FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[Sirioja]

I think the right explanation could be that the business model of the club is to live from the entry fees coming from girls and mongers. The clubs don't care if the girls are earning money or not only important for them is to get the entry fees.

Seems to be Sharks business strategy: as many girls as possible, paying 75 for entry + 25 for taxes + 20 if sleeping. 1 WG worth 2 clients for money. 100 girls pay 10000 per day, 3.5 million per year.

At Globe, they don't accept too many girls on tour and are more selective for look and care, even I saw some not pretty faces or a quite fat black there, but maybe they have clients asking for black girls.

[Pistons]

The whole women are guests or not may just be a deception because of the legal system. But nothing is withholding night clubs from having ladies nights with free entry also. So the point on behalf of the FKK's for projecting this image would be moot in that case anyway. So they are probably if so just being overcareful while being clueless on the laws. Which we pretty much all know they are anyway regarding recent events... The other reasoning: psychology on sales could be it also. But I highly doubt that would work. Unless guys are really dumb...

JJForum: Cosminas's friend, the super asian hunter expert is 99% likely to be Evita... asians tend to like her looks. I'd personally place Cosmina above her though... it is funny, but when I frequented asia and macau in the past, some girls told me caucasian men allways picked them also, while asians almost never did. So it led me to think beauty is somehow ethnically based also. It is more than just the individuals perhaps...

[Member #4654]

What is the name of the girl who sometimes hangs out with Blonde Cosmina?

Let me try narrow it down further, hopefully.

- Dark hair. Oval face. Pretty looks and smile. Small tits. Not as thin as Cosmina. About as tall as Cosmina.

- She is always trying to get Asian clients.

- She was there Friday and Saturday. Both Cosmina and her were working on a high roller Asian client. Just sitting on the couch.

- Sits near the pole when she is free.

BTW. Is Janine, De ever free now? She is hanging out with ugly, old Germans. Just sitting around. Not that Janine is super great in the room, but I'm glad I had her many times when she started.

[Pistons]

Syz: if about half the girls are 6 and below, about half are also 7 and up. Averages for face / body etc ofcourse. Now I didn't specify the club, but among the clubs I visit or have been to. Some clubs have higher rates, some lower. And it changes. So I guess thats where my average meter is... I guess if I was a judge in a fitness competition or a math teacher I'd get fired huh? For not placing average at 5. But then again, I am nice. It depends on what you compare them to also.

The market is not in decline either. It is just stagnant... but the customerbase may change clubs or scenery from time to time. But the number of girls seems to go up, so more to divide that cake on. Maybe not because recruitment rate grows, but because girls seem to stay in the business longer...

There are mechanisms for ruling out girls also without having an entry fee. I'll be damned for example if a few of the old fat romanians who worked at Artemis last year for a few months ever got a room. They got in after that raid and occupied one of the sofas... rumors from girls has it that some clubs (like LR) have had management handpick girls out of for example optics. So it is possible...

[The Cane]

What percentage of girls make it to 7 or more? A lot can get a 7 or more for the body, but much less make it for the face. I see a lot more pretty faces on the street in France or even in England (ignoring the fatties).

When a club has too many girls, there has to be a deterrent to keep out girls who can't make any money. That method seems to be the entry fee. I have not heard of the club screening girls, and saying some cannot work because they are just too fat or too ugly. I maybe wrong. However it seemed that Sharks would accept most girls.

Girls maybe deluding themselves at first, thinking that any girl can be a well paid hooker, and looks don't matter. Many girls try it but cannot make money. They don't the base of regular customers.

Many customers like a club to have too many girls, however I dislike it on the grounds that girls are getting too stressed by lack of customers. I will choose the ones that seem like they can relax and have fun (and are good looking).

This post includes some excellent points! For me, one of the absolute biggest reasons I turn a girl down is the face. This is why I make sure I get right up on a tute so I can check her out real good. What looked good from afar may not look so hot up close. For me, the fail is often in the face.

And, I think some girls absolutely do delude themselves! They all think they understand men, but they do not. If you're going to make money at an FKK, then you can't just show up and splay your legs open! There's going to be competition, and you need to steadily appeal to clients if you're going to make money and win! I can never understand why girls will ask for a threesome when one of the girls is totally not in the same league as the hot one in the pair! I know that maybe the hottie is trying to help her friend out, but it does not work! And eventually the ugly duckling drops out because she can't earn!

One thing I can say with confidence about Sharks is that the number of girls there causes not only the ugliest but also good looking girls to leave. There was this blonde Italian girl (don't recall her name) who would sit on the little stage to the right as you enter the lounge and approach the bar. She was quite attractive according to my tastes. During my recent three week tour, at the end of it I saw her working over at Oase (with a kind of "I Dream of Jeannie" hairdo). She said that there were just too many girls over there. So, too many tutes can cause not only the ugliest to lose, but some lookers too. I warned Mandy at Artemis who asked me which club I had been too had the most men. I said Sharks, but I told her that Sharks had the most girls too, and therefore the most competition. She said she might check out Sharks, but that she was happy at Artemis in Berlin too.

By the way, I heard that Club Globe in Zurich definitely screens out girls on more than just an entrance fee. If you're too fat, not attractive enough, then you can't work there. And even then, once you're in at Globe, you need to work to stay in! You get fat or your performance slips, you're out! Many, many girls cannot stand up to that kind of pressure.

[Solo Traveler]

Many girls below that 7 mark seems to sometimes have a very hard time earning enough for entry fee. Which makes me question the validity of that whole entry fee for girls idea.

Good observation, Pistons.

I had the same observation and I started to suspect the whole "women are also guests" sort of setting.

Yes, I did see some women handing in some banknotes to the front desk lady before entering the club to work, but who knows what happens under the table, right?

Maybe they get their money back after work? Maybe they reimburse their entry by offering service to the stakeholders? And many other possibilities that are more tough and ugly to imagine.

At the FKK Dietzenbach thread, one member stated his suspicion of women using some special substances to keep them energetic.

The truth is always tough and ugly, and we punters are very unlucky to have a hobby that connects deeply to the world's most complicated industry.

If you go further, you will see it is more about providing an illusion that men prefer to believe.

"The women are there as guests, just like any one of us. They somehow love to have sex with random men in the club! However, they are in need of some cash because they have no jobs, so we men shall give some Euros to them as a gift after meeting them, etc. "

[ExpatLover]

What percentage of girls make it to 7 or more? A lot can get a 7 or more for the body, but much less make it for the face. A 9 girl is seriously scarce. I see a lot more pretty faces on the street in France or even in England (ignoring the fatties).

When a club has too many girls, there has to be a deterrent to keep out girls who can't make any money. That method seems to be the entry fee. I have not heard of the club screening girls, and saying some cannot work because they are just too fat or too ugly. I maybe wrong. However it seemed that Sharks would accept most girls.

In other countries, brothels may kick out girls that seem to be generally very low rated, to improve their overall standard and image.

Girls maybe deluding themselves at first, thinking that any girl can be a well paid hooker, and looks don't matter. For sure exceptionally ugly girls, do sometimes last, and do get customers. I assume they must be giving exceptional service, and that maybe all that some customers want. However Sharks turn over is high. Many girls try it but cannot make money..

I think the right explanation could be that the business model of the club is to live from the entry fees coming from girls and mongers. The clubs don't care if the girls are earning money or not only important for them is to get the entry fees.

[Syzygies]

Many girls below that 7 mark seems to sometimes have a very hard time earning enough for entry fee. Which makes me question the validitiy of that whole entry fee for girls idea. I have never done a 6 and below at an FKK either. But to me, about half the girls I see are 6 and below. So something is wrong.

What percentage of girls make it to 7 or more? A lot can get a 7 or more for the body, but much less make it for the face. A 9 girl is seriously scarce. I see a lot more pretty faces on the street in France or even in England (ignoring the fatties).

When a club has too many girls, there has to be a deterrent to keep out girls who can't make any money. That method seems to be the entry fee. I have not heard of the club screening girls, and saying some cannot work because they are just too fat or too ugly. I maybe wrong. However it seemed that Sharks would accept most girls.

In other countries, brothels may kick out girls that seem to be generally very low rated, to improve their overall standard and image.

Girls maybe deluding themselves at first, thinking that any girl can be a well paid hooker, and looks don't matter. For sure exceptionally ugly girls, do sometimes last, and do get customers. I assume they must be giving exceptional service, and that maybe all that some customers want. However Sharks turn over is high. Many girls try it but cannot make money. They don't the base of regular customers.

Many customers like a club to have too many girls, however I dislike it on the grounds that girls are getting too stressed by lack of customers. I will choose the ones that seem like they can relax and have fun (and are good looking).

Without an entry fee, the club would be absolutely flooded with undesirable girls, and we don't want that. Perhaps it already is a bit over stocked with very ordinary looking girls and too few stunners. The whole market is in decline.

So the club should be raising entry fees in order reduce girl numbers and decreasing the entry fee to increase girl numbers. For the popular girls, the exact entry price won't be the most important factor in choosing the club to work in. More likely to be: Where do the rules of the club suit her, and where does she get the best customers, how far to travel?

[PokerWiesBaden]

Many girls below that 7 mark seems to sometimes have a very hard time earning enough for entry fee. Which makes me question the validitiy of that whole entry fee for girls idea....

Really? 100€ or so entry fee for girls.

I see girls don't get any room for the hole day.

And some girl start working at 9 pm?

The girls also have follow so many club rules, and the most girls fear to get kicked out.

Without the girls, They can shut down the club. Right?

[Sirioja]

Of course a 9 or 10 can take advantage of her appearance. I pay more for her than for a 7. And girls below that I don't even fuck for free. Very simple.

This standard 30 minutes for 50 euro discussion bores me the last years.

But who are your 9 or 10 for beauty, girls at Sharks at the moment? Or at Oase? Emma. De Oceans is 9 for me.

Megan brunette was the prettiest for me, I would rate her 9. Katalina, Karin and Rena were the others very pretty. But I preferred to go with Ariana, rather than with Karin the body, even was lovely, but not so sweet GF in room.

Katalina by far the classiest, Ilka second for class.

Roberta. Ro for hot girl smelling sex.

[Pistons]

Many girls below that 7 mark seems to sometimes have a very hard time earning enough for entry fee. Which makes me question the validitiy of that whole entry fee for girls idea. I have never done a 6 and below at an FKK either. But to me, about half the girls I see are 6 and below. So something is wrong. But I guess they do get someone. However other guys I know fucks girls who are 6's to me and claim these very same girls are 8's or even 9s. So a girl I would say is a 9 could very well be rated 7 by someone else... and by that metric the idea of upselling based on optics is what I was referring to as ymmw, and leaning towards abuse. Loosing that same integrity, as I doubt there is anything such as objective beauty. But it would be cool to see average rating on some famous fkk girls here among the forum members. Only worry is that the girls in question with the highest score could use hat against us, lol

And after all, a repeating customer is worth much more than a fly by.

And then you have guys going for the ass girls (perhaps I am a little bit of this as the most important attribute on a girl, but normally it has absolutely nothing to do with the personality or beauty of the girl. Just that it has been taken care of well), some goes for the leg girls, some goes for the face, some are tit lovers etc etc, and we all have different specs regarding natural/fake. Some likes tall girls. Others like short. Some like brunettes, others like blondes. Some guys are into ebony, while others like asians etc etc...

[Craiova]

Of course a 9 or 10 can take advantage of her appearance. I pay more for her than for a 7. And girls below that I don't even fuck for free. Very simple.

This standard 30 minutes for 50 euro discussion bores me the last years.

[Pistons]

I am not saying they are ugly, I am not dumping on them, but objectively they are both not in the TOP 10 of Sharks re optics. I was not talkint service, friendliness or special extras.

HB.

So who makes out your objective top10 Sharks optic throughout the past lets say 12 months?

Craiova: ymmv. The problem is when the top 9 or 10s are the ones upselling. It gives the impression of them taking advantage of something and at the same time either not liking what they do, or who they go with. However when you are the one to take charge and ask for more, then good on you... and your chemistry may very well improve. I think it all relates to the same integrity stuff I've talked about before. However, some clubs have been stagnante on pricing for too long, and for the good of the atmosphere in the fkk clubs as a whole, small incremental price increases needs to be made... like 5 or even 10e at some clubs that has been stagnant for 5+ years...

[Sirioja]

Agree with you, but "best of both" is what we are all ultimately looking for, my guess at least. And there are still 9-10's out there with excetptional service, just have to find them.

HB.

Where are these top beauties highly performing? At Sharks? Oase? World? Yes for Lorena at History, Kate and Isabella at Globe, sexy lady at LR, Madeleine at GT. Yes for Danny and Raïssa at Atlanta, but only pretty, not top beauties. But at least, I have 6 dreamed girls with Kate Aca.

[Sirioja]

OK, you don't want to get it but keep on blabbering your usual chitchat. It was not about service or how busy a girl is, you stated you go with the prettiest girls in the club only and that Sharks is quantity over quality these days (which is true by the way). Still you are going with girls who I objectively wouldn't put in that category, still they are nice looking girls.

HB.

Each one his tastes of course and my writings are only about my tastes and experiences. From her arrival from Mainhattan on November 2015 to our last room on November 2016, Megan 2015/2016 was the prettiest for me at Sharks and she still has her beautiful eyes and smile. Of course, Sandra or Mandy or Aylice or Ariana are not so pretty, but I don't regret any room with them. I could even try again with Ariana on July, but I usually prefer not to repeat when finished with my regulars, but may happen with always lovely Sandra. I don t plan to go to Mainhattan, but would be interesting to meet Ariana to speak about Sharks. Same at World, to speak with Raïssa if there.

I m more interested by beauty, sensuality and class, rather than just sex performances.

Of course, because for me Sharks offer good club services with some good rooms and chalets which worth to enjoy beauties, just have to wish for new beauties. Unfortunately, even I never experienced upselling, some girls seem to fall into fucking tourists behavior, asking for extra for more than Turkish suck and fuck. At Aca or LR, no upselling, only lovely GF. Fast finishing with others, busy Kate, used 3 condoms to try to give me pleasure on Saturday when my mind was still at LR, a real pleasure to experience what a girl can do for you, only for 80. No words for my sexy lady behavior on Sunday, just to enjoy she chose me when she was waited and busy, and such behavior really deserves my faith. Sexy and great performer Miranda can't compete.

FKK land is not only Sharks, not so many beauties in this land, but can find a few, for my pleasure.