FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[ExpatLover]

Reply from EL: you are right cheap P6 will remain, but the kind of erotic like in big FKK is too expensive for many guys now, young educate and wealthy people don't need and more importantly don't want to pay for a girl or for sex, they can use apps like Tinder.

[Pessimist]

Are you claiming a cultural change is going on and less and less people find appropriate to do P6? Or do you claim that for one reason or another a lot of people cannot spend as much as before on P6?

I've always found surprising how rare are very young Germans guys (eg 18 yo) in the FKKs. I understand that they perhaps don't have money to be regulars, but I would expect to see every time a group of 18 yo boys partying a birthday in a FKK. That would happens 100% probability if FKKs were in Italy. No doubt.

I'm scared by the idea that in a few years P6 in Europe will almost disappear and only survive in illegal and poor / uncomfortable contexta.

Italy is not too far from Germany. Milan or Venice to Munich is a 6 hour drive. If you would see so many 18 year old Italians if FKK was in Italy, you should be able to see a few of them in Germany as well, methinks.

But yeah, not too many young people. Sometimes I do see a few. A few years ago, I remember seeing 3 or 4 young fellers surround this really pretty blonde in GT. One of the dudes was really built and cute. The blonde was like 21 herself and it looked to me she was turned on. But they went back and forth for a while and she did not go with him. I would have paid 10 bucks to see them fuck LOL.

[Akibono]

Reply EL: mongering is globally decreasing in Europe, when you look what is happening over the last years with a club like World, before always full with local guys may 100+ girls, now 30+ girls less and less local mongers, and the business is slowly coming to an end year after year. Obviously you have now new comers mostly with migration background but they can never spend so much on girls than the previous mongers.

Part of the problem is the population growing older. Your typical monger is high 30's to 60. There are also far more clubs open and are bigger. You also have to look at specific countries. The scene in Spain looks better than a few years ago. Regulation has killed France.

[Rovereto]

Reply EL: mongering is globally decreasing in Europe, when you look what is happening over the last years with a club like World, before always full with local guys may 100+ girls, now 30+ girls less and less local mongers, and the business is slowly coming to an end year after year. Obviously you have now new comers mostly with migration background but they can never spend so much on girls than the previous mongers.

Are you claiming a cultural change is going on and less and less people find appropriate to do P6? Or do you claim that for one reason or another a lot of people cannot spend as much as before on P6?

I've always found surprising how rare are very young Germans guys (eg 18 yo) in the FKKs. I understand that they perhaps don't have money to be regulars, but I would expect to see every time a group of 18 yo boys partying a birthday in a FKK. That would happens 100% probability if FKKs were in Italy. No doubt.

I'm scared by the idea that in a few years P6 in Europe will almost disappear and only survive in illegal and poor / uncomfortable contexta.

[McAdonis]

The true danger IMO comes from the hardcore "cancel culture" and the "me too feminists," and that's usually found on the left and extreme left of the political spectrum. People who want to regulate and control every aspect of once's lives, instead of just allowing people to muddle on and make their own decisions.

Feminists are actually divided on the issue of prostitution. And it seems at least in America, the liberals favor legalization, whereas conservatives do not.

"Anti-prostitution feminists hold that prostitution is a form of exploitation of women and male dominance over women and a practice which is the result of the existing patriarchal societal order. These feminists argue that prostitution has a very negative effect, both on the prostitutes themselves and on society as a whole, as it reinforces stereotypical views about women, who are seen as sex objects which can be used and abused by men.

Pro-prostitution feminists hold that prostitution and other forms of sex work can be valid choices for women and men who choose to engage in it. In this view, prostitution must be differentiated from forced prostitution, and feminists should support sex worker activism against abuses by both the sex industry and the legal system."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_prostitution

"More Republicans (52 percent) than Democrats (45 percent) or independents (37 percent) think it should be illegal to accept money for sex."

https://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11203740/prostitution-legal-men-women-poll..

[Sirioja]

Hello all,

I hope everyone is doing okay during this crazy time. I just would like to ask a very silly but very interested to know question. FKK Sharks are they open because I just called during normal hours and no one answered the phone. Thanks to all.

All German brothels are closed. Panic on German forums. According to German girls, many Germans go to paid sex. Funny to hear them, when I ask them why they don't find a nice boyfriend. Different answer compare to Romanians.

[HammerTime96]

P6 is used by a small percentage of the population. And if you are going to count the men who actually see a WG regularly (as in more than ten times a year), we are talking probably less than 1 percent of the population. Nobody gives a shit but us hardcore mongers.

Meh, it's always been the oldest profession in the world and many many men, at one point in their lives, has paid for sex. Don't forget, what you see in the FKK clubs only represents a very small (and VERY international) portion. You're forgetting about the many RLD and the many smaller brothels in provincial towns, all across Germany. P6 is no big deal in Europe, and it's one of those things that many politicians in the past (incl. Christian democrats) have turned a blind eye to for hundreds of years, as it was accepted as a part of normal life. As I said: oldest profession in the world.

The true danger IMO comes from the hardcore "cancel culture" and the "me too feminists," and that's usually found on the left and extreme left of the political spectrum. People who want to regulate and control every aspect of once's lives, instead of just allowing people to muddle on and make their own decisions.

P.S. I'm really not that hardcore, I just visit once in a while when I'm bored and horny, and if no girlfriends are on the radar. Why always pay? We now see how vulnerable and completely at the mercy of politicians and authorities it can make us.

[ExpatLover]

Reply EL: mongering is globally decreasing in Europe, when you look what is happening over the last years with a club like World, before always full with local guys may 100+ girls, now 30+ girls less and less local mongers, and the business is slowly coming to an end year after year. Obviously you have now new comers mostly with migration background but they can never spend so much on girls than the previous mongers.

[Aquarius1981]

Hello all,

I hope everyone is doing okay during this crazy time. I just would like to ask a very silly but very interested to know question. FKK Sharks are they open because I just called during normal hours and no one answered the phone. Thanks to all.

[Sirioja]

With 1 K new cases in Romania daily with 19 M population, now think yourself when the ladies will get back. I don't think until March next year something will change much with current situation and virus itself. Is all about vaccine and FKKs will be the last thing to open. Eastern Europe is on the peak right now with new cases.

Romania and Bulgaria may be put under quarantine, not good for castings in Austria and Switzerland.

[Alessandro527]

With 1 K new cases in Romania daily with 19 M population, now think yourself when the ladies will get back. I don't think until March next year something will change much with current situation and virus itself. Is all about vaccine and FKKs will be the last thing to open. Eastern Europe is on the peak right now with new cases.

A large amount of Romanian ladies who worked in German FKK, work now as escorts or went to Austria and Swiss. I believe at least 60 % of them are in business.

[Lover28X]

With 1 K new cases in Romania daily with 19 M population, now think yourself when the ladies will get back. I don't think until March next year something will change much with current situation and virus itself. Is all about vaccine and FKKs will be the last thing to open. Eastern Europe is on the peak right now with new cases.

[McAdonis]

Germans typically stick their heads into the sand when political trouble approaches (See their history of WW1, WW2, and the DDR), and they are doing the same now. They won't wake up until it's too late and their freedoms are gone, and FKK clubs and P6 are permanently forbidden because of "health reasons."

P6 is used by a small percentage of the population. And if you are going to count the men who actually see a WG regularly (as in more than ten times a year), we are talking probably less than 1 percent of the population. Nobody gives a shit but us hardcore mongers. The problem is there are not that many hardcore mongers, and even less who would voluntarily relinquish their anonymity to participate in a protest. If prostitution were abolished in Germany tomorrow, very few people would put up a fight. Just like nobody really put up a fight when similar things happened in USA or France. Rather than protest the anti-P6 laws, these American and French men "blindly followed their politicians".

Since the closing of FKK clubs back in March, many local mongers quit P6. However, the more hardcore ones continue to engage in P6 either illegally in DEU or travelling to other countries where it is currently legal. Again no different to what American and French mongers have done for years.

[Alessandro527]

No, I see nothing yet and I check regularly. NRW has banned prostitution, the ordinance has been extended repeatedly and will currently expire August 11, but I expect that it will be extended yet again.

What you can find open is erotic massages, most of them ending with an oily handjob. The few that provided full sex are also open but state only erotic massages on their web sites - although I bet it's business as usual though.

There are erotic massages that send the girl to your house / hotel for massage. 5 minutes massage and 55 minutes fucking.

[HammerTime96]

Unfortunately it's a joke:

But there must be some info in German media about the situation? I mean now when. NL, . At, . Ch and others are open a good journalist must ask the politicians when they open in Germany?

Believe it or not, but opening FKK clubs so that a bunch of sex tourists can come monger and spread the virus. Is probably the LAST thing on the minds of German politicians. As for the local Germans: they are used to "following orders" and "blindly following politicians" so they won't wake up until it's too late.

On German boards, criticizing politicians is "verboten," and the way they are now deleting posts and banning people who dare criticizing the European (not just German) politicians for totally mishandeling the situation (and disrespecting the German constitution with totalitarian measures, is totally identical to the way they were deleting accounts and posts back in January-February when you mentioned Wuhan and the situation there, and voiced concerns that this will eventually also come to Europe and effect the FKK clubs. Back in January-February, I would like a post of someone who was concerned about the Wuhan virus, and a few hours later I would check to see what other people thought, but the post would be gone with a message that it was "off topic. " Hahaha! And when people would open a new thread, they would close the thread, saying something like "it has nothing to do with P6." And look at them now: everything closed for months and no end in sight.

Germans typically stick their heads into the sand when political trouble approaches (See their history of WW1, WW2, and the DDR), and they are doing the same now. They won't wake up until it's too late and their freedoms are gone, and FKK clubs and P6 are permanently forbidden because of "health reasons."

(in February, the Robert-Koch-Institute (RKI) was still maintaining "why the RKI estimates that the risk for the German population is small,' but it's "verboten" to mention this on German boards. See page 5: "Warum das RKI das Risiko füare die Bevölkerung in Deutschland aktuell noch als gering einschätzt" https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt...ublicationFile.