General Reports

[Stroker Ace88]

Like they say in LOS: "up to you". I still think that 650 is on the cheap charlie side. I have never given less than 1000 (around $25) , which seems to be in line with most of the forum posters. I could very well be overpaying, but after seeing how some of these girls live, I don't mind the extra $10. Then again, I don't live in Cebu and your situation is probably a lot different than mine. I just didn't want sporadic visitors to Cebu to get the idea that 650 is what should be given a girl who has performed well. Just MHO. Everyone has their own idea on what to give the girls. If you are comfortable giving 650 and haven't been labeled as a koripot and someone to avoid by the girls, then its working for you. Anyway, there are also guys who have posted that are so clueless, they think that just because the girls don't ask for money, that means that they shouldn't give them a peso.

IMO, David's post is more POD worthy. He pays the going rate for non-pro sessions and paying less is kuripot style. I agree 100 percent with the comment on guys who think because a girl doesn't ask for money the time spent together was a 'freebie' or she doesn't want money. Newbies should take note of the advice posted by D33, but many don't.

Just a little tidbit of info on this subject. I attended a family function along with a filipina back in 2010. I was her guest at the function and I met one of her cousins. Turns out the cousin was also into dating foreigners and asked me to hook her up with some of my friends. She talked my ear off and told me some stories of the foreign guys she dated-dates and showed me pics on her iphone. She mentioned she has a daughter and also mentioned her husband. At this point I stopped her because I was confused why she was dating foreigners if she was already married. Turns out she broke up with her Filipino husband shortly after the birth of her daughter and then her husband was arrested and is now serving time.

Anyways it seems she is paying for her education through dating foreigners she meets online. She told me stories of guys who promise to take good care of her blah blah blah and then after the session refuse to pay up or give her what she feels is enough. She told me she dated a guy from California who was rich and was very gwapo but never paid her anything. She told me her child can't eat love and the Uni doesn't accept good will. Only cash will do. She decided to fix him. So during one session suddenly there was loud knocking at the hotel room door and then the door opened. Standing in the door was the hotel manager and two PNP officers. Turns out she also has a cousin who is a PNP officer and they burst into the hotel claiming to be her husbands family members. They took the guy to the station on fuente and when all was said and done the guy paid 50 000php to walk from the potential charge of adultery, which is a real and punishable offense in the Philippines The guy paid up BIG TIME for his kuripot style. The girl took her cut while her PNP cousin and his PNP friends took the rest.

When she told me the story it made me sit up and take notice. Later at the same function I was introduced to her PNP cousin and he seemed like a nice enough bloke but in the end it all comes down to money and how you treat people. I asked her how much she expected and the answer was,"atleast a blue note di ba but I'm no a GRO, I like blue note to go with imported blue eyes!".

Later in the taxi I asked my filipina about her cousin. She told me her cousin dates lots of foreigners and likes to have fun. She goes with guys that pay her and that her cousin has 'fixed' a few of the foreigners who refused to pay. One guy was a banker from Singapore and took her cousin to Boracay and considered the trip as payment. When he came back a few months later to visit the cousin he was served his blue note special.

[Punter 127]

There is a very useful book available from National Book Store called "Understanding Filipino Values, a Management Approach, by Tomas D. Andres.

He says the following and I think we all should take note of it.

'Foreigners have frequently pointed out that equivocation, 'white lies', and euphemistic discourse to avoid unpleasant truths are characteristically Filipino, making an attempt to not embarrass or displease other persons. The Filipino anticipates and gives the expected answer, avoiding if possible a negative reply.

Hence, a question by a person seeking a positive answer concerning for example the quantity of payment for services rendered will invariably be answered with 'It's up to you. ' '

Very interesting and I'm sure the book is a very insightful analysis.

In this case I was suggesting (or hoping) the words of the Filipino saying be literally embraced by members of this forum.

Thanks for your input.

[Red Kilt]

I do have a bit of good news, I've been told that most girls will let you give them more if it makes you feel better. 'Up to you' as they say here, a simple little saying that I wish others would embrace.

There is a very useful book available from National Book Store called "Understanding Filipino Values, a Management Approach, by Tomas D. Andres.

He says the following and I think we all should take note of it.

'Foreigners have frequently pointed out that equivocation, 'white lies', and euphemistic discourse to avoid unpleasant truths are characteristically Filipino, making an attempt to not embarrass or displease other persons. The Filipino anticipates and gives the expected answer, avoiding if possible a negative reply.

Hence, a question by a person seeking a positive answer concerning for example the quantity of payment for services rendered will invariably be answered with 'It's up to you. ' '

[Punter 127]

What does that have to do with Cebu? Which bar in Cebu costs 700p for ST?

I only mentioned AC as an example of Filipina's offering FS for 500p or less (after the bars cut) also I think the AC cost of living is similar, and both places are after all in the Philippines.

I rarely go to bars in Cebu because I think they're overpriced, perhaps because of the willingness of visitors to overpay. Also because of the availability of what I consider to be a much higher caliber of girl. I can however tell you that I've been offered sex on the streets of Cebu for as low as 300p.

In retrospect I probably shouldn't have mentioned bars at all as my post was really about internet and mall girls that are not p4p, sorry.

I do have a bit of good news, I've been told that most girls will let you give them more if it makes you feel better. 'Up to you' as they say here, a simple little saying that I wish others would embrace.

I might at times explain to someone that I think they overpaid, not to criticize but as an attempt to educate, but at the end of the day what another guy pays is really no skin off my nose.

What I don't understand is why when you think a guy has underpaid you react as if someone had poked you in the eye with a stick. What's up with that?

[Member #4351]

after all there are bars in AC that you can pull a girl for short time for 700p and that includes bar fine, so how for off the norm could 500p be?

What does that have to do with Cebu? Which bar in Cebu costs 700p for ST?

[Member #4351]

The DIA girls that want to come over to your hotel are looking to get paid right?

Tell them you have their 650 pesos waiting for them and let us know what happens.

[Borisut]

The DIA girls that want to come over to your hotel are looking to get paid right?

Whenever I suggest meeting at a mall they say "no, only at your hotel"

I have become paranoid about scams after reading through the "Avoiding Freelancer Scams and Extortions" threads, so I try to meet them on neutral territory first.

[Punter 127]

I give girls that I meet in the mall (including those that work there) and girls from DIA 500p after a short visit if it includes sex, and I always pay for their Jeepney ride back to the mall. Most of these girls are not really working girls and some won't have sex on the first visit. When they do have sex many of them get very upset when you try to give them money as they don't want to be considered a hooker. So I make up a reason for giving them money, and they're normally very eager for a return visit.

Girls that ask in advance 'what's in it for me' or set a price I avoid, because there are so many normal willing girls available here. I suspect there are more guys that live in Cebu who give 500p to this type of girl than there is who give them 1000k plus. Many of the guys that visit here have a what the hell it's only $10 and I'm on vacation attitude. For others I think overpaying is a way of dealing with compunction.

I don't think 500k is out of line, after all there are bars in AC that you can pull a girl for short time for 700p and that includes bar fine, so how for off the norm could 500p be? If a girl is looking for money in exchange for sex then she should set her price before hand or accept what's offered. IMHO

[Member #4351]

For those lacking in time or inclination to do as I described.

You didn´t describe anything, you bragged about underpaying naive girls that you have been able to pick up in malls. Mall hunting has been written about dozens of times on the forum. You said nothing new, and IMHO nothing worthwhile. I would rate it up there with your brilliant idea of having a girl fork out for a passport in order to check her age.

Your inane carping and arrogance do not change this fact.

Cheap Charlies are always defensive.

[FruitNinja]

You should be grateful you don't have to fuck my wife.

Just kidding but that was a pretty good reply.

[Riverman]

Well sorry, but that is what is mostly on this forum. And if these guys don't know any better, listen to you and start offering 650 pesos to the girls they meet in the normal P4P locations, they will get shot down quickly. In my opinion, paying a girl 650 is being a cheap charlie. The guys I know who both live and visit Cebu, are paying around what I do (1000 or $25) or more. Of course this could be a function of the fact that I don't like to hang around with cheapskates, who knows? Many girls have complained to me about guys they have met online or wherever who only gave them chump change (around 500) or didn't even pay for their taxi. I will certainly keep paying what for me is a normal and reasonable amount. You can keep being a kuripot.

Your welcome to your opinion, but its not the only one.

And I guess your a rather dim bulb as I never offered this approach as being suitable for normal P4P locations (quite the opposite) , but you keep carping as if I did.

For those lacking in time or inclination to do as I described, by all means, paying P1 or P1. 5K for ST action is both reasonable and appropriate.

However, there are girls who are not regular denziens of those locals, who are nice and attractive and who are willing and satisfied with less. Your inane carping and arrogance do not change this fact.

[Member #4351]

Even a bunch of working girl mongers.

Well sorry, but that is what is mostly on this forum. And if these guys don't know any better, listen to you and start offering 650 pesos to the girls they meet in the normal P4P locations, they will get shot down quickly. In my opinion, paying a girl 650 is being a cheap charlie. The guys I know who both live and visit Cebu, are paying around what I do (1000 or $25) or more. Of course this could be a function of the fact that I don't like to hang around with cheapskates, who knows? Many girls have complained to me about guys they have met online or wherever who only gave them chump change (around 500) or didn't even pay for their taxi. I will certainly keep paying what for me is a normal and reasonable amount. You can keep being a kuripot.

[Sxxxx]

Hmm, good question. On the one hand this report is generally applicable to the Philippines, not just Cebu, but on the other hand it's just one more thread, and on the other hand (how many hands does that make? Three. Hmm) well on the other hand that makes another perhaps unnecessary thread. What do other member's think. Do you agree the report is worthy of this most noble award?

Yet another new thread, hell no. Have a look at all the empty new threads we have got already.

[Riverman]

As I mentioned, the cheap charlies are going to love Riverman's posts because it gives them an excuse to keep on being cheap charlies. I think that paying 650 will work fine when one is in a 'take it or leave it' situation, when nothing has been agreed upon in advance. At the end of the time spent together, the girl in order not to lose face, won't say 'what a cheap Charlie Asshole (although that's what she is probably thinking) ', she'll just smile and take the 650. The question is, how far will you get say in Mango Square offering 650 pesos? You will go home alone.

Wages are depressed due to oversupply of labor and undersupply of jobs. So trying to excuse being a cheapskate by comparing 650 to what a shop girl earns isn't logical. The forum's resident economists might want to compare wages with what it costs to survive in Cebu. What does the Big Mac index show for example?

Actually comparing 650 to what a girl can make in 2 or three days of 12 hour a day labor is very fair. The Big Mac Index, however, is not fair. A Big Mac is a luxury; one does not need a Big Mac to survive. A more apt index would be the Rice Index. PHP 650 will buy alot of rice. And as most of my girls are very happy to see me again and again, that 650 is multiplied many times over. Not to mention the fact, if the girl is very good and sweet to me and never tries to scam me or give me undue drama (beyond what is normal the female of the species) , I am not unwilling to help them as legitimate needs arise.

Another unfair comparison is the mango thing. I never gave my approach as being appropriate to mango. When dealing with a more mercenary and experienced prostitute, of course they are going for maximum return on their assests. And another factor is time. If you don't have time to hunt, then paying extra for the convenience of an assured score is understandable.

I do find your vaguely negative and condensending attitude a bit strange. I guess there are better-than-thou petty moralists in every bunch. Even a bunch of working girl mongers.

[Member #4351]

Riverman's recent post is one of the most well reasoned, forthright and honest opinions seen here in sometime. Regarding renumeration for services, he is spot on. So many guys here completely lack financial perspective. If one pays say, $100, for ST in US, that's equivalent to about one day's income. Here in Philippines, one day's income is about 300 pesos. So. 650 P is equal to two days wages. Two days wages for two hours company, is taking advantage? Hardly! Riverman, keep your posts coming. You have valuable insights.

Thanks, mate.

As I mentioned, the cheap charlies are going to love Riverman's posts because it gives them an excuse to keep on being cheap charlies. I think that paying 650 will work fine when one is in a 'take it or leave it' situation, when nothing has been agreed upon in advance. At the end of the time spent together, the girl in order not to lose face, won't say 'what a cheap Charlie Asshole (although that's what she is probably thinking) ', she'll just smile and take the 650. The question is, how far will you get say in Mango Square offering 650 pesos? You will go home alone.

Wages are depressed due to oversupply of labor and undersupply of jobs. So trying to excuse being a cheapskate by comparing 650 to what a shop girl earns isn't logical. The forum's resident economists might want to compare wages with what it costs to survive in Cebu. What does the Big Mac index show for example?