FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[MikeMark]

Day3:

Rainy Afternoon in Frankfurt. Walk across the street to the train station around 2:00 PM and catch the train for Fredrichsdorf (9.50 Euros are / T) and away I go. There is a train every half hour going and coming till 1:00 AM. Arrive at 2:30 PM, show a cab driver the address written on a paper. He smiles and gives me the thumbs up. 20 Minutes later we pull up to a palace built in the middle of farmland Germany. I pay him 10 euros. He smiles and says "it's gut" with another thumbs up.

This place has the same setup as Mainhattan FKK. Towel, bathrobe, slippers, wristband and a wristkey that opens a small lobby locker and a locker in the mens room for your clothes. I arrive early Thursday afternoon and its 50 Euros for the whole shooting match. What a deal. While paying the girl at the front desk. I can see into the first room and the 6-7 girls I can already see are spectacular.

I put my cellphone and wallet in little locker. Change into my towel and slippers and head to the main room where I am immediately set upon by a 6'2" skinny German blond in a leopard dress with the nipples and crotch cut out of her dress. She is spectacular. She speaks English and gives me a tour of the facility. In the fall and winter. The common areas are basically restricted to three areas I. E. The main room with bar, porno movie area and open dance area with stripper pole in the middle. Another turn and you are in a bar area and off to the side is the dining area. It is a pity it is cold because there is an outdoor area that would be clearly fun for outdoor activities in the summer.

The price structure is essentially the same: 50 Euros for a half hour of suck and fuck with one girl. Everything else is an upgrade usually escalating in price by 50 Euros for various fetishes, activities and time.

So here is the rundown of my activities:

I take the Amazon 23 YO tall thin German Blond back for a 50 Euro warm-up. Simply because she was good looking and took the time to show me around the place. The sex is standard fare. Though her BBBJ was an 8 on my blow job scale. I cum on her tits and face because if you shoot a load in her mouth. Another 50 Euros. Not really worth it. But she's very good looking and the cum dripping off her glasses was a great visual:-the.

I hit the bar and I'm joined by 3 Israeli guys in their late 40's who are taking turns fucking this gorgeous 28 YO Romanian Blond. Every half hour one of them comes out and she drags another one back to the private room with her. They say she is excellent and likes to get fucked in the ass. One guy Avi tells me the girls here are spectacular looking but whatever I do. Not to miss FKK Sharks.

Its now 5 PM and everything stops as 30 gorgeous girls queue up for dinner. There is literally a wave of gorgeous tits and pussy lining up for dinner and dragging me and the Israeli crew with them. We sit with 4 20-22 YO Romanian girls who are simply stunning all 8's and 9's. I'm now throwing down the Jack Daniels and little head is completely taking over. Raina and Irana from Bucharest 2 gorgeous 20 YO's both blond, both natural see-cups, drag me to the private room for an hour. Its totally nuts as I get blown by one while the other is licking the others pussy. Its just body fluids everywhere. I fuck them both. And then finish the hour with them trading my cock between their mouths. With Raina finally jerking Junior off all over Irana's Face. Another great visual. I exit and pay them both 150 Euros for the hour. They are ecstatic and I get kissed all over in the lobby.

I'm beat now. About 8 PM I run into the Thai masseuse and head for one of the best massages I've ever had. It was great and I'm ready for one more.

I'm ready to head out and I see this gorgeous 19 YO Moldavian girl with perfect puffy nipple natural see-cups. She is a total 10 and if she lived in the US she'd be commanding $500+ in NYC. To make a long story short. I take her back and give her a 50 Euro fucking for a half hour. But honestly, I'm running on fumes. And I nut one drop even though I'm loaded up with Cialis. The dick is willing but I'm out of gas.

Its 10:30 PM. I'm full, I'm half drunk and I don't have a drop of jizz left in my balls.

A last note. This place is incredible. Frankly the worst looking girl here was a 7 and that was because she was 30 YO and had fake cans. I don't think I've seen so many 9's and 10's in one spot in my life. Until.

[Sirioja]

I have always wondered why Isabella was so pathetic in the room when I tried her at Sharks. Perhaps had some reason not to like me, but very few girls ever have been so poor. I cancelled session after about 15 minutes. She clearly did not want me as a customer, yet most others did. Chemistry was obviously shit. I think I was not the only one reporting pathetic performance though. She did not seem to get many regular customers at that time, and seemed very disinterested. Laura / Livia was a little less pathetic but was clearly dick scared when tried her. She wanted to do BBBJ only. LOL.

We met many same girls at Oase, World, or Sharks, so it was nothing about you, but Isabella is Isabella. Now, she is more woman and understood she is lucky to work at Globe and can't behave in same way, but she refused to go with so many guys. When I first met her on February 2014 at Sharks, with Laura / Livia, they proposed me a threesome, saying they were Italian sisters. After our first room, she never proposed me again to go with her "sister" , she became my weekly regular, when I didn't repeat with Roxana, Cosmina, Dina. She gave me a great birthday. When she moved to World on end of April, many guys came to me when they saw us, to ask about her. As she was not busy, I answered I like her, but when they went to her, she refused to go with so many. I laugh when I read about Anja who went with anybody for only 50, when I asked Isabella why she refused when she said she didn't have good business, she answered: I don't like his face, or he is too old, or too fat, and she preferred to stay not making money than going to room with them. Once she said to me: stop sending me guys, I don't want you say what we do, or I don't go anymore with you. We were like dog and cat, but it was great in room. On mid June 2014, she got an Italian regular and said I exhausted her, so I stopped. On July, she disappeared and no more messages. She went to Andiamo. On beginning of July 2016, when I went to Globe for Kate, I saw a so pretty blond, but I didn't go to her because I went only for Kate. When we came back from room, I saw this beautiful blond coming straight to me smiling, but I didn't recognize her because of her new woman look. I answered I need to recover because I didn't want to go with her, she said: I know you were with the brunette, she told me about my job and my passions, same than blond Liz. De ex Artemis did on Summer 2015, but I couldn't recognize both, Liz because getting weight and Isabella because no more student look, no more glasses, a real woman look. I went to her later, Kate said on October becoming jealous, and more 2 weeks ago when she understood we keep in contact even when Isabella is off in Romania. Had more than 20 rooms, some 2 hours rooms for 560 €, with Isabella who really improved to high level and potential for GF illusion and high sporty sex. With her natural beauty, she doesn't need to make up or to shave on day, for Globe control, she will be my first Christmas present, I can't resist to her messages with plenty of little hearts. Soon 3 years.

[JohnEllee]

Yes, at GT or LR, you could have a girl for 4 hours for 225 . At Samya, 4 hours for 300......

Currently, at GT or LR, the standard rate is 50 euros per 30 min in room with a girl. So for 4 hours in room should be 400 euros. Unless some girls voluntarily give you discount, it couldn't be 225 for 4 HR. At Samya four hours room would cost you 400 euro since September.

[Checkers1]

Anja will return at some point. They all do.

She left to go to small Worms on Summer when she could go to Globe where girls had good business on last Summer, she left again now. Even she is a really friendly girl who deserves to be known, not only judged about her behavior turning around, she worth better than this, same for Ada, but Anja is really not clever to get business and even she was one of the prettiest, she was not busy even before Summer when there were not 999 girls, so she left again. She seems more used to fast sex or CIM to try to make fast 100 , or playing biting or fighting like children for longer room, than GF behavior. Ada understood faster, on first room, about GF behavior.

Wait and see for Anja, at Globe or on the moon? With her bad tattoo, not sure she gets the best advices around her and not a good point for Globe, but I will know fast, Kate returned to enjoy her so cute life at home, better than sucking dicks in public, and as soon she started, Isabella asked me when I come to kiss her everywhere, so I can manage out of jealousy now, to enjoy.

[Sirioja]

An interesting analysis. I don't think girls make as much as some believe they do. In my experience, I have met quite a few girls who I spend a long time in a room with but I only pay a standard 100-200 euro. For someone who didn't know they may think that girl made 400-500 euro from me but they didn't.

Yes, at GT or LR, you could have a girl for 4 hours for 225 €. At Samya, 4 hours for 300. But in Hessen, did you have attractive girls for 4 hours in room for 100 or 200?

But I really wish some girls can make enough money they need, I hope money made is only for them, not for pimp. But I also often saw really nice girls like Selena, or beauty like Stefi, waiting all day. Even fresh body and mind, smiling cute face with friendly behavior Hungarian Mersi couldn't get business at big Sharks, same for beautiful tits Anja. And Winter is coming, even with winter tires, Germans are stopped in first gear on autobahns.

[Banana Boi]

40 rooms * 17 hours * 100 EUR = 68000 EUR per day.

If above amount were evenly distributed among 200 girls in attendance, then the average gross earnings per girl would be 340 EUR.

My point was that a room does not always result in 100 EUR worth of transactions per hour. From 11 AM-2 PM, maybe only 2-4 couples will use that room. But from 8 PM-11 PM, you might see 8-10 couples utilize that room. Cleaning the room only takes two minutes, and it does not happen after each couple leaves. Most customers don't use the max slotted time that they paid for.

An interesting analysis. I don't think girls make as much as some believe they do. In my experience, I have met quite a few girls who I spend a long time in a room with but I only pay a standard 100-200 euro. For someone who didn't know they may think that girl made 400-500 euro from me but they didn't.

[Syzygies]

I was commenting on the clever formula proposed by Siri: Take the total money transactions for the entire day then divide by number of girls in attendance for that day.

40 rooms * 17 hours * 100 EUR = 68000 EUR per day.

If above amount were evenly distributed among 200 girls in attendance, then the average gross earnings per girl would be 340 EUR.

My point was that a room does not always result in 100 EUR worth of transactions per hour. From 11 AM-2 PM, maybe only 2-4 couples will use that room. But from 8 PM-11 PM, you might see 8-10 couples utilize that room. Cleaning the room only takes two minutes, and it does not happen after each couple leaves. Most customers don't use the max slotted time that they paid for.

Your point was far too subtle for me to catch on. LOL. I did not pick up that the room itself was capable of making 150 Euros per hour (without the help of the girl). LOL Was a bit too much lateral thinking for my poor brain.

Most guys misuse the term "rooms" in posts, like a guy booked the girl for x number of "rooms" rather than quote a money figure, so it did not dawn on me you could be using it correctly.

I must admit that I may have used room for only 50 mins out of 1 hour on occasion since I have no watch and may have used 75 mins out of a 90 min slot, even more wastage, but I don't have much handle on frequency of guys only 15 mins in a room. That is a cancel type session for me that goes just 15 mins and is very uncommon. LOL We must also consider the case where the guy thought he was only 30 mins max in the room but girl insists he went 35 mins and has to pay for 60 mins, and she got a CIM bonus to boot, generating 150 Euros in only 35 mins or less of room usage. So we need to factor in extra earnings due to the scamming factor be it time scamming or unwanted services billed.

[McAdonis]

Probably many girls do 15 minute rooms for 50. Or 45 minutes per 100. Guys tend to voluntarily leave after they cum. If so, a room could generate 150 EUR per hour.

I was commenting on the clever formula proposed by Siri: Take the total money transactions for the entire day then divide by number of girls in attendance for that day.

40 rooms * 17 hours * 100 EUR = 68000 EUR per day.

If above amount were evenly distributed among 200 girls in attendance, then the average gross earnings per girl would be 340 EUR.

My point was that a room does not always result in 100 EUR worth of transactions per hour. From 11 AM-2 PM, maybe only 2-4 couples will use that room. But from 8 PM-11 PM, you might see 8-10 couples utilize that room. Cleaning the room only takes two minutes, and it does not happen after each couple leaves. Most customers don't use the max slotted time that they paid for.

[Sirioja]

In conclusion your figures are more or less the same than my figures, 6 sessions 900 euros, some girls do more sessions than that, and the 2000 or 3000 euros per day is really for the top top girls and during fair time in Frankfurt, we should not forget that many foreigners are not paying 50 euros for 30 minutes.

As you are a World regular, if you knew Madi, I think most of those who knew her and even I criticized her changing behavior becoming too talkative, but I don t think we can find many classy beauties and GF behavior like her in whole Germany and I can also add at Globe, Wellcum and Andiamo. At, YY and Sixsens. She would be a top girl everywhere, even among Russian escorts in Paris. I don t believe about 200 girls at Sharks with only 40 rooms, but I can mistake, I don't get the truth, but which girls at Sharks at the moment can compete with her for beauty and GFE level? For my tastes, Megan for beauty, but I don t know any one for sensual level, maybe Agnes out of smoking.

As I met Madi a few times during 1 year, on January 2015 when Kitzbühel and Wengen, I drove to World twice after job on Wednesday evening, arriving about 10/10. 30 pm, she had only 2 rooms with me on these 2 nights, so she got 200 but had to pay entry, 90 at this time on week days. Usually, nearly every week end, I came to her on Saturday, we had 2 or 3 rooms, some Saturdays she had no other room, sometimes only 1 or 2 other rooms, most of time for fast 30 mn, when she did really worth to take time to enjoy her. That was a top class girl business at World, 110 € for her for 10 hours working or about 300/400 on Saturday after paying entry, maybe 4000/5000 per month, I was often sad for her, I advised guys to go to meet her, fortunately she lived close and didn't need taxi, but when she was asked to work 5 days a week by management, better for her to retire at 31 yo.

If girls could really make more than 1000 a day, we would have many pretty Russian girls in FKK.

Business level is on Romanian level of life, that's why 90% girls are Romanian and we are lucky to meet them.

[Sirioja]

Those who really know me, would understand, please don't name her, but one of my regular is used to make 3 10/15 mn rooms with one smoking time in 1 hour. I have 1 hour rooms with her, taking all my time and no problem about hygiene with her. She is just a sex Terminator able some Saturdays to have more than 20 rooms.

[Sirioja]

She is badly missed at Sharks. Hope she comes back soon.

She left to go to small Worms on Summer when she could go to Globe where girls had good business on last Summer, she left again now. Even she is a really friendly girl who deserves to be known, not only judged about her behavior turning around, she worth better than this, same for Ada, but Anja is really not clever to get business and even she was one of the prettiest, she was not busy even before Summer when there were not 999 girls, so she left again. She seems more used to fast sex or CIM to try to make fast 100 , or playing biting or fighting like children for longer room, than GF behavior. Ada understood faster, on first room, about GF behavior.

Wait and see for Anja, at Globe or on the moon? With her bad tattoo, not sure she gets the best advices around her and not a good point for Globe, but I will know fast, Kate returned to enjoy her so cute life at home, better than sucking dicks in public, and as soon she started, Isabella asked me when I come to kiss her everywhere, so I can manage out of jealousy now, to enjoy.

[Syzygies]

Probably many girls do 15 minute rooms for 50. Or 45 minutes per 100. Guys tend to voluntarily leave after they cum. If so, a room could generate 150 EUR per hour.

Sounds silly. How to Distort 101. Add back minimum 15 minutes down time (for a busy girl. Not likely as low for 15 min session girls) between sessions and room waits. How many girls can average 150 Euros per hour elapsed time (not fuck time)? Virtually none, even selling lots of extras. I doubt busy Evita can manage that, unless a special customer agrees to a super high rate.

Maybe Lena ex Oase could manage 150 per hour in her heyday with continuous bookings all day from opening time and no room waits and getting ass fucked and / or CIM by many customers. An extreme case.

I have to wonder if girls exaggerate their earnings when talking to some customers, so that customer maybe persuaded into a very high price for an extended booking, more than what he should really being paying to be a fair price. Suppose a customer wants to book the girl for the whole day. The price should be little different to what she normally expects to make in a day, unless he is a fucking machine and should be charged more. So girl has an incentive to exaggerate her typical earnings, rather than have us pity her by understating her earnings. LOL.

[Sirioja]

Correct.

Furthermore, the calculation that a girl makes 150 in an hour because guys finish quickly and leave voluntarily before time is up. These type of calculations ignore the significant down time girls have between sessions. I think this is the reason why girls dislike short 30 min sessions. The walk up and down, fetching new bedsheets before session can begin, and then afterwards getting paid, washing and doing makeup touch, and coming back to hunt for the next customer. All of these add up. Can easily take up 15+ min for every 30 min session.

I ask again. The 1000 x 15 to 20 equals 15,000 to 20,000 euro per month. If you seriously believe such numbers, this profession would be attracting a lot more girls from Western Europe and even from places like Hungary, Poland, etc. As it is, other than girls from dirt poor areas of Romania and Bulgaria, not many are finding these levels of income attractive. The average per capita income in Germany is no more than 4 K to 4.5 K per month and that is for all Germans; and 15,000 would put a worker in the very top echelons of income in Germany.

Many 30 mn guys are bang bang fucking, like Turkish, sometimes lasting only 15/20 mn. Some kind of clients are only hugging and chatting for hours, not even kissing and no fucking, some girls are specialists for this business. There are slow clients like me who like long foreplay, kissing, licking everywhere, tasting, drinking bitter juice, caressing, to get chicken skin, hard dark nipples and growing clit. For all this, with about only 15/20 mn fucking, so not much longer than bang bang guys, 1 hour is very short time to enjoy to play such foreplay before sex, when I really enjoy, I often stay 1 h 30, so 100/150 versus 50 for pretty same vagina work, but with more wet and opened vagina after foreplay and probably in softly way.

I know a few girls in Germany, even at Aca where 40/30 mn, who make about 4000/5000 a week, but since beginning of 2013, I never heard a girl in Germany saying about more than 1500 on an exceptional day and it was only on 2013 and 2014. I think girls who make 800/1000 a day in Germany now, have a good business day. It means they were about 8/10 hours in room, so at least 12/14 hours staying in the club and full busy, with time between rooms, time to wait for room like at GT or LR, I like this wait with my girl, thinking about what will happen, also social time to introduce, time for breakfast and diner, time to smoke for most or to have a drink.

Of course a top class, not always for behavior on public sex, but sophisticated look, real woman for behavior and skill, ex Hessen superstar, can make about 4000/5000 from Friday to Sunday, some days can make about 2000 , being usually busy at Globe. For one, She and same for my Isabella, just walk around the pole, no need to dance like Stefie who is very good dancer and also good GFE in room.

[ExpatLover]

These days in Sharks, it is extremely rare for even a super stunner to earn 3000 euros a day, the chance could be once a year!

Per my recent visit of Sharks (November 12), I noticed that several well-known hot girls left club before 1 am. There were at most 12 hours for them staying in club. The pure chargeable time would be 8 hours after deducting overhead time. So the collection money would only be 800 euros without extra for each of these girl, whom were supposed to be very busy.

Here I'd like to give an example to explain the overhead time is actually larger for even a hot girl. I went to room with one such hot girl. I approached to her when she was just available after refresh. In about 10 minutes she finished smoking, we went upstairs around 8 pm. There are 6-7 couples before us. At 8:30 pm we got room. In order to compensate and please her, I extended the secession to 1.5 hours. We finished around 10 pm, she then went back to refresh. I saw her came out around 10:20 pm, and almost immediately an Asian guy came to meet her. They went upstairs around 10:30 pm and started the cycle. I happened to notice that the girl left around 12 am.

So from 7:50 pm to 12 am, the beautiful girl seemed to be with clients all the time, but she only earned 250 euros (apparently the Asian gave her one hour session) in about 4 hours quality time. She started to work around noon as she told me and got four rooms before we met. So I concluded that she earned about 650 - 900 euros in 6 sessions that day. It was Saturday and she stayed in club for about 12 hours.

In conclusion your figures are more or less the same than my figures, 6 sessions 900 euros, some girls do more sessions than that, and the 2000 or 3000 euros per day is really for the top top girls and during fair time in Frankfurt, we should not forget that many foreigners are not paying 50 euros for 30 minutes.

[Member #4581]

Doesn't really matter for calculating girl's income as they are not constantly booked during a 12 h shift. Number of rooms is what matters. If a 60 min session lasts only 45 or 55 min doesn't matter.

HB.

Correct.

Furthermore, the calculation that a girl makes 150 in an hour because guys finish quickly and leave voluntarily before time is up. These type of calculations ignore the significant down time girls have between sessions. I think this is the reason why girls dislike short 30 min sessions. The walk up and down, fetching new bedsheets before session can begin, and then afterwards getting paid, washing and doing makeup touch, and coming back to hunt for the next customer. All of these add up. Can easily take up 15+ min for every 30 min session.

I ask again. The 1000 x 15 to 20 equals 15,000 to 20,000 euro per month. If you seriously believe such numbers, this profession would be attracting a lot more girls from Western Europe and even from places like Hungary, Poland, etc. As it is, other than girls from dirt poor areas of Romania and Bulgaria, not many are finding these levels of income attractive. The average per capita income in Germany is no more than 4 K to 4.5 K per month and that is for all Germans; and 15,000 would put a worker in the very top echelons of income in Germany.