Filipina Cellphone Etiquette

[D Cups]

I just ask them to turn off the phone when we get in the room. I had never considered sticking it in the safe.

I'm not sure this is a good idea because then she will want to find out what else is in the safe. Maybe put the 1at$!) &$$ thing in the refrigerator?

[Sammon]

I just ask them to turn off the phone when we get in the room. I had never considered sticking it in the safe.

This should be the basis. Request to turn the Phone off. If she does willingly well and good. If she does not it is your choice to take her back to demand return of BF. Taking the phone away under or else scenario and locking up is not nice.

Anyway it is enough on this dispute of viewpoints. Let us get back and discuss our goal of finding girls experiences for our pleasure.

[Stroker Ace88]

Are we really discussing the legality of "imprisoning" a womans cell phone? Contract law? Employer-employee legal responsibilities? Really? The legal rights given to her cell phone and the lenght of sentence it has to serve in a room safe, to be released early only upon good behavior? Really?

This debate is such a futile and redundant exercise in 'nit-picking' the details of an interaction that shouldn't be that difficult. At this rate guys will be keeping legal assistants on the payroll so they can accompany them to the hotel to take minutes of the contract negotiations before consummation. Geessh get a grip.

One only needs to look to the ongoing impeachment trial of SC Chief Justice Renato Corona to realize Western ideological rule of law does not exist in the Philippines. It's a shining example of how the rule of law is very selectively applied (at best) in the Philippines.

Guys who come to the Philippines and expect Western style rule of law to apply to short-time sexual encounters for money with young women need have there heads examined (Big Head) , or visit another Country it's as simple as that. If a SC Chief Justice and the Philippine Government has problems following the rule of law, what makes you think a 21yr old understands or cares about verbal contracts?

[FurryFriend]

I am not disputing your assertions in relation to girls working in malls, rather the P4P which is a contract for services in the mongering scenario as opposed to that of an employer / employee relationship. There are several tests which the law applies to determine whether employment relationships are contract for services or employee / employer and P4P fails many of these tests for employer / employee.

It's not worth delving into employment and contract law in this discussion. Of course asking a girl to be without her phone is perfectly legal. If the counter girl at Jollibees insists on chatting on her cellphone while on duty, she'd be fired.

The real question is, is forbidding personal phone use a fair and reasonable request if you're paying for her time. And the answer is a resounding YES. If a girl doesn't do anal, she can request "no anal" as a condition. We don't sit around analyzing if depriving someone of anal is against the law. What some people don't seem to realize is, the girl can (and often does) impose terms and restrictions of her own.

As long as both parties are over 18 and of sound mind, anything mutually agreed upon in good faith is fair and reasonable unless there is force or intimidation. I doubt any reasonable person would disagree.

It's funny we talk about whether holding a girl's phone is legal when taking a girl back to your hotel constitutes prostitution and [CodeWord908], both of which are illegal in the Philippines. Even entering the Philippines to monger is illegal since their immigration laws forbid entering for an "immoral" purpose.

[Python75]

Regardless of how you define "employee" I think you will find that many of the girls working in the malls, stores, and other business' are working under a written contract generally for six months or a year at a time. Many of these workers are not allowed to bring their cell phone to work, I had a GF that worked at SM appliance store and she was not allowed to even have a cell phone in her locker.

So if a monger wants to make 'no cell phone' part of the negotiated deal it would be very much within the norm here, which is the point I was trying to make.

I am not disputing your assertions in relation to girls working in malls, rather the P4P which is a contract for services in the mongering scenario as opposed to that of an employer / employee relationship. There are several tests which the law applies to determine whether employment relationships are contract for services or employee / employer and P4P fails many of these tests for employer / employee.

I think this is important because it can impact on the way a monger treats and interacts with the girl. An employer has much more control over the employee. If we accept that it is a contract for services then there would be more mutual negotiation and this would include use or non use of phone, as well as for services rendered.

[Member #4351]

I just ask them to turn off the phone when we get in the room. I had never considered sticking it in the safe.

[FurryFriend]

So it is illegal for you to take her phone away and put restrictions on her freedom strictly speaking.

If you had any sense of shame, you'd quietly withdraw from this discussion hoping nobody remembers you made such a bonehead and false statement about the law in which you are wholefully unqualified to make.

I only wished it was illegal so I can fucking sue my Fortune 500 employer for forbidding cellphones and restricting my freedom while I'm on-the-clock.

[FlyForFun]

Samon,

You have missed the entire point. I mean all of it.

When this is explained before anyone leaves the bar, as a precondition of exchange of money or fluids, she is free to turn the monger down. She can evaluate the proposal and walk away. If she is unwilling to abide by the surrender of the phone, we are free to walk away. If she agrees to our conditions, we are obligated to pay the amount agreed upon. How would you feel about a total refund if she does not abide by the agreed upon terms? Since that is unrealistic, we only have the concept of the verbal contract. If the girls gave out coupons, (which they don't) , you might be able to use the coupon on another girl. Hey wait, that's a great idea. Monger currency. We should have currency only for pussy, coupons, etc.

Until we have such measures in place we have a right to ensure a "square, honest" transaction with as little bola as possible. I might even try a cell phone jammer, that would be a nice touch.

[Punter 127]

If she is P4P she is not an employee. She is providing a contract for services. The terms of which are mutually negotiated.

Employment is a contract between two parties, one being the employer and the other being the employee. An employee may be defined as:

"A person in the service of another under any contract of hire, express or implied, oral or written, where the employer has the power or right to control and direct the employee in the material details of how the work is to be performed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment

Regardless of how you define "employee" I think you will find that many of the girls working in the malls, stores, and other business' are working under a written contract generally for six months or a year at a time. Many of these workers are not allowed to bring their cell phone to work, I had a GF that worked at SM appliance store and she was not allowed to even have a cell phone in her locker.

So if a monger wants to make 'no cell phone' part of the negotiated deal it would be very much within the norm here, which is the point I was trying to make.

[Python75]

Very good point and it happens everyday here in Dept. Stores and other places of employment, employees are not allow to bring their phones to work. If she is P4P she's an employee.

If she is P4P she is not an employee. She is providing a contract for services. The terms of which are mutually negotiated.

[Punter 127]

Doesn't every employee agree to their employers' stupid requirements because they need to earn money?

Very good point and it happens everyday here in Dept. Stores and other places of employment, employees are not allow to bring their phones to work. If she is P4P she's an employee.

[Mr Enternational]

The girls may agree for your stupid requirement because they need to earn money.

Doesn't every employee agree to their employers' stupid requirements because they need to earn money?

[Frenzy3]

No one should complain about the phones in the safe, the girl can leave if the girl has a problem. But the rest of that post and the recording stuff is just BS, you are here to have fun not to become a cloak and dagger game. The short stay motels and cheap ones do not have safes

It so rare for a guy to be setup here in cebu that you will be warned here or by others if it was going on.

I think to many posters here post crap they read , not what really goes on..

[FurryFriend]

slavery is abolished long time ago in case your stupid mind things it is ok. the girls may agree for your stupid requirement because they need to earn money.

this is an absurd comment.

not only do bargirls have the right to decline my terms, they frequently set their own ("no bareback","no anal","no overnight","no multi-shots", etc). does that sound remotely like slavery to you? it's more like a business negotiation where two parties find something mutually agreeable.

if you are afraid stay home like david said.

why is it such a simplistic, black-and-white issue for you? there is no reason why mongers can't go to the philippines and take precautions at the same time. these two aren't mutually exclusive or contridictory activities.

because a monger is less risk tolerant than you, you ask him to go home? fortunately, nobody is going to heed your advice. but just you mentioning it shows that you impose your preferences onto other people.

why you want to take the phone from the girl? it is her lifeline for her business and personal life. i give the girl respect and freedom that she desrves.

bargirls also aren't permitted to use their cellphones while on-stage. if you feel this is so cruel and disrespectful, will you do the principled thing and voice a complaint to the bar owners or boycott their bar?

hell, i work a typical office job in america and i'm also not allowed to use my cellphones when i'm on duty. when an employee is on the clock, it is reasonable for the employer to expect that the employee does not engage in personal activities.

you make it sound like society was utterly dysfunctional before cellphones were invented. there is no reason why someone needs access to their cellphone every nanosecond of their lives.

there are plenty of freelancer girls in phi and scammers are very few. otherwise there would have been hundreds of foreigners in jails accused of [CodeWord123], ****, sexual violence etc. it is not happening.

that's because most guys would rather pay the cops than take their chances with the shitty and slow philippine justice system. [CodeWord123] and statutory [CodeWord123] charges are non-bailable, which means you would need to be detained for months before going to trial. any rational guy would rather bend over and pay.

some have argued you are enslaving them and preventing them from emergency calls.

my recommendations stated that, if the girl needs to make an emergency call, she can use the monger's phone.

[WestCoast1]

With all due respect, what did working girls do before the advent of cheap cell phones? It is never an emergency, emergency. I think it is rude when a girl starts "chatting away" on my time and I ask my ladies not to do it.

Prior to my putting the girl's phone in the safe, I (and many, many gents on this board and others I met in phils) had these kinds of things:

* girl gets into txting conversation (or actual voice conversation) during actual playtime. ARE YOU KIDDING ME HUN? She might even look at you like you're an idiot if you ask her to put it away. Somewhat hard to fuck while she's having an argument with her mom or boyfriend.

* doing same thing in between sessions. I take her out for some food, drinks, watching a bar show, etc, and she's constantly hung on the phone.

Here's where the Sammon 'slavery' idea comes into play. I find this very interesting. If she has the phone in her possession, its very possible she will be thinking to herself that she doesn't need to concentrate on me when we aren't playing. Fairly natural, many girls do this. IMHO, I find this to be nonsense. I've hired her to do whatever I want until 10am. When I want to go drinking, we're going drinking. When I want to fuck, we fuck. When I want to watch TV, we're watching TV. When I want to sleep, guess what? Here is where the interesting part comes into play. Without the phone, you might think the 'phone-addicted' girl would go through withdrawal. I find that not the case. They are attentive and like to talk (gawd, its often the simplest conversation, I have to drop myself to single-thought sentences and ask lots of questions). I also find that the girls just follow my lead in everything I do (just as I want it to be). Sometimes they ask to do specific things (go to this bar or that disco) , and if I'm up for it, that's what we do. When a girl asks me to take her to Sunflower disco in Cebu, knowing her phone is locked in the safe, I think its safe to say she's fine without it tonight. They don't stare at the safe and whimper for the phone. On occasion a girl will ask for it to txt the mamasan or her cousin, but not often. You have here, two different behaviors, depending on whether they have the phone. The girls are fine without their phone.

Talk about bad luck. A while back I posted a runner in Cebu. She was one of the rare girls who's phone I had forgotten to lock away. It was on the nightstand next to her. She had set a quiet alarm, and while I slept she awoke and was dressed with her purse in hand, and just about to open the door to leave when her movement woke me up. By love.

With respect to Sammon, you see the good number of girls I post, and almost every last one is not able to get at her phone, and none of them are dying to get at it.