FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[Escape Artist]

Whether it's extortion or not depends on what you're getting for the money and time allotted. For example, I don't think 200 euros for a full hour would be extortion if that included a straight fuck plus anal sex. I would pay that and not feel that I overpaid at all. It all comes down to what you're getting in terms of services for the price and time spent in the room, and there can be lots of different combinations that yield fair value for the monger.

In other words, I don't think that any one price in and of itself is tantamount to extortion. I've always been about fair pay for a fair fuck. And these days, it seems that negotiation skills are more important than ever! We all have our red lines. I don't pay for kissing ever, and I don't pay extra to get a little massage action thrown in. Everyone has different needs. Know what's important to you (and not) and negotiate (friendly and casually) for the best deal. What you think is a deal maybe somebody else may not. Well, these are the breaks!

Extortion was not the most accurate word to use. Price gouge is more accurate but that didn't roll off the tongue like extortion.

Yes, higher price for nonstandard prices is justified but that is not what is being discussed. We are talking about girls doubling the base half hour rate without offering extra services in return. One girl who called herself Rose even asked for 150 e for 30 m good service and 100 e for basic service. Or girls deliberately sabotaging a 150 e hour room, promising only good service for 200 an hour. Or maybe they'll take the 150 e hour but still try to cheat you on time, attempting to end at 40-45 minutes. This happened with my one bad room where she took the room at 3 am knowing that her ride was already there. What a boner killer. The point is, even with paying higher prices, you still are not guaranteed a proper session.

On a somewhat related note, I had a separate issue with Khalid, the masseuse at Sharks. I've known the guy for 8 years and make an appointment or two on every visit. I even took a long 90 minute massage with him the previous week. This time, I asked for a one hour massage and he said it was finished after what seemed to be a rather short massage. I looked at my phone to verify the time I sent a message immediately prior to the massage and indeed it was just half an hour. I asked him a second time to verify if it was one hour and he still said yes. He saw me send the message prior starting so I showed him the time stamp and of course he did not argue.

It's getting ridiculous that even the massage guy is trying to rip people off. Fuck that guy.

Anyway, your 1 hour with Anal will be quoted at least 250 e and perhaps even more once they know you're a client with deep pockets.

[BobNSuzy]

How does one say "hugging and groping"? I want to ask for that before sex. I want to bypass any language barriers. What should that cost?

[Canary]

How can locals help the international guys resist? Would the locals be more willing to help the international guys find the 50 e girls? Or is that unlikely, since if a girl is known as 50 e, her colleagues will pressure her to demand more?

Ultimately, I think the power may be in the hands of the club, just as they used to enforce good conduct by not allowing scammers to work, they can enforce a better rate by not allowing girls who charge too much. In the days after the pandemic, the club may not have had so much power since the girl supply was low, but if more girls come, then maybe they can enforce the 50 e or 75 e rate again.

I've said for a long time that if the club wanted the girls to charge less they could certainly influence them much more than they do now. Yes the club claims the girls work independently which of course they do but they do have more control than they admit. However with high attendance figures for males and females entering the Club they aren't too concerned, a greatly reduced level of admissions would soon see some positive action.

I'm one of the customers who lives outside Germany although I visit the club fairly regularly, between 8-10 times a year. I never pay 150/30 minutes or 200/60 minutes on principle but I do pay 150/60 minutes simply because there are so few girls I've found who charge the old pre pandemic rates. I only know of 4 ladies, not obviously stunners but regards service they are generally excellent. Most international visitors can't find any girls charging these rates so they have little option but to pay the new rates, I'm sure everyone would prefer to pay less in an ideal world.

I agree with many that I don't begrudge an increase for the girls as the cost of living increases have affected us all but 75/30 minutes & 120 or 130 for 60 minutes would be more acceptable.

I can't see a price reduction in general ever happening.

Although we can't name names because the girls would probably receive pressure from the other ladies I would like to know how many ladies other forum members know of who charge lower rates??

[HammerTime96]

For example, I don't think 200 euros for a full hour would be extortion if that included a straight fuck plus anal sex. I would pay that and not feel that I overpaid at all.

Of course not, because that would be the old (pre-2020) rate:

2 x 30 minutes for 50 Euros each: 100 Euros.

1 extra (anal) for: 100 Euros.

Total: 200 Euros.

So yes, I do agree with EA on this one: asking 200 Euros for a simple Fuck & Suck with barely any good kissing is extortion or price gouging, because that's more or less reality on the ground in 2023.

For relevance: what's the last time you were in Sharks?

[The Cane]

Every 100 euro half hour and every 200 euro full hour room contributes to the price extortion that apparently locals are resisting. You international guys do with that observation as you wish.

Whether it's extortion or not depends on what you're getting for the money and time allotted. For example, I don't think 200 euros for a full hour would be extortion if that included a straight fuck plus anal sex. I would pay that and not feel that I overpaid at all. It all comes down to what you're getting in terms of services for the price and time spent in the room, and there can be lots of different combinations that yield fair value for the monger.

In other words, I don't think that any one price in and of itself is tantamount to extortion. I've always been about fair pay for a fair fuck. And these days, it seems that negotiation skills are more important than ever! We all have our red lines. I don't pay for kissing ever, and I don't pay extra to get a little massage action thrown in. Everyone has different needs. Know what's important to you (and not) and negotiate (friendly and casually) for the best deal. What you think is a deal maybe somebody else may not. Well, these are the breaks!

[Jmioffe]

Interesting is that even though I saw significantly more customers compared to the previous week, several girls complained about it being worse than the previous Wednesday. When I asked one girl how she did not make any rooms on a fairly busy night, she said that she doesn't fuck for 50 euro, a common thing girls say a Sharks. But after seeing one guy she just turned down take another girl to a room, she said, "there are 10 new girls everyday, they fuck for nothing". So the customers are pushing back on pricing and apparently the 100 euro half hour has not been universally conceded especially as new talent arrives.

Another note, I've generally defended the the effect of international mongers on pricing but since I noticed the international guys with whom I spoke happily paying the 100 e half hour rate and now hearing the 50 euro push back from the locals, hopefully you other fly-in guys can take note of their example.

Every 100 euro half hour and every 200 euro full hour room contributes to the price extortion that apparently locals are resisting. You international guys do with that observation as you wish.

But full disclosure, this all may be easy for me to say as I was a decently big spender on my visits, taking mostly longer rooms. At Sharks, Zero 30 minute rooms, only 2 one hour rooms, and several rooms for over 90 minutes. But you know what? All but one of my rooms were great rooms and when I averaged it all out, my half hour rate turned out to be 67 e.

Anything but the 100 e rate, so Fight the good fight guys.

This is good news on the 100 e rate being beaten back. I would love for it to return to 50, but I would be fine if things went back to normal with a compromise 75 e rate. Inflation is real after all and happy girls are a good thing for everyone. Guys get laid, girls are making money.

Right now, guys aren't getting laid as much, and the only girls making money are the superstars. There's got to be an economic model for this. Maybe it's like sports: Stars making bank while junior players starving means the game doesn't grow as well and that's worse for the team owners. But maybe it's not exact... while millions can flock to watch Ronaldo at the same time and enjoy his work, the ability of Catalea to do that is not the same.

How will this fight proceed and how do more guys help end the 100 e rate? More girls arriving seems to be one factor. Where are they coming from? Ukraine?

How can locals help the international guys resist? Would the locals be more willing to help the international guys find the 50 e girls? Or is that unlikely, since if a girl is known as 50 e, her colleagues will pressure her to demand more?

Ultimately, I think the power may be in the hands of the club, just as they used to enforce good conduct by not allowing scammers to work, they can enforce a better rate by not allowing girls who charge too much. In the days after the pandemic, the club may not have had so much power since the girl supply was low, but if more girls come, then maybe they can enforce the 50 e or 75 e rate again.

[Sirioja]

If you want a very tall one, Yasmine in Samya / Cologne is 1 m80 as per herself. 2 m with 20 cm heels, she looks like a giant.

Katalea is also close to 1,80 . Kelli ex Palace and Sharks now at Globe is 1,85 , impressive body but a small pussy. Funny some tall can t take a real and hard size and some in 1,60 have much higher vagina potential. Romanians are not the best for vagina potential, peste / pimp may really be asian size.

[Sirioja]

True. Also it doesn't matter one bit as Moldova is Romania, just with a different fancy name. They speak Romanian and you'd be hard pressed to find any difference between them in looks.

It's like saying a girl from Transnistria is not Moldavian, she is Transnistrian. I mean ok maybe technically if you want but as far as look and mentality goes, Romanian = Moldavian = Transnistrian.

Moldavian is from republic of Moldavia which is different than Romania which include a part of past Moldavia.

[SethiatSpace]

Did not see Catalea for the last 2 weeks at least. Brenda is still there but leaves around 8 pm, maybe as late as 10 pm. If she is working she will always be on the left side of the bar close to opening time. In the morning, she will probably be the best body in the club. Would cannot miss her if you arrive early.

Maybe I saw her but since I don't know what she looks like, it's kinda hard. Is it the tallish woman with glasses and a very average face?

So remains to find this damn Catalea who everybody talks about. When she will be back and if I have any idea what she looks like.

[SethiatSpace]

Day 2 at Sharks. And the LU is still very impressive.

Cami.

First session of the day. I looked for her the day before but she was very busy so took first change today. Her English is improving, slowly. She is not yet jaded, so I like it. 130 for 1 h.

Melissa.

Second round and second time I don't manage to get hard with her despite her hot body. Maybe she is not for me. Just ended talking. 100 for 40 min, which I should have probably lowered to 50 as I didn't ask for anything in the end.

At that point I was wondering if I had any juice left in me. And lo and behold, three slim girls show up on my radar. The one I wanted initially disappeared and then.

Zaineb.

Claims to be half-turkish half-romanian. She has a distinct look so it may be. Holy molly what a body. She only had a black bra which got me even more excited. She seemed a bit too serious initially and she is sitting with Melissa as it's her friend. But I waved at her and she came to me. Very cute face, super friendly, didn't try to rush me to a room. I felt the little guy getting ready. Went up to the room and boy her natural tits are a delight. So obviously she doesn't like them and want silicons. Asked to stay one hour, she said 200 but immediately backed down to 150 when I refused. When I asked how old she is, my jaw dropped when she said 31.150 for 1 h.

Diana.

While looking for the first slim girl, I couldn't find her. So I settled on Diana, 25. Fake hard tits but tight body. Friendly enough in the room but that's all I can say.

Valentina.

By now I was completely exhausted but I have been seeing this girl since the early afternoon. And I thought maybe it was the infamous Brenda or Catalea but nope. Valentina is probably the most beautiful girl face-wise in the club (for me). And when she let her hair down, I went speechless. Wow. Her beautiful face is complimented with very full nice tits and ass. But really her face and smile. 100 for 30.

But I'm surprised by the girls. Maybe I haven't unlocked the super secret yet but I often see girls stay with one guy or a group of guys for a long period of time just chatting and laughing, not trying to go in the room. For example Valentina was all over one average dude, smiling constantly, laughing, letting him play with her and even slightly pulling down on her hair and kissing her. At no point he was going to go with her and she didn't seem to mind.

[Escape Artist]

Yeah, she was alright before the Plandemic, but sessions with her have turned very average since I returned to Sharks in spring 2022. Her figure is great, but her face is not pretty at all.

I think most people who hype her, are the ones who can't look beyond those tits and can't objectively rate the very average service she now provides.

Wow! Respect!

That's one of the more sensible things I've read from you in a looooong time!

Here's a little German lesson for you: "Wer es glaubt, wird selig. ".

It means "Whoever believes it, will be saved (I. E. By the Lord)" and is generally used in a sarcastic or cynical way when replying to gullible and naive people and their 'theories.'

Here ya go, more for you to read. BTW covid arguments were a long time ago, might be time to let that animosity go. Release of anger is better for health.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...084&viewfull=1#post2831084.

As for the latter, we'll have to respectfully disagree. Well, respectfully from my end a least.

[HammerTime96]

I have never been fully attracted to Brenda and her Morticia look but went with her to see what the hype was about. It was a little below average session for me. What I got from her was that she was one of the most sensible working girls I've ever met. She has a plan and sticks to it. She spends as much time at home in Romania as she does in the club and thus avoids burnout. She probably invests her money wisely. She is one who will do well in life and is in charge of her life and does not leave that to some pimp.

Yeah, she was alright before the Plandemic, but sessions with her have turned very average since I returned to Sharks in spring 2022. Her figure is great, but her face is not pretty at all.

I think most people who hype her, are the ones who can't look beyond those tits and can't objectively rate the very average service she now provides.

Another note, I've generally defended the the effect of international mongers on pricing but since I noticed the international guys with whom I spoke happily paying the 100 e half hour rate and now hearing the 50 euro push back from the locals, hopefully you other fly-in guys can take note of their example.

Every 100 euro half hour and every 200 euro full hour room contributes to the price extortion that apparently locals are resisting. You international guys do with that observation as you wish.

But full disclosure, this all may be easy for me to say as I was a decently big spender on my visits, taking mostly longer rooms. At Sharks, Zero 30 minute rooms, only 2 one hour rooms, and several rooms for over 90 minutes. But you know what? All but one of my rooms were great rooms and when I averaged it all out, my half hour rate turned out to be 67 e.

Anything but the 100 e rate, so Fight the good fight guys.

Wow! Respect!

That's one of the more sensible things I've read from you in a looooong time!

Actually yeah. Many girls improve their language just by speaking to native speakers of various languages for 12+ hours per day for 6-7 days a week for several months while working in a fuck club since many well adjusted men also attempt to speak to girls about a variety of topics in and outside the rooms.

Here's a little German lesson for you: "Wer es glaubt, wird selig. ".

It means "Whoever believes it, will be saved (I. E. By the Lord)" and is generally used in a sarcastic or cynical way when replying to gullible and naive people and their 'theories.'

[Escape Artist]

True. Also it doesn't matter one bit as Moldova is Romania, just with a different fancy name. They speak Romanian and you'd be hard pressed to find any difference between them in looks.

It's like saying a girl from Transnistria is not Moldavian, she is Transnistrian. I mean ok maybe technically if you want but as far as look and mentality goes, Romanian = Moldavian = Transnistrian.

Some small differences that are generalizations and of course there will be exceptions. More blondes in the country of Moldavia and Moldavian region of Romania. Less gypsy look, more Russian look. I've seen very few real blondes from Romania but a higher rate of real blondes say they are from Moldavia, even if it means they are from the Iasi / Moldavian area of Romania and not actually the country of Moldavia. Kind of like how you will see more Nordic look in Hamburg area of Germany than in Munich.

Also, it may only be my perception, but I don't see as many girls who claim Moldavia to be part of the cliques of Romanians who get excited for partying and dancing to Manele music. In general, I find them to be a little more reserved and less outspoken, often times to be seen by themselves or with only 1 friend in the club.

My point is that girls who claim to be Moldavian but may actually be born on the Romanian side of the border, might actually be Moldavian regarding the important distinctions such as looks and behavior. Just like an Italian from small towns near the Alps are more similar to behave like the Swiss and Austrians than they are to behave like Southern Italians. These European borders are relatively recent inventions in the backdrop of hundreds of years of cultural development so I think geographical origin and upbringing does result in discernible distinctions.

[Escape Artist]

One word on my mind: wow (or "gyatt" if you're from the younger crowd).

Yesterday had so many hotties, my wallet could follow but not the little guy.

I arrived at around 5 pm and there was already a lot of girls and not too many guys. I was looking for Cami but didn't see her for quite some time so I watched the girls and I don't know if I've broadened my horizon but god damn, there was a ton of hotties I would session with. Some of these girls have smoking hot bodies but unfortunately very average face though. I'm thinking about one tall girl with an incredible body and ass but very meh face with glasses. Don't know her name.

Maria (Ro).

Now this one is a bit weird because I was up scanning the room looking for Cami. While waiting, one of the girl comes to me and start kissing my cheek and giving me a handjob. She wanted me to go to a room with her. She started at 100 "full inclusive" and ended at 50 for classic sex. I wasn't interested in having sex with her as she is very far on all account for what I'm looking for in here. But I thought to myself she would make a good enough "fluffer" so I offered her 50 but she would play with my body and give me a handjob in the public area upstairs, later moving onto one of the open beds. 50 for 30 min.

Did not see Catalea for the last 2 weeks at least. Brenda is still there but leaves around 8 pm, maybe as late as 10 pm. If she is working she will always be on the left side of the bar close to opening time. In the morning, she will probably be the best body in the club. Would cannot miss her if you arrive early.

[SethiatSpace]

Don't believe many are from Republic of Moldavia, when Iasie is in Romania.

True. Also it doesn't matter one bit as Moldova is Romania, just with a different fancy name. They speak Romanian and you'd be hard pressed to find any difference between them in looks.

It's like saying a girl from Transnistria is not Moldavian, she is Transnistrian. I mean ok maybe technically if you want but as far as look and mentality goes, Romanian = Moldavian = Transnistrian.