FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[SethiatSpace]

I'm sharing my experience with others here and I did find it personally really impressive. So impressive I'm thinking to go back again this week or next week and skip Samya this time.

[SethiatSpace]

"Any girl that comes to you, you're free to grope her ass and tits. " You mean a girl who approaches you right? Not once you pay her. Obviously if I pay her I'm groping her all I want but that'll be nice to grope the girls hunting me so I can see what I'm working with.

(I am a noob by the way so forgive my ignorance.).

Yes, I'm talking generally in the club, not in the rooms. The unspoken rules are simple:

- Don't grab tits and asses on your way just because they're in your way and they look delicious, unless you are going to talk to the girl or you're a regular of her and she knows you.

- If a girl is trying to "seduce you", she is fair game, unless she makes it explicitly not so. For example, in Oase, I've had a girl stay a bit further for me and clearly told me a few moment later that I wasn't allowed to touch her unless we went in the room but it's very rare. Some girls will sit next to you so you have limited "groping access", others will sit right on top of you so that you have complete access to play with her ass while speaking. They won't mind.

- Don't grab like a madman while the girls are walking up the stairs or puting the sheets on the beds. Of course you can touch but take it slow, it's annoying enough for the girls to walk up dozen of step while in 20 CM heels without having to deal with added unbalance of someone grabbing their ass.

[Escape Artist]

We donf have same eyes, when I often saw Melissa not busy and on Friday 23 June on evening and night, like on Saturday 10 June, Valentina was really not busy, but turning around so many times, for a new girl.

And some do not have the same habits as I walk around, chat with a few girls here and there, grab a drink, talk to some tourist, talk to some locals, take a room, take a massage, take some sauna, take a smoke, socialize some more, repeat for a few cycles. And I saw Melissa for a total of 15 minutes on four visits the past few weeks and saw Valentina go to several rooms every day. Heck, I took her for 3 of them. But if one were to stand directly between the money lockers, stairs, and kitchen with arms crossed watching the girls for several hours, then perhaps it would seem that girls are always not busy as time probably moves quite slowly and one would get fixated by those moments when they see one girl and the mind is tricked into thinking those moments were longer than they actually were. It also helps if one's purpose is more motivated by true observations than appearing to be a club expert.

[Sirioja]

Well, you're obviously quite assertive, but I'm talking about the snowflakes who can't tie their shoes and need to report me to the Moderator Gestapo who enjoys getting fucked in the ass by that Midget French fuck. LOL!

When after all my posts giving informations, I m still moderated and not always published, don t be paranoiac when already not able with girls for more than grocery when no Globe rules to make robots for sex, when I get better, more fresh with my few, even only very few, girls at Sharks than at Globe since 2022 and for less expensive. 200/90 with a rare I will never find at Globe where I would pay 450/90 for less freshness. On Summer 2021 , Swiss Adriana told me she wanted to erase small tattoo on shoulder, but after few week ends at Globe, she made it bigger and so ugly, like many girls put silicon between Germany and Globe. Without door policy and more free girls, I enjoy more GG, higher level for me than Bruggen. I found 2 really high level enjoyed in much better rooms, best in Germany, when looking for same quality than for only real one car I prepared and powered with E85 to save our planet. Such a good guy.

[Sirioja]

Fitting for your specific experience since you said many times yourself that since 2022 you personally have visited many more Germans. For the majority of other people visiting FKKs including myself, there has been no decrease in English speaking providers and there will not be in the near future as English remains the common tongue especially with young people deeply engaged in internet viewing habits.

As said, assuming basic English speaking ability especially in FKKs and especially in Frankfurt, will yield higher success rates in communication with the majority Romanian providers. These young Romanians often say that they prefer to speak English as it is more useful for them and many have very little desire to learn German since most actually don't even like Germany and have little desire to integrate.

Yes, when before covid, I was mostly into Romanian beauties, but I find at Sharks or Globe, new Romanians fell for quality since 2022 , when Sharks increasing new rate attract some Germans from escorting or a part timer when You know on which days to visit. I meet less Romanians now but some speak more German than English, Lori / Loredana even claiming to be German. When Katalea arrived on July 2021 , she spoke only a little bit of english, even for my level. Had great rooms with few girls with who could hardly speak because they didn t speak English, avoiding bullshits, focusing on sex.

[CwaSally]

Don't be so harsh. It may be his first time with a prostitute and he may be shy. And let me tell you that you're wrong, it's not always included. Case in point, if you go to the RLD of Amsterdam, unless you make sure of everything and I mean everything, you will have girls who will refuse for you to touch them, some girls will even refuse to take off their clothes, just push aside their panties! It's not uncommon, over there it's a fucking joke. Even in Samya, one of the girl I went with refused to removed her heels in the room so she kept them on during the whole duration of the act.

But yes, as far as FKKs is concerned, groping is basically the basis of interaction. Any girl that comes to you, you're free to grope her ass and tits. It's good for business as she knows this will get you excited and some girls will even take and put your hand on her ass if she sees you're not so interested to get you to be more active.

If he asks for this, then it's clear he is a first timer and have no experience with prostitutes in general and will be an easy target.

"Any girl that comes to you, you're free to grope her ass and tits. " You mean a girl who approaches you right? Not once you pay her. Obviously if I pay her I'm groping her all I want but that'll be nice to grope the girls hunting me so I can see what I'm working with.

(I am a noob by the way so forgive my ignorance.).

[Sirioja]

Biggest quantity, but I don't find really impressive Sharks casting since mid February, but fortunately for me, I find very few but very interesting girls and I'm happy with them.

[Sirioja]

Of course not, because that would be the old (pre-2020) rate:

2 x 30 minutes for 50 Euros each: 100 Euros.

1 extra (anal) for: 100 Euros.

Total: 200 Euros.

So yes, I do agree with EA on this one: asking 200 Euros for a simple Fuck & Suck with barely any good kissing is extortion or price gouging, because that's more or less reality on the ground in 2023.

For relevance: what's the last time you were in Sharks?

Rather than paying Globe entry 95 for average foods and bad rooms with dirty beds and 150/30 for average looks, most who worked in Germany before and when I would never pay for Ariana who couldn't get business at Freubad, I much prefer to pay even 200 for a real more fresh beauty and GFE like I found at Sharks since October, on my last visits for 200/90 and enjoying these 4 beauties for 25 hours in beautiful rooms, most often with window for daylight, not in the dark to prevent to see defaults. I find Sharks casting on very average quality on 2023 , but with my eyes, I found some really high level and when I don't need rules to manage with women, I made to really enjoy them and repeat with all 4 , one even too tornado in bed for me, Ukrainian speaking Russian. Also 2 Germans and Lora until I discovered she was not as authentic as claimed, but no beauty like her at Globe. For less expensive, Sharks is higher potential for me than Globe and I know only GG for better value to enjoy real beauties. At Sharks, some new are for 80/30 and 130/60 , but 200 attract some Germans from escorting and then your way is your ability to manage about time she wants to spend in bed with you. Had great visits for 165 for entry with 40 mn, or 250/265 with 90 enjoyable mn. For fans, supermodel Kelli. Ro is at Globe. I don't see other reason to pay 95 entry.

[Sirioja]

On my visits, the only girl that seemed to be constantly booked was Melissa. But of the rest, Valentina was amongst the busier girls yet I never even saw her walking around hunting. She is pretty enough and looks elegant enough to get a room without ever sitting alone for more than 20 minutes. If she hunted like some others, you may never see her free.

But every girl except for Melissa would always be available at some point. I suspect that the availability of even the best looking girls is due to the lack of long rooms being taken. Even if a busy girl makes 10 rooms, the majority are only 30 minutes so you will always eventually spot them being available at many points throughout the day. Fridays and Saturdays may be different since those are "out of town" clients days.

Sometimes you see girls sitting with a guy for a while without going to a room because they might not feel that every minute needs to be spent making money, especially if they already cleared their entry cost or possibly already made a respectable sum of money for the day. On a less busy day, I took Lori, precovid Loredona, for a 3.5 hour room. But she spent a couple hours before and a couple hours after our session with me because she was not in money making mode. One client circled us at least 3 times waiting for her but she just wanted to relax for a while. The same guy even stalked us when we took a room outside at the far end of the garden when I saw him walking by at least once to check if she was free. I saw him circling one more time after I paid her but she was still not interested yet. Sometimes girls need to rest after a long room or even slowly ease into the day after a long night. She did take a few shorter rooms later in the night and probably still cleared plenty of money for a typically slower day at Sharks.

That is one reason to avoid busy weekend days at some clubs. You can get a better and more relaxed experience from the girls since they don't expect to make as much and are more willing to spend time sitting with a regular customer.

We don't have same eyes, when I often saw Melissa not busy and on Friday 23 June on evening and night, like on Saturday 10 June, Valentina was really not busy, but turning around so many times, for a new girl.

[HammerTime96]

HammerTime96,

With the exception of the good advice regarding saying, "not my first time," I can confirm that none of that is needed. I am of Asian ethnicity and I openly tell them that I don't live in Europe and don't get quoted prices any different than any local or other international visitor.

Well, you're obviously quite assertive, but I'm talking about the snowflakes who can't tie their shoes and need to report me to the Moderator Gestapo who enjoys getting fucked in the ass by that Midget French fuck. LOL!

[Escape Artist]

That's quite a bold statement and I doubt that it's true, but perhaps you're right. Please give us a link and show us the relevant section of the law instead of just vague insinuations.

On top of that, there is no law that prevents a club from refusing certain girls that 'do not fit into the overall concept. '.

Girls don't have an automatic right to enter Sharks, and like ANY other club, bar or restaurant, they can easily refuse certain people (misbehaving men, or overcharging girls) entry.

Have you ever been to Sharks (or any other club) and seen fully dressed new girls waiting near the entrance, hoping to be able to work in that particular club? Well, if it was so 'difficult' to dictate prices or service levels, then those girls would just pay their 110 Euros entrance fee, get a locker key, walk in and get to work ripping off customers with ludicrous prices, right?

The problem is IMHO that this Turkish guy who runs Sharks is quite a weak leader, to both men and women. Certain men (hint: especially during the weekends when it's not Ramadan) make a complete mess and act like total slobs (just look at the changing rooms, the restaurant area, or in the sauna), while certain women are allowed to rip people off. Most of the staff doesn't care, and no selection is made at the entrance. This is the biggest problem at Sharks IMHO.

The club's duties and restrictions:

https://www.buzer.de/gesetz/12217/a201358.htm

Full law:

https://www.buzer.de/s1.htm?g=ProstSchG&f=1

This one is difficult as laws are often not written as specific as you need.

For example, the "design of sexual services" or "Die Ausgestaltung sexueller Dienstleistungen" is to be determined exclusively by the prostitute and the client. However, does "design" or "Ausgestaltung" just mean the nature of acts or does it also include details such as pricing. This would be an important interpretation of the wording.

On the other hand, there is a provision where a club is obligated to provide a written agreement regarding services. It does not specify further if "agreements" or "Vereinbarungen" includes specific details of the agreement such as pricing but it seems to me that this leaves the door open for the clubs to dictate pricing. If the girls does not agree to the terms, she could go elsewhere.

As for the Turkish guests, in addition to your criticism which does have validity, the club and much of the FKK scene in general owes much of the post covid survivability to that demographic. I am certain that the first year after lifting restrictions, Turkish entries were the biggest source of income for the clubs. Without them keeping the club afloat during that time, we might have lost even more clubs and the line up at a club like Sharks would most certainly not have beefed up to the levels they are now without those guys filling the club, thus attracting more girls to come work.

Their importance is stressed even further for example when one girl complained last week that business is slow because it was a Muslim holiday. This shows to me that ethnic German and international business alone still cannot the support the clubs.

[Escape Artist]

HammerTime96,

With the exception of the good advice regarding saying, "not my first time," I can confirm that none of that is needed. I am of Asian ethnicity and I openly tell them that I don't live in Europe and don't get quoted prices any different than any local or other international visitor.

No need to make it that complicated, even less need to target one group especially one that currently makes up less than 1 in 100 visitors. In a couple weeks visiting clubs, I probably only saw less than 25 ethnic Asians compared to thousands of other ethnicities. Heck, I heard more French accents than I saw Asians.

Canary probably is thinking along the same lines as me. Locals still get quoted the same 100 e price a majority of times by most girls. The difference is that, in general, international visitors have more of a desire to make sure they hit the most attractive girls m during their shorter visit window whereas a local can forgo the paying the high price for their first choice and enjoy another girl of similar caliber and return for a session a few days or a week later and perhaps they may even succeed is achieving a lower price on repeated attempts. I am with Canary that searching for 50 e rooms at Sharks is not a good way to spend a short visit; however, not indulging in out-of-control pricing out of principal still allows for great rooms while not contributing to worsening prices.

[SethiatSpace]

Saying "hugging and groping" in Romanian? You're afraid of a "language barrier" for some basic terms that every WG knows or that you could easily describe?

Dude, by even asking such stupid questions to a WG you will make yourself look like a complete fucking idiot in her eyes, and you'll identify yourself as a total Simp ready to be ripped off.

Dude, were you some born yesterday? Are you serious?

Of course hugging and groping (tits, pussy and ass) is included, it's part of fucking someone! It's part of what people do in an FKK club: fucking! Have you ever fucked a woman?

I never met a WG who's ass, legs, tits or pussy I couldn't touch, but of course many girls want you to be gentle with her pussy. Unfortunately quite a few girls nowadays won't allow fingering (many men are pigs who don't even wash their hands after taking a shit, so understandably they don't want those disgusting fingers in their pussy and get an infection) so if if you like fingering her pussy then you better negotiate this beforehand.

Don't be so harsh. It may be his first time with a prostitute and he may be shy. And let me tell you that you're wrong, it's not always included. Case in point, if you go to the RLD of Amsterdam, unless you make sure of everything and I mean everything, you will have girls who will refuse for you to touch them, some girls will even refuse to take off their clothes, just push aside their panties! It's not uncommon, over there it's a fucking joke. Even in Samya, one of the girl I went with refused to removed her heels in the room so she kept them on during the whole duration of the act.

But yes, as far as FKKs is concerned, groping is basically the basis of interaction. Any girl that comes to you, you're free to grope her ass and tits. It's good for business as she knows this will get you excited and some girls will even take and put your hand on her ass if she sees you're not so interested to get you to be more active.

If he asks for this, then it's clear he is a first timer and have no experience with prostitutes in general and will be an easy target.

[SethiatSpace]

I don t know for Valentina I saw really not busy on some of my visits even new at Sharks, but some guys book girls for companionship, almost not going to room and fucking, maybe they are not able

I know some book long time for companionship. Even Saturday a German dude had booked Mira and her friend for the whole day (6 hours).

But I've noticed enough time in Sharks and Oase, girl just sitting and chatting with men, clearly not trying to go in the room and not booked / paid as the men would not touch the girls and the girls would sit at some distance.

[Escape Artist]

On my visits, the only girl that seemed to be constantly booked was Melissa. But of the rest, Valentina was amongst the busier girls yet I never even saw her walking around hunting. She is pretty enough and looks elegant enough to get a room without ever sitting alone for more than 20 minutes. If she hunted like some others, you may never see her free.

But every girl except for Melissa would always be available at some point. I suspect that the availability of even the best looking girls is due to the lack of long rooms being taken. Even if a busy girl makes 10 rooms, the majority are only 30 minutes so you will always eventually spot them being available at many points throughout the day. Fridays and Saturdays may be different since those are "out of town" clients days.

Sometimes you see girls sitting with a guy for a while without going to a room because they might not feel that every minute needs to be spent making money, especially if they already cleared their entry cost or possibly already made a respectable sum of money for the day. On a less busy day, I took Lori, precovid Loredona, for a 3.5 hour room. But she spent a couple hours before and a couple hours after our session with me because she was not in money making mode. One client circled us at least 3 times waiting for her but she just wanted to relax for a while. The same guy even stalked us when we took a room outside at the far end of the garden when I saw him walking by at least once to check if she was free. I saw him circling one more time after I paid her but she was still not interested yet. Sometimes girls need to rest after a long room or even slowly ease into the day after a long night. She did take a few shorter rooms later in the night and probably still cleared plenty of money for a typically slower day at Sharks.

That is one reason to avoid busy weekend days at some clubs. You can get a better and more relaxed experience from the girls since they don't expect to make as much and are more willing to spend time sitting with a regular customer.