Spermagames Bareback AO Gangbang Parties

[Tiger Genius]

For sure some men don't go to the parties because of the new law but also if the parties are completely legal I'm not too much interested in parties like this with only 3 pornstars (especially if I don't like 1 or 2 of them and maybe some men didn't want to pay the same price for half of the women) and reading on SG website seems that they made only show therefore some men can think that they don't make sex and maybe are not interested to fuck amateurs.

I had very good sex with some amateurs, especially one in Karlsruhe, one in Ulm and one in Wulfrath and Rheinbach but isn't possible to know if an amateur will be in the party or not and some Others amateurs didn't like to have sex with every men.

In Wulfrath normally the amateurs are many and active but in the Others places I never found many women in the parties, 2-3 in Rheinbach, never more than one in Karlsruhe and Morfelden and 4 in Ulm but only one was possible to fuck for me while the Others choosed only few partners for sex.

For me the amateurs can be a good plus but not the reason for go to the parties and I don't know if I will made a trip to Germany again only for sex, but maybe I will be there for other reasons in September or October and I will try one party.

[SwingerLover]

I can clearly see that it was completely pointless to return to this forum to straighten out some rumours. So I guess I'm going to quit again and you can see how you will do on your own.

The Regulatory Authority of the City of Rheinbach did already look into the new SG-Parties party-concept, after some Dirtbag competiotion had reported them. The concept got approved, they didn't find anything wrong with it, the party on July 6th went on undisturbed, with the few guests that had actually been there. 4 guest couples had been there and just around 20 men, one of them the one who told me about this. Too bad that I missed that party. The tests are still done because the guests want it like that. And private women who don't get recompense for sex are not covered by the ProstSchG, regardless whether the venue or event falls under ProstSchG applicability or not.

So the SG-Parties system works, despite of all the nonsense that's written here and elsewhere. Problem is that they can't run parties for just 15-20 guys. If they did, they'd be broke somewhere during next month. That's propably why they cancelled the Wülfrath-Party that was scheduled for July 11th. No use travelling halfway through Germany and back in order to take another loss.

And yes, this is definitely more water tight than the GB01 approach, because I can't find a thing in the ProstSchG that would exempt porn production from the scope of application.

Sure, if it's only some masturbation-porn flic with no other Persons involved, then that's not covered. If a woman gets herself a man (or more) for shooting porn for her own homepage, her MDH-Profile or some other platform and neither one of them gets any recompense for their sexual acts, than that's not covered by the ProstSchG either.

But I'm pretty sure, that GB01, as well as Spermastudio and MEGA-Extrem still have to pay the women a pay of artists for their action. If they don't pay them, then the law doesn't apply. If they do pay them, then that's a recompense for a sexual act, and the law applies, regardless whether it's a porn production or not. The exemption for "sexual acts of a solely acting nature" does not work here, because other Persons present are very much actively involved.

I had already suggested this course of action to Sexy-Susi nearly 2 years ago. Her husband then waved it away immediately, for the reasons I have just pointed out. Don't you thick that a clever guy like that would not have jumped at this opportunity immediately, if it were at all possible? Instead he was the first one to wave it away.

What will go on undisturbed are the porn shootings of Sexy-Natalie in NRW and Melanie Moon in Kaiserslautern, because neither of them is asking for any recompense for sex.

So you can fuck Melanie for free, if you bring a test of your own. If you have one done on-site, then it costs 30 €, she has been doing her porn flics this way all year long. And she doesn't have to pay anybody for sex.

Others propably do. And whereas MEGA-Extrem seem to be on extended summer vacation (as usual) and Spermastudio seem to carry on as before as if nothing has changed, GB01 now declares that the parties that used to cost 100 € are now for free, but the tests that used to cost 30 € now cost 100 €. And in addition, if you don't register more than 48 hours in advance for the production in Stuhr on July 15th, the test will cost 120 €. Now who's going to believe that?

I don't want to rain on their parade, but I believe that this course of action will put the participating guys under full jurisdiction of the ProstSchG. So do as you please. But don't say you weren't warned when you get a fine for up to 25000 € for fucking a prostitute without condoms. In this case, prosecution should happen very quickly, since there is physical evidence of the disorderly conduct in form of a film, a contract and an IDshot.

[Myrrh]

Ok, so Jessy Jay, Linda Lush, Gundula, etc DO get paid, but do NOT perform sexual actions with the male guests present? Certainly a reason not to come to these "parties" anymore. Only the amateur couples / wifes who do it for free are available for sex? Much like a swinger club, and then indeed this is not covered bu the new law.

Or different things happen there than advertised?

So this is the brainwave that SG have been working on over the past 2 years since it became known that the law was coming into force?

SG will have the same performers as before but now they perform a few twirls around a pole and spray themselves with water in a 'water show' before towelling themselves down and then getting down to the gangbangs as they did before the law change. The performers get paid only for the strip shows and not for the sex which is gratis.

The authorities spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money on bringing in this new law but they did not see this coming? Who is going to volunteer to write to the authorities and say "Dear Mr Legislature, let me the first to tell you just how truly dumb you really are".

The authorities are not going to see through this farce and bring a court action that the strip shows are just a front for what is clearly illegal activity? The adverts for the events by SG make clear in writing that attendees are obliged to undertake an HIV test before they are granted entrance. So clearly sex is planned rather than the performers deciding, on the spur of the moment, that they were so turned on by the strip show performance that they had just given that they just had to have impromptu sex with the attendees for free right there and then.

Apparently this approach is far more legally water tight than the SS and GB01 approach of getting guys to register as actors for film productions? It would seem that you don't need highly paid lawyers if you can find a simple loophole like what SG stumbled upon.

Do I hope the SG approach works? To be honest I don't care either way. It is the same MILF, thick cut performers as before many of whom have attitude problems that are well documented. The only difference now is that you will have to sit through some boring 'crazy showtime / water dream act' shows before there is the chance of having any sex with the milfs.

I just hope the randy male stripper does not come anywhere near me after his show!

[Opium]

I booked into this July 11th event and lo and behold it was canceled due to a lack of interest.

http://www.sg-parties.com/

That's too bad as it appears that there were 12 couples booked to go as well. I was really looking forward to this.

[SwingerLover]

Wow, months of silence and now this comes out.........?

At least now I don't get to read Bullshit about a "law" that didn't exist last year.

Ok, so Jessy Jay, Linda Lush, Gundula, etc DO get paid, but do NOT perform sexual actions with the male guests present? Certainly a reason not to come to these "parties" anymore. Only the amateur couples / wifes who do it for free are available for sex?

What women do privately on their own time is no one's business than their own.

Question: Do you think a barkeeper is prohibited from having drinks at his workplace after his shift is over?

Here's another one: Do you think Gundula isn't allowed to let herself get fucked for free? Nuff said!

Much like a swinger club, and then indeed this is not covered bu the new law.

You got that right.

Or different things happen there than advertised?

Everything that's advertised happens.

Happily some organizers have better lawyers.

I doubt that. GB01 for instance don't seem to have any lawyers at all, judging from their ads. Be careful with having ID shots done; from now on this may or may not make you an accomplice or an auxiliary person / vicarious agent. And speaking of GB01: What exactly happened to the five-figure sum of money they collected 2 years ago, supposedly to be used to file a lawsuit against the ProstSchG?

Enjoy the non-sex strip shows SL!

Thanks, I will. They are quite good. And a very nice bonus in addition to all the fucking going on.

[Myrrh]

Wow, months of silence and now this comes out.........?!

First paid AO sex becomes banned in Germany and now this happens. Two pieces of extremely bad news in the space of just one week. I could understand everyone becoming so depressed over this that they would want to just give up.

[Maxime]

Wow, months of silence and now this comes out.........?

Ok, so Jessy Jay, Linda Lush, Gundula, etc DO get paid, but do NOT perform sexual actions with the male guests present? Certainly a reason not to come to these "parties" anymore. Only the amateur couples / wifes who do it for free are available for sex? Much like a swinger club, and then indeed this is not covered bu the new law.

Or different things happen there than advertised?

Happily some organizers have better lawyers.

Enjoy the non-sex strip shows SL!

[SwingerLover]

after July 1st, since then GB / parties / flat-rate / etc are forbidden in Germany (regardless with or without condom). Only closed/registered film productions willbe allowed.

Where in the world did you get that bullshit from?

As I already told and wrote numerous times on other occasions (not here on ISG though): Show me the paragraph in the prostitutes-protection law (ProstSchG) where it says that Gangbangs and Flatrate are forbidden! I had scrolled through the text of the "law" several times and couldn't find either of those words. Only the first "Referentenentwurf" from August 2014 had contained a ban of R.A.P.E.-gangbangs. But even that is not to be found in the actual "law" anymore.

As for the closed/registered film productions, you are beyond deluded.

I predict, that especially GB01 will be the first ones to be ground into mulch. Those guys obviously haven't read a single word of the "law".

Here's the basic turning point around which the whole thing revolves:

§ 2 ProstSchG: (1) 1 Eine sexuelle Dienstleistung ist eine sexuelle Handlung mindestens einer Person an oder vor mindestens einer anderen unmittelbar anwesenden Person gegen Entgelt oder das Zulassen einer sexuellen Handlung an oder vor der eigenen Person gegen Entgelt. 2 Keine sexuellen Dienstleistungen sind Vorführungen mit ausschließlich darstellerischem Charakter, bei denen keine weitere der anwesenden Personen sexuell aktiv einbezogen ist.

(2) Prostituierte sind Personen, die sexuelle Dienstleistungen erbringen.

Translation: (1) A Sexual Service is a sexual act of at least one Person on or in front of at least one other immediately present Person for recompense, or the allowance of a sexual act on or in front of the own Person for recompense. No Sexual Services are presentations of a solely acting nature, where neither of the other present Persons are actively involved.

(2) Prostitutes are Persons who provide Sexual Services.

In layman's terms: If a recompense (money or something else) is given for the provision of a sexual act, than that's a Sexual Service to which the "law" would apply.

Since GB01, Spermastudio, MEGA-Extrem and such have to pay the women a fee / salary / pay of artists (or however it's called, in Germany it's called a "Gage") that's a recompense for sexual acts and therefore a Sexual Service. So according to the ProstSchG, the actresses are prostitutes and the law applies. If the men don't have to pay for participating, that's beside the point; as long as the women get paid, § 2 (1) and (2) of the ProstSchG applies.

If the women don't get paid, then the "law" does NOT apply. That's the case if a woman invites guys to shoot a film for her MDH- Big7- AC-profile or some other movie-selling platform or her own homepage. Melanie Moon's filmshots for instance are NOT covered by the law, since she doesn't take any money for sexual acts; you only pay 30 € for the test, drinks and snacks and the use of the location, along with towels and showers. Like at this event tomorrow: http://frivolpartys.com/termine.html.

What's also not covered by the "law" is an AO gangbang like this one, where private women also don't get/take any money: http://fickanzeigen.net/sexpartys/in...?id=1498150976.

And SG-parties aren't covered by the ProstSchG either, since they have changed their party concept in a way that gets them off the hook completely. Since there are so many private couples at the SG-parties anyway, they don't employ any prostitutes at all. Therefore the "law" doesn't apply. The only recompense that is paid is the pay of artists for the showgirls and the male stripper. Since "presentations of a solely acting nature, where neither of the other present Persons are actively involved" are explicitly exempted from being defined as "Sexual Services", the "law" doesn't apply to that either. The ProstSchG doesn't apply to SG-parties. So go ahead and bang yourself silly! (The crying shame is that only 16 guys showed up for the party in Mörfelden on MON July 3rd for the 5 couples and 2 women that were there. Report on that will follow in the Bareback AO thread. I'll not post that here, because this thread is dead. There is no Spermagames anymore. It's SG-parties now.)

[Maxime]

Myrrh report is exactly my experience at SG, and since I refuse to go with old and heavy MILFS, I avoid SG and enjoy the (young) girls with good attitude at GB01 (most of them, at least, Jamie Jadon for instance is never a good bet, even not when at GB01).

[Tiger Genius]

This time I agree with Myrrh and for me the parties were better with the same old milfs but I was lucky to not find this women togheter in the same party when I decided to go in Germany.

The good news is that Angelina is announced for other parties after the last in Rheinbach as amateur, I think that for the organisers was easy to see the difference between her, Tara Sky and Roxxy in that party and they made a good move.

[Myrrh]

I have been highly critical of Spermagames over the past couple of years or so, much preferring GB01 parties to the 'same old milfs' that SG used to serve up at their parties.

But I think things have changed over recent weeks. Some of the younger girls that used to perform at GB01 seem to have switched to SG. These include Lollita Devil, Tara Sky, Jessy Jay and Penny Payne. The last two being the most notable in my view.

I only saw Jessy Jay once at a GB01 event. She is young, slim, good looking and an extremely enthusiastic performer.

Penny Payne is equally young, good looking and a tireless performer. The guy that runs GB01, Frank, was always fawning all over her at parties putting his arm around her and cuddling her all the time when she was not busy in sessions. You would be forgiven for assuming that she was his girlfriend. The guys would tend to gravitate towards her rather than the other girls and she basically carried the show. So not surprising that he was so fond of her.

Some time ago I posted that it seemed that some of the younger GB01 girls that used to frequent GB01 were now migrating to SG. I mentioned Penny Payne, Jessy Jay and Tara Sky specifically.

As SG seemed to at last be changing it's 'same, old milfs' tune I thought that I would give it another go recently especially as I had not been for quite a while. There was one event where the above three women were going to be represented plus a new, seemingly young, girl called Ela.

First up, a mistake. I had mixed up Jessy Jay with Jara Jay from GB01 when I had posted that Jessy Jay had switched from GB01. One was in her twenties, slim, attractive and when I saw her once at GB01 she was leaping around a bed eager to catch sperm in her mouth or licking it off the bodies of the other girls or lying back with her head hanging off the bed being deep-throat whilst her legs were wrapped around another guy happily being banged. http://www.p-p-p.tv/sc_frau.php?id=132. The other is a woman in her thirties, not particularly attractive in body or face who I found out has a miserable, crappy attitude. http://www.p-p-p.tv/sc_frau.php?id=163.

But anyway, Jessy Jay was advertised as doing anal and sandwiches so she was probably worth a try?

Tara Sky was overweight when I saw her at GB01 but was friendly and willing. As for Penny Payne, she was a star at GB01. Young, slim, attractive and taking cock after cock without stop under the watchful, approving gaze of Frank. I was looking forward to seeing her again.

The event that I attended recently at SG unfortunately was a crashing failure.

Jessy Jay was the only one of the girls mentioned who ever went up into the spacious, open area at the top of the Karlsruhe event. The others all went into one of the smaller rooms downstairs where they could only have sex with one or at most two guys at a time with a large crowd of frustrated guys unable to participate. In the good old days, in that upstairs area, I would watch 3, 4 or more girls at a time simultaneously taking on many guys.

However now in the upstairs area I watched Jessy Jay on her own surrounded by a crowd of men somehow managing to keep them all at bay. Snarling, snapping, barking at them and only taking one guy at a time for what looked like brusque, rough and perfunctory treatment. She seemed to be spending the whole time grumbling and complaining whilst servicing each guy. Sometimes even slapping other guys hands away when they reached out to touch her when she was with a particular guy.

I don't speak German so I don't know what she was complaining about the whole time. Although when one guy mentioned 'Arsch' (she was advertised as doing anal and sandwiches that day) she gave him such a scolding look that he almost jumped back one foot.

Strangely, the nasty attitude of JJ seemed to have been transmitted to the other girls. Tara Sky was not the smiling, bubbly blonde girl that I remembered at GB01. Instead frowning, irritable and seemed to have adopted the JJ approach of sitting on the bed having on-going, waspish conversations with the guys around her, snapping at them, slapping hands away and only doing what she felt like doing at the time. So only doing blow jobs if she felt like it otherwise hand jobs, only one guy at a time, only moving into the positions that she wanted to move into. Also her thighs had now spread to such generous proportions that they made Roxxy's seem slim.

Worst of all was my disappointment with Penny Payne. I almost did not recognise her at first. She had cut her hair brutally short and had filled out so that her figure was now blocky rather than slim and curvaceous. She looked like a butch lesbian tennis player tbh. Also, she seemed to have been infected by the same lethargic attitude of the other two mentioned. So doing one or two guys at a time very unenthusiastically. Taking long breaks and having on going conversations even during sex. At GB01 she didn't talk as much as her mouth was full of cock most of the time.

It was strange that a girl could transform in appearance from something attractive to not particularly attractive in under a year but worst of all was the unenthusiastic attitude and poor work rate. I have criticised Frank at GB01 a lot because of his unsmiling, stern attitude but I don't think these girls would be so indulgent and lethargic at a GB01 event, as they were at this place.

I mentioned Roxxy because she was also present and seemed to be the only one behaving as she normally would. So lying back and taking cock in her mouth and pussy, guy after guy, with the minimum of fuss or back chat. I have mentioned many times before that I don't find her attractive in face or body but given the poor attitude of the other girls I was tempted to try her.

Ela, who was supposed to be the new young girl, didn't turn up at all.

There was one other girl present. A chubby girl with round shoulders and a pot belly. So not particularly attractive in my eyes. She had not been advertised so I don't know whether she was an amateur swinger or had been brought in to replace Ela. However she was noticeably keener than her colleagues. She was always crashing in on the sessions that the other were having and trying to initiate a bit of lesbian action and more than eager to by banged by the guys without complaint. I just hoped that she got a share of the money because was a lot more enthusiastic than the jaded 'professional' porn stars that were billed.

It was the first time that I have been to a gangbang by one of the major providers, SG / SB / GB01, where I was thinking that I am at a really at a loss as to what to do and that I am not sure whether I am going to bother to try any of the women, mainly because of their crappy attitude.

It was too late to change my day ticket into a '2 stunden' ticket to at least try and save a few euros and it was a long, 4+ hours slog back to the NRW area where I could have a more enjoyable AO time at an RTC with better looking women, and more importantly, women with at least a modicum of enthusiasm.

[Maxime]

I checked their Twitter and they tweeted on 18th that post 1 July the parties will continue at SG. Still waiting to see any update on their site though.

Indeed they seem to continu, this is the message on their current website:

"Liebe Gäste, ab dem 1 Juli 2017 findet Ihr alle Infos / Termine unserer Events auf: www.sg-parties.com.

Wichtig: Ab Juli theürfen nur noch angemeldete Gäste unsere Partys besuchen. Deshalb meldet Euch über die Homepage oder telefonisch an. Neues Forum".

So they will have a new website and you need to pre-register.

If this legally is enough, we will see (only closed film productions where actors don't pay for sex (but for other things) and are registered with FotoID are allowed from July onwards).

[BatStroke]

Thanks for the report TG, good stamina!

Will be curious if / how SG will cotninu after July 1st, since then GB / parties / flat-rate / etc are forbidden in Germany (regardless with or without condom). Only closed/registered film productions willbe allowed.

I checked their Twitter and they tweeted on 18th that post 1 July the parties will continue at SG. Still waiting to see any update on their site though.

[CeeJay1]

Jessy Jay was surrounded by men at the beginning of the party, I tried one time later but my dick wasn't more ready; I don't like her attitude at the end of the party when she didn't help the men to made something with her and stopped two round before the end

Her attitude usually stinks from beginning to end. I wouldn't go near her if she was by herself and the only one available. I would just cut my losses and leave.

[Maxime]

Thanks for the report TG, good stamina!

Will be curious if / how SG will cotninu after July 1st, since then GB / parties / flat-rate / etc are forbidden in Germany (regardless with or without condom). Only closed/registered film productions willbe allowed.

IntimDreams, LauraPink, GinaBlond, etc already confirmed stopping. I assume for SG this is the same? No more parties announced after June 30rd on their website.