WGs now pay some symbolic tax each month because they need to be registered, but this probably is just a fraction of what they actually make. In today's environment how will the German tax ever find out how many rooms a WG does per year? Answer: never!.

You cheap charlies have it all wrong. If the girls were making 2 x, I would be jumping for joy. That means an influx of great talent that will drive down the price. Instead, you are seeing the equivalent of a death spiral of a failing restaurant. Girl are increasing prices because they can't cover their costs. That is desperation. It is like a restaurant during covid increasing prices and reducing portions. That only drives the customers away, exacerbing the problem until failure. I suspect the clubs have increased the entry for girls due to fewer male guest. In the next few years, many clubs will fail. There were already too many clubs which were too big before covid. The smarter punters and girls have moved on to different venues or quit the business. One of the most successful clubs (I don't count the mega clubs) is Golden Time. They kept prices relatively low and service was high. Sure, they had a door policy. But that was to keep the undesirable people out. It attracted rich guys who were spending money on the girls instead of sitting around and eating. Many drove hours from Belgium to visit the club. The working girls made so much money, there was a wait list and management frequently let underperformers go. They listened to customer complaints, made corrections and frequently plowed money back into the business so that things were fresh. It was a perfect balance between customers, management and the girls. The key to any club is talent (looks and service) along with big spenders. The smart Germans always knew that they benefitted from the high spending tourists. This attracted better girls and they got better prices. The cheap punter always complains about prices. Well, there are always lower cost options like street walkers and flop houses. With the coming inflation and dire economy, things will probably get worse. A smart girl keeps her service high relative to the other girls and is constantly busy. That allows her to choose the best clients instead of the other way around. She will earn more because she works more and some guys will actually pay more just to secure a slot. In the past, there were some girls that were in so much demand that punters would offer higher rates or prepay just to get a session. But that only works when there is a lot of money in the room.