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[Member #4581]

For an American monger it is much higher than 50 E. Airline tickets, hotel accommodations, car rentals, public transportation, food, and other expenses pile up quickly. Prostitution should be legal here in the US. The prices will establish themselves naturally by the free market. Even if it's $300, it is comparable with what we pay now for illegal P6 and risk many aspects of our lives if confronted by the LE.



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Hotel charges would apply in the US as well unless you have a club within commuting distance of your residence and even airfare applies unless the club is within reasonable driving distance or have some other inexpensive transportation.

Also, on a recent trip I had 20+ sessions in 5 days. At such numbers, the per session cost differential is more material, and the fixed cost of airfare etc can be leveraged over a number of sessions.

Granted, if there is a club in my city I will not be so gluttonous.

Yes, ofcourse all of us on this site are supportive of legalized prostitution in the US and would love it if Sharks and Oase were in my city, but at this point this is just wishful thinking.

[Member #4581]

The following link says there are a million prostitutes in the US and nearly 40 million in the world. So, your 150 K is well within that number.

The question is about FKK quality, and at what price point.

I have never been in German RLDs, but from what people write the price points are even lower than the FKK 50 e, notwithstanding the cover charge in FKK. If that sets the pricing paradigm, anyone who has picked up h00 kers off the street can answer about the price and quality of the average street walkers in the US. NV brothels are legal, and the girls' photos at places like Moonlight bunny ranch etc are nowhere close to the quality of Sharks or Oase girls and prices are much higher. And of course, as I said, strip clubs are quite legal and girls can make a cool 20 to 30 for grinding for just 4 min, and still there are not millions of girls clamoring to work there.

https://prostitution.procon.org/view...stionID=000095

As for having imagination, sorry to be flippant but this whole exercise is imaginary. Anyone who has lived in the US and follows the politics, news, culture and media here will know that an FKK style club will simply not fly here for more reasons than one. But if we are just having flights of imagination, why not?!

[Pahllus Maximus]

All good points. But there are hell of a lot of American women with worthless degrees in cat / feminist / literature liberal arts BS, big student loans, minimal wage jobs (if any), lack of hours doled out and much more. 30 m of them in the prime age. Let's say 10% are pretty, and lets say 5% of the pretty are motivated to do P4 P. That's still 150,000 willing and able workers.

Onshoring FKK's is good for the economy, imagine all that FOREX going to Thailand, DR and Europe coming back. And leverage of local expenditure. Maybe we should write to Trump. He knows lots about Hookers and would welcome the availability and trade aspects. I mean, with him, this is so crazy it might even fly as policy. Imagine Disneyland 18+ FKK. Snow on Snow White like you have never seen, Pop Mary Poppins. Saucy Little Red Riding Hood (over 18 naturally). Nympho cheerleader. A bit like Westworld. The first state that does this with a decent airport will make out like bandits. It would attract international inbound tourists. Take this further, imagine the future Westworld pleasure robots really existed with AI that could be everything you wanted with a little sass to keep it real and interesting. But no sapping criticism and nagging and moaning. Human women would become irrelevant. No disease. Vacuum and temperature controlled parts on demand to your preference. Just a thought experiment.

I am not sure about the globalization of prices for pussy. Certainly Moscow and London and New York have inflation, but there is still a relationship to local median income as not all girls can get daddy warbucks. They have a perishable asset and new competitors, so the monetization window in compressed as is the draw pool of customers. The US is distorted by LE and prohibition of consenting adults having sex (unlike exploitation of adults in filthy, disgusting, danegrous and / or degrading jobs, all OK just so long at they don't touch another human sexually, god forbid).

Imagination and empathy: we need more of it. And no more police state and moral police bullshit. More pretty, feminine ladies and let cat loving bearded lesbians / feminists reach their natural evolutionary end.

[Mr Ho]

Often times people will use an event like winning some championship as an excuse to act out violently just to express things they have been holding in. I remember when I was in university and my school won a prestigious national championship. People were punching holes in walls, damaging vehicles, and doing things like throwing sacks of flour in the supermarket against the ceiling hahaha! Must be a western thing since I doubt most Japanese people, for example, would act out like that. Since that time of the championship, and the school has won more, whenever the team plays for a national championship or even gets close, businesses will board up and close to prevent property damage LOL! There would be less anger in America to release like that if we did indeed have "FKK America".

Well like many protest turns riot, many people do not even usually participate in such cause or not even know what protest it is and turns into riot.

I saw security camera reports on destroying of shops and other places. I mean they were not even wearing mask on their face and I may get criticized again on facts, but these guys were definitely not French people though.

No there is no riot here, but some peaceful protest followed by cleaning up the street after protest is over usually on set agreed time with police LOL. It got pros and cons though because some things one should protest more strongly, but I am against riot or false violence.

If all men can know and afford German FKK, then many frustration would be cured and less hatred and more love I think.

When men cannot get sex with beautiful girls, they get frustrated, German FKK is like an aspirin, it got multiple cure for men.

[Pistons]

Even if P6 was legalized in the US South American girls wouldn't get an official permission to work in the USA. I don't think a FKK club scene with similar pricing to DACH could be established in the US.

Perhaps you are right. The current loosening of a clubs control over the prices is about to cause a 100% inflation in 1-2 years in German FKK's. In USA it would be much more loose from the get go, and the starting range would be far higher. It could take decades and several societal changes to bring it down to European levels. But as seen in Switzerland currently now with Globe and not many years ago in Lugano, the market is very international, and regional and even global structures and levels of liberalism is very important too.

German FKK prices are also held down by the non FKK sex scene in Germany also. Not as highly visited by tourists, thus creating a loophole for FKK girls to abuse tourists. But availability is hard to avoid at hurting prices. Uber and the taxi business is one example of something comparable. But while Uber and taxi businesses all provide the same service, p6 and FKKs have more price adjusting criteria's.

Information on the other hand is a key ingredient here. In everything from liberalising the profession, to helping the honest workers and creating customer satisfaction. That is how the total money pie can grow, women feeling better about what they do, and guys leaving the clubs won't feel in such a bad mood sometimes.

[Pistons]

Prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada and prices are still inflated at a minimum of 300/ hour for girls who are 6's and 7's. It's $500+ for the few girls who even would be in the top 25% of FKKs. From what I hear these clubs and escort pages are not flooded with post graduate girls from universities like UNLV, UNR, or Univ of Arizona. They are mostly 25-40 year old fuglies, yet they earn 300+ per hour.

But USA is also extremely religious and social stigma is very high against such work. The fear of loosing face is thus very high and acts as an inflation force.

[ExpatLover]

I am going more off looks, not debating the feasibility of such clubs in the USA although I will not hold my breath, likewise for recreational in TX (maybe in 5-7 years) TX has some beautiful women but any tute here who is ' worth it' gets out of here for Denver, LA, AZ especially, ATL, Florida etc. Or they are on the ' underground travel circuit' where guys use word of mouth and private memberships to access them. Many are pimped and from Europe and getting $500-$1000 an hour. They can make double if not triple or more than here. Our ' civilians' are hot or can be but they have sugar daddies who give them money not loverboys who they give money too.

I hope your theories are correct, and it would happen here but how to get legalized or regulated prostitution thru the deep red states going to be tough! TX is rich with natural resources, same reason we aren't pressured to legalize weed is a reason we wouldn't need sex clubs to tax. All my opinions of course. I do think if it did happen much of the talent would be coming from 'rural Nebraska' or broke coal mine cities in ' Trump Country' etc. I think I read sometime in 2016 on the Spanish forums that they tried an FKK on the CDS somewhere in a very wealthy part loaded up with ex-pats, tourists etc and for whatever reason it failed. I would argue if they can't make it work in Spain it wouldn't work here.

However, I hope I am entirely wrong and that you open FKK Austinbach and make me a guest of honor, free couch time mandatory for all Travis County taxpayers!

I look at the board for Montreal often and wish that system was in place here w those hot girls they have, maybe would work better in Canada?

In meantime I will stick to commuting to Germany and hopefully toss Spain back in as I hate this conservative bucket of shit I live in!

To make it very short, probably 90 percent of the girls in the FKK are pimped or married, all the rest is cheating, why no french girls in the clubs when the border is so close.

[The Cane]

France won, but somehow several shop destroying and stealing. I saw the security camera footages. I wonder why this happened.

Often times people will use an event like winning some championship as an excuse to act out violently just to express things they have been holding in. I remember when I was in university and my school won a prestigious national championship. People were punching holes in walls, damaging vehicles, and doing things like throwing sacks of flour in the supermarket against the ceiling hahaha! Must be a western thing since I doubt most Japanese people, for example, would act out like that. Since that time of the championship, and the school has won more, whenever the team plays for a national championship or even gets close, businesses will board up and close to prevent property damage LOL! There would be less anger in America to release like that if we did indeed have "FKK America".

[Hessen Bub]

The girls would be no problem. There are The income and opportunity disparities in the USA are vast and becoming worse and more prevalent by the day. This is how Trump got elected, the promise of changing this, but that's whole new discussion. Suffice to say USA will not be a land of honey and lotus leaves anytime soon for 99% of the population.

Romanian average income for a family is probably 20% of that in Western Europe. That's what is pulling the girls here. Or better: That's why there are "managers" supplying Western P6 locations with fresh young girls from Romania and Bulgaria. If demand was to be satisfied with Western European girls the clubs would be empty.

Even if P6 was legalized in the US South American girls wouldn't get an official permission to work in the USA. I don't think a FKK club scene with similar pricing to DACH could be established in the US.

[Smoke Light]

Strip clubs are quite legal in the US. Just see the prices and the number and quality off girls. Usually lap dances go for $20 to $30 a song, which means roughly 4 min. There are some clubs with good girls, but they are NOT in hundreds of thousands, and only a small fraction of them are high quality.

For 50 E, you will never get a FKK caliber girl willing to provide equivalent services. KK posted about sugar babies who are willing to sleep for $300 an hour or more and it can still be hit and miss.

For an American monger it is much higher than 50 E. Airline tickets, hotel accommodations, car rentals, public transportation, food, and other expenses pile up quickly.

Obviously all of us debating here believe prostitution should be legalized in the US. In reality it can take another generation to materialize. And it could come to exist through education or perhaps video game industry adding FKK-style fun as part of the virtual reality. Young 18 yr olds spend plenty of time gaming, don't they?

Eventually the prices will establish themselves naturally by the free market. Even if it's $300 or something, remains comparable with what we pay now for illegal P6 and risk many aspects of our lives if confronted by the LE in the States.

[Mongerer88]

I don't follow the logic of the arguments here, guys.

While Fosta / Sesta has caused some temporary disruptions, the USA Previously had a large, mature market. Prices were not distorted or manipulated. There were three large review boards for advertising and information sharing. You could (and can) get what you want from $200 or so an hour at the low-end to $400-$700 an hour at the higher end.

Would the existence of regulated megabrothels with an FKK concept drive prices way down in the USA? Personally, I doubt it.

First of all, there are regulated incall brothels in rural Nevada. They have the highest prices and the most clinical service in the entire USA Scene and are treated with disdain by customers, and most importantly by the sex workers who cannot have a life that includes education, family, pets, etc. While being forced to work where they live. Why the hell would a huge FKK be any different?

The economic efficiencies of FKKs feature a fixed place where a lady can have lots of sex with lots of customers in a short period of time. So the price per sex act is low due to volume, and no administrative or travel time and costs for the lady. I don't think that model would appeal to most US (or Canadian) sex workers. I don't perceive that they face a lack of demand at current prices. They are likely working as much as they want and getting a rate per sex act that greatly exceeds what a few guys here would like that rate to be. But I doubt that many North American sex workers would want to fuck twice as many guys as they do now to make 25 percent more in total receipts.

I think the typical lady that would be excited by that deal comes from Cuba, Venezuela and certain parts of Mexico. Good luck with that. Quite a bit different than taking a bus from Romania to Germany. The transportation costs are higher via plane. I guess the Mexican ladies could be bussed in if Border Patrol would be willing to say, okay, let this bus through. It is the hookers. Once again, good luck with that politically.

I don't think the per capita income or economic opportunities of rural women in North America is dismal enough for them to be excited about North American FKK opportunities. They have plenty of good paying sex work opportunities available now. It doesn't have a spotlight and government blessing placed on it like Germany does, but it exists.

KK mentions Montreal. But the strong agency system creates a lot of efficiencies there for the ladies. The agencies do all of the scheduling and transportation for them. Many get fully booked early in the day through advanced scheduling, so I am not convinced the ladies want to squeeze in several more customers at a lower price per sex act by staying at a fixed place incall where they circle a bunch of guys while naked. I think they would find that to be a less desirable work environment. Once again, it might work if you fly in a lot of Cubans, Venezuelans and Mexican ladies who live in extreme poverty. But that ain't cheap and it is a political and public relations nightmare even if you could magically change the law to make it legal. Not only is that unrealistic, but it would not exactly please the current North American sex workers.

[Takedown]

Prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada and prices are still inflated at a minimum of 300/ hour for girls who are 6's and 7's. It's $500+ for the few girls who even would be in the top 25% of FKKs. From what I hear these clubs and escort pages are not flooded with post graduate girls from universities like UNLV, UNR, or Univ of Arizona. They are mostly 25-40 year old fuglies, yet they earn 300+ per hour.

If for some miraculous reason a dogmatic change sweeps across the US legalizing prostitution, I think at best the prices would normalize at 100/ half hour. The only way it would flourish is if immigration policies relax and the clubs become worked by loads of Mexican girls.

Even if legalized, brothels would have to be far outside the cities because they would not be in practice allowed to do business in town. Most US municialities aren't even giving out permits for strip clubs anymore. Can anyone even think of a brand new strip club that openned in the city limits of their city in the past 20 years? Atlanta and NYC has had zero new strip club openings.

I can only see cities like New Orleans or Miami even standing a chance. New Orleans would be "Chocolate" brothel city given the huge population of destitute black people. Miami only because, well it's really not that American of a city.

But who knows, anything is possible if there was a full economic collapse further widening the income disparity and if the children of today's millenials become removed from the previous generations' teachings of societal norms.

[Pistons]

Phallus: great summary of what some here on the forum has tried to write for awhile. But there are criticisms to your theory also: it is a bit unfair to the less beautiful women, and not to mention the older women looses out to younger more beautiful types.

This could and probably should be offset by some sort of basic income.

In your theory, sex becomes more clearly the currency that it started out as, and a new economic pyramid is made where sexual appeal is king of the world (or queen of the world).

What many of the socalled feminists forgets, or tries to avoid at all cost is that the real winners in all of this is the beautiful women. Because in a world without any norms against open prostitution and p4's, the most beautiful women would control the world. Far more so than today.

Continuing on with this train of tought, darwinism could take off far more so than it does today. In todays society, the money scheme you talk about ends up being partly anti-darwinistic as working too much ruins your physical appearance and / or immune system.

[Takedown]

Thanks buddy! Viorica hangs out around the bar, closer to the old kino. However, I was in the club only 2 days with her and she might easily be in other places. Has a tatto with the name Denis on hand as I recall,

You sure that the was not a P? LOL.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Kosher.

Are you saying north Texas has no liberal arts degree young women who find that a Ph.

I am going more off looks, not debating the feasibility of such clubs in the USA although I will not hold my breath, likewise for recreational in TX (maybe in 5-7 years) TX has some beautiful women but any tute here who is ' worth it' gets out of here for Denver, LA, AZ especially, ATL, Florida etc. Or they are on the ' underground travel circuit' where guys use word of mouth and private memberships to access them. Many are pimped and from Europe and getting $500-$1000 an hour. They can make double if not triple or more than here. Our ' civilians' are hot or can be but they have sugar daddies who give them money not loverboys who they give money too.

I hope your theories are correct, and it would happen here but how to get legalized or regulated prostitution thru the deep red states going to be tough! TX is rich with natural resources, same reason we aren't pressured to legalize weed is a reason we wouldn't need sex clubs to tax. All my opinions of course. I do think if it did happen much of the talent would be coming from 'rural Nebraska' or broke coal mine cities in ' Trump Country' etc. I think I read sometime in 2016 on the Spanish forums that they tried an FKK on the CDS somewhere in a very wealthy part loaded up with ex-pats, tourists etc and for whatever reason it failed. I would argue if they can't make it work in Spain it wouldn't work here.

However, I hope I am entirely wrong and that you open FKK Austinbach and make me a guest of honor, free couch time mandatory for all Travis County taxpayers!

I look at the board for Montreal often and wish that system was in place here w those hot girls they have, maybe would work better in Canada?

In meantime I will stick to commuting to Germany and hopefully toss Spain back in as I hate this conservative bucket of shit I live in!