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  1. #27916
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilliat  [View Original Post]
    Was there this Friday. Re train has a delay because of the maintenance of the langen station. Arrived to club around 9. 30.

    Foods was ok, especially watermelon is my fav.

    There were many man when ı arrived, most pf them was 45 over years old. Most of them was local as soon as ı see.

    After 11 12 in the night club finnay found the balance to man. Woman ratio. There were around 35 36 or maks 40 girls. Half of them or more wa from romania, ı think all of you know this.

    ı got 4 rooms. All was new girls to me. Till now ı had a room with 36 different girls this year. Some of them became my regular, but ı always need to taste new foods. This is the nature of a man.

    Irena. Ro: black hair, good lips, tattoo arm. Romanian. Good english skill. Because ı can't speak german language. 100430...
    Men can be very different: if it keeps on working well between us, I will go only to my French new escort for 200/60 but no entry. On last night, I was at Globe, 49 girls, mostly very average looks, not better than Sharks, and I thought: why to pay 150 per 30 mn when I can have a far more fresh, full natural, prettier and more charming welcoming for much less expensive. If it works good for a while, she will make me save money going only to her and better, easier for my mind. I started with Russian escorts for 2 years before FKK and even I had some really great girls in FKK and many Romanians, but as told me my LR Romanian regular: clubs are not for you.

  2. #27915
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilliat  [View Original Post]
    ... Was there also at 31.12. It was like a guy party. It was full, totaly a disaster.
    Really?

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  3. #27914

    Friday

    Was there this Friday. Re train has a delay because of the maintenance of the langen station. Arrived to club around 9. 30.

    Foods was ok, especially watermelon is my fav.

    There were many man when ı arrived, most pf them was 45 over years old. Most of them was local as soon as ı see.

    After 11 12 in the night club finnay found the balance to man. Woman ratio. There were around 35 36 or maks 40 girls. Half of them or more wa from romania, ı think all of you know this.

    ı got 4 rooms. All was new girls to me. Till now ı had a room with 36 different girls this year. Some of them became my regular, but ı always need to taste new foods. This is the nature of a man.

    Irena. Ro: black hair, good lips, tattoo arm. Romanian. Good english skill. Because ı can't speak german language. 100430.

    No rush, no pressure. A good BJ, indeed. ı saw better skill but this was pretty cool fir the firs meeting with her. She knew my parfüm, we spoke a little after seks. Several position. ı like such type of girls.

    Will share the same room with her again. She will be my another regular.

    Lena. Ro: 174 lenght, small titts, as a result a good body for me. Black hairs not so long. There is a tatto at the arm. She is calm, pretty girl. She mostly sits with karolina which ı had room 5 times with her. Karolina was ok for me but became old. O good oral, not so effective but its ok. Cowgirl and doggy. Doggy finish is my fav. 100430.

    Tiffany. Ro: ı had seen this girl before 1 month when ı was at sharks again. But ı coukdnt be sure about her. She does not speak so much she just sits single. No with another girl. Looked to me some unknown. Her titts siliconed based but they look ok. Black long hair, around 23 24 years old. She is not so prof one.

    Good body. Because ıf this ı wanted to have a room with her. Just an ordinarj sex. Blowjob was average. And ı knew that: she was average for total time. With her will never repeat. Because she is no warm girl such most of romanian. If you like freash look and body sure you can try.

    Antonietta. Bulg: a girl who is Bulgaria based but can speak english ans turkish as well. 24-25 years, average titts, o good smell on body, some flesy but not fat. She is very warm I friendly approach, no rush while speaking. She told me let us sit and when you are ready go to room. This is what ı was looking for. We spoke 15 min, and got to room.

    The BJ skill was very very good. Indeed it was good. She does not gave up till you tell her to tirun to sex. ı catch a good chemistry with her. The meeting before this was not good, but the last meeting was indeed a good coincidience. As far as ı remember ı did nt see this girl before. Or she was not in the club. Anyway: 100430.

    She deserves to go room wşth, another times.

    Generally: girls insist 100430. Even there was no much visitor after 1 am.

    Evia, deby, yana, another 2 german girl, mostly romanian girls, 2 or 3 blacky ones, several bulgarians. ı think at the beginning of February allmost all the girls will return to work.

    Was a good night. Finished 4 rooms. ı met a blond haired girls: she told me she came from world, ı would like to try with her next time. She told me something regards to world.

    Was there also at 31.12.

    It was like a guy party. 150430 asked from many girls, but 100430 was decent as well. It was full, totaly a disaster.

    Will not join to sylvester party again in such a place.

  4. #27913
    Quote Originally Posted by EscapeArtist  [View Original Post]
    I agree. It's now apparent that unless Europe falls under much worse economic times, 100 euro per half hour with 50 e for each additional hour will remain the big club standard. The smaller clubs will still be around to offer more modest or even traditional pricing. The only scenario I see 200 euro per hour sticking for any club is if it develops into an elite-optics club with at least 20 or 30 girls who match the quality of the top 3 girls currently at a club like Sharks. Perhaps that club may evolve into a new tier of venue that supports more high rollers or entice more of the young guys who make up the largest portion of the club's entry to pay those high prices. But in my opinion, the market will not allow the current product offered by these clubs to sustain 200 euro per hour.

    At the 200 euro rate, the older, traditionally more financially-conscientious Germans will explore other options for pay sex. Eros centers / laufhauser are everywhere. Escorts will continue to be around. And small private houses could stand to gain popularity. These mongers could easily choose to forgo the sauna club luxuries and go straight to the sex. I could see the 40 year old and up German crowd migrating to clubs like Rome or Atlanta, leaving the big clubs to be filled with mostly young guys and international sex tourists. Frankurt's FKK scene could easily develop into something similar to NRW where there are clubs that cater to older German sauna goers and others that cater to younger nightclub type sex club goers. If so, just like in NRW, there will always girls who prefer to avoid the young party crowd and choose to work with an older, more casual clientele even for less money. There are less of those girls, much less, but their numbers are significant enough to sustain other clubs.
    But if You really visited Sharks, You would know many girls and not only among prettiest, ask for more than 150 for 1 hour, some asking 200 and not really kissing. New Sharks since 2022 and I doubt girls asking will decrease for full service, but You can have 100/30 for suck and fuck or not pretties looking for business. Ask new Germans, or Katalea or frenchie on December for 150/60 with BBBJ, DATY and real FK and You will experience reality. I think your Ciosmina is not anymore for 100/60 when she is not anymore the more fresh, but easy, no bottle to save versus her increasing. I may save Sharks entry when I prefer to keep on enjoying high quality of french fresh beauty.

  5. #27912
    Quote Originally Posted by Sirioja  [View Original Post]
    No orthographe for names in France. Can be both. Never asked her which one when I don t care when not her real. My frenchie beauty for me.
    She chose the name and write it Lora. Funny, some Germans move from escorting to clubs, but as different as me, moving from FKK to escort.

  6. #27911
    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySign  [View Original Post]
    For those who are afraid of being priced out, don't worry. Just chill out. The prices will eventually settle at an equilibrium point that can be supported by the fundamental of economic and free market.
    I agree. It's now apparent that unless Europe falls under much worse economic times, 100 euro per half hour with 50 e for each additional hour will remain the big club standard. The smaller clubs will still be around to offer more modest or even traditional pricing. The only scenario I see 200 euro per hour sticking for any club is if it develops into an elite-optics club with at least 20 or 30 girls who match the quality of the top 3 girls currently at a club like Sharks. Perhaps that club may evolve into a new tier of venue that supports more high rollers or entice more of the young guys who make up the largest portion of the club's entry to pay those high prices. But in my opinion, the market will not allow the current product offered by these clubs to sustain 200 euro per hour.

    At the 200 euro rate, the older, traditionally more financially-conscientious Germans will explore other options for pay sex. Eros centers / laufhauser are everywhere. Escorts will continue to be around. And small private houses could stand to gain popularity. These mongers could easily choose to forgo the sauna club luxuries and go straight to the sex. I could see the 40 year old and up German crowd migrating to clubs like Rome or Atlanta, leaving the big clubs to be filled with mostly young guys and international sex tourists. Frankurt's FKK scene could easily develop into something similar to NRW where there are clubs that cater to older German sauna goers and others that cater to younger nightclub type sex club goers. If so, just like in NRW, there will always girls who prefer to avoid the young party crowd and choose to work with an older, more casual clientele even for less money. There are less of those girls, much less, but their numbers are significant enough to sustain other clubs.

  7. #27910
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuber19  [View Original Post]
    In my Experience (my last visit was August 2022) , the rate for longer rooms does not work like 150 euro / hour.

    I paid this rate with my regulars.

    100/30 minutes.

    150/60 minutes.

    200/90 minutes.

    250/120 minutes (2 hours).

    300/150 minutes.

    350/180 minutes (3 hours).

    So. In summary. 100 euro for 1st 30 minutes. Then 50 euro for every extra 30 minutes.

    Thats my experience, I don't know if this rate is the usual rate? Or it was before and changed now. I would like to know how much other people pay for longer rooms. (more than 1 hour).
    Thanks for sharing. This concurs very much with my own experience at Sharks as well (last visit in October). And that includes top performances by some of the bestlooking girls.

    A couple of comments:

    - Just as there are girls trying to quote 200 E /60, there will be girls trying to quote 250 E /90 or 300 E /120 or even 400 E /120. Some of them do not even french kiss or have other restrictions. Go if you must, but those girls are very few and can be easily ignored.

    - Although I never did more than max 2 HR sessions in 2022, I suspect plenty of girls will still be giving discounts (or an extra for free) for longer sessions (it has happened to me many times in previous years). You are a rare find doing more than a 1 HR session and will be very popular among girls. Even more so if trying less popular clubs than Sharks / Palace.

    - Many girls up their prices when the F / M ratios are all wrong ("gay parties") like during Saturday nights, Sylvester, Christmas, big exhibitions, parties, ++. Nothing new. It has been reported for years.

    - S16.

  8. #27909
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion2007  [View Original Post]

    The turnover in Sharks is massive right now and the new girls arrive by busload. But the level of services is insanely different between girls. Nazar or Flori for example are great for 19 and 20 years old girls, then you go with an Ina that barely know how to do a blowjob!
    Thats good news, I was supposed to visit November 2022 but cancelled due to some unexpected issues, when I can visit, I hope to see a big turnover as I was visiting since long time ago.

  9. #27908
    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySign  [View Original Post]

    Seriously, 12 hours room! He must have some kind of discount or long term package deal because he's her regular or something. I just can not imagine the price would be 12 x150 or 1800 Euro for the whole day. No way! I wonder if you asked Amanda how much that guys paid her just out of curiosity.
    In my Experience (my last visit was August 2022) , the rate for longer rooms does not work like 150 euro / hour.

    I paid this rate with my regulars.

    100/30 minutes.

    150/60 minutes.

    200/90 minutes.

    250/120 minutes (2 hours).

    300/150 minutes.

    350/180 minutes (3 hours).

    So. In summary. 100 euro for 1st 30 minutes. Then 50 euro for every extra 30 minutes.

    My Maximum room was 4 hours. I paid 450 euro. And after that room. Many girls approach me because they knew I paid that much for 1 girl.

    After that I was thinking if I go For 6 hours room. Maybe I try to negotiate for 500 euro. But I didn't try it. It will be boring for me. The 4 hour was an exception. Usually 2 hours room max. (250 Euro).

    Thats my experience, I don't know if this rate is the usual rate? Or it was before and changed now.

    I would like to know how much other people pay for longer rooms. (more than 1 hour).

  10. #27907
    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySign  [View Original Post]
    You also posted about being in Sharks for the Weihnachts (Christmas) party. I wonder how the Sylvester (New Year Eve) party compares to the Weihnachts one. Which one is more crowded with men? Which one has more girls? You sounded like there were more girls (90+) in the Christmas party. No? Do you like one party over the other, or were they pretty much the same? Based on what I've read, most girls jacked up their prices on Sylvester. (They did the same when I was at the 2019 Sylvester party.) Did your girls jack up their prices just for the Sylvester party as well?
    The party at the start of December had much more girls: we did a full line-up in another forum and arrived at around 105 girls. And they were much less men also. All in all it was a better experience that the New Year's Eve party.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySign  [View Original Post]
    Zoe seems to have difficulty speaking / understanding English when I was with her. Did you speak English or German to her? You're from Germany. Right? Was she busy the whole night?
    I spoke to her in English and it was okayish. She was not here the 31 but I was there also the 30 and it was that day that I have been with her. She's much less occupied than at the start of December when she arrived.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySign  [View Original Post]
    Seriously, 12 hours room! He must have some kind of discount or long term package deal because he's her regular or something. I just can not imagine the price would be 12 x150 or 1800 Euro for the whole day. No way! I wonder if you asked Amanda how much that guys paid her just out of curiosity.
    I did ask her but it's of course private but yes for 12 hours he add a discount.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySign  [View Original Post]
    I hope there will be more normal girls like Laura (Bibi, or few other hot ones), who are NOT pro's and just regular hot girls who need money to achieve whatever their goals are in their lives and come to FKK clubs to work for few months and then return back to their regular work. After that, another new set of regular hot girls follow their foot steps. The cycle repeats and continues. That, to me, is the essence of FKK. LOL. I guess we all probably want to see new ones instead of seeing the same ladies working at the clubs for 5+ years.
    The turnover in Sharks is massive right now and the new girls arrive by busload. But the level of services is insanely different between girls. Nazar or Flori for example are great for 19 and 20 years old girls, then you go with an Ina that barely know how to do a blowjob!

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySign  [View Original Post]
    For those who are afraid of being priced out, don't worry. Just chill out. The prices will eventually settle at an equilibrium point that can be supported by the fundamental of economic and free market.
    I would say that yes the price will settle eventually but some people have already been priced-out and the economic difficulties will not help them. But that's normal: when I go to a middle of the road resort in Punta Cana, a person that touch a minimum wages can't go there, and when I see a Palace along the same beach I know that I can't go there.

  11. #27906
    Quote Originally Posted by FFM96  [View Original Post]
    No, current prices of Melissa "Red", RO, are 100/30 and 150/60, both versions incl. Fullservice. Plus the "extras", if desired. This was in December 2022.
    Right. What I'm saying is that she was already charging that back in 2019 when she was one of the few girls who charged that rate. Guys paid her that rate and other girls have since adopted her pricing and it all snowballed into the whole line up.

  12. #27905
    Quote Originally Posted by FFM96  [View Original Post]
    No, current prices of Melissa "Red", RO, are 100/30 and 150/60, both versions incl. Fullservice. Plus the "extras", if desired. This was in December 2022.
    She already asked same before covid. She was very honest telling before going. Lora did same before our discovery. Melissa is less GFE and her face lost freshness.

  13. #27904
    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySign  [View Original Post]
    Don't worry. Someone else will name them for you. LOL.

    Let's be clear of what was asked. He didn't ask just for the New Year holiday. Laura WAS there during Christmas party. I was there on that day (Friday December 9). However, she was NOT there at the New Year party based on what other posters have reported.

    You also posted about being in Sharks for the Weihnachts (Christmas) party. I wonder how the Sylvester (New Year Eve) party compares to the Weihnachts one. Which one is more crowded with men? Which one has more girls? You sounded like there were more girls (90+) in the Christmas party. No? Do you like one party over the other, or were they pretty much the same? Based on what I've read, most girls jacked up their prices on Sylvester. (They did the same when I was at the 2019 Sylvester party.) Did your girls jack up their prices just for the Sylvester party as well?

    Zoe seems to have difficulty speaking / understanding English when I was with her. Did you speak English or German to her? You're from Germany. Right? Was she busy the whole night?.
    Why do you need to know who are my girls? Like too many followers, when only very few who really know me, deserve. I don t need to know who are your girls but I know Amira Samya is not Russian. Yes, Lora worked till mid December and at Christmas party which was nothing for party except proseco. When Sharks was low level casting on most of 2022, but improvement for few looks on end of year. Wish for some GFE natural beauties on 2023. Yes, some Germans pay very expensive, 1500, for some girls who are not even pretty for me.

  14. #27903
    Quote Originally Posted by Sirioja  [View Original Post]
    I prefer not to name anymore my really good girls, to protect them from my bullshiting followers.
    Don't worry. Someone else will name them for you. LOL.

    Quote Originally Posted by EuroTravel1234  [View Original Post]
    Was she there during Christmas and New Year Party??
    Let's be clear of what was asked. He didn't ask just for the New Year holiday. Laura WAS there during Christmas party. I was there on that day (Friday December 9). However, she was NOT there at the New Year party based on what other posters have reported.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion2007  [View Original Post]
    I was in Sharks three days around Silvester. The Silvester party was ok but even if the food was good it was clearly inferior to last year or even the great party at the end of August. The line-up was better than anticipated with more than 70 girls and some new ones very pretty, a little less men than last year were it was very crowded, this year it was manageable. If the girls that you liked was not booked for 12 hours (like one of mine was) it was quite easy to go with any girl that you wanted.
    You also posted about being in Sharks for the Weihnachts (Christmas) party. I wonder how the Sylvester (New Year Eve) party compares to the Weihnachts one. Which one is more crowded with men? Which one has more girls? You sounded like there were more girls (90+) in the Christmas party. No? Do you like one party over the other, or were they pretty much the same? Based on what I've read, most girls jacked up their prices on Sylvester. (They did the same when I was at the 2019 Sylvester party.) Did your girls jack up their prices just for the Sylvester party as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion2007  [View Original Post]
    Zo: 20 years old German in the club since the start of December. 1 m74, very nice body with white skin and some little tattoos. Nice chat before going to the room and in it everything was good but nothing extraordinary.
    Zoe seems to have difficulty speaking / understanding English when I was with her. Did you speak English or German to her? You're from Germany. Right? Was she busy the whole night?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion2007  [View Original Post]
    Amanda: my top regular. Booked for 12 hours the new year's eve (by the same man), I was with her the next day. Has good as always.
    Seriously, 12 hours room! He must have some kind of discount or long term package deal because he's her regular or something. I just can not imagine the price would be 12 x150 or 1800 Euro for the whole day. No way! I wonder if you asked Amanda how much that guys paid her just out of curiosity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion2007  [View Original Post]
    Laura will stay until end of January at max. It was her plan from the start.
    I hope there will be more normal girls like Laura (Bibi, or few other hot ones), who are NOT pro's and just regular hot girls who need money to achieve whatever their goals are in their lives and come to FKK clubs to work for few months and then return back to their regular work. After that, another new set of regular hot girls follow their foot steps. The cycle repeats and continues. That, to me, is the essence of FKK. LOL. I guess we all probably want to see new ones instead of seeing the same ladies working at the clubs for 5+ years.

    I remember last summer at Sharks. I met a new comer, a short German girl with a sweet face, named Lana who comes from Berlin. When I chatted with her about GFE, she said that she would give me an introductory rate of 250/60 just to try her out. After that, it would go up to 300/60. I laughed and told her that I could have hired an escort coming to my hotel room for that rate without paying an entry fee to the club. The free market eventually spoke. She disappeared after couple weeks because no one would go with her for that price. For those who are afraid of being priced out, don't worry. Just chill out. The prices will eventually settle at an equilibrium point that can be supported by the fundamental of economic and free market.

  15. #27902
    Quote Originally Posted by Kartoffel  [View Original Post]
    Melissa was not charging all the guys the same price, and she is no exception. People who accept to pay inflated rates are just dumb I think.
    As far as I know, she has charged at least 150 e per hour since 2019. My first session with her in 2018, I negotiated 120 e for an hour which was better than the firm 150 euro she was charging Oase the previous week.

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