FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[WetWetWet18]

WOW. That's honestly all I have to say for my first visit to any FKK in my life. Went on Wednesday around 630 Pm.

First impression when walking to the entrance I was super nervous with my two buddies were also excited haha.

Walked up towards the entrance we saw a girl walk in front of us with silver ish purple hair once we saw her we were like alright this will be good haha.

We got in paid the fee for Wednesday price 50 euros. Didn't get scammed there that was a good sign haha no questions like did taxi drop you off or anything. Got showed where the change room was and was told that the bar is still under construction last time I looked I thought they'd be done by the time I got there but the bar is still under construction sadly just a sore thumb since it's just looks weird right in the middle. So as me and two of my Asian buddies walked in we instantly got hollers and woooooos from a bunch of girls even tho it was super busy! I've warned my friends that we are going to be targets cause we're Asian and they instantly felt the pressure we had girls run up to us grab us kiss us grab my dick and all it was so hard to dodge them. It's our first time so we were overwhelmed. Told the boys stick to the rule we got to not go Into a room until at least we walked around the whole place and saw as much of the line up we can! So there were a lot more guys than girls at this point at 7 pm. It was so surreal cause I've been trying to do research for the last month and to finally get to see it in person after seeing all the pictures was nuts haha! After exploring the whole place we went outside since inside was hotter than outside at that point and that's when the hunting became real.

While I was walking to the sun bed to lay down a blonde cutie walked up to me and just grabbed me and put my face in her tits. I was thrown off but luckily she took my no and walked away but she then kept coming back to me through out the night but it just wasn't the type of girl that interested me. She was cute and nice body just not what I was really looking for.

So we got passed our first half hour at sharks and saw some girls and told the guys let's go get some!

1st girl 8/10.

Forgot her name. Said she's 24. Italian beautiful eyes not the nicest tits. But beautiful ass and pussy she just showed me everything before we went into the room. So I asked for basic service for my first kill as I didn't know if I was going to bust quick so I didn't try anything special. Just a basic condom suck and fuck for 50 euros. Was good service and she was nice finished less than half hour left room paid her and the end of all the nervousness in my body. Also she was very friendly and not pushy and upsell she just asked if I wanted extra services or not and I just declined cause just wanted to bust my first nut haha. Only reason she's not a 10 out of 10 is cause she wasn't really my type I was looking for but went with her cause I honestly said no to like 5 girls already and I was like ready to just bust my first nut. Overall service and no real upselling so she is a great girl!

Got out couldn't find my buddies so I just walked around some more and then got some drinks and waited for them. They had outdoor BBQ on this night and the food was surprisingly good! Steak. Sausages. Chicken. Pork. Burgers and side dishes! Yum probably ate like every time I finished with a girl haha!

2nd girl 10/10.

Alina.

Okay so this girl I went with because of the Japanese website by a guy named Mad Dog. She's a platinum blonde with nice optics and a tight pussy even for an Asian guy she must have trained that muscle well to keep it tight still. He wrote in his blog that this girl is a must try! So I saw the tattoo and her body figure (he has a blurred picture to help us recognize her by her tattoo. I saw her while I was eating. Glanced at her saw her tattoo and got excited haha continued with eating and then as she got up to go get a drink she came to me and stared at me and said " you want to go with me" and then asked her what was her rate? She said 50 for basic and said 100 for GFE except CIM. And then when we went into the room. Got to try the outdoor shacks which was cooler than inside since it was soo hot inside. I told her about the website I found her on and she laughed and she said she knows she's very well liked by Japanese guys so I was like alright! This is going to be great. 100 euro for half hour. BBBJ and fuck and GFE but I don't do that DFK stuff so I passed but was included but just said it's okay I don't need to kiss haha. She was very nice service was great and it was great! Would definitely repeat.

3rd girl 11/10.

I don't remember her name cause I was honestly just breathless when I saw her. I've never done a Spanish girl and always wanted to. It was definitely my fantasy coming true here haha.

Name I don't know. Age said she's 24. Spanish. Big tits. Beautiful ass. Slim waist. Everything I've ever wanted haha! Didn't see her till later in the night guess she was busy haha as she should be. Asked if she does 50 euro for suck and fuck and she said no nicely and told me 100 for condom suck and fuck I just couldn't say no so I just went with it. It was amazing. She was very nice not rushing and stared at me the whole time so not mechanical at all which was surprising to me for sucha hot girl. Blow job to her riding me to doggy to reverse cow girl to finish in missionary. Amazing service honestly I'll never forget haha she was my fantasy and it was fulfilled! So happy she wasn't machanicle and boring.

One random thing happened not sure if she was really upset with me or not as she was one of the first few girls I said no to because we just got in the club. She saw me go with the first Italian girl and then gave me a dirty look and I just smiled. So I'd continuously got this look from her all night every time I passed her but I believe it was in a playful way. Didn't think anything of it so near the end of the night she came up to me again and talked to me and then I felt bad so I was like you know what let's go to the room. Suck and fuck for 50? She said look babe I'm worth more than that don't you agree? I told her yes she's right she is a beautiful girl for sure. But at this point in the night my nuts were empty after 3 times haha. So after she told me all that I told her I'm not here to offend her and if she felt like I offended her I'm sorry and then she was very nice kissed me on the cheek told me I'm a good guy and then we went our separate ways. I was jsut surprised she didn't want to go up for a easy 50 haha.

Left around 12 o'clock with sharks taxi to my hotel charged me extra 2 bucks just because not dropping to station but to my hotel near by. So pretty much to sum it all up we were there from 630 pm to midnight busted 3 nuts spent 300 euros including entrance fee and was well worth every penny!

Overall as a first timer here are a couple of things I think all first timers should do.

1. Get in and don't go to a room within first half hour to hour. See the whole area then grab a drink have a seat and look until you find one you like. Talk to them nicely and you won't have a problem even if you say no to them just be nice it will go a long way! Be a gentleman don't be a douche bag.

2. I'm a guy who smiles a lot so every girl thought I wanted to go to the room with them just because I smiled in their direction. Don't be like me otherwise your honestly going to get hounded the whole night and it got pretty annoying as the night went on because the girls earlier would continue to come find me and talk to me and try to bring me to a room. Had one girl come to me like 15 times during the time I was there LOL! So my buddy did me a favour and took her to the room. She had an awesome body but face not so much.

Didn't really talked to any other people there but did see a couple of groups of Asians but different types. Japanese. Mandarin and Chinese soo it was pretty funny to see other fellow Asians enjoying FKKs but we're from north America so we act very differently than Asia Asians.

FKK sharks rating 9/10 only down part was construction otherwise it would've been a 10 out of 10. Thanks for everyone who gave me tips and advice before it really did help a lot and got me prepared!

The whole 50 for half hour thing honestly is debatable as some girls do offer it but don't expect the very pretty ones to offer it. That's just my opinion from asking many girls their prices. BBBJ wasn't included most of the time except for Alina but that was for 100 euros. And pretty much 150 gets you the BBBJ and fuck and DFK and CIM which was pretty much the standard when I asked.

I would definitely come back in the future just don't know when. Then the next day on Thursday we made our way to Oase. I will write up about it when I have time on the Oase thread. It was also amazing.

[Turgid]

Maybe some people want to know going rates when visiting a place for the first time? Maybe a good sex forum should be about educating each other about where to get best sex for their money? Maybe FKK visitors mostly are on budget and are highly interested to know about pricing? Maybe there are pimps around who spread fake news to drive prices up, and someone on the ground feel the need to put things straight?

I could probably find another dozen reasons.

Has been:

EUR50 for half hour CFS and BBBJ, EUR 100 for 1 hour etc.

EUR50 extra for CIM.

EUR100 extra for anal.

Has been the above for ages and will continue so until further notice.
Prices may actually go down seeing as the world's economy is in decline. Keep tuned in for official price list.

[Sirioja]

How does the motor show affect Frankfurt FKK's?

From other users' comments, it seems that it definitely gets more crowded, but does that also mean more girls?

Would it be better to postpone your visit to Frankfurt area FKK's so it doesn't coincide with the show?

Should be full casting for IAA business. Oase and Palace get more business than Sharks.

[Nick The G]

I really can't understand the constant debate about prices.

Why not? Reporting about paysex lifestyle for many is mainly talking about costs and conditions of how sex and which facet of sex becomes available for them (eg in german brothels and clubs).

[Shark16]

I really can't understand the constant debate about prices. Why can't the guys who pay EUR 100/150 for half hour and EUR 200/300 for one hour, etc. just be left alone to make their payments as well as others like myself who have numerous EUR 50 half hour sessions as well as some EUR 100 per hour.

Maybe some people want to know going rates when visiting a place for the first time? Maybe a good sex forum should be about educating each other about where to get best sex for their money? Maybe FKK visitors mostly are on budget and are highly interested to know about pricing? Maybe there are pimps around who spread fake news to drive prices up, and someone on the ground feel the need to put things straight?

I could probably find another dozen reasons.

[Turgid]

I really can't understand the constant debate about prices. Why can't the guys who pay EUR 100/150 for half hour and EUR 200/300 for one hour, etc. just be left alone to make their payments as well as others like myself who have numerous EUR 50 half hour sessions as well as some EUR 100 per hour. Earlier this year I had dozens of enjoyable EUR 50 half hour sessions with hot Eastern European girls most including BBBJ and expect to repeat same during my next visits to FKK land.

[Pistons]

Taking this further, media studies would suggest that highlighting cheap prices, or ways to get cheap prices (loopholes, bargaining techniques etc) adds a fuzz among potential buyers, and buyers markets. Adding positive publicity, and increasing the volume. However, this only holds true as a long term strategy when it has basis in reality. Otherwise it would be fake news and marketing breaking the laws. The idea that all publicity is good publicity stems from this, simply by putting the issues on the daily agenda. Now a lot can be said about having this on the daily agenda every day every week however. LOL!

[Pistons]

Let's talk economics?

Or lets all rather study this article:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_surplus

The question we all here are trying to discuss is related to the equilibrium. But this is a market demand issue, not something we can adjust here on the forum. And I do wonder how the clubs macro economic visitor numbers have gone year on year over the past 10 years. If we are to discuss the equilibrium, we would need data like this. And of course the CPI or median and average income (most likely the median is the best indicator). Also charts on visitors coming locally from Germany, vs elsewhere in the world. Etc etc. Until we have these numbers, it is just babbling we are doing in here.

Of course one can also discuss willingness to pay / bundling. And that may have more of an impact here on the forum. But that is more related to upselling, and not the basic price. However, bundling strategies (upselling) can have serious negative consequences / costs related to them as well. Historically one can look at how some of the first fax machines had a chip in them. A chip to slow them down. This chip had an extra cost related to them from the producers point of view, and fax machines with this chip was more expensive to make than fax machines not having this chip. The more expensive to make fax machines who did have the chip and were artificially slowed down, cost substantially less at the store than the cheaper to produce fax machines without the chip. The same thing can be the case when girls hold back services they usually had no quarrels doing a few years ago. And the hidden extra cost can be related to less repeat rooms long term.

So as we can see, economic theory is not so straight forward. And sometimes someone advocating for an higher income may reduce the total markets equilibrium and maximum willingness to pay. Volume, cost, customer satisfaction, environmental changes (travel / hotel / other markets) etc all play big roles.

[Sirioja]

USA or even in your home country France. If simply paying more could solve the problems of poor mongering options, then countries like USA, Canada, France, England or even Romania or Bulgaria would be our sex travel destinations; even you could stay in France avoiding thousands of kilometers driving or sleeping in your car under a bridge. Paying more to these WGs actually destroys (or prevents to flourish) the pay-sex markets, both for the sellers and the buyers; just look around the world and you will see so many examples of that.

I could stay at home going to rdv4 U or strollxxx Russian escorts, but even really difficult for me to find pretty girls in FKK and so disappointed by Globe casting now, but I find very few who are as pretty with even sometimes higher level in bed after few rooms together, and when escorts are on tour for 2 weeks and 200/250/ h, I prefer to marry a girl weekly for months, I did with many girls in many clubs, I m specialist for this and look forward to find next dreamed beauty to marry for love in bed. As I say to my friend: I would even prefer to go with only one, would be more real for my mind. Why I drive to FKK land, even had Russian nights in Paris for 200/250/300 with restaurant and perfume or Disney gift for child with little mums.

[Ortos]

Sorry Ortos but I disagree with this. Of course I can find in every Frankfurt big5 club a new girl for me that gives me an old school 30 minutes session for 50 euro. But sorry these girls usually don't interest me.

Thanks for your interesting comments and analysis, all of which is focused on 50/30 sessions. However, when I posted that "pricing has NOT changed... " I was specifically talking about 100/60 sessions. Sorry for not being clear about this. So the very interesting comments you make about 50/30 sessions, unfortunately, do not apply to my post or the point I was making, because I was talking about apples, and you were talking about oranges. Once again: sorry for not stating that I was specifically referring to 1 hour sessions for 100 euros.

About 50/30 sessions and any price / service changes now: I have no idea, because I don't usually seek this kind of "fast food" session. In fact, I think the only times I've paid 50 E for 30 mins in the past few years is when I go to the room with a new girl who turns out to be a "dud" or disaster in terms of attitude in room or service in room, so I end / abort the session at / before the 30 mins.

But I'd say over 90% of my sessions in past years have been 100/60 mins, and this, I have found, has NOT changed (for me, at least) even during my most recent visits which date back to July of this year. Every girl I've been to the room with over the months of May / June / July of this year (probably 20+ different girls in Sharks and Oase), whether a new girl or a girl I've seen multiple times over a longer period, has been very willing --dare I say very pleased!-- to have a full hour session with me for 100 euros. Yes, occassionally (esp more recently) one encounters girls who quote silly, off-the-wall pricing, such as "100/30" or "150/60," but these I've found to be anomalies, so I just laugh off these crazy offers and move on. So from my experience, even most recently at Sharks and Oase, the very vast majority of girls I run into and get interested in accept or even suggest by themselves the "normal pricing" of 1 hour=100 euros.

So I'd love to read your comments and analysis about whether there has been significant and across-the-board changes in the pricing for 1 hour sessions for 100 e.

[Brainium]

How does the motor show affect Frankfurt FKK's?

From other users' comments, it seems that it definitely gets more crowded, but does that also mean more girls?

Would it be better to postpone your visit to Frankfurt area FKK's so it doesn't coincide with the show?

[Sirioja]

Well, for me it's not only about the money I'm spending, it's also about respecting the culture and local practices that our so nice German friends have built over the decades. I hate to be part of an act of breaking the German FKK system and then we all will end up like what we have in USA or even your home country France.

But you can t ask everything to girls, they are free to refuse cheap even they need to make money for different reasons behind them. If you want to kiss them like your GF, being natural sucked for 10 mn and pound them for 15 mn like only can small size, when I have to be careful not to kill their vagina, 50 € even for a Romanian or Bulgarian born in misery is not much, when they have to pay 105 or 125 per day to work + taxi for some + cigarettes for most, and they don't want to spend 12 hours working to finish with 50 € in their bag. When I succeed to find a attractive girl, I prefer to repeat with her and I don't want to have to wait for her, this can be weekly for months, but can only work if this is fair, win win for both, if I was only a cheap 50 who want everything, I don't think the prettiest would play my game. I m not German, I think I m quite different with girls as they say, but I know have to be a fair game, even all is not only about money. For me, the good point is when girls ask when I will come again, or come when see me.

[Pistons]

Did the Cost of Living and / or Average Income increase by 33% in last 15 years in Germany?

https://tradingeconomics.com/germany...rice-index-cpi

Strange dip there a few years ago, but looks like maybe +12% or so. Which is crazy low, and answers why the euro is so strong even with its zero central bank interest rate.

Regarding the Thai quadrupling over the past 20 years. I honestly don't have info on Thailand prior to 2008 when I was there for my first time and hooked up with two hookers on vacation as they told me, and didn't pay a penny. But the boom seen in China in particular over the past 20 years, with their official no p6 policy at home. Something which has been taken more seriously in the past 6-7 years certainly has something to do with it. Japan is also crazy expensive in regards to this hobby for some reason, and the spill over effect from there now that flight cost dramatically fell, was a certainty. I suppose this is also part of the reason we find Asian hunting among the WG's to be more and more common.

But one thing to keep in mind. Chinese rate girls by nationality. In saunas in China / Macau, they put a pricetag on girls depending on nationality. And the more girls a certain nationality has, the lower the price. At least that is one way of analyzing it.

Now I haven't been in Asia for 4 years now, but I think soon prices there will normalize too now that the Chinese housing market collapses. And all the other domino pieces across Asia goes down with it. The spill over effects will heavily hit the Thai bath, which is mainly a tourism driven currency.

[Gino02]

For cheap sex, you know Dietzenbach close to Sharks. When Switzerland is on average not anymore higher level for looks even much more expensive, when my Russian escorts in Paris are not always prettier and higher level, if I find a FKK beauty who wants to behave like a GF in bed for me, then I will be very happy to spend 100 on her to enjoy her for 1 hour, what is my time standard in Germany and a good rate for a tramp like me who sleep in his car he loves so much, under bridge at Wellcum. I hate grocery for sex, kill my desire, high level girls don't speak about money. But most difficult is to find beauties with charm, then I will do the job to deserve from her.

Well, for me it's not only about the money I'm spending, it's also about respecting the culture and local practices that our so nice German friends have built over the decades. I hate to be part of an act of breaking the German FKK system and then we all will end up like what we have in USA or even in your home country France. If simply paying more could solve the problems of poor mongering options, then countries like USA, Canada, France, England or even Romania or Bulgaria would be our sex travel destinations; even you could stay in France avoiding thousands of kilometers driving or sleeping in your car under a bridge. Paying more to these WGs actually destroys (or prevents to flourish) the pay-sex markets, both for the sellers and the buyers; just look around the world and you will see so many examples of that.

[Sirioja]

Sorry Ortos but I disagree with this. Of course I can find in every Frankfurt big5 club a new girl for me that gives me an old school 30 minutes session for 50 euro. But sorry these girls usually don't interest me. Usually I'm glad I find one new interesting girl, and than I don't bargain with this girl about 50 euro. I want the best sex from this girl and no price discussion or reduced service level.

And be honest to yourself. You know Oase for a very, very long time. You know old top girls like Steffi, Judith, Linda F and more. Do girls on this level still work in the Frankfurt big5 clubs? My answer is 100% No. And why? Because they can't earn enough according her real value. Therefore girls at this level usually don't work anymore in German FKK clubs because earnings are too low.

No increase for the standard sex rate in Germany for more than 20 years. That's ridiculous, for instance pay sex prices in Thailand now at least for times as high as 20 years ago.

But at Germany pay6 sex prices should stay at the same level for ever despite the fact that the working cost for the girls get higher and higher every year..

Of course I m not so old in FKK land and I heard a lot about about the cheap who want everything for only 50 who don't interest girls as they say when they leave Sharks, but, and I m not into CIM or anal extra, and I hate Arabian market talk, I don't agree to repeat with girls who are more expensive than 100/ h. I had top beauties and in bed for me for 100/ h or 150 for 1 h30 , legendary top chic and elegance, super GF in bed Katalina for 200 for 2 hours and 2 rounds. I can be the best tip guy, driving a lot to repeat weekly and no one can compete on this, or just a one shot and no repeat. 100/ h for GFE sex like at home is my good rate in Germany, even 80 at Gold, 140 in Austria, Globe casting don't worth the rate now. Only 1 great discovery at Freubad. Ch on this Summer.