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  1. #30128
    Quote Originally Posted by Shark16  [View Original Post]
    Some will pay 200- 300E/60 and THINK they did an exclusive deal. Others will pay 150E/60 (often with the same girls and same performance) and be happy with that.
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    Wealthy guys do spend more money but doesn't mean they have to pay 300/ hour or even 200/ hour rate.

    In the past year, I chatted a few rich customers whom I met in Sharks and got to know something about their spending habits.

    Case 1: a Canadian attorney (he claimed). I recommended girl M to him. He then spent whole time from 4 pm to midnight with the girl only. Later on he disclosed that he gave girl-M 1000 euros PLUS the entrance fee (125 e). Average 140/ hour.

    Case 2: a local IT professional, three hours with girl Ki and paid her 500 euros plus extra. Three hours with girl-Ca 500 total, as he told me.

    Case 3: a London banker, booked girl K whole Monday with 1000 plus entrance.

    Case 4: a Singapore VC, booked girl Ce from 2 pm to 10 pm with 1000 euros.

    For privacy I don't need to disclose above girls names but they are hot.

  2. #30127

    What's it worth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shark16  [View Original Post]
    ISome will pay 200- 300E/60 and THINK they did an exclusive deal.
    I will gladly pay 300 E /60, not because I think I'm getting something exclusive, but because I got good value for that money. That would be 1 hour of sex with BBBJ, CIM, and anal sex. Plus a massage thrown in for free if I can get it (most girls will oblige).

  3. #30126
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    A thought just occurred to me. What if there are wealthy guys who deliberately pay the hottest girls more so as to spoil them and make them demand more generally so that those wealthy guys can have exclusive access to said hot girls.
    Interesting thought. I will counter that by asking:

    1. Are there enough wealthy guys?
    2. Are there really so few hot girls?

    Debate on!

    Some will pay 200- 300E/60 and THINK they did an exclusive deal. Others will pay 150E/60 (often with the same girls and same performance) and be happy with that.

    (We can debate this endlessly and still not agree. Will someone soon say we are beating a dead horse?).

  4. #30125
    Quote Originally Posted by PinballMachine  [View Original Post]
    It's quite simple. Don't pay 200 for 60. Pay 150. If everybody sticked to this simple rule, like I do, even with the hottest girls, you would all benefit.

    If you pay 200 for 60 you are fooled.
    A thought just occurred to me. What if there are wealthy guys who deliberately pay the hottest girls more so as to spoil them and make them demand more generally so that those wealthy guys can have exclusive access to said hot girls.

  5. #30124
    Quote Originally Posted by PinballMachine  [View Original Post]
    It's quite simple. Don't pay 200 for 60. Pay 150. If everybody sticked to this simple rule, like I do, even with the hottest girls, you would all benefit.

    If you pay 200 for 60 you are fooled.
    Most expensive are not on the highest level, but do you get Maxima, or Kity, or Katalea, or Sofi. De, for 150/60 . I never repeated with Sofi, only because of 200/60 , when 3 others never worth 200/60 . I don't like to pay more expensive than I estimate.

  6. #30123
    It's quite simple. Don't pay 200 for 60. Pay 150. If everybody sticked to this simple rule, like I do, even with the hottest girls, you would all benefit.

    If you pay 200 for 60 you are fooled.

  7. #30122
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    My very first experience of upselling was at Palace which was notorious for upselling long before Sharks ever existed. Back then there was no upselling at Oase. Then years after came Sharks with 50/30 and 100/60 constant with BBBJ. After 2017 a few girls tried upselling for BBBJ and I avoided them without any lessening of my experience at that club up until my last visit in 2020. I never ever paid extra for DATY which I understand some girls are now trying to upsell.
    More than CIM, or anal but how many are able for more than asian size deep inside for more than 30 seconds, when porn actresses are prepared not to feel, now common extra asked is for what they sell as GFE, like in kindergarden level. For many now, 100/30 and 200/60 is for basic BBBJ, DATY, fucking mostly small pussies, like if they never got a real size inside and few baby kiss at best and 50 extra for GFE for babies, when some real GFE are for 150/60 , not asking extra and not rushing You if they like with You, I got 150/80 on August when she has best GFE skill for me at Sharks since 2021 , out of German white snow on May / June. Small Simona with quite average face even asking 300/60 for little Romanian GFE and some schoolgirls fans pay such rate. The shortest and lowest levels are now the most expensive at Sharks, when can still find some of best for 150/60 or even longer if they like with You, when I refuse to pay more expensive for lower quality, reason why Sharks is lower value for money than Oase now and Globe is down, not worthing 150/30 when You know a bit FKK land.

  8. #30121

    Lame

    Quote Originally Posted by Shark16  [View Original Post]
    At times you can read reports about guys paying for DATY. That's pretty lame.
    I have never paid extra for things like DATY, kissing, or a massage (I like massages and typically can get one in as part of the base deal). On the other hand, I have routinely paid the upcharge for CIM and anal sex. Then when the upcharging started for BBBJs I paid that too. As a tourist monger I didn't have a lot of room to negotiate. And I admit that one time I paid extra (like maybe an extra 50) to eat out a Ruskie girl's ass! It was in Zurich, and I just had to get me some of that hot "blondinka's" tight little forbidden "pope-ka"! She wouldn't do anal, but I could be her little American butt munch if I wanted. So if I couldn't cornhole her, then my other option was my face buried between her attractive Slav girl ass cheeks, with my tongue tickling her butt hole! For a small fee. It may have been lame, but what was an "anal connoisseur" to do pray tell (shrugs)? I had to have me some of that pretty, blonde, Slav girl anus! If even just a taste. Hahaha!

  9. #30120
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    I never ever paid extra for DATY which I understand some girls are now trying to upsell.
    I have never been upsold for DATY in Hessen, but I got a "no" once. It happened to me years ago. She did me a favour (herpes outbreak). She probably should not have worked that day, and I quickly ended the session.

    At times you can read reports about guys paying for DATY. That's pretty lame.

    (In Austria it is not uncommon that girls will try to upsell a DATY/kissing/GF package. At Wellcum/GT Linz for 20- 30E. At GT Vienna/Mystic for 50- 150E extra! Just say no to these proposals.).

    (GT Vienna is probably the worst club I have ever visited with regard to upsell. It's an upsell hell!! Here is a true story: I am receiving a BBBJ from a girl. I ask for 69. She puts herself in position. I am locked in under her killer ass. I am totally turned on. I was about to lick her privates when she says: DATY is 50 extra. And I am locked in there under her delicous pussy lips doing everything I can to avoid her warm lips. But I am so excited. And I can't move. Then she says: "Come in my mouth. It's only 100E extra.". LOL!!!)

  10. #30119
    My very first experience of upselling was at Palace which was notorious for upselling long before Sharks ever existed. Back then there was no upselling at Oase. Then years after came Sharks with 50/30 and 100/60 constant with BBBJ. After 2017 a few girls tried upselling for BBBJ and I avoided them without any lessening of my experience at that club up until my last visit in 2020. I never ever paid extra for DATY which I understand some girls are now trying to upsell.

  11. #30118
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCane  [View Original Post]
    But then you would find girls trying to impose "unofficial" upcharges for all sorts of other things. Some guys found it worth it to pay for those extras while others did not. For example, I have never paid extra for kissing and never will. I don't value it that much while others do. And so on and so forth regarding other types of upcharges.
    That's right. If you show weakness, some girls will try to upcharge for anything, like:

    - BLS
    - DFK.
    - DATY.
    - Massage.
    - COB.
    - COT.

    - FIP.
    - FIA.
    - Rimming.

    NONE of the above did qualify for an extra back in the day. And the decent providers STILL do not quote extras for these "services". Of course, the three bottom services are not standard services and you risk a "no" that must be respected (or the use of condom in the case of FIP/FIA). The first six a large majority of girls will consider included in the base price of 100E/30 or 150E/60. Most of the time without saying. But you may want to check 1- 2 of them with the girl if this is crucial to you (typically a DFK fundamentalist need to check this service with the girl before the session).

    That is from a Hessen perspective of course. Those who visit Hamburg / Bavira will know that many of these "services" have been extra for more than 20 years. They have a totally different tradition.

  12. #30117
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMoon22  [View Original Post]
    I don't think any of the clubs I went in they would do anything for 50. I forget which ones said but 2 of the clubs said the minimum for girls. I think Artemis said maybe 70? Maybe 90. Then OASE said min was 50.
    Some WGs still do 50 for 30. They're not easy to find, and they won't be the best looking, but they do exist.

  13. #30116
    Quote Originally Posted by SobeLizard  [View Original Post]
    You know nothing at all about FKK.

    Stay with your romance novels writing about fat woman at Scandallo Brazil and Seeking arrangements.
    I've seen a lot of the chicks he's banged and I can maybe count on 1 hand the thick ones. 🤣 Dude is a legend not sure why the hate. He's literally done it all and is the most experienced monger I know.

  14. #30115

    Spot on!

    Quote Originally Posted by Shark16  [View Original Post]
    I apologize for my horrible English. What I meant was that I started struggling with finding good 100 E /60 sessions with new girls from around 2021 or 2022. Thus, accordring to my my own experiences, the going rate changed to 150 E /60 during this period.

    I am still (2023) not paying 200 E /60 as I find girls with those quotes easily replaceable. But to each their own. And of course, I still don't know what 2024 will bring.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shark16  [View Original Post]
    Sorry Steve, you lack some experience. Hehe.

    I have been around since early 00's. Before the time of Sharks and Mainhattan. But after the closedown of the legendary Atlantis (hey, I am not that old!). The first time I experienced upselling (for GF-package of BBBJ / DATY / DFK) and 100 E /30 was around 2007. At Palace. During exhibitions with huge crowds. Upselling is nothing new.

    The problem was easy to solve. ISG worked perfectly then with warnings from experienced mongers. Oase and World were still solid (better) upselling-free alternatives with hotter girls. The regulars to FKK clubs moved to these two clubs and left Palace to the "tourists".

    Around 5 years later the upselling "disease" had spread to Oase and new clubs Mainhattan and Sharks. But only among a minority of girls who could easily be replaced by better options. ISG still functioned perfectly with warnings about who the upsellers were and constant reminders that BBBJ/DFK/DATY are NOT extras. Some "tourists" would never listen and paid an overprice. Usually the ones with few visits and plenty of money, or the ignorant/weak ones with lack of self confidence. Either way, the "two price system" that we see today has in fact been around for at least 10- 15 years.

    Then the 2017 law. Two things happened:

    1.

    More girls (but far from all) took advantage and started upselling.

    2.

    The "Kondomplicht" made it complicated to talk about BBBJ. The more experienced mongers stopped reporting or moved to local forums leaving ISG to the "tourists" who were willing to accept upselling..
    The bottom line is that upcharging has been a part of the FKK scene in Germany for a long, long time. Like a couple of decades at least? Prior to 2017 and the condom law there were two standard, "official" upcharges: 50 euros for CIM and 100 euros for anal (50 in the NRW). I always did have the most expensive tastes LOL! But then you would find girls trying to impose "unofficial" upcharges for all sorts of other things. Some guys found it worth it to pay for those extras while others did not. For example, I have never paid extra for kissing and never will. I don't value it that much while others do. And so on and so forth regarding other types of upcharges. What 2017 served to do is usher in a new, standard but still unofficial upcharge: 50 euros extra for a BBBJ.

    The problem for mongers is that this particular unofficial upcharge is more far reaching and impactful than other unsanctioned upcharges because it's the result of a law that applies to everybody, and not the result of an individual girl's particular preferences or whims. So now pretty much all of the girls feel they have leverage to demand 50 euros more for providing this now illegal service (BBBJs), and as a result, the financial dynamics of the business have been altered, with some mongers even being priced out. And to make matters worse, some tutes are "pushing the envelope" trying to charge 200+ euros for an hour without really adding anything additional to the package! Hell, I'm willing to pay 300+ per hour, but I better be getting value for my money. For that kind of money I better be getting a BBBJ, CIM, vaginal sex, and anal sex. No? Then she can gets to stepping right out of my face!

  15. #30114
    Quote Originally Posted by Shark16  [View Original Post]
    Personally the struggle started around ten years after (post covid).
    I apologize for my horrible English. What I meant was that I started struggling with finding good 100 E /60 sessions with new girls from around 2021 or 2022. Thus, accordring to my my own experiences, the going rate changed to 150 E /60 during this period.

    I am still (2023) not paying 200 E /60 as I find girls with those quotes easily replaceable. But to each their own. And of course, I still don't know what 2024 will bring.

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