FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[Pistons]

Did the Cost of Living and / or Average Income increase by 33% in last 15 years in Germany?

https://tradingeconomics.com/germany...rice-index-cpi

Strange dip there a few years ago, but looks like maybe +12% or so. Which is crazy low, and answers why the euro is so strong even with its zero central bank interest rate.

Regarding the Thai quadrupling over the past 20 years. I honestly don't have info on Thailand prior to 2008 when I was there for my first time and hooked up with two hookers on vacation as they told me, and didn't pay a penny. But the boom seen in China in particular over the past 20 years, with their official no p6 policy at home. Something which has been taken more seriously in the past 6-7 years certainly has something to do with it. Japan is also crazy expensive in regards to this hobby for some reason, and the spill over effect from there now that flight cost dramatically fell, was a certainty. I suppose this is also part of the reason we find Asian hunting among the WG's to be more and more common.

But one thing to keep in mind. Chinese rate girls by nationality. In saunas in China / Macau, they put a pricetag on girls depending on nationality. And the more girls a certain nationality has, the lower the price. At least that is one way of analyzing it.

Now I haven't been in Asia for 4 years now, but I think soon prices there will normalize too now that the Chinese housing market collapses. And all the other domino pieces across Asia goes down with it. The spill over effects will heavily hit the Thai bath, which is mainly a tourism driven currency.

[Gino02]

For cheap sex, you know Dietzenbach close to Sharks. When Switzerland is on average not anymore higher level for looks even much more expensive, when my Russian escorts in Paris are not always prettier and higher level, if I find a FKK beauty who wants to behave like a GF in bed for me, then I will be very happy to spend 100 on her to enjoy her for 1 hour, what is my time standard in Germany and a good rate for a tramp like me who sleep in his car he loves so much, under bridge at Wellcum. I hate grocery for sex, kill my desire, high level girls don't speak about money. But most difficult is to find beauties with charm, then I will do the job to deserve from her.

Well, for me it's not only about the money I'm spending, it's also about respecting the culture and local practices that our so nice German friends have built over the decades. I hate to be part of an act of breaking the German FKK system and then we all will end up like what we have in USA or even in your home country France. If simply paying more could solve the problems of poor mongering options, then countries like USA, Canada, France, England or even Romania or Bulgaria would be our sex travel destinations; even you could stay in France avoiding thousands of kilometers driving or sleeping in your car under a bridge. Paying more to these WGs actually destroys (or prevents to flourish) the pay-sex markets, both for the sellers and the buyers; just look around the world and you will see so many examples of that.

[Sirioja]

Sorry Ortos but I disagree with this. Of course I can find in every Frankfurt big5 club a new girl for me that gives me an old school 30 minutes session for 50 euro. But sorry these girls usually don't interest me. Usually I'm glad I find one new interesting girl, and than I don't bargain with this girl about 50 euro. I want the best sex from this girl and no price discussion or reduced service level.

And be honest to yourself. You know Oase for a very, very long time. You know old top girls like Steffi, Judith, Linda F and more. Do girls on this level still work in the Frankfurt big5 clubs? My answer is 100% No. And why? Because they can't earn enough according her real value. Therefore girls at this level usually don't work anymore in German FKK clubs because earnings are too low.

No increase for the standard sex rate in Germany for more than 20 years. That's ridiculous, for instance pay sex prices in Thailand now at least for times as high as 20 years ago.

But at Germany pay6 sex prices should stay at the same level for ever despite the fact that the working cost for the girls get higher and higher every year..

Of course I m not so old in FKK land and I heard a lot about about the cheap who want everything for only 50 who don't interest girls as they say when they leave Sharks, but, and I m not into CIM or anal extra, and I hate Arabian market talk, I don't agree to repeat with girls who are more expensive than 100/ h. I had top beauties and in bed for me for 100/ h or 150 for 1 h30 , legendary top chic and elegance, super GF in bed Katalina for 200 for 2 hours and 2 rounds. I can be the best tip guy, driving a lot to repeat weekly and no one can compete on this, or just a one shot and no repeat. 100/ h for GFE sex like at home is my good rate in Germany, even 80 at Gold, 140 in Austria, Globe casting don't worth the rate now. Only 1 great discovery at Freubad. Ch on this Summer.

[Gino02]

Sorry Ortos but I disagree with this. Of course I can find in every Frankfurt big5 club a new girl for me that gives me an old school 30 minutes session for 50 euro. But sorry these girls usually don't interest me. Usually I'm glad I find one new interesting girl, and than I don't bargain with this girl about 50 euro. I want the best sex from this girl and no price discussion or reduced service level.

And be honest to yourself. You know Oase for a very, very long time. You know old top girls like Steffi, Judith, Linda F and more. Do girls on this level still work in the Frankfurt big5 clubs? My answer is 100% No. And why? Because they can't earn enough according her real value. Therefore girls at this level usually don't work anymore in German FKK clubs because earnings are too low.

No increase for the standard sex rate in Germany for more than 20 years. That's ridiculous, for instance pay sex prices in Thailand now at least for times as high as 20 years ago.

But at Germany pay6 sex prices should stay at the same level for ever despite the fact that the working cost for the girls get higher and higher every year.

Go on guys with your 50 euro 30 minutes session according old school. With this policy very soon no top class girl will work anymore in Germany, especially with this registeration law. Meanwhile most top class girls prefer working in other countries with better earnings possibilities.

I have stopped with this 50 euro policy already some years ago. This week I had a top class session at a Frankfurt big 5 club, I was 60 minutes with her in room, according price system around 15 years ago that would cost me 150 Euro, the girl and I agreed on 200 Euro, that was fine for both of us. I received top service, the girl received the agreed money. She knows I will repeat with her and I know I will get also next time top class service for 50 euro more than old price system. For me a fair deal for both in 2019.

Did the Cost of Living and / or Average Income increase by 33% in last 15 years in Germany?

[ExpatLover]

All of my visits to FKKs, and I have had only one unpleasant anal experience, and it was not nearly as bad as you describe. Was a Colombian girl who used to work at Oase. That leaves me believing that given how many FKK girls I have butt fucked over the years, I've got to think that the overwhelming majority of the girls who provide anal service have to be preparing themselves. I mean I just can't believe my good fortunes have all been due to pure luck. If I, a prolific cornholer of tutes, had been experiencing anything like what you write, then I would not like anal at all, and never would have become "The Cane" LOL!

May be you are right, but technically it is difficult for them to prepare the things just because they don t know when they will do it, after they are eating, drinking. Sometimes I had 10 times anal with the same girl and never had any problem but having a little bit [CodeWord116] on the condom is quite common. I don t believe that doing a kind of small enema every day for the girls is possible without having some health issues. I am also mongering a lot in China with no pro girls and it is also very common to get it but I think this is more link to their food habits, a lot of vegetables.

[Pistons]

Go on guys with your 50 euro 30 minutes session according old school. With this policy very soon no top class girl will work anymore in Germany, especially with this registeration law. Meanwhile most top class girls prefer working in other countries with better earnings possibilities.

I have stopped with this 50 euro policy already some years ago. This week I had a top class session at a Frankfurt big 5 club, I was 60 minutes with her in room, according price system around 15 years ago that would cost me 150 Euro, the girl and I agreed on 200 Euro, that was fine for both of us. I received top service, the girl received the agreed money. She knows I will repeat with her and I know I will get also next time top class service for 50 euro more than old price system. For me a fair deal for both in 2019.

I do agree prices should go up a little bit. Say +10 or 20 e. But you are advocating for this ridiculous 50 e increase in one go. Something which makes absolutely zero sense in any sane world (or mind).

The registration law is also hardly a big issue. It hasn't stopped girls from working in say Austria. But as you say, the 50 e base price is lower in Germany, and that may be a factor.

Thankfully, the higher prices where I live gets us hot girls who otherwise might have ended up in Germany. But even here, the rate varies between 100-150 e for the 30 min. And the 2nd half hour goes for 50-100 e. So it is never +100%. Also no entry fees since it is all apartments, and probably over the quality girls are from outside of EU. Mainly Russia / Ukraine / Moldova. So the Romanians get competition. But the 40-45 year olds who has always been the majority of the overall market here are now mainly Romanian. While 10-15 years ago, they were mainly Russian. So things change.

But your 200 e for 60 min for the girl, plus at least 50 e entry for the club makes it more expensive than the most expensive girls around here. And I don't see that happening. I suppose you took an extra there, but still.

[Craiova]

This is as clear example of "Fake News" as I've seen in many moons. The pricing has NOT changed. But some of the posting here has.

Enough said.

Sorry Ortos but I disagree with this. Of course I can find in every Frankfurt big5 club a new girl for me that gives me an old school 30 minutes session for 50 euro. But sorry these girls usually don't interest me. Usually I'm glad I find one new interesting girl, and than I don't bargain with this girl about 50 euro. I want the best sex from this girl and no price discussion or reduced service level.

And be honest to yourself. You know Oase for a very, very long time. You know old top girls like Steffi, Judith, Linda F and more. Do girls on this level still work in the Frankfurt big5 clubs? My answer is 100% No. And why? Because they can't earn enough according her real value. Therefore girls at this level usually don't work anymore in German FKK clubs because earnings are too low.

No increase for the standard sex rate in Germany for more than 20 years. That's ridiculous, for instance pay sex prices in Thailand now at least for times as high as 20 years ago.

But at Germany pay6 sex prices should stay at the same level for ever despite the fact that the working cost for the girls get higher and higher every year.

Go on guys with your 50 euro 30 minutes session according old school. With this policy very soon no top class girl will work anymore in Germany, especially with this registeration law. Meanwhile most top class girls prefer working in other countries with better earnings possibilities.

I have stopped with this 50 euro policy already some years ago. This week I had a top class session at a Frankfurt big 5 club, I was 60 minutes with her in room, according price system around 15 years ago that would cost me 150 Euro, the girl and I agreed on 200 Euro, that was fine for both of us. I received top service, the girl received the agreed money. She knows I will repeat with her and I know I will get also next time top class service for 50 euro more than old price system. For me a fair deal for both in 2019.

[Sirioja]

The way some of the posters here are supporting, some even promoting, increase of pricing for well established standard German FKK services, feels like they are not even customers, rather WGs with fake handles or the managers (pimps) of the WGs.

On the other hand, I'm going to try a different approach in my next visit. We all know that even the hottest and most popular WGs are also complaining many times (though not always) that business is down and they are not making as much as they used to months or years back. Next time any WG who I like complains that she didn't make enough that day, I will ask her to reduce price to get my business, typical market/spot pricing model, with maybe some volume discount for multiple hours if I want to continue. That will be win-win for both the seller and the buyer. Simple!

For cheap sex, you know Dietzenbach close to Sharks. When Switzerland is on average not anymore higher level for looks even much more expensive, when my Russian escorts in Paris are not always prettier and higher level, if I find a FKK beauty who wants to behave like a GF in bed for me, then I will be very happy to spend 100 on her to enjoy her for 1 hour, what is my time standard in Germany and a good rate for a tramp like me who sleep in his car he loves so much, under bridge at Wellcum. I hate grocery for sex, kill my desire, high level girls don't speak about money. But most difficult is to find beauties with charm, then I will do the job to deserve from her.

[The Cane]

Had many times anal, and I don't believe the girls prepare for it, how many times I had a lot of shit on the condom even the last time I had anal at Oase in the room under the relax area, no window, poor ventilation and the girl who name starts with A had even pooped a lot so a lot of. On the sofa left to the door, on the floor and the smell was just terrible after that I decided to never have anal in any FKK. Better to do it with escort at least for me.

All of my visits to FKKs, and I have had only one unpleasant anal experience, and it was not nearly as bad as you describe. Was a Colombian girl who used to work at Oase. That leaves me believing that given how many FKK girls I have butt fucked over the years, I've got to think that the overwhelming majority of the girls who provide anal service have to be preparing themselves. I mean I just can't believe my good fortunes have all been due to pure luck. If I, a prolific cornholer of tutes, had been experiencing anything like what you write, then I would not like anal at all, and never would have become "The Cane" LOL!

[Der Auslander]

Latest information of the management: The completion of the project will take longer than until 22.08.

Any more news with regard to these renovations? Have they completed yet? I will be in Frankfurt next week and might drop into Sharks if the place has returned to some normality.

[Downandup]

6 visits and 15+ sessions at Oase and 1 visit and 2 sessions at Sharks in the last four weeks. And zero upselling!

I could only get €100 sessions at Sharks last April.

[Der Auslander]

It is perhaps quite apt that this happens to be my 1000th post - and many of them in FKK forums... I hope the pricing models dont change so that I am still posting in FKK forums on my 2000th post.

Well done PayForIt! Many thanks for all the great posts and specially for all the great club reports!

[Shark16]

Can I also add that I have not experienced any unusual pricing in any recent trip to this club. Certainly nothing like that indicated in a recent post.

6 visits and 15+ sessions at Oase and 1 visit and 2 sessions at Sharks in the last four weeks. And zero upselling!

Too many fake handles around here. ISG is infested by pimps, girls, and the mentally ill. Genuine firsttimers be aware.

[Shark16]

I agree with much of what you wrote. Now, because I am an "anal connoisseur", I often pay 200 euros or more for a session. But, the day another 100 euros becomes attached to that as a part of base pricing, then yes I am out.

"Anal connoisseurs" have nothing to worry about when visiting the Germany FKK scene. The girls will be happy to go with you as you will be regarded as a good payer. Thus; you will also experience less fuss than the "cheap Charlie" max 50 E guy. Even in upselling places like Palace.

Of course you know this, but I nevertheless mention it for the firsttimers to the Germany FKK Club scene: "Anal" is not a standard service that every girl will provide. But it has a fixed extra price of 100 E (50 E in the NRW) per session. Just ask any girl for this service. If she will not partake herself, then she will immediately find two of her friends for you.

Anyways, my personal feeling is that "anal" as a service is much more prevalent now than it was 10- 15 years ago. Again, "anal connoisseurs" have nothing to worry about.

[Der Auslander]

The pricing has NOT changed. But some of the posting here has.

Well said as per usual Ortos. I think controversial statements / reports regarding rip-off pricing in FKK Sharks or FKK Oase or indeed any controversial reporting can only be taken seriously if reported on by an ISG member in good standing. In other words a member who has a reporting history stretching back years (without any suspicious gaps / breaks) and not new to the board in the last 12 to 18 months. That's the way I look at any reports on ISG Germany FKK Clubs and particularly controversial reports. Obviously if The Cane, Sirioja, PayForIt or indeed your good self were to make such a statement about rip off pricing in Sharks, I would pay great attention but anyone else who falls outside the ISG Member in good standing category, I don't think I would pay much (any) attention at all. Sorry, I don't mean to offend any one. Just too much shall we say "leg-pulling" going on for me to take a much different attitude. I really believe in encouraging genuine new members on this Board as can be seen by my recent inclusion of BrownFish1234 in the Reports of Distinction Thread. A great report from a genuine new member who wants to contribute to this forum.

I think its not only important to encourage genuine new members but also to respect senior members who have been posting/reporting on this board for years (without strange breaks etc) and who have helped build this board with solid behaviour, solid posts and reports. Handles with a few months or even a year or two on this board are in no way equivalent to these senior members such as the names given as examples above.

Can I also add that I have not experienced any unusual pricing in any recent trip to this club. Certainly nothing like that indicated in a recent post.