Erlebniswohnung GangBang Club - Berlin

[VonderJohn]

Reading (with google translate) some of the German language forums it seems as though the EW apartment has actually improved a little this January with shorter hours, lower prices and at least according to some, better action and less waiting! Can anybody confirm this who has visited since the new year? And VonderJohn, have you been recently to any Tuesday events at Insomnia. And if so, how would they compare to EW? I have one Tuesday coming up in a few weeks where I can choose one or the other. Either way, I will review it, but want to make the best decision. Thanks in advance to anyone who can keep these pages alive with some reviews!!

Hello,

So to answer your question, yes I've been into multiple Tuesday events at Insomnia. I've also tried their Thursday and Saturday events. To make it brief, here's how I rank them:

1) Saturday Night Fuck.

2) Thursday events.

3) Tuesday (International sex affairs) . Ranks equally with almost any ERW day.

The thing is, Tuesday events are mixed and include new and old visitors. They are international, so you may end up having tourists, visitors, and new comers who are not used to the concept or are simply not active sexually. So it really depends on your luck. You can hit or miss. Its far from being a guaranteed pleasure. Very much depends on the quality and demographic of the crowd.

Thursday events are more promising. They are longer, have more people and so more chances for shagging. If you're patient enough and come in the right time, you can secure 3 shags in a span of 6 hours on Thursdays in Insomnia. Almost equal to the number of shags you can get from a full day of ERW.

Saturday Night Fuck events are the most popular, most sexually active and more entertaining. But they are very rare (once every month).

I recommend you try Tuesdays. But with very modest expectations (one or two shags). But have more hopes for Thursdays. Although they are more expensive, my experience showed me that they're worth it. Once, over two weeks, I tried two Thursdays and one Tuesday in Insomnia. And only one day at ERW. The ERW day was not worth my time and expectations.

So yeah, go for Tuesdays at Insomnia. But Thursdays too.

Enjoy the fun.

[AssLover46]

Reading (with google translate) some of the German language forums it seems as though the EW apartment has actually improved a little this January with shorter hours, lower prices and at least according to some, better action and less waiting! Can anybody confirm this who has visited since the new year? And VonderJohn, have you been recently to any Tuesday events at Insomnia. And if so, how would they compare to EW? I have one Tuesday coming up in a few weeks where I can choose one or the other. Either way, I will review it, but want to make the best decision. Thanks in advance to anyone who can keep these pages alive with some reviews!!

Hey Fake It.

Just wanted to dearly thank you for the time and effort you spent in providing us with all these details.

Your experience relates a lot to what I've recently witnessed too:

1) The long hours of waiting with no action.

2) The hungry crowds over a single pussy.

3) The occasional good ladies providing good fucks.

4) The very boring, cold, no-feeling, no-reaction Ariel Cuba.

I've been visiting Insomnia (on specific nights) more than ERW because of the decline I'm seeing at ERW. I will probably visit more often if the performance improves. I'm still hopeful. Not sure about you guys.

[VonderJohn]

Hey Fake It.

Just wanted to dearly thank you for the time and effort you spent in providing us with all these details.

Your experience relates a lot to what I've recently witnessed too:

1) The long hours of waiting with no action.

2) The hungry crowds over a single pussy.

3) The occasional good ladies providing good fucks.

4) The very boring, cold, no-feeling, no-reaction Ariel Cuba.

Your description of the train was funny. This does happen sometimes when there's a passionate lady ready and strong enough to take it. I'm glad you had that.

Yet in my view, I think Mustapha is relying too much on his past reputation at Karl Marx, the word-of-mouth and the lousy website. More effort should be spent in reaching out to new customers but also, more effort and money should be spent on recruiting newer and better ladies. He should start thinking on the lines of "what would make more ladies cross the distances and come more consistently? More money? Extra tips (from the customers or Mustapha) for good performance? Other benefits? Depending only on giving the ladies a per / hour or per / day rate is not attractive enough for the ladies, in my view.

I've been visiting Insomnia (on specific nights) more than ERW because of the decline I'm seeing at ERW. I will probably visit more often if the performance improves. I'm still hopeful. Not sure about you guys.

I made a few visits here over in the last two weeks. They were open throughout the holidays, and since Artemis was closed for most of these days, they offered some relief.

First I'll recap on what has been reported already: It is still one girl per hour. If you are there from 6 PM onwards there should be about three to four girls on rotation. There will be about 10-25 guys in each session. CBJ is the norm but BBJs do happen, just keep an eye out for it. There is an etiquette to gangbangs and most (including the girls) know it. If someone is out of order, make it known that you are waiting and the offender will usually get the hint and move 9 times out of 10.

First visit on Dec 21st:.

[Fake It]

I made a few visits here over in the last two weeks. They were open throughout the holidays, and since Artemis was closed for most of these days, they offered some relief.

First I'll recap on what has been reported already: It is still one girl per hour. If you are there from 6 PM onwards there should be about three to four girls on rotation. There will be about 10-25 guys in each session. CBJ is the norm but BBJs do happen, just keep an eye out for it. There is an etiquette to gangbangs and most (including the girls) know it. If someone is out of order, make it known that you are waiting and the offender will usually get the hint and move 9 times out of 10.

First visit on Dec 21st:

Celine was my clear favourite https://www.erlebniswohnung.com/profile/3780/celine . She has a bubbly attitude. Very cute and young German blonde with a tight body. She was friendly and made sure everyone got a turn. Ariel Cuba https://www.erlebniswohnung.com/prof...6/Ariel%20Cuba was the workhorse of the bunch. She was in the room most often. But I found her boring. She makes no effort in her look. She is just wrapped in a towel and wears flip-flops all day. She looks like she came up through a flat rate. I skipped her. She did not make for good viewing either. There was one more that may have been Rachel https://www.erlebniswohnung.com/profile/39/Rachel. She was much older. But seemed like she had a good attitude and was offering BBJs. I skipped her. Older hippie chicks are not my bag. Black Swan was there https://www.erlebniswohnung.com/prof.../Black%20Swan. Although because of a negative experience I had with her at Royal earlier that week, I was avoiding her. She gave me a death look at one point, which confirmed that I should stay away. No loss. I noticed that she was very pushy when in play, ordering the guys around. Felt relived that I didn't ruin my chances with some kind of super star performer. I only came once that day with Celine during a CBJ. No one else really did it for me.

Second visit on Dec 24th (Christmas Eve Party).

I spent more time with Celine. Who is great in all sorts of positions and with her CBJs. I came once in doggy with her as soon as I arrived. There was a new girl https://www.erlebniswohnung.com/profile/3934/Nita who was an English speaker from Georgia. She was fresh and young and strangely very shy. She kept getting up to close the curtains. She shoo Mustafa out of the room when he was doing a spot check. She tended to burry her face down and avoid eye content when in play. I came once with her in boggy. She is a bit heavier than I like so after that I was pretty much done for the day. There was one lady there who looked great. Layla https://www.erlebniswohnung.com/prof...ayla%20Beauty. But she was working the door the entire 4 hours I was there (6 pm to 10 pm). She was drinking, singing and dancing the whole time to. I'm sure everyone was waiting around for her to play but I wasn't about to wait longer for what was starting to look like a 25 guy line-up.

Third visit on Dec 25th. It was surprisingly active for Christmas day.

Ariel Cuba was doing her thing. She was in and out of the room for a solid two hours. But again. She does nothing for me so I just waited around to see what would be next. I was glad I waited because it was Trish. https://www.erlebniswohnung.com/profile/1187/Trish. A tall, light skinned black girl, with a good body and very pretty face. She worked a room of about 10 guys very well. By that I mean, she gave BBJs to whoever wanted one. She was in doggy position the entire time, so guys were just lined up like a train, pumping and dumping. I came twice while on that train. She's great. I called it a night when I saw Ariel Cuba head back into the room afterwards. I figured it was another 2 hours of this flat-rate club girl as 'filler'.

Fourth and final visit on the 28th.

I arrived at around 8 pm. Paid 70 EUR and got ready. All the rooms were empty and there were about 25 guys waiting around. Layla was working the door again, while singing and dancing in the main room. Trish then joined her and the both of them kept dancing and screaming like teenagers for the whole the 3 hours I was there. They were ignoring everyone and everyone was ignoring them. Not a great vibe. The owner was running around in a towel pretending to be a guest. Whatever. The young Turkish guy who does the cleaning up was hassling me for Viagra. All this did not make for a great atmosphere.

After about 30 minutes the first act came up. Lucy https://www.erlebniswohnung.com/profile/23/Lucy%20Geil who is a slightly plump young German girl. Kinda cute but also a bit plain. Before she started she yelled 'Blazen wit Gummi'. She was with was an older German blonde woman. Finally, a duo like in the old days. But this was lame. 15 guys waiting around, while these two chicks played with each other. Sure it was fun to watch for the first few minutes, but this went on the whole time. They were constantly playing with each other which means not only do I have to fight my way through 15 guys, both the girls are also distracted with each other! Lame. I walked out. Luckily in the next room I saw more action. It was Nita https://www.erlebniswohnung.com/profile/3934/Nita . She was on her back with maybe 5 guys around her. She stayed like that for her whole 15 minutes of play. She does not do much for me, although her newness is a bit of a turn on. I stood around for a while but the guys in that room were. Lets just say non-corporative. So I left.

Back out in the waiting area, the buffet was looking untended. So I skipped on the food and headed to the sauna to wait things out. The girls ended their session and it was another hour of waiting while the two hottest girls in the house dance around knowingly teasing the guys. Layla had the music system synced up to her phone so between her and Trish it was like having two teenagers switch through their play lists at ADD speeds. Finally, the wait was over and the next show was about to start. But. It was Lucy and the older woman again. I popped my head in and saw exactly the same scene as before. 15 guys with dicks in hand while the two women playing with each other. At this point I had enough. There was this deliberate air of cock teasing from all the women in the house that day and it was just not cool.

I might visit EW again in the summer. Maybe by then they'll improve their formula. In my view its rather simple. He needs to up the price to get more consistency from the women and get properly trained staff to keep the place clean and orderly.

At 70-100 EURs this place packs in allot value. This is no doubt. What if he made entry 150? I don't think that would stop anyone, if it meant a better experience.

[Adindas]

VonderJohn.

This is a really good post and Interview.

I also miss the golden era of ERW in Karl Max Strasse. I do not really have a problem with the current location as it could still easily be reached by you-Bahn.

The problem here is that sometimes you will need to wait 2 hours before another girl turn up, especially in the afternoon. The quality of the girl is much lower than it used to be in Karl Max Strasse. I do not mind the entry price to be increased EUR10 (say) if the quality of the girls are increased.

[Jimjim888]

Spent a couple of evenings at Erlebniswohnung recently and had a great time as always. There are some shortcomings as per the rest of this thread but the bottom line is that on both occasions I had sex with three to four girls and left with a smile on my face. The club seems to be doing well as there were a lot of guys on both occasions.

There was a pattern to both days. From lunchtime to late afternoon, the same two girls were rotating with one appearing every hour or so. On the first occasion one of the two girls was not my type at all and this meant the fun was only once every two hours and a lot of time was spent hanging around. Around 6 pm on both occasions, two very attractive young girls appeared and were obviously the main billing, appearing last in the line up as a grand finale.

I think two easy adjustments would improve the experience for me. First having an announcement of some kind when a girl enters the room. The schedule is unpredictable and so without an announcement, it isn't possible to relax in case you miss a show. It is always necessary to be alert and keep an eye on things. Secondly, it would be great if the main event was a little earlier. On both occasions the really cute girls entered the room at around 11.30 pm. I personally find out hard to be at my best after shagging and lying around all day. And I am not alone, many of the guys had left by the time the girls appeared. Holding the main event at around 9. 30 would ensure it is more energetic.

[BingaBiloglu]

I've been there once before the law, it was very good. If you are a shy guy, that is not cup of your coffee.

We plan to be there again on December and could not find their own internet site, maybe the link is broken.

Could you please confirm me that, club is still standing?

Also please advice, if noel holiday affects existence of club girls. Can or shall I go there at noel time?

[VonderJohn]

In order to guarantee the the number of the girls and the quality of service, is it possible for the owner to rise the entrance price to 150-200 euros?

I don't think so. This will not bring more customers. Reason? Competitors like Insomnia set the entrance price between 80 - 95 euros for their Thursday gangbangs (where there are more ladies available from 2 pm until midnight). What is needed is more investment by Mustapha to pay and attract more ladies.

[XiaoApple]

I really don t understand the argument. How is it that there were more girls in Karl Marx. The new place is just a few subway stops away. Just a few more girls would be motivation enough to visit the place frequently. Perhaps pay more? The number of customers has not gone down. I have been to both places. And if the girls were paid more, more customers would come. Right now, what s the point? When I was there the people having the most fun were private couples who were pretty exclusive. This is now more like a swinger s club, and two men and one woman, or three men and one woman is fun, but I really doubt that the current setup is good in anyway. Unless one likes to watch live sex shows.

In order to guarantee the the number of the girls and the quality of service, is it possible for the owner to rise the entrance price to 150-200 euros?

[Mr Styles]

I really don t understand the argument. How is it that there were more girls in Karl Marx. The new place is just a few subway stops away. Just a few more girls would be motivation enough to visit the place frequently. Perhaps pay more? The number of customers has not gone down. I have been to both places. And if the girls were paid more, more customers would come. Right now, what s the point? When I was there the people having the most fun were private couples who were pretty exclusive. This is now more like a swinger s club, and two men and one woman, or three men and one woman is fun, but I really doubt that the current setup is good in anyway. Unless one likes to watch live sex shows.

Thank you for your reports. I totally understand and can relate to what you said. Especially:

"For long periods, hours long, there would be no action. Just men watching TV". And "when a girl finally went to the room there would be a crowd".

And these long hours can be demotivating and can get you tired, besides making this place much less attractive. Plus, the crowd around the lady when she comes in makes the sex experience less appealing, even annoying to the customer.

Yet what you said about "better management" . Like what? Yes, I know Mustafa should get more ladies, but his problem is that no many ladies are actually willing to come as much as he or the customers wish. If it was up to him, he'd bring 2-3 ladies every two hours. But I don't think he is able to do this. Can he? Would be good to have some concrete suggestions on how to improve the management of this. In my view, I think limiting the time to avoid long hours of waiting (instead of starting at 12, start at 3. This reduces costs and allows for more ladies in less time) is one way to improve the experience.

Thoughts?

[VonderJohn]

Thank you for your reports. I totally understand and can relate to what you said. Especially:

"For long periods, hours long, there would be no action. Just men watching TV". And "when a girl finally went to the room there would be a crowd".

And these long hours can be demotivating and can get you tired, besides making this place much less attractive. Plus, the crowd around the lady when she comes in makes the sex experience less appealing, even annoying to the customer.

Yet what you said about "better management" . Like what? Yes, I know Mustafa should get more ladies, but his problem is that no many ladies are actually willing to come as much as he or the customers wish. If it was up to him, he'd bring 2-3 ladies every two hours. But I don't think he is able to do this. Can he? Would be good to have some concrete suggestions on how to improve the management of this. In my view, I think limiting the time to avoid long hours of waiting (instead of starting at 12, start at 3. This reduces costs and allows for more ladies in less time) is one way to improve the experience.

Thoughts?

I was there a few weeks ago, on a weekend. Let me just lay out my impressions and compare it to when I went earlier to the old place at Karl Marx.

1. The ratio on a Saturday was skewed. For long periods, hours long, there would be no action. Just men watching TV. There was one girl, but she was busy with her cell phone. Once, there were two women both of whom were just chatting away while all the men were wandering about.

2. Naturally, when a girl finally went to the room there would be a crowd.

3. While before I used to have one on one sessions (some of the best sex I've ever had was at EW), now that does not exist. Bored and bitchy women were the norm not the exception.

4. I spend a day there and overall there were four to five women in total, and never at the same time. One girl worked both in the afternoon and the evening..

[Mr Styles]

I was there a few weeks ago, on a weekend. Let me just lay out my impressions and compare it to when I went earlier to the old place at Karl Marx.

1. The ratio on a Saturday was skewed. For long periods, hours long, there would be no action. Just men watching TV. There was one girl, but she was busy with her cell phone. Once, there were two women both of whom were just chatting away while all the men were wandering about.

2. Naturally, when a girl finally went to the room there would be a crowd.

3. While before I used to have one on one sessions (some of the best sex I've ever had was at EW), now that does not exist. Bored and bitchy women were the norm not the exception.

4. I spend a day there and overall there were four to five women in total, and never at the same time. One girl worked both in the afternoon and the evening.

5. Earlier, the girls had fun, but now with about six to seven men to one woman, not so much. It is very mechanical.

6. There was no DATY which was common in the old location. There, usually the number of women was higher.

I understand that Mustafa has some problems, but the new place is not so far away from the old one. There are direct lines. It s a leafy suburb of Berlin, and not somewhere far out in the countryside. I don t see why better management cannot fix problems. When I was there, and comparing it to the old times, there were quite a few customers, almost the same number as before. In the evening the customers went up to around 20, but there were only two women. I don t think anyone has decided not to come because it is a few subway stops away. At one time I counted around 10 men, but no woman was there. If the price structure is the same, then why not get a few more women? Mustafa cannot blame everything on the new law, and depend on the support of customers. I am sure that with some changes it would be just as great as it once was. If Mustafa has financial problems, then the obvious solution is to make the place more attractive. Right now, I don t see myself going back.

[VonderJohn]

This is one of the best posts I have seen in quite a while, really informing us what is going behind the scenes. I really do think Mustapha loves his work (he himself even participates). If ERW ever disappears, it would be a loss to the mongering community. Thanks for the share.

Exactly. We need to understand what is really going on and what are the root causes for the changes before making judgement on the place. And the best way to do that is to have a face-to-face, profound and honest discussion with Moustapha. This is exactly what I did and he was very welcoming to answer the questions and was aware of the issues.

We then need to adjust our expectations. Back at Karl Marx, I used to expect to have a round of sex with every lady. Which is once every hour or so, for the entire day.

Now in the new location, I'd be happy if I had 3 rounds of sex over the entire day.

And yes, Moustapha is sincerely trying his best. It's the law to blame. Not him.

[Pv118]

This is one of the best posts I have seen in quite a while, really informing us what is going behind the scenes. I really do think Mustapha loves his work (he himself even participates). If ERW ever disappears, it would be a loss to the mongering community. Thanks for the share.

[Leifeide]

Thank you VonderJohn for taking the time and effort to write this brilliant report. Respect for that!

I could not agree more in what you reported here. We can be as sentimental we want when we think back on the good old days in Karl Marx, but times really have changed in Germany. I've had some of my very best moments ever in Karl Marx, but I've also had great moments in the new location.

We should all support Mustafa as much as we can to avoid that the have to close his business. Just imagine how sad it would be in Berlin without ERW.

So during my visit to ERW (it was on a Monday), I sat down with Mustapha and we had the following conversation (90 percent accuracy, since there was an interpreter translating some phrases):

First off, I told Mustapha about the International Sex Forum and that I follow it and discuss ERW issues on it. I then asked him: Why don't you post on the forum? There are many questions and sometimes complaints that need your answer.

He said this: "I intentionally do not post on the forum because if I post, the readers may not believe me. They may think I'm posting to just promote the place. It is best if they write and respond to each other based on their experience. That would be more credible".

Then I said: "Some of the complaints talk about the slowness of the experience, low number of girls, increased prices. What are you doing to improve this?

Mustapha: "The customers need to understand something very important: there are two phases for ERW: the phase before the law, and the phase after the law".

Mustapha explained that before the new prostitution law, ERW was at Karl Marx street; a location that was very suitable to the customers and the ladies. As a result, ERW got more customers (more revenue) and so it was able to get more girls everyday. The prostitution law changed many things, and imposed new regulations that forced a business like ERW to pay heavy costs and eventually relocate. "Less customers started coming, and so I had much less money to pay the ladies. Some ladies live an hour away from our current location and no longer find it feasible to come here" he said "Back at Karl Marx, it was easy for everyone and we had no pressure from the law".

Extra payments and legal issues:

Me: What extra payments did you have to make because of the law?

Mustapha: "Besides the costs related to the change of location and the extra taxes, I also had to find a very good lawyer and pay him good money to make sure this business is totally legal and represent me at the authorities" he said. He then pointed to the fire escape exit outside his building. "See this? I had to pay 40,000 Euros just for this, because of the new law!

He then explained that some months ago, the law enforcement police came to check the place. Mustafa presented all the necessary papers and tax payment receipts and showed them around the place and they verified that everything complies with the new law.

"And just look around you" he said, "How many customers?" (we were 7) , ". This is a very low number. Some of my ladies wanted to come but I told them not to because I don't have money to pay them" he said.

Copenhagen's 15 euros:

When talking about some of the 'challenging' customers he often gets, Mustapha gave this example:

Mustapha: "One time, a customer from Denmark came in early, paid 100 euros and fucked for 10 hours. But he needed 10 euros back. .I forgot his name".

Me: Probably he goes by the name of Copenhagen on the forum. Right?

Mustapha: Yes yes! Copenhagen. That's him.

Mustapha: ". So yeah, he needed 10 euros back. At that time I honestly did not have a change to give him, so I told him that I'll pay him back as soon as I get a change. But! He kept coming back to me every 30 minutes asking for a change, and I kept telling him that I honestly do not have. Still, he kept insisting and repeating his demand. Then I explained to him that back in Denmark I had to pay 250 euros for a service like this, and here you are paying barely 100 euros and complaining.

Me: "Okay, but the 250 euros price in Denmark isn't his problem is it?

Mustapha: "Yes yes I know! But still, the way he insisted although I told him I had no change at the moment was very annoying. He should have calmed down and showed more patience given the greatly low price he's paying".

At the end of the discussion, Mustapha made clear one thing:

"I am not doing all this for the money. I'm doing this because I love it and I love the people working with me, and I love making customers happy".

My conclusions:

Based on my experience on that day, my observations and my talk with Mustapha, here are my main conclusions:

1) The business conditions for ERW have changed greatly after the law, making it more difficult for it to operate as previously: in terms of quality of ladies, number of customers, prices, duration of sessions. Etc.

2) Customers need to be understanding of this new situation in point 1 above, but many of them are not, or are simply not aware of that and just judge ERW based on the degrading experience without considering the factors which are beyond Mustapha's control.

3) Mustapha is honestly doing the best he could to keep the business running in the best form possible. But many things are not in his control. Still, he is trying. He has spent money, time, legal fees, lost business, sacrificed some ladies and many others.

4) As customers we need to limit our expectations and be patient. We should no longer expect to see the same quality and vibe as the pre-law Karl Marx phase. We also should learn to accept whatever good times we get during our stay at ERW, as long as they're not too annoying or unacceptable which rarely happens.

5) Let us take it easy on Mustapha. He is trying, but many things are not in his control. ERW is a very difficult business and is very unique in the market.