FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[Takedown]

For sure there are men who seek high optics and high services. But you somewhat alluded to the problem. If there are only two WGs in the entire club that you are willing to consider, then you can't really shop around for a better deal. So that means if the WG stands her ground, you are forced to agree to her terms, because you have no other viable options.

It's a possible problem if there were only 2 girls, or for guys who need to try lots and lots of new girls. For me, in large clubs with 75+ girls, the number of girls who meet the minimum optics bar is 6-10. At smaller clubs with 40+ girls, that number is usually 3-5. Factoring in girls that aren't working that day or are on holiday, that leaves me with plenty of options to not have to agree to a girl's terms, at least not on a regular basis.

The big issue I definitely see with high optic and service standards is the number of new girls to try. A friend tells me that he tried over 50 new girls last year in a little less than 100 club days. In comparison, I tried 12-15 new girls in under 50 visits. If I was an every weekend guy, there may not be enough girls. But as long as you restrict yourself to just Sharks and Oase, the 4-6 trip per year mongers or even a monthly monger, that should be enough women to choose from while not having to compromise service expectations.

[Pistons]

For sure there are men who seek high optics and high services. But you somewhat alluded to the problem. If there are only two WGs in the entire club that you are willing to consider, then you can't really shop around for a better deal. So that means if the WG stands her ground, you are forced to agree to her terms, because you have no other viable options.

True, but this is when you just pick girl #8 in the club randomly while having girl #1 and #2 watch you while walking to the room. And then skip the club for 6 months afterwards.

[Pistons]

Video explicitly states that they surveyed photo retouchers around the world. Presumably the type of people who would work for modeling publications. The core audience would be women.

With fly-in mongers, it is completely different. If they are fly-in sex tourists (and not in DE for business), then they actively made a decision to come to DE to monger. They probably have a strong preference for white European women. I normally survey a lot of fly-in mongers because I want to know about Thailand, Brazil or other venues. With fly-in Asians, it seems 50 percent of the time, they will say something along the lines of "I don't like Asian girls. Or I only like the mixed ones". With fly-in Whites, that figure might be 25 percent. That can't be true of the general population, because from what I understand, sex scene in Thailand is filled with Whites, Chinese, Japanese mongers. Meaning the men who fly-in to visit FKK may not necessarily reflect the tastes of men from their home country.

Maybe. And maybe they have a different story to tell two months later once they have checked in to their pattaya Airbnb flat.

Non-white fly-in tourists may feel less of an obligation to make excuses for fucking their own cousins (as a moldavian man I met once framed it). While fly-in asian tourists may feel a stronger obligation to go interracial due to concerns rooted in social norms.

If you are a white in asia, if you meet certain people, you need to excuse yourself all the time by claiming you are there for the culture or the beatches, and not the bitches (LOL). But if you meet an asian monger, you might need to use another tactic, saying that you are there because your cousins in europe interest you less, and so you are there for the bitches, and not the beatches.

In the end, I guess 50% and even 25% are probably high numbers from the get go. Every country on earth probably have good pussy. Even the least interesting country in the world for girls can possibly surprise. But a more believable story to tell would be that you are looking for change due to your polygamous nature.

[Der Auslander]

BTW it was a sausage fest in Sharks today. Its a sellers' market. Recently most days at FKKs are more men than women.

Not good! I was planning on visiting Sharks this weekend but I hate it when its gets too busy and hate it even more when the male patrons vastly outnumber the female entrepreneurs!

[Sirioja]

Ah, let me correct myself to cover all technicalities. This is the internet and all.

"I don't think anyone is explicitly saying that optics minded mongers HAVE TO sacrifice service for optics."

Why to pay to fuck a girl who is not attractive for look? What can be the pleasure with a GND? Only fucking her? Or gossiping?

Even difficult to find, but I prefer to pay for beauties, and I always thought, most of time, we make girls becoming good for us, from our behavior.

[McAdonis]

I don't think anyone is explicitly saying it, but I think it would be incorrect to say that an optics minded monger settles for poor service. The game is to find the highest optic provider who provides exceptional service. The biggest negative I find with this is that by mathematical logic, you would have to repeat somewhat regularly limiting the number of girls you can experience in your mongering career.

For sure there are men who seek high optics and high services. But you somewhat alluded to the problem. If there are only two WGs in the entire club that you are willing to consider, then you can't really shop around for a better deal. So that means if the WG stands her ground, you are forced to agree to her terms, because you have no other viable options.

[Sirioja]

Did you guys see how the Romanians were rooting for the Koreans in the Germany vs Korea world cup soccer match? They were jumping, shouting and cheering when Korea scored and eventually won the match. I was watching it in the bar area. BTW it was a sausage fest in Sharks today. Its a sellers' market. Recently most days at FKKs are more men than women.

On last Friday and week end before, slow business at Sharks, really no problem to get girls. Top class one was not busy, but she didn't want to have sex for club rate.

German team need a new boss like Beckenbauer or Matthaus, and a new Gerd Muller, too unefficient.

[McAdonis]

Beauty standards around the world:

https://youtu.be/UwD_dLtwiM8

Video explicitly states that they surveyed photo retouchers around the world. Presumably the type of people who would work for modeling publications. The core audience would be women.

With fly-in mongers, it is completely different. If they are fly-in sex tourists (and not in DE for business), then they actively made a decision to come to DE to monger. They probably have a strong preference for white European women. I normally survey a lot of fly-in mongers because I want to know about Thailand, Brazil or other venues. With fly-in Asians, it seems 50 percent of the time, they will say something along the lines of "I don't like Asian girls. Or I only like the mixed ones". With fly-in Whites, that figure might be 25 percent. That can't be true of the general population, because from what I understand, sex scene in Thailand is filled with Whites, Chinese, Japanese mongers. Meaning the men who fly-in to visit FKK may not necessarily reflect the tastes of men from their home country.

[JennyKk]

Did you guys see how the Romanians were rooting for the Koreans in the Germany vs Korea world cup soccer match? They were jumping, shouting and cheering when Korea scored and eventually won the match. I was watching it in the bar area. BTW it was a sausage fest in Sharks today. Its a sellers' market. Recently most days at FKKs are more men than women.

Germans must be so pissed. LOL.

[McAdonis]

Its a sellers' market. Recently most days at FKKs are more men than women.

At least on the days that Germany played, married men and men with GFs had an excuse to have a boys night out. Probably more common with the local immigrant men, since their significant other wouldn't care about how well DE plays.

[Turgid]

Did you guys see how the Romanians were rooting for the Koreans in the Germany vs Korea world cup soccer match? They were jumping, shouting and cheering when Korea scored and eventually won the match. I was watching it in the bar area. BTW it was a sausage fest in Sharks today. Its a sellers' market. Recently most days at FKKs are more men than women.

[Takedown]

Think again. As a reminder here is an excerpt from a post by Ultrahappy in the Oase thread:"I remember one time, when she hadn't been at Oase so long, I tried to explain to a group of Chinese guys I was chatting with that it probably made sense to avoid her due to her bad service. Then, one of the Chinese guys promptly ran off to the room with her. One of the Chinese guys explained to me, "You see, it doesn't matter how bad she is. We don't get to fuck girls that look like that in China. It's worth it just for the experience of being able to fuck her -- no matter how bad the service is. ".

Ah, let me correct myself to cover all technicalities. This is the internet and all.

"I don't think anyone is explicitly saying that optics minded mongers HAVE TO sacrifice service for optics."

[Pistons]

With regards to reaching this nirvana, I think race, years of experience, and whether the monger is a fly-in tourist plays a factor. For example, all the fly-in Asian mongers that I've talked to, only seem to find between 5 percent and 25 percent visually acceptable. Although one older local Asian gentleman that regularly attends Sharks is all about service. White fly-in tourists seem to be picky as well, but generally have a wider spec.

Definitely. Not to mention culture. Seen some videos on youtube about how westerners perception of beauty also changes after moving to China. In China, slim is almost everything it seems. And a V-shaped face. The cute kink is there also, same as in Japan, but it seems to be different than an american / Europeans taste in cuteness. While an american friend of mine who is slightly chubby and mongers in Asia all the time picks slightly chubby girls 4 out of 5 times. He has the money for anyone and picks anything. But he says he would take cute ahead of pretty any time, any day. And the slightly chubby ones have more fat than Mandy, which I feel is inside my acceptable range, although I haven't seen her in awhile now.

Beauty standards around the world:

https://youtu.be/UwD_dLtwiM8

Not really accurate since they have combined eastern Europe into one and western Europe into one. I do feel like they hit the mark on western Europe though. And out of the 7 options, it would clearly be my choice. No idea what's up with the american look there. I would rate her a 5 at maximum! Too much beyonce for me.

If you are from any of the other countries, do you feel it has hit the marks? I suspect it could be off on most of eastern Europe and perhaps north America.

[Turgid]

......I don't think anyone is explicitly saying it, but I think it would be incorrect to say that an optics minded monger settles for poor service.....

Think again. As a reminder here is an excerpt from a post by Ultrahappy in the Oase thread:"I remember one time, when she hadn't been at Oase so long, I tried to explain to a group of Chinese guys I was chatting with that it probably made sense to avoid her due to her bad service. Then, one of the Chinese guys promptly ran off to the room with her. One of the Chinese guys explained to me, "You see, it doesn't matter how bad she is. We don't get to fuck girls that look like that in China. It's worth it just for the experience of being able to fuck her -- no matter how bad the service is. ".

[MyTwoInches]

This is a good report. A bit too long, but that's acceptable.

A few things:

Viorica does give good service. I think I said the same thing here before.

Raissa Oase. Yes, she provides rim jobs. As do many others. My regulars do it for free, but I take long sessions.

A few of the names in your list do provide BBFS. Will not name names.

Steffi is boring. I can't see why guys think she is pretty. Ordinary GND face.

NAya is a Fox. I love butt fucking her.

Finally, you should be posting reviews under club threads. Not in Lounge. Your choice however.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/....php?p=2195394#post2195394.