FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[Sirioja]

What I have gathered from your posts is that just being with a beauty is a good session for you. You are a die hard romantist so just soaking in her 'essence' is a thrill. I am a down to earth libertine. I must bang hard in all conceivable positions with commensurate enthusiasm from my date. Obviously I will be disappointed in FKK but what is a guy who likes European dames to do? Especially now that the choice of non-Eastern European dolls is non-existent? Furthermore the existing crop is spoilt by the influx of 3-1-3-3 foreigners (3 inches, 1 position, 3 minutes, 300 euros) (300 e being an exaggeration in some cases). The Romanian providers being astute business women will gravitate towards their custom and are to be totally commended. However, what is to become of the monger who desires enjoyable coitus? Latin America, anyone?

You don't know me, but yes, I like to dream, not only with girls, so I try to achieve exceptional things, most would never be able to do. About girls, I m not attracted by GND, I don't like vulgar hunter, when at Globe they ask us if we had a wow experience, I look for wow look girls. Very difficult for me to find real beauties, which is first step for attraction for me, I don't like when GND come and touch me, when I found a beauty, then I will try to work to build her for my tastes, if she is woman enough. I don't beg to be sucked with girls, I do the job and wait if she wants to give me back. When you make cum girls, not only porn moaning, some say thank you, and most will to please you back. Most enjoyable for me is to get from girls without needing to ask. When I succeed to find a sensual GFE beauty, then I go only for her, because not many. I worked every week end for 8 months to find a new Eve, had 3 rooms with her, even she was not motivated to have sex for FKK rate, she had only 1 room with me on Sunday 17 and Friday 22 June and stopped to work. It was too short time at Sharks with her, but when I was looking at her blue eyes, smile, dark hard nipples, she was really a wow girl. Just a dream, but I drive for this, only looking for this, sex with GND is so boring.

[ExpatLover]

What I have gathered from your posts is that just being with a beauty is a good session for you. You are a die hard romantist so just soaking in her 'essence' is a thrill. I am a down to earth libertine. I must bang hard in all conceivable positions with commensurate enthusiasm from my date. Obviously I will be disappointed in FKK but what is a guy who likes European dames to do? Especially now that the choice of non-Eastern European dolls is non-existent? Furthermore the existing crop is spoilt by the influx of 3-1-3-3 foreigners (3 inches, 1 position, 3 minutes, 300 euros) (300 e being an exaggeration in some cases). The Romanian providers being astute business women will gravitate towards their custom and are to be totally commended. However, what is to become of the monger who desires enjoyable coitus? Latin America, anyone?

Why do you need to bang hard, you should speak with your psychiatrist about this. The normal man just want to be with a girl and have fun with her.

[Turgid]

Real beauties with sophisticated classy look are often not so busy, because common guys think they will not give good services, treating them like shit, just self esteem and self confidence problem, but for my experiences, the prettiest are the best in bed for my mind.

On 2 last week ends at Sharks, starting about 12 June, a new girl was so far higher all the others for her class and charm, just had to look at her shoes to understand, so different than the others, sitting not hunting, she didn't like FKK business, but I didn't see guys running to her, so it was very good for me, she did welcome me, I was her only client on Sunday 17 and Friday 22 June, a dreamed Eve. Too classy for FKK.

All the best for her, elsewhere, I was honored to have 3 rooms with her, even not a performer, but I would have liked to have more time with her and to create my new Eve.

Beauty and class make me dream.

What I have gathered from your posts is that just being with a beauty is a good session for you. You are a die hard romantist so just soaking in her 'essence' is a thrill. I am a down to earth libertine. I must bang hard in all conceivable positions with commensurate enthusiasm from my date. Obviously I will be disappointed in FKK but what is a guy who likes European dames to do? Especially now that the choice of non-Eastern European dolls is non-existent? Furthermore the existing crop is spoilt by the influx of 3-1-3-3 foreigners (3 inches, 1 position, 3 minutes, 300 euros) (300 e being an exaggeration in some cases). The Romanian providers being astute business women will gravitate towards their custom and are to be totally commended. However, what is to become of the monger who desires enjoyable coitus? Latin America, anyone?

[ExpatLover]

KK, I believe you and Turgid reach a level of nirvana that all hardcore mongers should strive for. I suspect both of you would find 75 percent of the LU visually acceptable. So for you two it is just a matter of finding someone who passes the interview, correct? I've met some local German and Dutch mongers who have reached this level. They told me exactly as you say "When I first started, I was like you. I only cared about optics.".

With regards to reaching this nirvana, I think race, years of experience, and whether the monger is a fly-in tourist plays a factor. For example, all the fly-in Asian mongers that I've talked to, only seem to find between 5 percent and 25 percent visually acceptable. Although one older local Asian gentleman that regularly attends Sharks is all about service. White fly-in tourists seem to be picky as well, but generally have a wider spec.

You can also have a different approach, in 15 years I sessioned more than 600 girls including 100 escorts with a lot of ON and several days together. My level of expectation are getting higher and higher and I only will select top girls even I will leave the club without any room or refuse to go the the room with a escort if she doesn't fulfil my expectations.

Why should I spend my time and money with average girls, sex is always very mechanical and the beauty is what matters for me. Why should I leave in a poor apartment if I can afford a villa, why driving a Korean car if can drive a Mercedes and son on.

For me in Shark there are only 3 girls I will go with, all the others are ugly for my eyes, the girl must have a beautiful face, very nice and soft skin and not looking and behaving like a *****.

[Kosher Kowboy]

KK, I believe you and Turgid reach a level of nirvana that all hardcore mongers should strive for. I suspect both of you would find 75 percent of the LU visually acceptable. So for you two it is just a matter of finding someone who passes the interview, correct? I've met some local German and Dutch mongers who have reached this level. They told me exactly as you say "When I first started, I was like you. I only cared about optics.".
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75 percent in the mainstream clubs, 95 percent up the road

Yes, that is a very good guess at a number for myself and probably one of the reasons why I lick my chops when I read ' the LU is not great' as I know it is probably less crowded, a buyers market and I am happy without the top percentile of girls there and Sharks Garbage would be a pot of gold in Austin TX. I love midweek mainstream club visits and getting there early. The pickings are great for my standards. Usually there are hotties always there and pigs as well and all in between so I will never have an issue finding a girl in any club. I am a service guy and I have no issue bagging up the low hanging fruits as long as they are in that 75 percent. I think that is a good ballpark number.

As long as they pass the interview you refer to.

As to mongering 'Nirvana' I think it can be reached at any age. It is all about finding out what works for you and always adjusting accordingly over the years and if one can do that they will permanently be in hobby nirvana but it is different for all of us. For me it was the acceptance I was nothing more than money to them. My times have been a helluva lot more fun ever since.

[McAdonis]

KK, I believe you and Turgid reach a level of nirvana that all hardcore mongers should strive for. I suspect both of you would find 75 percent of the LU visually acceptable. So for you two it is just a matter of finding someone who passes the interview, correct? I've met some local German and Dutch mongers who have reached this level. They told me exactly as you say "When I first started, I was like you. I only cared about optics.".

With regards to reaching this nirvana, I think race, years of experience, and whether the monger is a fly-in tourist plays a factor. For example, all the fly-in Asian mongers that I've talked to, only seem to find between 5 percent and 25 percent visually acceptable. Although one older local Asian gentleman that regularly attends Sharks is all about service. White fly-in tourists seem to be picky as well, but generally have a wider spec.

[Sirioja]

I believe that guys whose optic girls are not regarded as hot by the majority of blokes are lucky. Throughout my life I have viewed girls who are considered hot by the majority of men as, in fact, optics. However, I have reached the stage in my life where beauty alone does not do it for me. Also, my experience at FKKs is that the hotter the provider the worse the service generally. I much prefer to have a good performance by an average girl than a lukewarm one by a looker. Sessioning an optic means spending more money for poorer service, I'd leave such sessions for inexperienced mongers which I once was.

Real beauties with sophisticated classy look are often not so busy, because common guys think they will not give good services, treating them like shit, just self esteem and self confidence problem, but for my experiences, the prettiest are the best in bed for my mind.

On 2 last week ends at Sharks, starting about 12 June, a new girl was so far higher all the others for her class and charm, just had to look at her shoes to understand, so different than the others, sitting not hunting, she didn't like FKK business, but I didn't see guys running to her, so it was very good for me, she did welcome me, I was her only client on Sunday 17 and Friday 22 June, a dreamed Eve. Too classy for FKK.

All the best for her, elsewhere, I was honored to have 3 rooms with her, even not a performer, but I would have liked to have more time with her and to create my new Eve.

Beauty and class make me dream.

[Kosher Kowboy]

I believe that guys whose optic girls are not regarded as hot by the majority of blokes are lucky. Throughout my life I have viewed girls who are considered hot by the majority of men as, in fact, optics. However, I have reached the stage in my life where beauty alone does not do it for me. Also, my experience at FKKs is that the hotter the provider the worse the service generally. I much prefer to have a good performance by an average girl than a lukewarm one by a looker. Sessioning an optic means spending more money for poorer service, I'd leave such sessions for inexperienced mongers which I once was.

I am 15 years behind you I think you been doing this 45 years from another post but I reached the very stage you speak of several years ago. I fucked my share of beauties a million times over when I was a younger monger and you are right over the long run service levels lessen as looks go up. This does not mean that a hottie will give a poor session nor that a ugly will give a great one rather if you have thousands of hookers over many decades this trend will be more likely be noticed than unnoticed. If you told me that 15 years ago when 35 I would have laughed but today 15 years later in the other direction I agree 100 percent and with Optimist's post as well.

Another time, a stock I owned jumped up big time in after hours in the US equity market. It was night time and I was in Sharks when I checked the quote. I was suddenly in the money by a lot, rather unexpectedly. To celebrate it, I decided to splurge by taking a session with a girl who I normally would not take. Now, did this make any sense? No!

Makes sense to me

It is good I am headed there soon as for some reason in my trips over the last two years the market rallied hard about 75% of the time but than again we have been a roaring bull. Looks like a bear is staring at me in the face now for this trip. I usually check at about 4 PM over there as it is 10 AM in NYC and the market has had its opening and some trading time. Those overnight calls are risky, it is movement on extremely low volume which can get wiped out and a lot of that pre-market trading is movement without traders yet seeing where the Japanese, Chinese and European mainly the FTSE and the DAX settle at or how they perform. I got smoked out of the water much more than I won playing overnight. I stopped playing all together and just let it ride under the thought of ' it is not about timing the market it is about time in the market'; in the long run you win even with the down times as the bull's roar is much louder than the bear's stomp.

[Optimist]

Jnpr30. You are right. Best not to get attached to any bad experiences. Once a girl in a club asked me to teach her Zen meditation!. Not what I go to FKK for lol

BTW. Thank you for your very honest recent report on Sharks.

[Member #4581]

Personal mood swings can influence the choices we make in the clubs -- usually not in a positive way.

One time, I had a pretty negative session with a girl, something which made me go to the front desk for the only time in my life. Needless to say, I was miffed and stewing for a while after that. To "show her", I quickly did two successive sessions with girls who were somewhat borderline for me and who I would not have taken otherwise. Clearly, those sessions did little to improve my sourness.

Another time, a stock I owned jumped up big time in after hours in the US equity market. It was night time and I was in Sharks when I checked the quote. I was suddenly in the money by a lot, rather unexpectedly. To celebrate it, I decided to splurge by taking a session with a girl who I normally would not take. Now, did this make any sense? No! First of all, just going to FKK and having any session with any girl is a splurge. But I had taken the rather dumb view that somehow fucking the girls I normally fuck is part of my routine, something I already budgeted for; and I felt that I should use the unexpected windfall to use on a girl that I would not take normally.

In the end, it was a wasted session, and the bonus I wanted to give myself with my ill gotten gain turned into rubbish due to an irrational decision.

It pays to have a Zen mindset. Practice meditation perhaps and do some yoga? It has been a long time I can even see my toes standing straight, let alone being able to bend down and touch them. I guess that rules out Yoga for me.

[ExpatLover]

KK. You are right: there are no absolute truths. I have known many occasions where a guy has chosen a girl totally on the basis of reviews. But I like to think that for most of us the reviews are only a guide when we are otherwise unsure. Universal bad reviews can help when we have a bad feeling about a girl. So I go to a new club with a short list of girls who have got consistent bad reviews on the relevant German language forums. But if I have a good feeling about a girl then I will ignore bad reviews.

As for optics, again you are right. Whilst my tastes are not so catholic as yours, what counts is how I feel about a girl, as much as looks. One time I had been waiting for a totally beautiful girl to become free all day, model height, confidence, beautiful body. But when she finally came over to me (I rarely take the initiative) I rejected her, and immediately went with a 5 foot podgy mother who turned out to be my wildest fuck ever. The model looked at me daggers drawn and my favourite girl was furious "I cannot believe you went with THAT!

Sometimes though a high optic gives stellar service. One can't put down hard and fast rules.On my first FKK visit, to Atlantis, I chose purely on optics, and it wasn't until my fifth visit that I had a bad session but now it is a much harder game to play

The most useful acronym here is YMMV.

McAdonis. I am one of those Mandy refusniks you mention. Maybe it was because I had had a bad day dealing with the Precious Princesses at Sharks, but I felt sour and declined, thinking she was not my type. I know I missed a great worker but I think my mood would have subtracted something from her work. I used the "not my type" rationale to avoid admitting at the time my sour mood

Princesses of what of the bitches, are you willing that some of your female family member will be consider as the princess of Shark, who can remember the name of the princess of World, or Samya or Shark in 2013, just 5 years back.

[Optimist]

KK. You are right: there are no absolute truths. I have known many occasions where a guy has chosen a girl totally on the basis of reviews. But I like to think that for most of us the reviews are only a guide when we are otherwise unsure. Universal bad reviews can help when we have a bad feeling about a girl. So I go to a new club with a short list of girls who have got consistent bad reviews on the relevant German language forums. But if I have a good feeling about a girl then I will ignore bad reviews.

As for optics, again you are right. Whilst my tastes are not so catholic as yours, what counts is how I feel about a girl, as much as looks. One time I had been waiting for a totally beautiful girl to become free all day, model height, confidence, beautiful body. But when she finally came over to me (I rarely take the initiative) I rejected her, and immediately went with a 5 foot podgy mother who turned out to be my wildest fuck ever. The model looked at me daggers drawn and my favourite girl was furious "I cannot believe you went with THAT!

Sometimes though a high optic gives stellar service. One can't put down hard and fast rules.On my first FKK visit, to Atlantis, I chose purely on optics, and it wasn't until my fifth visit that I had a bad session but now it is a much harder game to play

The most useful acronym here is YMMV.

McAdonis. I am one of those Mandy refusniks you mention. Maybe it was because I had had a bad day dealing with the Precious Princesses at Sharks, but I felt sour and declined, thinking she was not my type. I know I missed a great worker but I think my mood would have subtracted something from her work. I used the "not my type" rationale to avoid admitting at the time my sour mood

[Turgid]

I believe that guys whose optic girls are not regarded as hot by the majority of blokes are lucky. Throughout my life I have viewed girls who are considered hot by the majority of men as, in fact, optics. However, I have reached the stage in my life where beauty alone does not do it for me. Also, my experience at FKKs is that the hotter the provider the worse the service generally. I much prefer to have a good performance by an average girl than a lukewarm one by a looker. Sessioning an optic means spending more money for poorer service, I'd leave such sessions for inexperienced mongers which I once was.

[Sirioja]

KK,

I agree turkish boys seem to have good leads on the girls and their presence in clubs is very consistent. I hear from WGs that Turkish clients often prefer strict 30-minute rooms to boost their self-esteem or something like that. And some girls wish to attract more Turks on busy nights like Friday and Saturday for making a steady flow of 50 euro notes without much pressure on DFK and DATY. Anyway, an inside into a Turkish review board would be an interesting read, if such thing exist.

According to girls, even some are rude for sex, but they are fast cumming like Asians, and no kissing, nor foreplay. 15 mn rabbit rooms for 50.

At Sharks, Asians don t seem anymore so easy for hunting girls, maybe why girls business seem slower than before. No Evita seen, but Elen is a new Asian specialist.

No upselling for my 2 week ends and 7 rooms with 4 different girls. All girls seemed happy for 1 h for 100 , my minimum standard to take time to enjoy, with smiles after. Viorica and Kim have real will to please, Kim was so cute with her: pretty man, not only usual: nice man, girls say at the end of the room, but rather than performances, even rather than behavior to really will to please, Mandy was working and was free on this very slow Friday afternoon but I didn't run to her, compare to class and charm who gave me a so smiling welcome. I thought to let her taking breakfast with another girl, but she invited me to join her and then didn't speak anymore to the other girl. For our 3 rooms, she was not a top performer, I had to be careful not to hurt her, but she let me play my games and it worked since first room. What a classy sophisticated beauty, what blue eyes, what a smile to contemplate, what a pleasure for my mind with such princess, even not perfect but a real 25 yo Romanian woman. We never talked about money, smart girls don t speak about money because they are clever enough to know it kills GFE illusion. Too short time with her, but she is not able to work in FKK land. I thought to advice her for Globe of course, my friend telling me: Since your previous Eve, even I had great girls and a exceptional German escort, but 8 months working hard every week end to find again such class, when my previous lost all her class and charm, falling now in low level business, but this business is too difficult for her, so I didn't, when I saw her stopping her day after our room which was her first of the day, on previous Sunday and on this Friday when she didn't want to work after, waiting for diner, inviting me again, like she didn't want other guys ask her, only 100 just to pay entry, eat, sleep and wait for her plane soon. Good luck to her, thanks for dreams. I drive for such girls, more attractive for me than only performers. I make my own performances with girls, even having most often to be careful, as white African.

Brasov should be interesting to visit, not for mountains, I have mine closer, nor Dracula, but many real beauties come from there.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Only time reviews seem to matter is when it is a tie-breaker scenario. Monger likes the look of three different WGs, that he picked with his own eyes with zero input from me, but he can't decide which one to take. If I say, "I don't know anything about first two you pointed out. But that third WG, I know three people that have gone with her. And they all liked her. " Then yes, monger will actually take her. But generally, they must have some level of visual interest first, otherwise recommendation falls on deaf ears.

I believe newbies, do as you say, come in with a list of "recommended" names, but I've never known anybody to blindly go with a WG based on how recommended she is in forum. Most men seem to be optic-oriented. Newbies have asked me: "So which one is this Mandy I keep hearing about?" Then I'll point her out. Then the guy will immediately respond: "She's not my type". Or sometimes, I will be sitting next to a guy who never reads the forum and I will say: "See that one over there. She's Mandy. She has the best reviews. If you like her, you better go talk to her now. " Then guy will take a look at her. And say "She's not my type".

I hope I am reading your reply correctly and replying accordingly, if not my apologies. I think you are right on about the newbies and ' the lists' they carry in but disagree that no guys (here at home and everywhere I have traveled) do not pick off reviews only. I have seen hundreds over the years do such. In fact the internet has made many a career and unfortunately many guys have been disapointed with their selection that fall in to that trap. However, I do agree that many guys will do just as you say they will use the names as a guide and decide to pass once a visual is had. Tons of guys in fact, you're right but I do not like to use ' always or never' as the reality always falls in the middle although it may lean left or right of the center if you bell shaped curved it. Some guys will go 100% off a review others will pass as you have correctly pointed out once they see the girl and I will also add others will pass even if the girl is on ' the list', is pretty (per your optics) as they may get a vibe service (more so my way) is not there. I am one of those guys myself. So I guess I disagree and agree with you and always think the middle ground is the reality. I do not like to use extremes on opposite ends of the spectrum, because all of us our different. We also evolve as mongers and shift within our own optics / service scale over time. The monger and monger style of myself in 1988 and in 2018 are very similar yet very different. That shift was half the fun

I know one guy quite well, perhaps better than others and he flies all the way to Germany from the Divided States of America and has chosen as his favorite club a place where the majority of men would consider the girls to be subhuman yet to this guy I speak of they are the Queens of all Queens. When he was 20-30 it was all optics, at 30-35 it was still optics and he knew everything or thought he did and at 35 he met a old man and thought he was stupid. Anyway, that old man called the guy a young know it all punk who knows about 1% of 1% of what mongering is all about and schooled that guy (was at the Beetle Bar in Jaco) all night long taking every girl the 35 year old wanted ahead of him. The 35 yr old missed the girl with the best service in the club (she was not the best looking) as he was only focused on optics. The 35 year old finally asked him what the hell was going on, listened and from that day on revamped his entire game plan to include a balance of beauty and service as well as tactics to beat others to the punch sometimes aiming high sometimes low balancing both optics / service perception like juggling two balls. Today that guy is almost 50 and balances all kinds of girls from ' ugly' to beautiful using the skills that old man taught him in how to pick out his hookers and walk away happy. This guy I speak of is myself. I also hope he (the older more experienced monger at the time) is resting in peace. He taught me more in those 6-7 hours that night as well as the following night than I have learned on the internet since 1992 when I joined a board that was a ' party of barking dogs' (some Yanks may know what I speak of but it is a reference to a board we can not mention even if it is no longer alive.

As to Mrs. Mandy Sharks as she seems to be a case study most can relate to here as ' we all know Mandy or of Mandy. ' You are right about her optics in the sense not all of us see her the same and you're right; several have posted or told me ' she is not all that. ' In my case the review consistency, a very low perception of YMMV (I sensed most get good sessions from reading) I combined with looks to make the decision to see her. I went with my gut. However you're right again w the visual part, I visually ' approved' her as well so spot on about guys being gung ho on a girl but passing due to looks. Tons of guys will not go off a review only, but many do and I will stand by that respectfully as we seem to differ a tad there. In Mandy's case I went crazy looking for that tattoo until I was sent some photographic intelligence and there was no question I was seeing her. I went to Sharks, found her right away as all systems were in place (had a little help) and the rest is history.

As to recommendation in clubs. I rarely listen and could give a fuck what someone I do not know well tells me (with exception) unless it is a negative and if a positive I want to hear it from a local club regular or a veteran roughly my own age simply because I relate to the older guys more but respect all. At Mainhatten a German told me ' you MUST see that girl'; I did. That was Greta. In Artemis a German told me the same and that was one memorable top notch session I wish I could find her. She told me she was from Cologne but the German told me really Leipzig that is closer to Berlin so for whatever reason she staged her hometown but he said she couldn't hide her accent. And finally in September 2017 I was dragged out of Sharks and taken to this dump about 20-30 km away. A German there told me ' pick her' and pointed to a girl sitting in back smoking. I picked her once again going off a local and that was the night I fell upon the spell of Nein Vashing and the quart of cum that leaked out of her when I pulled out at closing time.

Perhaps I went off on a tangent here but hopefully addressed your replies.

On a side note keep up the thought provoking posts. I see your style and mine (I. E. Approach vs non approach interpretations) extremely different but if it weren't for these differences we wouldn't have all these vast options. Well one thing is for sure, I do not thinking we will be jostling for position on a filthy red couch anytime soon.

Sorry this was so long but I am bored to death now!! Now please pick another topic so I can have something to do tonight!

And I am glad to see you enjoying yourself